The correct placement of an arret is of crucial importance for the proper funcion of couching a lance. Therefore we'll shortly explore the reasoning behind most XIVth and XVth century arrets, cuirasses and their interaction.
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@hartmutwrith31343 жыл бұрын
Thank you Arne. Exact in time for me as Christian is just right now fitting an arret to my breastplate.
@airnt3 жыл бұрын
soon we should be able to plax with it. Hope you are in good health and having fun
@Velkan13963 жыл бұрын
Nice, another video! This is very helpful Arne, thanks.
@longbowmen23 жыл бұрын
In tournaments of the 16th, lances strike from down to up, so lower place of lance rest on cuirass made for reason. Looks on jousting frog-mouth helms of 16th, they all have big visor slit, but with strike from down up its cant hurt much.
@airnt3 жыл бұрын
well the frogmouth predates the Rasthaken by about 100 years, so the helmets that they wear have the same design, assuming the same angle of impact. secondly the hits we get on our frogmouth helmets are routinely above the arrêt too, yet they hit in various angles. the lances can bend quite a lot under impact, so they can reach more behind things than people think. so basically , no, that is not the reason. There is a lot of misconceptions about frogmouths, like that you would somehow close the vision slit by tilting it up... this is not only physically practically impossible as it is attached to your shoulders, it is also actively advised against by period sources saying you should keep your eye on the target and not even blink
@am17frans3 жыл бұрын
In the final part it is mentioned that the couch should sit slightly above the the target and that is good pratice in jousting. Is it the same with a war lance? And is trying to hit someone on foot a consideration in the placement of the lance rest? Seems like it could be quite awkward to hit a low target.
@airnt3 жыл бұрын
good question, i think it is I can hit ground targets quite comfortably with my arrêt, long lances help quite a bit with this, though, as the angle is not that pronounced.
@dt5343 жыл бұрын
At 1:35, what do you mean by defining point of the arret?
@airnt3 жыл бұрын
the depth is where the lance rests, so the tip is potentially even poking up higher than the lance itself
@dt5343 жыл бұрын
@@airnt okay, thank you very much Arne!
@Intranetusa3 жыл бұрын
Do we know what the rider would feel under the breastplate during the point of impact? Would the shock/impact of the lance still hurt the rider or would he not feel anything?
@airnt3 жыл бұрын
generally you feel very little. we joust with historical solid lances, so we know what jousntign impacts were like. Having said that, we have ripped off several arrêts doing so. also the breastplate will push as a whole to the rider, so somtimes it is impressive. The rider might be acellerated, with his/her whole torso. The actual shock of impact is mostly felt in the harmonics of the lance, a bit like a shot with a crossbow. if you hit that hard without and arrêt and graper, you run the risk of breaking thumbs and wrists. I jousted a lot without them and broke my wrist and hand 15 times at the Royal Armouries alone. the graper (also arrêt de lance) and arrêt the curass combo really is quite important for my poor wrists, and it really helps, it is quite comfortable.
@Intranetusa3 жыл бұрын
@@airnt Thanks for the information!
@dakaodo2 жыл бұрын
@@airnt 15 times! o.O I've known for years that you dedicated quite some effort into your pursuit, but that is a pretty high personal price to pay. I can only imagine the mental challenge in literally getting back in the saddle after the 2nd break. I had been told that some armor parts (such as the riveted metal lattice on a grandgard, for one of Robert MacPherson's harnesses, something I heard a decade ago) could be ripped off on impact. How did you eventually resolve this with your arrets? Wider base plate for more surface area contact on the breastplate, significantly stouter pin, subtle angle/shape change of the arret itself?
@airnt2 жыл бұрын
@@dakaodo the 15 breaks happend quite close together and due to my employer deliberately forbidding the use of an arrêt de curass. Frankly it wasn't that painful, and i only really noticed when it was x-rayed and mutiple braks were shown to be in multiple phases of healing, according to the radiolgist.