Which inline skate frame is faster!? 4x90mm or 3x110mm?
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Күн бұрынHello, bladers!
Today I will be testing out if 4x90mm Powerslide Ego Sl machined prototype frame is faster or slower than the Powerslide Elite 3x110mm frame.
Both frames are running Wicked ILQ9 classic bearings.
4x90: Rollerblade Hyodrogen 90mm wheels 85A.
3x110: Powerslide Spinner 110mm wheels 88A.
Mounted on the Powerslide Next Arctic Grey skates.
Let me know if you have other comparisons in mind :) Thank you, Finger Nagel, for the idea for this video!
It is one of our longest videos, therefore the timeline:
00:00 - 01:05 Intro riding with music
01:06 - 04:48 Talking about the frames and the tests
04:49 - 05:33 First impression 3x110mm
05:34 - 08:07 First speed test 3x110mm
08:08 - 09:35 Second rolling test 3x110mm
09:36 - 10:41 First impressions 4x90mm
10:42 - 13:08 First speed test 4x90mm
13:09 - 14:26 Second rolling test 4x90mm
14:27 - 15:12 Initial conclusions after the tests
15:13 - 15:40 a bit of free skating
15:41 - 16:14 Results, conclusions
16:15 - 16:18 weight comparison
16:20 - end Outro and Thank you for watching!
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@me4814 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Helped make my mind up on 4x90. Very excited to try these skates
@VandKoala 2 жыл бұрын
Have fun mate! :)
@RideTheTrack 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, really loved it!
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Sandu that is nice to hear mate, thank you for your comment!
@freshasadaisy4782 4 жыл бұрын
You delivered as promised and you didnt disapoint at all. Great job, thank you. My decision to replace the 3x110 with a 4x90 setup got much easier after that. Of course the differences are minor but the slightly better roll with four wheels on the ground comes with the 20mm lower stand which is impressiv. In addition to that i guess you could expect less wear of wheel substance and therefore less wheel rotation is needed. Now if you think about it that an average fitness skater already used 90mm setups before Powerslide created the Triskate trend with promises like better roll, speed and less effort the whole marketing shines through and gets exposed in a way. Of course that doesnt count for the evolution of speed skate setups to 3x125mm. And keep in mind the Triskate trend led to much higher prices for a pair of skates. Crazy. To me the big advantage is the Trinity system because 90mm setups on the 165mm mounting were much higher, for example the Powerslide Imperial Cruiser 4x90mm black/yellow. Hope the video gets a lot of attention.
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Finger Nagel thank you mate! Notice that 110mm wheels are 88A and Hydrogens only 84A! That is a big difference :) Glad you found the video useful!
@MrPowerlyte 3 жыл бұрын
This was a nice honest review. I'll try the different sizes (80mm to 110mm) as well, see which one feels better then make a choice. It is good to see the product in action especially when you're thinking about going up in wheel size.
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. The best way is of course to try for yourself. Everyone will have a different taste depending on how they skate and what is the goal :)
@thiagor.3080 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this test! From Brazil! 👍
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Thiago R. Hey man, thanks for your comment! :)
@ChevyPPV14 Жыл бұрын
I just got a pair of 90mm. Havent arrived yet. This video got me pumped.
@bmw335hdk2 3 жыл бұрын
I think 19 - 21 km per hour is the ideal speed for most urban skaters. Your channel is quite informative ! I love it!
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment man! I think it is a decent speed that you can get on both frames :)
@ArthurPresta 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video!!
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Glad tou liked it mate, thanks for the comment!
@Erikjoelalexander 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like 90 is good for me aswell! Thanks for this test. Makes my choice easier!
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Erikjoelalexander hey, glad you found it useful! I love the 90s :)
@DannyBoy293 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video man 👍👍 I just bought some 3x110s for my new boot. Kind of regretting it now!! Haha However, I roll on really rough ground so maybe 3x110 will be better. This was my thinking. Cheers for the video man!
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks, bro! On the rough ground, they will work better and they will keep speed better on longer rides for sure. Do not take this vid too seriously :) people skate on all sorts of setups and the important part is to go and skate whatever the setup. Nothing is wrong with the 3x110 :)
@DannyBoy293 3 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala Niice one man! Im looking forward to them for sure, il get a much smoother ride... From what you've said there too, I skate because I love it but I skate to work and walk my dog skating. So I definitely need more comfort than the 4x80s! Keep them coming man, great video this one 👌
@SingaporeSkaterSam 3 жыл бұрын
I like 4x90 on a 273 frame too for urban - I use a US size 8 skate for 25 mondo feet (small feet). It’s a big change from 4x80, as you say mainly due to the longer frame length. I’ve also been skating 3x125 for nearly a year and have only recently improved on my 4x90 speeds, but there is certainly more to come on the 125s as you get stronger and technique improves. Felix R recently did his hour record and achieved 39.93km on 4x110. He commented that on 3x125 he would have gone 1.5km further in an hour (and he should know). So for me that settles the question of which setup is objectively faster in ideal arena conditions (3x125), but there are many situations where a 4x setup would be faster and they are preferred (over 3x) for some road races.
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
I think every setup has its use :) I tried going over many videos/photos of speed skating competitions and I only saw 3 wheel setups being used in marathons. Everything else, even 10k races are dominated by the 4 wheel setups (at least in 2019). I am no speed skater by any means. I am into urban setup and I think that 4x80 is great for small feet, 4x90 for bigger (or maybe even 4x80, but on a 273mm frame). All the 3x110 and 3x125 are better for recreational or looooong distance skating :)
@shadostorm8375 2 жыл бұрын
I switched to a 4x90 after playing with 3x110 and 4x80 setup. Thx for these tips too.
@VandKoala 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoy the ride mate!
@Will-tm5bj 7 ай бұрын
What do you think of the 4x90 vs the others now?
@InlineStruggle 4 жыл бұрын
😁 Great video! 😎 Thanks!
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Thanking you mate!
@ajsady 3 жыл бұрын
Thx for ur effort
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you man for the support!
@exar8355 Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for the vide
@chicodisco2612 3 жыл бұрын
I think is that you are used to the smaller wheels and that is why your stride is slower with the big wheels, it was noticed in the video. You have to skate more on the big wheels so that you have the same speed in your stride and your longest travel on the big wheels.
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it is so. By today I have been out on both setups for many days to try them out (110 replaced with hydrogen wheels as well) and I do not see any benefits of the short frame with the tall wheels :) Balance is harder on tricks, riding down the stairs is sketchy, doing stalls in the skatepark is weird as there is no gap in the middle, speed benefit is not noticeable and short frame is not great at bigger speeds either, there is less grip to the surface, landing gaps is both harder due to being taller and "bumpier" due to the weight distribution... I guess I will not fall in love with the 3 wheel setups :D
@vcoolbgt 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid! I mostly roll with 110mm and sometime its tiring to stop and go. Im looking for smaller wheel base, but 4x80 is not very nice with rough asphalt, now i'm considering to give 4x90mm a try 👍
@VandKoala 2 жыл бұрын
110 will roll better on a crappy surface for sure, but for me thet just feel too big :)
@shadostorm8375 2 жыл бұрын
I had a 110 n 125, switched to a 4x80 n it is really bad on rough but its very easy to handle. Just tried 4x90 today. They are better than a 3x110 or 4x80. All are powerslide frames.
@vcoolbgt 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the replies, Finally i got myself a pair of endless 100 frame 🙈 Its fun to roll, fast and nimble. But its little bit heavier, I guess it take sometime to adapt. Will try to get the 4x90, perhaps just poweslide frames.. endless is too expensive due to tax and shipping 💸
@BalaHormiga 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I have enjoyed the trinity 4 x 90 frame since about April. I prefer it over the 3 x 110 243 mm frame. However, you should try the 255 mm 3 x 125 frame with 110 mm wheels. You gain additional stability and a stronger push. I still prefer the 4 x 90 but the 255 mm frame with 110 mm wheels is excellent for an alternative cruise!
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Bala Hormiga thanks mate, one day I will give it a go. Now I am more up for trying 4x80 on the 273mm frame. I have developed a wrong stride on my left leg and it results in the muscle pain at my inner knee side. I am working on correcting it and I can tell that smaller wheels give a lot of stability :) When I will fix the issue I might try the 125 frame. Thanks for the idea!
@Alex-kr7zr 3 жыл бұрын
There is a lot of bro science going on here. The bearings, the wheels and most importantly the wind will make quite a difference. A fairer comparison would be to use the exact same wheels on the 3x frame for example, or at least to use the same brand, exact same bearing, both unused, lubrication alsl will make a huge difference for the rolling test.
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
There is a lot of science but it does bot change what I feel when I skate one or another setup :)
@rudybalboaz Жыл бұрын
I prefer a lack of stability - skating 4 X 90 feels like rails. A(230mm) short 110 is way more reactive. Takes more to get going on 110s IMO though. Top speed when rolling goes to the 110s ( I skate with two FRs 3x110 and 4x90)
@sylvi561 4 жыл бұрын
omg :o these roads are smooth! sweet Jesus! where is that? so many places to roll on! I skate in Edinburgh and Glasgow... u can imagine... :D after every ride I am glad that I still have my teeth on :D
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
S hahaha 😂 we have visited Edinburgh a couple of years ago, it was indeed different :D This is Denmark, where many people commute on bicycles daily. Bike paths everywhere, completely everywhere :)
@ThirtyandRollin 4 жыл бұрын
Man now I want a 4x90 setup!
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Thirty and Rollin it is really great setup! :)
@thereal.tenere8793 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I have big size 47-48 size skates. I have 3x110mm frames with 255mm spacing (Kizer Trimax) they roll is very nice but the hard carves can be twitchy at times. They are also less stable for jumping than a lower frame. Some 3x110mm frames have longer spacing. The problem with short frames for me is the position of the back wheel is forward of my heel pivot point. Websites never show the skate with larger size boot, always size 41. For many people they will feel more stable if the back wheel pivot point is at the back of the heel or further back. I also have antother skate with 4x80mm 275mm which is long and very stable but not too long to turn fast. Many 4x80mm frames are 243mm which is short for size 47. I hope to try the 4x90mm setup. Thanks again.
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Teneré Skates you are right, the images are on 39-41 boots normally and then the frame lenght looks ok :) for you it must be a bit hard to find not only skates but shoes as well :)
@thereal.tenere8793 3 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala Yes many models are 46 max. I bought the FR3 skates in size 47 because everyone loves them but I was uncomfortable just standing in my home, had to return them.
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
@@thereal.tenere8793 Interesting. I can't become friends with my Powerslide Nexts. Of of the least comfortable skate I had in a while. I will give a try for the FR1s to see how they fit...
@thereal.tenere8793 3 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala You can buy a trinity adapter and use your 4x90 plates on UFS aggressive boots. www.skatepro.com/en-us/86-35703.htm
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Teneré Skates thanks for the link. I do not have raised heel UFS boots and adding another later of plastic between the frame and the boot makes me doubt a bit: is there still a point of a sturdy machined frame on adapter, soul, etc.? Will it still be responsive?
@Felip3rama 10 ай бұрын
Nice video, thanks a lot. It will help me decide If I should switch form 110 to 90. I fell I'm way to tall on 110s and the turns do not fell that smooth.
@rollingdubaiguy6415 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! So, the microphone is amazing if it was really windy! What kind is it and what 360 camera are you using?
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Rolling Dubai Guy! Thanks mate! The micraphone is just insanely unbelievable :O camera: Insta360 one R, Rode wireless go mic
@MarinetteMenominee 3 жыл бұрын
Spend time with your boy. He really loves you!!!!
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
I do spend time with both of my kids every single day :)
@ppolianidis1 3 жыл бұрын
In my case, for 80mm, hydrogen wheels made a pretty big difference in terms of speed and rolling ability comparing to my 88A wheels (not sure what exactly they were, could be spinners). Now I am also rolling on 110mm hydrogen wheels mounted on my HC evo's and they are very fast! I don't have a 4x90mm setup to compare them with though :)
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
I have a set of 110 hydrogens as well. They are as good as the 90 (I just keep cracking their axles when doing jumps, so they are not that great for more aggressive freeskate 🙄). 80 and 110 have the same frame lenght, I should be comparing 90 to 125, but to be honest I am considering to get some 80 wheels and just put them on the 273mm frame. For my style of riding anything above 90 are too large :)
@FabiusPyromanus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the video and test. But I think it was slightly unfair for the three wheels. You used: better frame (machined - vs. casted aluminium), better wheels (hydrogen vs. something basic) longer wheel base which is better for speed. And what bearings was used?
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Hi mate. Common, it is not a scientific experiment of course :) Even if the 3 wheel setup was a bit faster I would still prefer the 4 wheels as I like the gap between the wheels in the middle for stalls on coping/curbs. And with my EU44 foot, I love a bit longer base. Both bearings were the same. Either abec 9 or wicked ilq 9 classic, can't remember now. But the same manufacturer for both sets. Hydrogen wheels were 84A VS powerslide 88A, they should have been slower as they are way softer. It also feels on slides/grip a lot. I can't comment on machined vs casted frames - I have no idea how much difference would I feel as a (below?) average skater :)
@EneRec 3 жыл бұрын
I have both setups with hydrogen wheels and same twincam 9. I got better results with my 3 wheel setup. I think it's because I'm more used to 3x110, and as I saw in the video your stride is way different in 3x110 than 4x90. Maybe it's that. I hope this video won't change your mind, because it depends on your preference of wheel size
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Most definitely it is the frame length. If we would compare 243mm frames the 4x80 would be slower on longer distances. For my 44 eu they seem too short frames. I have purchased hydrogen 110mm wheels and now they are sitting on the shelve with the 110 frames after couple of sessions - not my cup of tea :) I prefer 4 wheels as there is a gap in the middle for stalls, they provide better grip with 4 points of contact, they can be rockered in a more stable setup than 3, they absorb impact better when landing drops and jumps, they are less likely to catch a stair when you ride down and they provide overall lower centre of gravity that is beneficial for doing tricks. 110s are probably faster for long range “fitness” type sessions that I do not do that many :)
@KephaBandMusic 3 жыл бұрын
hello sir, can you send me a link where to buy the Powerslide Next 4x90s? It is absolutley obsolete and today is April 29, 2021 in the Philippines. i was lookin for the exact model of Black Next 4x90s and i cannot find them. pls help me
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Hi mate, I don’t have any special link :) you will have to just google. I buy my skates either from skatepro.dk, loco skates, inlinewarehouse or thisissoul :)
@garrettsmith8286 2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed! Looking at getting some Next in size 47. I see the 80mm frames will take 90mm wheels ant a 275mm frame length. I wish the Next 90's in white didn't have red all over them. Any recommendations? Should I get the all black 80's to start out and upgrade to 90's (wheels) or just start with the 90's in the white color?
@VandKoala 2 жыл бұрын
If the frame is 275mm - it is a “90” frame, 80mm frames are normally 243mm 🙄 Nexts are very, VERY narrow boots. Be sure they fit you before you order them. Can’t advice too much on colors - I am not the best stylist 😂 With a foot size 47, I would definitely want a frame at least 275mm long, wheel size matters less than the frame length to me
@garrettsmith8286 2 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala Thank you. I'd pay you to be my personal stylist but you better have better style than me! lol Your thoughts confirmed mine. I see Endless makes a frame that's about 290 and will take 90's or 100's. Like everything else I seem to do I may go the custom route but dang those prices. People with normal size feet don't know how great they've got it! 😂
@garrettsmith8286 2 жыл бұрын
I'm asking also because I have no where here in the US where I can try on anything. I'm ordering blind online and most places are in Europe so not worth sending back. 😑
@ashfrost2050 3 ай бұрын
I like both setups and have both frame configurations for my Powerslide Next skates, but the pavements and paths are not always that smooth where I live in the UK and I find the 110mm wheels do soak up the rough ground better.
@tornadoofthoughts 3 жыл бұрын
Did you think about testing the Endless 84/100 or 90/110? I'm between 4x84, 4x90 and 3x110 for freeskate and I'd like to hear your opinion
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
I am over the 3 wheel skates. I think 3 wheels are the best for very long distance skating. 4x84 could be fun. Even 4x80, but on a 273mm frame should be fun as well :) I would love to try the endless frames, but I can’t afford more frames at the moment :)
@sandgale Жыл бұрын
Could you compare these to 4x100??
@moopylicious9426 3 жыл бұрын
Just the video I was looking for! My 4x80mm setup is starting to feel too slow and twitchy now. but I couldn't decide between 4x90 or 3x110... after watching this video I'll go for the Powerslide Next 90 in White I think. All the benefits of a bigger frame and wheel, and because its a trinity mount you keep the same ride height as the 4x80 setup. Nice video!
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! I do not think you will see too big of a difference from 80 to 90 in terms of how the wheels roll. But you will notice the longer frame for sure. And if you go with total flat with new wheels at the beginning it will look like a long frame :) But you will get used to it very quickly I believe. Whatever you decide to go with, would be cool to hear how did it feel when you switched :)
@moopylicious9426 3 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala I got my new pair of skates and I can definitely notice the longer frame length! The bigger wheels and trinity mount frame make them a lot smoother on rough surfaces aswell, I noticed that straight away! The trouble is, I like the control of the 4x80 but also like the stability of the 4x90... I have a feeling that 4x84mm will be the perfect setup for me. Maybe next year I'll buy a frame and wheel set and try a 4x84mm setup. Then stick with the one I like the most.
@eastclintwood7153 3 жыл бұрын
@@moopylicious9426 4x84 turn into 4x80 in a short time.
@moopylicious9426 3 жыл бұрын
@@eastclintwood7153 thanks, I'll just keep my 80 setup for skating around my home town then and use my 90's on longer skates. Appreciate it!
@malinoafull 3 жыл бұрын
So I’ll choose 3x110, because 39-40 EU size and long distance ride on the rough road. 👍🏻😁 Are they comfy enough? I really like those colors. 😍
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
It might be a really great choice. My wife loves 3x110 for EU39 boot :) I can’t ride Nexts. Very narrow, uncomfortable for me. I never considered myself as “wide-feet”, but these are too narrow :/
@malinoafull 3 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala Maybe mine are too... 10cm
@Ajven75 3 жыл бұрын
Did you use the same bearings? Wheel compound can make a role as well. I felt immediate difference between 4x80 hydrogen on ILQ9 vs 4x80 RB urban wheels and SG9 bearings. I would love to see comparison with 4x100 on endless frames or 3x 125 :)
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Bearings were the same, and if the wheel compound can make a difference it will not be super huge :) I would love to try endless frames, but I am not buying another frame for now :) I will bankrupt :D
@pangitster 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, a 4x100mm Endless Frame and the 3x125mm comparison would be another great video.
@ericbernardi8116 3 жыл бұрын
Certainly agree you get a better push and more stability from a longer 90 than a short 110... I think the fun of 3 wheel setups is that you get speed and maneuverablity in one... What bearings do you use by the way? Hope you'll get to 1k subs soon (/^_^)/♥♥♥
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Eric Bernardi thanks for your support mate 🙌 I use wicked ilq9 classics bearings in these skates. Overall I use those or just bones reds everywhere :) I want to try riding 80mm wheels on 90 frames. I do not feel I need to go “higher” from the ground yet
@VickGaza 3 жыл бұрын
So in that case for a eu42 size it`s better to stick to 4x80 instead of 4x90 ? And only go 4x90 on higher numbers like 43 44 45 ?
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
It depends where and how you ride a lot. For more maneuvrable/agile city skating with jumps, small tricks wtc I would stick to 80. For long range fitness training probably just go 110. I think 4x80 and 3x110 are good setups, they feel great on smaller feet. My wife loves 3x110 for long range chill skating EU39
@VickGaza 3 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala thank you for that! I have a 72mm aggro pair so I might go with 3 x 100 next thanks again
@Catend Жыл бұрын
Maybe you just like a longer, more stable frame. To be fair, you should try to do the test with a 3x110 with a similar frame length to reduce other variables as much as possible.
@JazzieJai 4 жыл бұрын
Just bought a pair of PS next navy 125s but installed 110s on the frame... first lesson today. A bit nervous!
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Jazzie Jai you starting to learn skating on 110? :O these are big wheels, but nothing is impossible :)
@JazzieJai 4 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala I'm not totally a RB virgin... I did own a pair about 15yrs ago in college. Those were horrible factory skates from some random store but they taught me the basics. I did go from 4wheels to 3 and a brake to NO BRAKE. So im trying to focus on learning to STOP before I go anywhere. Ive just been in parking lots and skate parks. :)
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Jazzie Jai hahah It sounds like you are having fun, and that is the key priority when skating :)
@JazzieJai 4 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala its all and games until you FALL... lol
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Jazzie Jai just get some pads + helmet and you will be just fine :)
@dominicrekittke3352 Жыл бұрын
3x110mm Trinity frame in 270mm coming March ‘23 for the aftermarket…
@BAPOENAM 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing....,, namaste from indonesia
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you man! glad you liked it!
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
it is amazing to see that people blade all over the world!
@maroesjadejong4204 3 жыл бұрын
I currently have 3x100mm came from 4x 84mm I personally prefer 3 wheel setups
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry for a really late reply :) I am super happy that there are setups for everyone. My wife loves 3x110 as well, probably shorter frames feel same for shorter feet as longer frames for longer feet :) and 110 roll nicelly over things.
@udihu 4 жыл бұрын
Did you ever tried the Kizer Flux frame? If you can overcome the look of it, it id an ideal frame for your style of blading.
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the same! But many people say it is not really working for soul grinds anyways... Then this 4x90 looks much better than te flux :)
@udihu 4 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala sure that. When I bought my Flux the 4x90 was not out and actually I use it in a 3x100 setup for fitness skating (did use, but now I have a long speedframe with 3x125, different storry) The rockering is pretty fun though. That whole soul on the flux is a joke. Gives people the bad idea. I'm thinking to grind it of mine :)
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
@@udihu I thing they are great frames. And the world needs more 4x90 frames. I find natural rocker working for me well now, I change wheels 1-1 2-2 3-3 4-4 so natural "banana" develops. I also have OYSI frames on my aggressive setup and these rocker with different wheels. I tried 70/60 setup that gives like 2mm I think, and I found it a bit sketchy on landings :) But I will keep experimenting. There are interesting 80mm wheels that I will try to mount on my 90 frame and see how they work on slides :)
@TwistyTrav 4 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala Check out the new Powerslide NEXT 90 Black White... It was released today and it has the newest 4x90 Trinity Elite frame, similar to the style of your 3x110 frame. Very excited! I own the Next 90 Burgandy Grey with the Kizer Flux frame, but I just switched to a 3x90 Trinity Pro frame and I am enjoying it a lot, since I'm a beginner so speed is still not my best friend. The frame looks identical to your 4x90 frame, except it has rockerable axles.
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Travis Ross I saw the new frame, but material is listed as “nylon PA 66 plus glass-fiber” :) it will never be as sturdy as cnc machined aluminum, from alu block ;)
@timmai5903 3 жыл бұрын
How does the stick disappear? Is it photoshop afterwards? Where are you in Denmark?
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Tim Mai majority of all modern 360 cameras automatically “stitch-it-out” as long as you keep it aligned with the camera. I am using insta360 one R cam
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Oh and I am around Billund :)
@Bratox187 4 жыл бұрын
4x90mm all the way, i have size 47 eu so the 3 wheels skates frames are way to short but even the longer 3wheel frames dont do it for me. I just like the 4 wheel frames much more
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
I can imagine that with 47 boot you need longer frame, than let's say someone with 38 :)) And you might be right about 3/4 wheels. When my first and the last wheel wear on 3-wheel skates, the pivot point is in the middle on the one wheel. On 4 wheel frames it is more on the 3rd wheel. I like it more as well!
@eastclintwood7153 4 жыл бұрын
Nice Video bc it makes things clear when it comes to the Triskate trend which is a bit overhyped. But i was really surprised when you showed the the weight of both setups. How could that be possible? Even powerslide says in the specs of the new Next Black and White 4x90 a weight of 1850g compared to a Next 3x110 of 1750g, both in size 42. Of course all the weight of the boots is similar. Your 4x90 frame weights 109g less than the 3x110 setup although a 3x110 setup should be lighter according to the Powerslide marketing bc of one less wheel and two less bearings. That is really confusing. The Prototyp 4x90 frames you have must be really light.
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Scham Haar I do not know about the weight mate, probably different weight of the frames 🙄 powerslide shows theory, my scales - reality :D (hopefully) :) I think tri-skates are hyped, I am not sure if “overhyped”. I believe there are people who like them. And maybe 3x110 would show much better results if the road surface was total crap? Thanks for the comment mate!
@FabiusPyromanus 4 жыл бұрын
Machined frame vs. casted frame. Unfair comparison.
@Obsidian369 3 жыл бұрын
contact patch from wheels to ground is almost the same only a few mm difference...not a lot of diff at all like you are saying
@arielpuig7302 2 жыл бұрын
I just got those 90mm hydrogen wheels and 3 of them are crooked, they wable. Any thoughts on that?
@VandKoala 2 жыл бұрын
Send them back! I once got a set of hydrogens that after a month of skating had all the cores cracked. Sent the pictures back to the shop and they sent me a new set of wheels
@arielpuig7302 2 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala Thanks. I'll try that.
@bjholland8322 2 жыл бұрын
@@arielpuig7302 did it work out?
@arielpuig7302 2 жыл бұрын
@@bjholland8322 No. I got no response
@sile26 11 ай бұрын
wable? lol seriously?
@peterlesko8644 4 жыл бұрын
How did you remove selfie stick from video?
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Peter Lesko Insta360 one R camera takes it out automatically :) so des Insta360 one X, Gopro max, and I guess many other 360 cameras
@willynijenhuis9683 3 жыл бұрын
i have 3 x 125 mm end 4 x 110 mm ,same frame, i live in holland
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
That’s some serious big wheels :) never tried these sizes
@user-xu6kq8ut7w 4 жыл бұрын
Hello from Russia. Which frame can be attached to the felt boots?
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Privet Pavel! I do not know any Felt skates. Do you have a link to the product or at least a picture? Normally, there is either UFS mount or 165mm mount of the frames. Some of the frames you can look up here: www.der-rollenshop.de/165mm-Mounting_1 But I would argue to upgrade the boots as well to some of the more known brands if you can.
@user-xu6kq8ut7w 4 жыл бұрын
smile. it was a joke. I like serious people and I wanted to cheer you up. I like your efforts. I thought it would be nice to measure another parameter - the heart rate. On 76 mm wheels, I skate one kilometer in 3 minutes. You have a good result.
@user-xu6kq8ut7w 4 жыл бұрын
Felt boots (skates) - valenki. That's what I meant.
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Павел Сергеевич thanks mate :) I have a HR monitor somewhere. I stopped using it as well as fitness trackers as these toys drag me into competition to myself that normally ends up with an injury or over-burn :D now I am way more chill
@vijaysaladi5295 3 жыл бұрын
Can we replace football shoe to inline skat's boot? Give idea
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
vijay saladi better sandals - for summer :)
@vijaysaladi5295 3 жыл бұрын
Actually my inline skates boot was damaged but, new boot is verry expensive, Iam asking can we alteration with football shoe? 😉
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
vijay saladi I do not think it will work well, but if that is the only option you have - you can try. Try going to Blade Trade Outpost Facebook groop and ask if someone has a pair that they can give away. So many people have unused skate boots...
@vijaysaladi5295 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your information dude and iam a diy artist and designer i will find best way to alteration 🔥in lo budget
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
vijay saladi respect man! Also, inline skate boots are normally made of some sort of ABS plastic. If somewhere around you there is some sort of a workshop that fixes plastic car bumpers, they might be able to fix you skate boot.
@TheJugheaddrum 4 жыл бұрын
What kind of bearings were in each?
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Both with Wicked ILQ 9 classic
@TheJugheaddrum 4 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala nice! Crazy how close they were!
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Marc J I had a suspicion they will be close. Just from how they feel when riding. And large wheels are much harder, 88A, 90mm 85A. I might try going on the larger ones to practice some grinds (purely because these hydrogens are so grippy!)
@TheJugheaddrum 4 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala my PS next 110 arctics are coming today. So I'm pumped. I currently have K2 90 boa. Which are not bad. Different coming from aggressive skates over 10 years ago. But these triskates just took all my attention and I had to get a pair. Cant wait to try them out. Heard the ride is so much smoother on 110 and 125.
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Marc J i have never tried the 125. These 110 are my firstd. I find 110 a bit smoother than 90, but not much. Maybe because the hardness of the wheels? It will be fun anyways, let me know your impressions after the first ride :)
@C_Mortada 2 жыл бұрын
Which set u think is faster for the same boot...... A 3*110 set Or a 3*125 set, with a 100 grams heavier frame?
@VandKoala 2 жыл бұрын
It solely depends on the question “faster for what?”. Marathon - probably 3x125. Sprint - 3x110. I tried 3x125, did not dig them. Rolling downhill - great fun, accelerating and going uphill a lot of work to make those wheels spin. Consider road quality - 125will roll better on rough bad quality asphalt.
@C_Mortada 2 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala thx for the quick response, but won't the weight of the frame affect the speed I live in Egypt 🇪🇬, and the asphalt isn't the best thing most of the time 😃, and I intend to use the skate for long distances, maybe more than 5Ks Do,still with the 125 with the heavier frame?
@VandKoala 2 жыл бұрын
@@C_Mortada I do not think the weight will affect the speed, most likely it will just help to maintain it. It will definitely be harder to accelerate and go uphill though
@C_Mortada 2 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala thx a lot ❤️❤️❤️
@Z_3D 3 жыл бұрын
My 4x 90s are faster the 3x 100 are more agile and I get a better workout trying to get the speed I'm accustomed to on the 4x 90
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
They must be more agile only because of the shorter frames. If you want your 4x90 to be agile as well - you can rotate the wheels, but not change their positions. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsifiaZintDGZXk.html
@eusofftai 2 жыл бұрын
im currently on 4x80mm 243mm frames...& my boot size is EU46....yes...i mostly fall on my ass or almost trip to the front.
@VandKoala 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, definitely try 4x90, you will feel “like home” :)
@captainbungee 5 ай бұрын
I'm having the exact same dilemma. I have an 80-80-80-72-80 frame on order so I can reuse my existing 4x80 wheels. Wheelbase is 316mm
@kenmastersmaster 2 жыл бұрын
Rollerblade 4x80 and 3x110 are both 255mm....
@chicodisco2612 3 жыл бұрын
That is why the transmission of a car exists. If you don't have the drive to get the wheels rolling, of course you're not going to take advantage of having more speed! On the other hand, with small wheels, no matter how much momentum you have, you won't be able to have high speed. It's easy, do the same test but with 60mm wheels and tell me if they are faster than 90mm wheels.
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to reply a long comment, but I won't. I will just say that on a sprint I will win with 60mm wheels vs the 110 as big wheels demand a lot of energy to accelerate. For my riding conditions and purposes, and hill sizes, and quality of the roads 4x90 are faster and work better :)
@WheelyArt 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer 4
@VandKoala 2 жыл бұрын
Same here!
@jrbmwpower Жыл бұрын
4x90mm is The Future !!!!
@santiagor486 Жыл бұрын
I mean 4x90 is 360 and 3x110 is 330. That’s gotta mean some lol
@luislima8798 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks alot for this great video! 4x90 is by far bether!!
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you mate! You insipred me to go for 4x90 :)
@Skatafossy 4 жыл бұрын
There is no doubt that bigger wheels are faster for the same compound and bearings
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
Skatafossy well, probably it has to do something with compound, frame lenght, ammount of wheels and mass distribution per wheel. Also it should take you longer/more effort to accelerate with them. But all of this is just believes. Not facts. The only real fact here is that mine 4x90 setup is faster and works better for me personally than mine 3x110 setup in my personal conditions.
@Skatafossy 4 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala I respect your opinion .... but bigger wheels are faster: it's physical law unbelief, that's why speed skaters use 3x125 or 4x110. do not you think...??? You can't be sure you've always pushed the same way I think
@VandKoala 4 жыл бұрын
@@Skatafossy I am not trying to prove that bigger wheels are slower than the small ones. I am trying to prove that for my personal riding style and conditions 4x90 mm frame is not slower than the 3x110 one. Moreover, it also has a better grip, handles stairs better, turns smoother, lands from jumps smoother, therefore, I prefer 4x90 vs 3x110 :) I assume it is faster because of the much longer frame, thus, longer-stronger stride, not because of the size of the wheels. So yes, probably I pushed with the longer frame much stronger. Now for the sake of discussion: First of all speed skaters and me noobing around the town is not a comparable thing. Think about this: I take a small, underpowered car. Some VW Polo with 0.9 engine. And install 42" wheels on it, instead of the original 13" ones. They should be much faster uh? Will the car go faster? Uphill? Against the wind? :) Bigger wheels on inline skates are only faster because of their ability to roll over small bumps (rough surfaces). They will also take more effort on climbs, acceleration, against the wind etc, as they do have a bigger mass that you need to rotate. Talking about physical laws there is one called Newton's second law :)
@asisqueezylovediary6474 3 жыл бұрын
I choose 3 wheels bc I have tiny foot
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Asi&Squeezy Love Diary It is great that there are choices for us all :)
@psimetric8887 Жыл бұрын
3x110 for long distances is better.
@MarinetteMenominee 3 жыл бұрын
4
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Totally!
@bluestarmediavvm Жыл бұрын
I thinked purchasing new 3x110 before watching this video to achieve more speed. I use for two years is powerslide next 4x90mm. My skates don't seem to need an upgrade. thanks for vloger.❤❤️
@doom3637 3 жыл бұрын
All that "downhill" test did was make this video a really long-winded way of saying "Longer frames provide a more powerful stride" which is Inline Skating 101.
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time taken to leave a comment man!
@EvoJDR 3 жыл бұрын
we did not get the accurate result man... that's what the video is all about
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
You could try to reach out to some of the engineering universities, maybe some phD is looking for a project and could provide you with an accurate scientific test result :) I can only confirm that I am riding on 4x90 frame and not on the 3x110 one as it gives tons more of control and feels a tiny bit faster.
@eastclintwood7153 3 жыл бұрын
@@VandKoala I = N*m*r² I: moment of inertia N: wheel count m: mass of the wheels r: radius of the wheels Matter G13: 90mm 112g 100mm 133g 110mm 152g 125mm 186g From 4x90 to 3x110 it would be 52% more moment of inertia. I recently testet a 3x110 setup on my freeskate comming from a 4x80 setup and i was kind of disappointed that it wasnt as fast as i thought it would be. Imo the wheels on a 3x110 setup have to be very hard to compensate for the missing forth wheel.
@Obsidian369 3 жыл бұрын
you make no sence
@VandKoala 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@johnsonvalentine7429 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@sile26 11 ай бұрын
Learn how to spell.
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