According to my mum this video is “less boring when you play it on the big TV” so maybe try that if you’re not getting into it!

16:37 This isn't a contradiction. Bobbi Morse is never actually called "Agent 19" or "Mockingbird" in the show, and even if she had been, it's not like codenames have never changed hands in the MCU before. Also, regarding Kingpin having to rebuild his empire after the Blip, that's literally the answer the creators of the show give.

While Phase 4 hasn't lived up to most people's expectations so far, bringing the multiverse theory into the MCU was a brilliant idea. Being able to bring back old actors reprising their roles whether or not their stories were canon brings so many opportunities for great stories. We just have to find the right directors to make them.

Agents of Shield was SO good!

The darkhold in wandavidion is a copy said Wong in multiverse of madness. Therefore the darkholds in AoS and runaways are most likely to be just copies too. There are many copies of the darkhold.

"Because multiverse" is definitely a cop out in my opinion. I'm also 100% fine with it

I think these shows should be considered cannon because of the references and what not

I hate that cop out tbh, so I personally choose to believe that it's all canon until Feige says it explicitly otherwise. As for the same actors, just simple doppelgangers, we have those all over the world.

i wish agent of shield was cannon i want to see coulsion ,may quake and ftiz and simmons on the big screen

My thesis on daredevil and kingpin’s situation is that they are variants, but the Netflix shows are extremely similar to the MCU variants of those characters (kingpins physique is a prime example of this) and the reason Kingpin needed to rebuild his empire, is because Daredevil season 3.

I just got a shiver when you showed Feige taking over without moderation... Lucas made excellent movies back in the day because he had a vision of craziness and others reigned him in and made a trilogy out of his craziness. Feige may well need reigns to keep him going, the last bit of the MCU has been less than stellar. It is often easier to be creative inside a set of limitations than it is to be creative without any limitations at all, counterintuitive but it's how a lot of people work.

For me they can be still mcu cannon

That was the most dramatic pufferfish I've ever seen! Also, I think all shows pre-Wandavision are now kinda being treated as auditions for the MCU. If the characters/shows were successful, shoehorn them into the MCU somehow (variants definitely seem like the easiest way).

I love this. I’ve seen bits and pieces of certain shows in the past but never actually attempted to figure out why nothing quite lined up lol. Just kind of thought it did but I hadn’t seen enough of it. Thank you, great video!

In Spider-Man Far from Home they were talking about the blip and how it effected some of the students and even Michelle Jones (MJ) called Flash out on that which resulted in the waitress taking away his drink. In Agents of Shield there was a quantum jump time travel blip that brought in on board the quinjet Agent Sousa. Which version of Sousa did he ended up in the show a variant or the real thing? Agents of Shield, WandaVision, and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness isn't the only shows that have a season or 2 which revolves around the Darkhold. Behold the show Runaways season 3 that brought in Morgan Le Fey. Which bags the question did Wanda really destroy all the Darkholds or did she left one out and forgot about it? Even if she did, what's her intention keeping an eye on things and waiting for her time to make an appearance again? In the end of Multiverse of Madness she disappeared with that faint glow of red light. Is the show her next world to conquer or something? Where did Wanda go?

I want these shows to be remain canon, but at the same time I think they might as well be in a separate timeline at this point. At least the franchise is expanding with the multiverse. But what I want to know is will they keep some of the shows like Daredevil TV MA? I always thought Feige wasn’t a fan of mature content

I hope they bring back all the characters from Netflix shows, and bring the agent's of shield, and runaways, and other shows. Finally got a great actor playing daredevil, punisher, quake, and king pen.

Netflix should stay canon, AOS should be an alternate universe and the characters should come back in secret wars They should just say the end of daredevil and the other shows was before the snap

The way I see it, the MCU has shown that time travel makes alternate realities/timelines, and Season 5 makes a big time travel change and so everything Agents of Shield seasons 1-4 is canon to mainline MCU but somehow the time travel shenanigans in Season 5 means Thanos doesn't do the snap.

It is my hope that with Secret Wars happening and all this multiverse drama, what they end up doing is remix the canon main MCU timeline, basically kinda reset the universe, so this way they can re-include back into the main timeline whatever stuff they want and bring the actors they want back. It's obvious that at some point Marvel TV stuff stopped connecting with the main MCU, but I still hope for many of those shows and its characters/actors to be acknowledged, most especially Agents of SHIELD given how much it carried the Marvel TV side and really was like a testing ground for concepts and tones and styles that the Disney+ shows are doing now. And really, if Kevin Feige is willing to give the Inhumans show a nod with Anson Mount's return as Black Bolt, then I want to see AOS and other show characters make some returns in this multiverse saga. Even if they don't stay, I would love to just see them reappear to help in this ultimate fight.

This video unscrambled my mind and I cannot thank you enough good sir

Fantastic breakdown!!

I think SHIELD seasons 1-5 are canon because while the snap is not mentioned, it is likely that it ended just before the snap. As for 6-7, I think that they happen in a reality where all of the events of the MCU take place, all the shows and everything, EXCEPT Infinity War. I think the Defender-Verse is canon, along with the other shows. As for the Darkhold thing, I think Agatha made copies of the Earth-616 Darkhold to spread chaos (Radcliffe went insane after reading it and Aida broke her programming with a loop her original form would not find due to her programming), but we'll find out in Coven of Chaos, I hope.

Great video keep em up my dude ILY

Going by one of the current theories of time travel in fiction, there are always ripples when you time travel, you try to keep the problems to a minimum and hopefully the ripples won't change anything significant, however, the ripples in the timeline go in both directions. This would explain how Agents of SHIELD was canon then wasn't, they are on an alternate timeline due to their own meddling with time, the ripples went back to before their time travel.

Fitz explained the three multiverse theory in 30 seconds better than Endgame did in 2 hours.

All of them are

With the multi verse when Disney buys Warner (and by extension DC), and it will happen, we can get that JLA/Avenger movie. George Perez's cover from issue 4 is your poster.

GREAT video bro!

I'm a huge Agents Of SHIELD fan. In fact I'm about to dive into the "Framework" storyline. And I think these characters should have been showing up in the movies the whole time. I've heard that there was some kind of friction between Jeph Loeb and Kevin Feige which lead to AOS and the Netflix shows to be ignored by the movies on purpose.

yeah, as well Season seven of agents of SHIELD is basically time line shennanigans. I really loved it but the resolution of season 7 was the same used in End Game where they were protected in time by going in the micro dimention using Antman technology

I've always considered that Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Punisher; were during the five years that half of humanity was dusted. Even though it's not the case, I like to imagine that the people are either traumatized or feel like it's the new normal that half the world's population is gone. This will explain why Daredevil and Kingpin made appearances in the MCU. Agents of SHIELD was always connected to the MCU. I feel like, due to the time traveling and other supernatural events that occurred, it was why they were never dusted or perhaps were sent to another universe when the Avengers did their time traveling adventure and when they fixed everything, they returned to their original universe. I've only watched the Gifted, the Inhumans, and a few episodes of Cloak and Dagger, so it's a bit hard for me to try to add these shows in. Cloak and Dagger fits with the Defenders, which fits with the MCU, so they're not so hard, but it is kinda hard to determine the time since I haven't finished the series. As for the Gifted. It could fit within the five year gap, but there's way to many errors to be ignored. So in my opinion, I feel like it could fit better within the current MCU. As of now, the MCU is currently in the year 2024/2025. The last few movies and TV series were... Thor: Love and Thunder. Which took place mostly in Space with about a ten minute scene of Asgardians, in a village, in Norway, away from the "Humans." Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Which mostly took place in Wakanda and the Ocean. There was maybe about 5 minutes worth of footage that took place otherwise but it never showed us how people are. And Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. Which took place in Space. If we go back a little, we will see Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness; and Spider-Man: No Way Home. Which kept our main heros who could had interfere during the Gifted busy. Hawkeye, Falcon, and Winter Solider were busy with their own thing as well. From Ms Marvel, we know that Captain Marvel is (or was) in Space. The only available heros who could help were Antman and the Wasp.... But they recently had their own adventure in the Quantum Realm. So in my opinion, the Gifted fits perfectly within the current MCU while the Defenders takes place within the five year gap of the MCU, and agents of SHIELD ends the day the snap happened or right when everyone comes back. Whichever you think is better. I know there's two other shows, such as the Runaways and the New Mutants but I've haven't watched any episodes yet, so I don't know how to add them. As for the Ghost Rider tv show. I liked the show but since Agents of SHIELD has a Ghost Rider already, it makes no sense to try and fit the Ghost Rider(tv) into the MCU. If Marvel is careful, they could even fit the X-men and Fantastic 4(the 2005) movies into the MCU.

It isn't necessarily true that the Netflix shows never "mention" the marvel things luke cage, Jessica Jones etc directly mention the "green dude and his crew" we also see Matt Murdock in the MCU in both she hulk and Spiderman films, I have a theory that the Netflix street stuff just isn't notable and they don't care for the other meta humans (but it's very likely the defenders and MCU films are in the same universe, if not I'd say they are a different universe)

9:30 Sooo, in April of 2016, you saw Civil War in the theatre and you recognise Alfre Woodard from her role in Luke Cage. A show that wouldn't release until that September. Right.

Aaaaand you were wrong. They're officially, undeniably canon, like they were always advertised to be.

She-Hulk makes it clearer... or muddier.

I'm with you chole Bennett is just hot

I always thought they were all canon but just kept a bit separate to give them different feels from the rest of the MCU

Its all canon despite what Feige decides on a random Tuesday is in or out.

watch daredevil for sure

the agent carter show it's completely damaged by endgame's ending, unless that ending happens after the events of the show. but it would still be pretty fucked up due to peggy getting in a relationship with another dude. the netflix shows are not affected by the snap, that thing happens after all of those events.

Agent Carter always be cannon to me, it still fit perfectly for the mcu cannon, so i just gonna keep agent carter cannon, Netflix Marvel can still be cannon, Disney just have to announce about them being cannon, Agent Of Shield is probably only show that might not have a chances to get cannon

my head canon for agents of shield ...they are canon /on main timeline to 4 season in moment when they travel with white monolith and come back from future they actually jump to other branch where thanos coming but something happen and snap dont happen .. rest of seasons are on different timelines too and they end on whole different timeline where is mack director and where is coulson academy...AoS darkhold is newer copy exactly like agatas darkhold is copy of wundagore carvings.. agent 13 its just code name like others dont make sense give new numbers when someone left shield .. Laura Barton was 1st mockingbird and when left shield boby take her place as agent 13 and new mockingbird..

ALL OF THEM

Do you have a video of all these shows ranked?

LOved PEGGY Carter

in my head Canon Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S1-S7 Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D: SLINGSHOT Agents Carter Helstrom Runaways S1-S3 Cloak and Dagger S1-S2 Daredevil S1-S3 Jessica Jones S1-S2 Ironfist S1-S2 The Punisher S1-S2 Luke Cage S1-S2 The Defenders are all Canon, then I just consider INHUMANS are Canon from multiverse

I think the only non canon show is AOS from S5 onwards, given they messed with Time travel And maybe part of Runaways Other than that, No other show really contradicts the movies as they are very low stakes and and don't have world changing plots

anything but runaways please

The shows are canon. They're all in the MCU. The last 3 seasons of Agents may involve a branched timeline, but that's still canon. The rest is all in the same universe and timeline as the films. So many things you've said here are wrong.

They have always been MCU canon: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o6mSbLyivN-xYY0.html

The point is watch all of Tv Series then watch it without hoping it would be connected to main movie. Because the TV series is not bad at all😑. If u want it😑

wanted to see a snap reference

well i think the netflix shows are “canon canon” now but i think shows like agents of shield runaways and inhumans are just branched timelines. i also think agent carter is still canon because it doesnt contradict anything at all

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I guess Iron Man one and Incredible Hulk are in a different universe now? Since Rhodey and Bruce were re-cast?

I like to think they are canon but everyone is too busy to notice on what is going on. As for Mahershala Ali? Blade and Cottonmouth are twin brothers but where separated by birth and didn’t know each other existed…

You forgot to mention Peter Mensah who played General Joe Greller on The Incredible Hulk. And then Qovas in season 5 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. People use the time travel excuse. But they are not canon. I think they'll use the variant excuse. From what I'm hearing, Feige is just going to use the same actors. At least with Daredevil, Jessica Jones and The Punisher. Same actors, different versions. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. seasons 1 and 2, Agent Carter season 1 and Daredevil season 1 yes, that started out being canon. It stopped being canon in August of 2015. When Feige started reporting directly to Bob Iger. Noticed that after season 2, we don't see actors from the movies in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. And if we see any, is cause Feige had no plans for them. Like the president. Or the Hydra character that appeared in the first Avengers.

Personally I think Season 6 and 7 of Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. aren't Canon they can just say it was all a dream or something and after Season 5 they were incapacitated in ice or something

Canon - Daredevil Seasons 1-3, Jessica Jones Season 1, The Punisher Season 1, Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, Agents of Shield Season 3, 4, 5, Agent Carter Season 1 and 2, Wandavision, Loki Season 1 Non-Canon - Agents of Shield Season 1, 2, 6, and 7, Inhumans, The Defenders, Jessica Jones Season 2 and 3, The Punisher Season 2, Luke Cage, Iron-Fist, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, What If, Hawkeye, She-Hulk

Even though I was never on board with the show being Canon, and as much as I disliked the 1st half of agents of shield S1, and parts of S2, at least if you told me its canon when referring to just the 1st 2 seasons, id at least understand you and not call you wrong. but S3 and 4 feel very disconnected, as well as S5, until thanos is mentioned along with super vague attacks in NY that lead to nowhere And I'm sorry for fans of this show. BUT 50% OF THE UNIVERSE DIED, there was 10 of them is less than 7/1000, and from what little of the public appears, nobody seems sad and there's quite a few populated areas considering billions are almost immediately dead. This would be like in Clone Wars Season 7 if we still got the hints it took place around revenge of the S*** like Dooku being dead, but then completely ignored order 66

Cannon to what? The Marvel Comic Book, where all this begins, or The Thing that was made up by non-Marvel Fans for movie and TV purposes? To me, the cannon is Stan Lee Marvel. All others are non-cannon. These shows are telling true Marvel fans that they can turn someone else dream into their own. They have to be canon to the comic book nothing more or nothing less.

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