Which is Better, a $7K Klon or a $30 Clone?

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JHS Pedals

JHS Pedals

Күн бұрын

On todays pilot of “Can You Hear It?”, Addison’s ears are put to the test. Can he tell the difference between an $8000 Klon, and a $40 Klone? Probably not… but we are going to find out anyways.
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@bymbie
@bymbie 2 жыл бұрын
You folks need to set-up a live voting system, so you can survey the full audience. Would be fun to see the distribution of listener guesses.
@hisham_hm
@hisham_hm 2 жыл бұрын
KZfaq supports polls in the live chat
@stevenlewis4376
@stevenlewis4376 2 жыл бұрын
My guess is it would be 50/50.
@cartoonvillains7080
@cartoonvillains7080 2 жыл бұрын
Y E S
@bymbie
@bymbie 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevenlewis4376 Very likely. Haha. I was 1 for 3.
@cyanidejunkie
@cyanidejunkie 2 жыл бұрын
As Hisham stated, adding a poll the live stream is easy to do.
@grandudetonesnob7107
@grandudetonesnob7107 2 жыл бұрын
The most surprising thing I've learned from this is that handling pedals while wearing white gloves imparts a more refined tone to all the pedals involved.
@escalator9734
@escalator9734 2 жыл бұрын
@Robert Cooper not that far off of gibson's "toan iz in the finish"
@eastbaystreet1242
@eastbaystreet1242 2 жыл бұрын
Silly people, tone is in the pedal board material: the part of the pedal board to which the pedals are mounted. Don't even get me started on the huge impact on tone caused by velcro mounting the pedals vs. zip tie/hard fasteners.
@grandudetonesnob7107
@grandudetonesnob7107 2 жыл бұрын
@@eastbaystreet1242 Not to mention how the pedal casing and the finish affect the tone. The pot metal and powder coating they use don't allow the pedal to breathe as well as sitka spruce and nitrocellulose lacquer.
@tomcoryell
@tomcoryell 2 жыл бұрын
@@grandudetonesnob7107 A properly relic’d pedal ALWAYS sounds better.
@alanknuss1241
@alanknuss1241 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomcoryell everyone knows relics are fake, I don’t understand why anyone would want one, they must be idiots etc, etc, etc 😂
@MetaMicroLabs
@MetaMicroLabs 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a secret "PLACEBO" example with two of the same pedals going head-to-head to explore that kind of bias.
@sobrevida157
@sobrevida157 2 жыл бұрын
Agree. I think of that in every A/B testing. Do an A/A testing. Or just pretend to switch it. When we are so focused on looking for differences, we can see them so clearly. We find evidence of whatever we're looking for.
@AsherRapp
@AsherRapp Жыл бұрын
Gonna be hard to drop 14k on 2 klons
@mrnelsonius5631
@mrnelsonius5631 Жыл бұрын
There’s a lot of blind A/B tests that show up in Gearspace forums about plugins, and I’ve noticed that the most ardent arguers of “this one sounds better than the other” suddenly go quiet and leave the thread when the blind tests show up. Refuse to participate. Cuz….. confirmation bias is a helluva drug
@RByrne
@RByrne Жыл бұрын
@@AsherRapp thats not how it works.
@glorious_day
@glorious_day Жыл бұрын
@@AsherRapp Josh has a bunch
@arborealityForest
@arborealityForest 2 жыл бұрын
I really hope this show continues. I just saved so much money.
@Kcapgar
@Kcapgar Жыл бұрын
Those klons definitely sounded the same.
@ekklesiast
@ekklesiast Жыл бұрын
I thought B (the original) sounded better, "juicer" before the reveal, but I can't say the difference worth $7k. Also 1 minute is not enough.
@1thess523
@1thess523 9 ай бұрын
And you didn't even have to go with Geico 😂😂😂. I got my Mosky Silver Horse for $19 👍
@1thess523
@1thess523 9 ай бұрын
​@@KcapgarI was totally surprised myself, I have the Mosky and it sounds really nice through my JCM 900
@JoshCarlsonftw
@JoshCarlsonftw 7 ай бұрын
​@@ekklesiastwow thanks for the spoiler
@travismegale6796
@travismegale6796 2 жыл бұрын
I guessed A on the Klon but knew I was wrong the second I saw how much more gently Josh removed the patch cords from the B pedal. 😂
@andyrharris
@andyrharris 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the same. I don't know what did it for you, but to me A seemed to have more dynamic range. When he was strumming quite hard, they sounded the same to me.
@DMSProduktions
@DMSProduktions 2 жыл бұрын
AND also how FAR he moved his hands to TURN the knobs! THAT was a DEAD give away!
@josephbeamon8132
@josephbeamon8132 2 жыл бұрын
100% me as well
@justaskin8523
@justaskin8523 2 жыл бұрын
Stop listening with your eyes, people! lol!
@Espresso101
@Espresso101 Жыл бұрын
Amazing attention to detail. Great job.
@stephc4427
@stephc4427 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, a circuit is a circuit! Well said. Electronics are governed by the component values and the layout. The magic is entirely within our heads. Kudos to the crew at JHS for having the courage to make it real!
@wesleyzimmerman94
@wesleyzimmerman94 2 жыл бұрын
And the little variance in values that we just can't remove will make two pedals set the exact same way sound slightly different, whether you can hear it or not
@Jesse615
@Jesse615 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. It seems to me that "more expensive" will mean "better quality/sound" up to a point, but then the law of diminishing returns takes over. $7,0000.00 for an overdrive pedal is a prime example.
@justaskin8523
@justaskin8523 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jesse615 $7,000 dollars is foolish. $70,000 is an even better sales opportunity!
@Djimbe
@Djimbe 2 жыл бұрын
@@wesleyzimmerman94 that variance can go for different units from the same production run!
@WmLJohnson
@WmLJohnson Жыл бұрын
I think theres a King Midas moment that keeping going on and on for the Klon. I dumped mine long ago sadly. I say that only because I’d sell in a second now for more. I still use a clone and I have several. I do love the pedal. Im the guy who has used a tube screamer since 1983. Ive prolly had 50 TS pedals. Love them both as boosts.
@marianokun
@marianokun 2 жыл бұрын
This channel showed me everything I know about pedals and to not be ashamed of the cheap ones as long as I like the sound
@NORMIES_GET_OUT
@NORMIES_GET_OUT Жыл бұрын
My main concern when buying pedals is build quality. I have a couple of the Amazon basics pedals (Compressor and an ABY switch) and they've held up really well. Definitely better than some of my more expensive pedals. *Ahem* I'm looking at you TC Electronics... 😠
@HotDominicanDad
@HotDominicanDad Жыл бұрын
@@NORMIES_GET_OUT what brands have held up well?
@sundownsupper7409
@sundownsupper7409 Жыл бұрын
@@NORMIES_GET_OUT tc electronics = behringer = no
@brianrollins7275
@brianrollins7275 Жыл бұрын
Keeley, JHS, Boss and MXR have been the best for me as far as build quality and longevity.
@1thess523
@1thess523 9 ай бұрын
​@@NORMIES_GET_OUTmy son had a Walrus Audio Voyager and had to replace the stomp button because it gave out, we were able to do it ourselves but it's an expensive pedal.
@mrnelsonius5631
@mrnelsonius5631 2 жыл бұрын
I preferred the sound of the cheaper Klon, straight up, and I do music and production professionally 😂. Maybe there’s no accounting for taste but I’m absolutely certain that $6,950 can be better spent just about every way imaginable.
@ObsidianLife
@ObsidianLife 2 жыл бұрын
A whole lot of people listen with their eyes…
@Threemicsrecords
@Threemicsrecords 2 жыл бұрын
Musicians' hearing is supposedly so good.
@jclark1693
@jclark1693 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like I preferred the authentic Klon, but honestly…not by much and I imagine any difference could be dialed out with actually seeing the knobs and getting what you want. If I had to absolutely pick which one sounded better? B. But honestly I wouldn’t even consider wanting the original, the knock-off is so close I wouldn’t think twice about buying it. I’m honestly considering buying one right now because it’s so good and I would never justify the money to buy an original.
@shaft9000
@shaft9000 2 жыл бұрын
They both sounded mediocre, because he was just choking out some chords and not playing any music. It's a useless comparison.
@SidneyTurnerOfficial
@SidneyTurnerOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
@@shaft9000 Fanboy?
@tajobi9984
@tajobi9984 2 жыл бұрын
having 2 clones and one original would lower the chance of a lucky random guess, and it would be cool if the third pedal was something like a digital multi stomp!
@evanharnett
@evanharnett 2 жыл бұрын
I would say have 2 of the same brand and the original just to make it interesting.
@bobbyjarvisjr9818
@bobbyjarvisjr9818 2 жыл бұрын
+1
@jarrodcross1482
@jarrodcross1482 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah A/B blind testing is one thing ... but even then a 50/50 shot ... particularly when your not really matching unity or levels so a crap shoot at best ... funny how the cheep n cheerful wins almost every time! ... aka do a shootout of say 7 RATs or 12 big muffs ... there's no chance anyone could tell the difference especially when it's in chain of pedals, in isolation I suspect they will be slightly different, and potentially identifiable... just pointless which is what I love about JHS, the demystifying of circuits! :D I'm so getting a 39$ Klone! :D
@tds2117
@tds2117 2 жыл бұрын
@@jarrodcross1482 why would anyone do a shootout of the same pedal, let alone a dozen of them? Unless you’re saying with a Muff vs Rat, which would be silly because they’re very different circuits. Not to mention one is a fuzz, while the other is distortion.
@jarrodcross1482
@jarrodcross1482 2 жыл бұрын
@@tds2117 I think you answered your own question, either do or don't ... while the variations of say a RAT or a big muff are well documented plus having production runs over decades with revisions n component substitutions, while they are basically voiced to create the same effect at the output jack ... a bit like how most old boss CE2s sound subtley different, the real question is let's say, is a 500+ vintage unit better or worse than a current production model let alone a cheep 30-40$ clone ... While it's just a circuit, take the klon for example ... with some now hitting 10,000$s plus how many were hand made by Bill, that introduces so many variances surely, if he was hand building all those?
@MarcelandrieW
@MarcelandrieW 2 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see some cheap "Amp In A Box" vs actual Amp comparisons. Tape Delays and Fuzzes would be nice too.
@bigfootNPC
@bigfootNPC Жыл бұрын
The Rat clone sounded so much better than the real thing. Original Rat seemed thin and sharp
@heinzchristianoetken4336
@heinzchristianoetken4336 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, and I thought I was insane I did prefer the original Klon though…
@kingocowata
@kingocowata Жыл бұрын
You’re crazy 😂
@TheMuffinMan01
@TheMuffinMan01 Жыл бұрын
was it not just way quieter??
@clintbustwood4800
@clintbustwood4800 Жыл бұрын
@@TheMuffinMan01yeah I think that was more what people are hearing. A ton of vintage pedals just have weaker output signals than modern stuff. They need to set the levels accordingly before they start in the future
@shaft9000
@shaft9000 Жыл бұрын
2 rather significant things here: - equal-loudness contours / Fletcher-Munson bias due to unequal volume - B doesn't sound even 50% like a Rat, and is much closer to a mid-period Big Muff. So it plainly fails by a mile as a clone, but if you prefer it to the old specimen then that's great. Happy accidents and serendipity make for half of the innovation and joy in the world,. anyways :)
@kostas8018
@kostas8018 Жыл бұрын
The initial popularity and success of the Klon was due to the innovations in how the circuit was designed. Since the circuit does not involve any super rare or expensive components, cheap copies can be made and faithful reproductions will sound as good as the original (or at least to the point that human ear cannot detect any difference). The inflated price of the Klon is only due to the fact that it has become a collector's item, and it has become a collector's item because there are relatively few units, not because the original units sound better.
@TheDubdubwubwub
@TheDubdubwubwub Жыл бұрын
What do you think is the best clone of Klon?
@drippinglass
@drippinglass Жыл бұрын
There’s 8,000 of them out there. Usually more than 20 on Reverb and eBay at any given time. Guitar players are dumb.
@buckdown2464
@buckdown2464 Жыл бұрын
The Wampler Tumnus (the little one) is probably the best, and the Warm Audio is probably the most authentic
@shaft9000
@shaft9000 Жыл бұрын
i haven't heard anything come closer than the KTR, i like the ryra a lot and the centura can sound even creamier than a Klon. Sold my Tumnus as the transient was icepick-ish, inducing the most rapid ear-fatigue of any other boost pedal since my keeley time machine. Kind of wish I'd kept the Archer but only a little, as my DIY silver pony 2 does the job (and more) just fine.
@BrantleyAllen
@BrantleyAllen 7 ай бұрын
Tell that to the people that spent too much money on a pedal "just because."
@particlesandpixels
@particlesandpixels 2 жыл бұрын
"Getting stringed" was very 90s Nickelodeon, that was fun. Great series I look forward to more!
@SteveOuimette
@SteveOuimette 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best show on KZfaq, hands-down. Hilarious to hear the comparisons and the difference in cost, especially the Klon. High five!
@_left_eye
@_left_eye 2 жыл бұрын
Cool, funny and informative as always! I’d never thought a Klon had reached 7k. But at the moment I’m so happy for the eventual owners who ve just realised they can get a better sounding pedal for 29.99 bucks
@bradleyard4195
@bradleyard4195 Жыл бұрын
I have the Mosky. Can confirm it's a damn good pedal.
@jasonmick1587
@jasonmick1587 2 жыл бұрын
I’m going out on a limb here this was my favorite most fun JHS video I’ve viewed yet!!! Loved it you’ll have to do another one!
@AlexOtter
@AlexOtter 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see "analog vs digital" in this type of show format for effects like modulation and delay. Even digital overdrive/distortion/fuzz like the Ultrawave against analog equivalents.
@ruvchbrevth
@ruvchbrevth 2 жыл бұрын
Line 6 stuff vs actual pedals would be an awesome comparison! ☺️
@walterpruitt6589
@walterpruitt6589 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this and the JHS show. It’s great wholesome and informative guitar pedal videos. This was great to watch after a long stressful day of work. Cheers!
@AB-lx8cf
@AB-lx8cf 2 жыл бұрын
The klon much harder with very little output difference but tone was pretty spot on. Had 3 klons back in 2003. Sold them for $350/$400 back then. Thinking I made it out good. Damn I hate myself.
@coolcatfxadoptionagency11
@coolcatfxadoptionagency11 2 жыл бұрын
If you decide to do amps it'd be neat to see a real full stack vs. a fully digital setup. I'd definitely like to see some analog vs. digital stuff.
@-Pol-
@-Pol- 2 жыл бұрын
Everything's digital once it goes through the interwebby... 🎸🎙🖥🌐💻🔉🎶👂😝
@AlextheBant
@AlextheBant 2 жыл бұрын
Well as an audio engineer i can tell you i have fooled a lot of amp lovers with amp sims and digital stuff. Nobody can discern it. And i say this as a tube amp lover who owns 8 amps. Live with my band i play a tube amp, other guitarist plays a digital rig. Truly both sound just as good. Theres slight differences here and there in feel sometimes. Sometimes not, in the end who cares. We live in an age where theres about a million ways to make good sounding things and its all valid.
@coolcatfxadoptionagency11
@coolcatfxadoptionagency11 2 жыл бұрын
Just throwing out ideas. I've never played a real full stack or a fully digital rig, so all I have for reference is my orange micros into a cheap 4x12 and a lil crate tube combo, so I can't voice any opinion. New idea: Test plastic enclosures vs. all metal at obscene levels to see if one is noisier than the other, since shielding/grounding with a metal chassis blocks out more rf.
@equaleyez
@equaleyez 2 жыл бұрын
We need a Kemper re visit.
@earthchild5346
@earthchild5346 2 жыл бұрын
I had a peavey deuce vt tube amp from like late 70s early 80s maybe? Was older. sounded better than my fender twin cyber which I got brand new. That peavey was crunchy and warm as fuuuuck silky smooth tones on both ends. Tube amps are king imo vs solid state and digital. Depends what you're going for though too it's almost too subjective to draw a conclusion it's more preference person to person I think.
@WarrenPostma
@WarrenPostma 2 жыл бұрын
I want to hear an episode where you compare the actual pedal to a variety of modelled sounds, such as Helix, or even some software plugins. For example, Helix Native’s chorus sounds or the Digitech RP360 chorus sounds, versus the actual pedals they are modelled after.
@Clambelly
@Clambelly 2 жыл бұрын
Josh and Crew this is the best guitar pedal review ever in the history of KZfaq. Proves what I have been saying for years -- a pedal sounds only as good as it looks !
@dustinmbox
@dustinmbox 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the mis-matched volume contributed to the answers more than the tone difference. Perceivable louder tone tends to sound better. Its weird but really true. Great tone a quiet level usually doesn’t sound as good as poorer tone louder.
@Guedzilla
@Guedzilla 2 жыл бұрын
Loud is more good.
@dustinmbox
@dustinmbox 2 жыл бұрын
@@Guedzilla absolutely
@scottkidwellmusic9175
@scottkidwellmusic9175 2 жыл бұрын
That, like most of your episodes, was pretty fun. Also educational and entertaining. Thanks, y'all 🙏
@coreyclark6505
@coreyclark6505 2 жыл бұрын
This channel can really crush a person who’s bought 6 different overdrives of one type to find that one “magic” one. Great show!
@paulcowart3174
@paulcowart3174 2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha yeah So which did you end up favoring after all the purchases ??
@coreyclark6505
@coreyclark6505 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulcowart3174 I stopped buying Overdrives and Fuzzes about 3-4 years ago and started playing with EQ Pedals instead. Not near as glamorous, but they have a huge impact on sound.
@HenryDixon3
@HenryDixon3 2 жыл бұрын
@@coreyclark6505 Are you EQing before, or after, the overdrives?
@coreyclark6505
@coreyclark6505 2 жыл бұрын
@@HenryDixon3 both as of recently. I picked up a Source Audio EQ2. I use channel 1 pre and channel 2 post.
@b.scottfarthingsworth
@b.scottfarthingsworth 2 жыл бұрын
@@coreyclark6505 EQ is the secret weapon of tone sculpting, it has made me like dirtboxes that I hated. So that Source Audio EQ2, I was looking into that when it first came out. Well I was looking at the first version, then the next week the 2 came out and the vids on it blew my mind. I need it right?
@sillyskeleton
@sillyskeleton 2 жыл бұрын
Man, it's like buying a watch. You could spend thousands if you want to, but at the end of the day something for a fraction of the price can still tell you the right time.
@stinkyou6902
@stinkyou6902 10 ай бұрын
I can’t tell the difference Love the person getting stringed with dignity ❤❤❤😂😂😂
@jimpottssoundandvision
@jimpottssoundandvision 2 жыл бұрын
This is a ton of fun! Keep going with this idea. The Klons were indistinguishable.
@chrisrussell1318
@chrisrussell1318 2 жыл бұрын
Great pilot guys!! That was not only helpful but just down right fun!! You rock🤘🎶🎸
@nicolaschauxlugo2361
@nicolaschauxlugo2361 2 жыл бұрын
I love how the people in jhs are always innovating with their content, it makes the idea of learning about tone, guitars, pedals and everything else music related, more enjoyable!! Kudoss
@jayvoorhees2931
@jayvoorhees2931 2 жыл бұрын
More of these videos please! So awesome. Thanks guys!
@jameswest3887
@jameswest3887 2 жыл бұрын
That was an awesome show!!! I'm looking forward to more of these. Pedal snobs may have some nervous breakdowns.
@GuitarsZnuff
@GuitarsZnuff 2 жыл бұрын
Paul Stanley said it best "People listen with their eyes."
@steverhinefrank5589
@steverhinefrank5589 2 жыл бұрын
mr. paul stanley took that quote from the other mr. paul (les)...
@austinbridge
@austinbridge Жыл бұрын
WOW. The Rat and Klon comparisons blew my mind. I love it! 👏
@jacksprat1124
@jacksprat1124 Жыл бұрын
A revue show that actually creates real, live, unbiased comparisons AND has fun without wasting a lot of time doing it. Thumbs up!
@hennydarmse
@hennydarmse 2 жыл бұрын
I love this gameshow-type content! Bluesbreaker clones next? Chuck in a Morning Glory as well and have Josh play it to see if he can find his own pedal! ;)
@buckdown2464
@buckdown2464 Жыл бұрын
Seeing if Josh can hear his own pedal could be an entire show
@calebfisher7345
@calebfisher7345 2 жыл бұрын
I love it. my entire board is made up of these budget pedals And know I feel validated LOL
@davidstrubeck8195
@davidstrubeck8195 2 жыл бұрын
It’s good to feel validated know and again.
@broken927
@broken927 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidstrubeck8195 know, know, David.
@davidvicars6688
@davidvicars6688 2 жыл бұрын
I now the feeling
@ickebins6948
@ickebins6948 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidvicars6688 Atleast know you now
@BlueBarrier782
@BlueBarrier782 2 жыл бұрын
If you are spending more than 100-200, it's just hype. Even in that range you are paying for the same Chinese parts but maybe not Chinese labor (though most of the time you are just paying middlemen.)
@davegrove795
@davegrove795 2 жыл бұрын
Great show, keep it going. This is on my mind every pedal purchase!!
@jasonserpent4214
@jasonserpent4214 2 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome concept! More of this please!
@christopherbrown6565
@christopherbrown6565 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like this could be even harder if Josh got to set each pedal's settings before the listener could hear it.
@scottworsham
@scottworsham 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Pre-set them to be as close in sound to each other as possible in advance, then pick. My guess is that a guess would be just that.
@DrKevGuitar
@DrKevGuitar 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Matching volumes is important in making any meaningful comparison (because the ear will generally prefer the louder pedal).
@thehickeys3824
@thehickeys3824 Жыл бұрын
This show gives such a different experience on pedals than normal Pedal Review Videos
@Compass2101
@Compass2101 2 жыл бұрын
Great show. Looking forward to future episodes!
@jamiehunt8811
@jamiehunt8811 2 жыл бұрын
The more you know, the more you suffer 🤣🤣🤣
@johnwardle9667
@johnwardle9667 Жыл бұрын
Thank you JHS pedals team for doing this important work.
@SfordRog
@SfordRog 2 жыл бұрын
Good show! Please make several more episodes. Some pairing ideas: wah wah pedals and their "magic" inductors; blues breaker pedal variants vs original; modern chorus/vibrato pedals vs Boss CE-whatevers; modern analog/tape delays vs "the good ones" from yester-years.
@trevorscan
@trevorscan 8 ай бұрын
I absolutely love these can you hear it vids and the fun energy in the room ans how much joy Josh seems to get out of these experiments
@XXIII_89
@XXIII_89 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE this series!! It's about time for another installment!!!
@-Pol-
@-Pol- 2 жыл бұрын
That was great! 😆 Defo up for more of this series - I'd like to see a 3 way comparison though: Expensive pedal vs cheap pedal vs cheap multi effect pedal like, say an MS-50g - We also need two participants: Gen-Z with hearing intact vs Gen-X with burned out ears but experience.
@bstoner1300
@bstoner1300 2 жыл бұрын
3/3 for me, but 1 and 3 were total guesses. Also I guessed the OG rat would be more scooped and a newer style would me more mid forward. But NONE of them were significantly better or worse in this test. Amazing!
@tonoormusic
@tonoormusic 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing format! Please more of this :)
@natashanyxx9486
@natashanyxx9486 2 жыл бұрын
I love this format. More please! 💜
@drdee3645
@drdee3645 2 жыл бұрын
Just discovered this channel - excellent stuff! And Josh is hilarious - the Peter Kay of Guitar Gear!😄 Never fails to brighten up my day 😎
@musicmann1967
@musicmann1967 2 жыл бұрын
This was very interesting and I think it absolutely proves Josh's point of confirmation bias being most of what we "hear" when we decide one piece of gears sounds inherently better than another piece of gear. (I'm totally guilty of this myself) We buy into the whole package and history just as much if not more than the sound. The Rat clone totally fooled me. I guessed the Tube Screamer correctly, but since I'm not a fan of Tube Screamers anyway, I dion't know if that really counts. I got the other two wrong. I do have a suggestion though. For future episodes Josh should do a little "pre production" and find settings for all the boxes ahead of time that he can dial in when he plugs in each pair of pedals, so right out of the gate they sound close. THEN you can start twiddling knobs. Set up the expensive one the ways most people use it, then try to match that with the cheap box, and use those setting before anyone even plays a note. I think it would be even more challenging that way.
@careywebber638
@careywebber638 Жыл бұрын
Love it! Great video
@JeremyJames_studio
@JeremyJames_studio Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video! Thank you. Love to see/hear one on delays, tone benders and reverbs
@toddgibson6817
@toddgibson6817 2 жыл бұрын
This is hilarious and should teach people that they shouldn't be buying into this crazy hype surrounding pedals.
@unitedstatesofmordor
@unitedstatesofmordor 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! How about; Klon v Caline Pegasus Boss CE2 v Tone City Angel Wing Strymon (shimmer) v Caline Wonderland Fuzz Face v cheap alternative etc. v cheaper etc...
@JoeBaermann
@JoeBaermann 2 жыл бұрын
@@unitedstatesofmordor Indeed, cheaper doesn't always mean worse, often comes down to the builder getting the components and circuit right. The propper Klon clones also come with germanium diodes which only differ in being a tad smaller these days, electrical they do the exact same thing, besides the tone boost one expects from such a pedal, the tiny difference one might notice will drown in the mix anyway. Only reason to buy an expensive old classic is for the investment, besides that I personally never would take a 7000$ hard to get classic with me to a stage. DIY brings even more fun into it, since there are some kits that include close to every possible mod and by that add way more versatility to the pedal while still keeping the price under $80.
@jimtroeltsch5998
@jimtroeltsch5998 2 жыл бұрын
no way, Todd! its clearly rigged to confirm Josh's agenda on making cheap pedals seem appealing. Any aficionado of tone can see through this charade. You clearly haven't played long enough and haven't spent enough money on pedals, peasant.
@almessinger1834
@almessinger1834 2 жыл бұрын
I think people get the assignment wrong. We’re listing for which one is the REAL version, not “which one sounds better. If you know how to identify what it should sound like you can guess it right. If you’re trying to decide which one you like more it could go either way.
@CenterThePendulum
@CenterThePendulum 2 жыл бұрын
@@almessinger1834 The question posed has the undercurrent purpose of debunking paying obscene money for the original. Knowing which is the original doesn’t provide any real-world utility unless you’re trying to not get scammed after paying $7k for what may be a convincing fake
@Craig_Fussell
@Craig_Fussell 2 жыл бұрын
Agree that this can be a really fun series! There are soooo many good pedals out there and knock-offs from Caline, NuX, Mosky, Moorer, etc etc, you could make it a weekly thing! One that I think would be a tough one to pick is the Jan Ray vs. Caline Pure Sky✌🏻
@scottdalrymple1716
@scottdalrymple1716 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this. Thank you for the video.
@kevinhudson7555
@kevinhudson7555 2 жыл бұрын
what a bloody brilliant concept and show ....we all listen with our eyes
@hjalmarconte4926
@hjalmarconte4926 2 жыл бұрын
This was awesome! I have been saying for a long time to all the cork sniffers out there that the Mosky Klon is AWESOME, and gets you there for 25 bucks (closer/as close as the 400/600 'boutique' versions ...) ... but hey-ho ... a fool and his money ....
@drischord
@drischord 2 жыл бұрын
Very fun. Would love to hear some delay and echo pedals like the EHX Memory Man or a vintage Echoplex.
@brettfuller6603
@brettfuller6603 2 жыл бұрын
This was a lot of fun because I know through my crappy speakers I rarely hear the difference, and it was nice to see that live with no bias they couldn't really either
@richardburkow3792
@richardburkow3792 2 жыл бұрын
Great, fun format - thanks!
@danielsauriol
@danielsauriol Жыл бұрын
for the third shootout (silver klon, $29 vs $7K) : that means you can buy 233 x Bezos Clones for the value of a single authentic Klon that just proved to sound the same ? Extremely surprising, interesting and baffling all at the same time !!! Definitely Food for Thoughts !! Thanks a lot Josh for bringing us back to Planet Earth !!!
@joelypolely
@joelypolely 2 жыл бұрын
I would love more of this, and i think it'd be cool to include amps as well.
@kbcarroll
@kbcarroll 2 жыл бұрын
Yes and not necessarily amps meant to sound like other amps. Just put a cheap amp on one side and an expensive amp on the other and ask him to guess which was the expensive amp
@robotsongs
@robotsongs 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but I'd hope they do a better job making them sound the same beforehand (especially, at very minimum, volume matching), instead of just looking at pots and approximating.
@irohaordeath1037
@irohaordeath1037 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear the Joyo Bantamp series compared to the heads they are emulating.
@maxellison55
@maxellison55 Жыл бұрын
Do this again. Very much enjoyed the comparisons!
@SugarShaneGuitarist
@SugarShaneGuitarist 2 жыл бұрын
Great series! Looking forward to future episodes. Would love to see Marshall Bluesbreaker v1 vs. Mooer Blues Crab.
@keenaband
@keenaband 2 жыл бұрын
Good object lesson in confirmation bias, an affliction that combines with FOMO resulting in severe GAS. An additional point to add, when you get in the thrash and crash of a pub gig, I think it gets even harder to hear differences.
@pedrova8058
@pedrova8058 2 жыл бұрын
I had to do sound in some local shows, and it's amazing to see how the psyche influences the musician "hears". There is always someone who insists that you correct their mix, more volume, more treble, more drums, etc. And when you already know that the guy is going to bother you all night because he "doesn't listen", you just make a gesture on the console, as if you were adjusting something. And the guy is as happy as if you had given him more volume. Always works! LOL
@michaelm2336
@michaelm2336 2 жыл бұрын
First off, KUDOS to Addison for putting himself out there for this challenge. My suggestion would be even more risky/challenging for another brave or foolish JHS soul - can a current JHS employee do a Versus episode using JHS pedals versus the OG reference pedals of their types? Maybe if they can get *all* the JHS pedals correct, they can have a paid, nice lunch or something (I'd certainly chip in for their meal)
@franckth186
@franckth186 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great job. You do make a point keep going that way!! Never learnt so well from anybody on youtube 👍
@kvondecks2538
@kvondecks2538 2 жыл бұрын
This was super fun to watch. Thanks JHS.
@thisperfectworld
@thisperfectworld 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome episode! Please consider doing a vintage Dallas Rangemaster vs. cheaper treble boosters, please!
@milesanderson3682
@milesanderson3682 2 жыл бұрын
I've been buying those little pedals from Amazon for the past year or two, and use them a lot. The various Klon clones are remarkable.
@MysterySchool33
@MysterySchool33 Жыл бұрын
Now this is super entertaining, Nice Work
@djpgreek
@djpgreek 2 жыл бұрын
“Yeah I think everyone should Google confirmation bias as well” hhahahaha Josh’s face is priceless.
@gerrickreidenbach8147
@gerrickreidenbach8147 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is a difference between trying to pick the more expensive pedal and the better sounding pedal. That may be where Addison went a bit off track. The contestant should, perhaps, be allowed to choose one or the other criteria, or both, when they give their final answer. Either way, you still have a relevant game show, plenty of fun and lots of points to make. Also, the use of an actual partition or 'blind fold' (think blacked out goggles of some sort) between the contestant and the host would be a more legitimate way of concealing each device. Then, the audience could know the identity of each pedal before the contestant, guess which pedal the contestant may pick in each criteria and avoid playing the same role as the contestant each episode. Thanks for another entertaining peek into the world of JHS!
@qujo777
@qujo777 Жыл бұрын
Thoughts: Use a looper pedal to ensure that strumming or playing doesn’t affect how each pedal is played. Play in a band setting - in a genre specific to the pedal’s most appropriate purpose -
@davidneath8194
@davidneath8194 2 жыл бұрын
Great format!
@darkallyrecordings4931
@darkallyrecordings4931 2 жыл бұрын
Keep this going. I really enjoyed it!
@jamiebriggs8277
@jamiebriggs8277 2 жыл бұрын
Sweet. That's the Rat clone I have, and that's the Klon clone I have. Love them both, and they were dirt cheap! Would like to see some fuzz comparisons: I have the Behringer Super Fuzz, and the Soniccake Fazy Cream Muff clone
@BlueBarrier782
@BlueBarrier782 2 жыл бұрын
The most massive sounding muff I've played was a cheap Eno BMF . . . Clones can be surprising
@Sonico430
@Sonico430 2 жыл бұрын
great show idea ! i would recommend trying to have an equal volume comparison... specially in the RAT example, version A (expensive) was lower in volume most of the 1 minute test, and that is a big BIAS when comparing... Louder is going to sound better most of the time.
@domgirard4095
@domgirard4095 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, the orginal RAT sounded thin and not set how people use the RAT. The original Klon soujnded less good near the end. It kinda sounds like Josh was trying to fool people with his pedal settings.
@LIGHT-fp4rd
@LIGHT-fp4rd 2 жыл бұрын
louder will almost always sound better..
@GG-ik6it
@GG-ik6it 2 жыл бұрын
Love this guys ! So hilarious and informative
@TheScreamingFrog916
@TheScreamingFrog916 Жыл бұрын
This is great news, for those of us on a tight budget 😅 As always, watching your videos is so much fun. Thanks , and best wishes for your continued success.
@dnc1769
@dnc1769 2 жыл бұрын
A 'basic' chorus pedal shootout would be pretty interesting. ie: each pedal should have the same parameters because obviously an Eventide ModFactor is going to sound better than a $30 Amazon pedal but what about a vintage Boss CE-1 or CE-2 ?
@deesnudts5182
@deesnudts5182 2 жыл бұрын
I used to manage a guitar shop and I was downright amazed how often the "lowly" Dano Fab Chorus for like $25 used to beat out way more expensive chorus pedals back to back
@MediHusky
@MediHusky 2 жыл бұрын
@@deesnudts5182 beat me to it
@lostboys-niagarapartyband1915
@lostboys-niagarapartyband1915 2 жыл бұрын
The Tube Screamer was louder. So right there, the perception is that it's better. Take two identical sounds, make one just slightly louder and it will always be picked as sounding better.
@jameshorne1547
@jameshorne1547 2 жыл бұрын
This was one the the best vids you guys have done! Just good wholesome fun! 🤣
@Zappabain
@Zappabain Жыл бұрын
I love this Josh's character and the relation between them 👏👏👏 and this blind tests are always a great thing to do.
@corncello4357
@corncello4357 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the episode! It would be cool if you could find a clone to shoot out with some Strymon pedals. Also maybe a Timmy overdrive shootout as well.
@TJEvans98
@TJEvans98 2 жыл бұрын
there are no clones to Strymon pedals....reverse engineering hardware is one thing....figuring out their digital algorithm within a fraction of accuracy is next to impossible. There are companies that have attempted to create their own "version" of select Strymon pedals, but it will never be a "clone."
@BlueBarrier782
@BlueBarrier782 2 жыл бұрын
I know there is the Caline Pure Sky and Mosky MM. There's probably other clones out there as well.
@BlueBarrier782
@BlueBarrier782 2 жыл бұрын
I know that Mooer got a copyright infringement for their pog clone. Somehow they got the code for that, so it might not be entirely out of the question.
@bradleyard4195
@bradleyard4195 Жыл бұрын
I have the Mosky Silver Horse. I absolutely love that pedal, and feel so good about my cheap purchase after hearing this. It sounds really, really similar to the Klon.
@deathafi
@deathafi Жыл бұрын
Any difference between the silver and the golden horse?
@bradleyard4195
@bradleyard4195 Жыл бұрын
@@deathafi The Silver has a toggle switch for extra gain.
@swampsofhome
@swampsofhome Жыл бұрын
I bought one after this show and laughed all the way to the bank. BTW, I could not hear the difference between the two. Maybe laughing too hard.
@bradleyard4195
@bradleyard4195 Жыл бұрын
@@swampsofhome In this case, laughing too hard is appropriate! The Silver Horse is such a ridiculous pedal.
@peterhaywood4111
@peterhaywood4111 2 жыл бұрын
Great show! More, please!
@BubbaZ737
@BubbaZ737 2 жыл бұрын
Please keep this up!!
@MetalMarcJK
@MetalMarcJK 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great show! Can't wait for the next installment. I got the Ibanez and the Klon right and got the RAT wrong. Honestly, the Ibanez sounded better, so I picked it and lucked out. The Amazon RAT sounded better than the actual Whiteface RAT, to be honest, so I biffed that one and guessed wrong. I owned a Centaur a long time ago, and there was one small sound I heard at either :13 or :14 secs left when Addison was playing the cheapie that the Klon wouldn't make (it was the guitar equivalent of a mic being overdriven...sort of a microsecond of bad saturation), but that one small microsecond was the ONLY way I could tell them both apart; otherwise, they both sounded great.
@KeithCollyer
@KeithCollyer 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, the B "rat" sounded better to me. Could be because it was louder, but it also seemed to be more meaty
@MetalMarcJK
@MetalMarcJK 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, @@KeithCollyer. I’m not a “louder is better, but like you, I did like the Great Value RAT’s volume and the “meat” of its sound.
@st3ngah
@st3ngah 2 жыл бұрын
The Mosky Black Rat is a very good sounding pedal.
@BlueBarrier782
@BlueBarrier782 2 жыл бұрын
I've been saying it for a couple years now . . . The Mosky Black Rat is seriously underrated and works really damn well for styles like doom metal. Its my favorite RAT, and I've got rats and variants that cost 10 times as much.
@brian91145
@brian91145 2 жыл бұрын
i agree i love my 90s Rat but it comes close!
@st3ngah
@st3ngah 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlueBarrier782 Absolutely. I use mine as a low gain overdrive on bass. The Mosky sounds every bit as good as my Kinnetone modded Proco Rat and it keeps its low end better than the Proco too.
@irohaordeath1037
@irohaordeath1037 2 жыл бұрын
Add to that its small pedal footprint and you've got a winner. Some people hate on it though for being a much cheaper clone of their favorite expensive dirt pedal.
@EJK36
@EJK36 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Donner that's amazing. Isn't there something up with the Mosky though where the tone stack is darker due to a resistor value error that was kept or something like that? It's not a 100% conventional Rat over whatever it is that's different. It's actually where the name "Black Rat" came from; which is mad clevor considering that it sounds darker.
@charrelhalekor2613
@charrelhalekor2613 2 жыл бұрын
This was great!
@adamrascon4252
@adamrascon4252 Жыл бұрын
I love how Josh smashes snobs feelings constantly! Great video! I can taste the snobs’ tears through the internet ahaha
@howardmaryon
@howardmaryon 2 жыл бұрын
I know that the whole “vintage pedals have to be better than modern clones and therefore stupid expensive” concept has been a “ bete noir” for Josh since forever, and I know that Addison has an excellent ear for tone, so Point made. However this was a lot of fun so more episodes please, who is going to be the next contestant?
@aynakotalaga
@aynakotalaga 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see some pedal legends as contestants! Phill Keeley?
@aynakotalaga
@aynakotalaga 2 жыл бұрын
@Robert Cooper haha yes! Phill Kelley was a bloke I used to work with!
@Reportageandart
@Reportageandart Жыл бұрын
It's important to point out, sometimes a higher price is not because it sounds better... but sometimes its a collectable factor. Like with anything, collectors seek certain things and that affects price. Supply and demand. Also, of course, what sounds better is completely subjective. Use and enjoy the tools you prefer for your sound and have fun.
@BrantleyAllen
@BrantleyAllen 7 ай бұрын
No one admits to owning one because it's a collector's item. They spent the money because it "sounds" better. Golden magical diodes.
@raul_perro
@raul_perro 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome competitive... You guys are great. Keep on rockin'
@JAANDLU
@JAANDLU 2 жыл бұрын
Super fun! Plesase do more!
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