Which Glue When? [video 542]

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10 ай бұрын

A little later than scheduled, in this one I take a look at some of the more regularly used #glue and #adhesive in and out of the the #workshop. Enjoy!
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@JiggsysShed 2 ай бұрын

Great video, very useful advice. I like the idea of PVA with CA idea.

@johnhargreaves3620 10 ай бұрын

As a n industrial chemist for sometime working as a formulator and tester for an industrial coatings and adhesive manufacturer I would like to make a small point. An adhesive that can be used in a water submerged environment is generally classed as a waterproof glue, those glues that are not design for being submerged but will be able to be used in a wet environment outside should be classed as water resistant glues. Some manufacturers sometimes spin their adhesives as being waterproof but are in effect water resistant. I use to formulate and operate with adhesives that were for seawater and other liquids more aggressive that water (solvents, acids etc.) so be a little careful about manufacturer's claims and if you can obtain a data sheet on which the manufacturer is legally obliged to show the operational characteristics of there product and how exactly they can be used these characteristics are backed up with test data if it is from a reputable and responsible manufacturer. Regards

@1234GOPRO 10 ай бұрын

I really like when industry professionals give their opinions and or explanations/ experiences. It’s more tool in the toolbox!

@Dickie2702 10 ай бұрын

What he is trying to tell you is Titebond III is not waterproof, no matter what or how many times they tell you.

@dougsaunders8109 10 ай бұрын

Ever build make a claimed D4 waterproof glue which is good value. My question to a person in the know, is D4 classification better than claimed ‘waterproof’

@Dickie2702 10 ай бұрын

@@dougsaunders8109 Excellent alternative to Titebond III. Personally I wouldn't trust any adhesive to be waterproof other than epoxy, I do use Cascamite on exterior projects and it's a forgotten hero, much beloved still in dome shops. Word of caution on Everbuild D4, when you buy it check the date of manufacture on the top of the bottle. Small black stamp. It only has a shelf life of six months.

@DKWalser 10 ай бұрын

PU's advantage is that it is waterproof. It is also good for gluing disparate materials, such as metal to wood. Since Titebond III has come out, I use it rather than PU glue. It's much less mess. For disparate materials, I use epoxy or hot melt glue. PU has a reputation for being gap filling. However, it really isn't. Yes, the glue foams and the foam will fill small gaps. But, the foam does not have much strength. So, while the gap may have been filled, the joint won't have much strength. That's NOT what we mean by gap filling. Epoxy is probably the best choice for gap filling.

@tc9148 10 ай бұрын

Great review of glues.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@georgedeaney7270 10 ай бұрын

Couple of strips of 2" or whatever masking tape to mix epoxy filler or adhesive. Remove and bin when finished.

@gav2759 10 ай бұрын

Yes I agree with all that. Things change for those of us with unheated workshops when the weather turns colder. PVA and particularly Titebond need a bit of warmth, but PU doesn't mind the winter, so can be handy.

@toremgedal7874 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for another good workshop video! Just wanted to add the must know tip when using hot glue stick. Removed easily with rubbing alcohol.

@abbasshabani8307 10 ай бұрын

Thanks. useful and short video without wasting our time. thanks again

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Not for nothin’ is it called 10 Minute Workshop. 👍 And thanks!

@caskwith 10 ай бұрын

Everbuild 502 has been my go to, it's not a particularly fast drying glue but that works for me, takes the pressure off. Cheap too.

@BenMitro 10 ай бұрын

Thanks...the examples of where each is used, the drawbacks and advantages is very helpful.

@ian111angus 10 ай бұрын

"Glue you choose to use" - great line!

@tonysutton6559 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for another informative video. If you are using epoxy you must remember to paint it (or use a suitable varnish) if it is going to be exposed to sunlight as it doesn't like UV rays.

@Relyfew 10 ай бұрын

depending on the brand, some epoxies are uv-resistant, so that they ok with direct sunlight

@ALF001Channel 10 ай бұрын

Good information, thanks for keeping it short and to the point.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks! And not for nothin’ is it called 10Minute Workshop👍😂

@paulgarriock3898 10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this video, extremely informative and helpful!

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you found it helpful! 👍

@dwp2659 10 ай бұрын

packed a lot of great info - well done!

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@PaulBakewell 10 ай бұрын

Totally agree with your choice, except for I’ve never used Titebond so I’ve ordered some from Amazon. I do find gorilla glue PVA very good. Great video, thanks Peter.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@54mgtf22 10 ай бұрын

Hi Peter. Love your work 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@MCsCreations 10 ай бұрын

Thanks a bunch for all the tips, Peter! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks, you too! 👍

@Wattsjoinerybarn 10 ай бұрын

Great video Peter. I also don’t normally like CA glue as it’s far to brittle! but will try that 03 stuff on your recommendation. Thanks for sharing ❤

@davidsneddon2242 10 ай бұрын

First class as always Peter and oh so useful to the newbie or the pro as a ready reckoner, excellent.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks David! 👍

@StrawbyteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Heating the surfaces to be bonded with hot glue to extend the open time - great tip!

@kennethnielsen3864 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@NPOAfterMidnight-ft9zj 10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this. As a noob woodworker, I am soaking this info up and doing my best to learn. Will hopefully, be able to start posting some vids of my learning process.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks! Let me know when you get some vids up, I’ll subscribe! 👍👍

@andyc972 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Peter, a great overview I must try some of the thicker CA glue, but the tip on suing the thin CA as a hardener is a handy tip ! Have you had any problem with the PU glue drying in the bottle, I had one of the original Gorilla glues many years ago and I only got to use about 1/3 bottle as the rest went hard before I got to use it, it's always put me off buying more ? Like you I use a bog standard PVA for most things and use Tightbond II or III where needed !

@testingtimes7924 10 ай бұрын

Some great experience passed on there. Thanks.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@JimE6243 10 ай бұрын

That was a surprise Peter. I thought you had forgotten about Titebond III. But it did make the list but on the bottom. On this side of the pond it seems like it is the number one glue for woodworkers. Always enjoy your content. JimE

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Jim! I think they have good marketing! 😂 👍

@garyblake3130 10 ай бұрын

Back when I was manufacturing as opposed teaching I tried lots of the PU glues but found the one from Adkwik (Timbond) the best. I liked the one in the tube and applied using the frame gun, it didn't overly expand out and dried to a harder finish. Always went for the 5 minute one because every job was wanted yesterday, not sure I could have kept up to the same production run 30 years ago with the limited adhesives available then.

@silentscribes 10 ай бұрын

Great info thank you.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@wearsjorge55 10 ай бұрын

Ive always thought of the glue guns and wax guns. Made more sense to explain it that way

@Thesidingsworkshop 10 ай бұрын

Good reference video mate

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Cheers Dan! 👍

@ianpearse4480 10 ай бұрын

Cheers for the share.

@papadopoulosantonis55 9 ай бұрын

Hello from Greece. Huge fan here! I am not a carpenter,but more like a jack of all trades. Anyway, something i would like to mention. Polyethylene glue has one more BIG advantage IMHO. It's not orientation -based. And its strength is barely changing , regardless if you use it against or with the grains. I saw it on an other KZfaqr ,whom i can't recall,to pay him the respects, but i have tested myself also .

@AdamFahn 10 ай бұрын

If I wasn't already subscribed I'd definitely stick around for more 😂

@paulmatthews8708 10 ай бұрын

Enjoyed that. I recently made some cupboard doors and managed to glue them to my workbench during clamping. A video on how to avoid this would be most welcome. 😅

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

😂 I've done that myself!

@cncshrops 10 ай бұрын

Clingfilm, polythene sheet, and parcel tape stuck to bench are my tricks. Same with clamping pads for use with g and f-clamps.

@gingerelvis 10 ай бұрын

A possibly odd addition to this for your demographic but something like Rawlplug R-KEM can be very handy when needing to secure things into "soft" walls. I used it to fix a stud bolt into a dusty lime and stone wall with lime plaster to secure a half newl post and was very impressed!

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks! I usually use 2-pack resin filler for that, or epoxy putty if there's time. 👍

@papadopoulosantonis55 9 ай бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop something else. Some kind of epoxy putty have the tentacy to change color , especially under sun,in some materials e.g. marbles. I know that ,its not aligned with the content of your channel but it can ruin a workpiece

@warrensmith2902 10 ай бұрын

Well done. l also keep in my shop an old pie tin plasitc/aluminum/paper dosen't matter for doing epoxy mixing for my smaller projects.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Great idea, thanks! 👍

@projectrebuild908 10 ай бұрын

Great informative video. I bet this will spark some fascinating conversations here in the comments.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

I hope so! 👍

@ptkins 10 ай бұрын

Excellent timing on the subscribe bell :D

@gingerelvis 10 ай бұрын

I'm so glad to hear you say PVA wood glue brands don't matter so much, I'm fed up with people pledging allegiance to Titebond, I've used the cheapo Everbuild stuff forever and it's always stronger than the wood indoors or out. The Lumberjack PU glue is fantastic for the right applications (gapy and not seen / construction) but Gorilla Glue's marketing has given people weird ideas that it can be used for anything. I picked up a second hand fridge freezer the other day and the previous owner used it to glue a drawer front back on 🤔 (obviously it had failed again).

@alfanazzamcraft 10 ай бұрын

The equipment and materials are all very high quality, British people are smart, friendly greetings from Indonesia ❤❤❤

@dougsaunders8109 10 ай бұрын

Timely video Peter, I have used all the glues in your video. Titebond III has one advantage for me the bottle it comes in is great for application! The Everbuild D4 PVA is another good choice to the Polyvine. Polyvine also make some really nice to use water based varnish Last night I was in my empire of dust removing hide glue from a cabinet which I broke, 😐, with an old steam iron and a scraper. Interesting and somewhat sticky experience. Think hot glue but with steam!

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Doug! And yes, the nozzle is very nice in the everbuild bottles, and if I ever get around to finishing it the bottle will be a keeper for sure! Only ever tried Everbuild D4 once after a recommendation, bought 3 bottles and they all stank of bad eggs - obviously gone off. Retailer refused to exchange them, I complained to everbuild about it but never heard back. 🤷‍♂️👍

@dougsaunders8109 10 ай бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop it is amazing how a poor experience on first purchase can put you off with poor customer service. A simple sorry to hear that and you could be singing the praises

@maxbee4460 10 ай бұрын

I always used Evostik waterproof pva, actually still do, but tried Titebond because of KZfaqrs from the US. It has no advantage I could see, but disadvantage was it dries a orange brown colour. This is made worse when you wipe it with a damp cloth, as it spreads a film of glue you don’t see until dried. PVA dries clear as we know so I stick with that. I used Gorilla once because it expands which I wanted for a loose joint that couldn’t be taken apart. It worked well but what was left in the bottle, which was most of it went off in the bottle. So not be using that either. Cheers, thanks for your videos.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Evostick Resin W in the blue bottle! Used that for for years, early on. 👍👍👌

@Swwils 9 ай бұрын

You are meant to squeeze all the air out of PU glue bottles once you are done that session. Otherwise the whole thing will set.

@dannyboy9817 10 ай бұрын

Great video Peter. My own experience with the PU adhesive is that despite the manufacturer (in my case "Gorilla") recommending that the mating surface is moistened slightly due to the glue curing due to the presence of moisture, it really isn't necessary. Unless you are using it in the middle of the desert in high sun, there is enough moisture in the wood and surrounding air to cure the glue perfectly well. I've found that adding moisture just causes excessive foaming, increases setting time to solid state and produces a weaker final bond. Using the glue alone works better in my opinion and sets harder. This is noticeable when trimming off cured adhesive that has foamed out of the joint with a chisel. Much tougher and harder than when moistening the mating surface has been done. Also one needs to be restrained when applying this glue. Less is more in my experience unless you want a foam monster to clean up afterwards. Also the foaming effect is quite powerful and will push components apart as the glue expands during curing, so restraint (clamps or screws etc) are essential. Not a massive fan of this glue in the main but does have benefits in certain situations.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks - and great points re PU! 👍👍

@PICAREIMON 10 ай бұрын

Hello Peter, how are you 😎🙋‍♂️

@Mikey__R 10 ай бұрын

I used polyurethane to glue carbon rods into channels routed into a guitar neck blank. I got a surprise when the glue foamed up, expanded, and pushed out the rods. It was a tight friction fit, but I had to scramble to put on clamps to push the rods back in before the glue set up. I did hear that if PU is allowed to foam, it loses all strength. I suppose it would be like sticking your furniture together with insulation foam, you don't expect that stuff to be structural.

@bjarneh-im1uw 10 ай бұрын

The expansion of PU glue is the result of reaktion with moisture in the materials. If you need it to expand a lot to fill a gap then damp the surfaces before gluing.

@Mikey__R 10 ай бұрын

@@bjarneh-im1uw filling a gap with expanding foam won't add any strength to a joint. You're better off shimming it with a wedge or something structural; or using epoxy which can fill gaps at full strength.

@AdrianWalker247 10 ай бұрын

CA was not designed to be used with wood, but it can be useful for an instant grab.

@ChrisFranklyn 10 ай бұрын

For PVA I use either Titebond or Gorilla's PVA. I'm probably throwing money at the brand names, but I know I can send off a guitar and know it'll hold. Titebond tends to dry browner, Gorilla's PVA clear or black. So I'll gauge which depending on the wood species to minimise visibility. I'm 100% sure cheaper glues will work, I just can't bring myself to do it!

@Mikey__R 10 ай бұрын

I use Titebond on my guitars as well. On an instrument where the timber, hardware and electronics might run in the hundreds, a few pounds spent on a dependable adhesive is cheap insurance.

@Dickie2702 10 ай бұрын

Just do a few dimple tests. Assuming your joinery is sound most glues will be way stronger than the wood. Your project your call but you have just been skewered by the advertising hype. I've been in the woodworking trade for 55years and trust me I still have stuff around my Workshop that is half a century old and still held together with good old no brand PVA.

@davidcowperthwaite1159 10 ай бұрын

Do you vary the glue type to match the type of wood, ie. hardwood, vs softwood vs oily tropical wood vs MDF vs plywood? Or is PVA still the overall most common choice? Thanks.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

PVA has stuck everything I've ever used it on tbh, so I don't think you need to over-analyse it. 👍

@piersa3888 10 ай бұрын

When gluing some joinery together with normal PVA glue, how much force/pressure should you use? Is more force better than less force in general?

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

I generally nip the joint up so there a little bit of glue squeezed out of it, but I don’t think you can over-clamp a joint tbh. 👍

@kempshott 10 ай бұрын

For DIYers the shelf-life of a half-empty bottle is significant. One reason I don't like PU - it doesn't keep well once opened.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

That 5-litre bottle I showed is about 4 years old and works fine. 🤷‍♂️👍

@gingerelvis 10 ай бұрын

It's fine as long as you can keep a good seal on the bottle and moisture out (being moisture activated). I had a big bottle of it to build fit new handrails, base rails, spindles etc in my house and it lasted a good couple of years after until it got a too much moisture on a silly little job and I ended up with a foamy volcano 😂 I think next time I'd be temped to go with a tube to keep the air out.

@mikiex 4 ай бұрын

@@gingerelvisI always put the cap on, tape the cap and put the whole thing in a plastic bag, also very important to keep it in a dry environment.

@matthewalbum 10 ай бұрын

Are there other food safe glues other than titebond 3?

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

I believe there are some kind of fish-based glues, but titebond 3 is the most readily available as far as I know. 👍

@marc_73 9 ай бұрын

I do not know if you went over this already (I could not find it). The question is, can you glue over a painted surface? I am building a carcass that has a very narrow interior shelf opening and I realized that I need to paint before assembling (glue + dowels). Of course I am paralyzed by the crossroad ahead.....

@10MinuteWorkshop 9 ай бұрын

I’ve always done so, but I scuff up the surface of the paint where the two parts butt together. I’ve made thousands of cabinets this way without any issues. 👍

@Mistah_john 10 ай бұрын

How long does your CA stay good once opened?

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Still using the O3 one I was given a couple of years ago. 👍

@charlescp1558 10 ай бұрын

Hi Peter, is .email a paying subscription only? Charles

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

No, not at all! The newsletter is a free signup, and there’s a free tier to the member site as well. More details at 10minuteworkshop.com 👍

@charlescp1558 10 ай бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop thank you Peter, I’ve signed up. Charles

@aru05001 10 ай бұрын

Thougths about Hide Glue?

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Never used it, but as I say in the vid there’s definitely a place for those other glues, especially in more traditional or restoration work. 👍

@mikeking7470 10 ай бұрын

Going to skip this one, Peter. Many of the brands you are recommending are not available in the USA. Here we have PVA from Elmer's, Titebond, and Gorilla. Urethane glue from Gorilla and Titebond. And Epoxy from Elmers, Loc-Tite, and JB Weld. And, of course CA glues.