EckhartsLadder Factions compared and Versus are making a comeback and I couldn’t be more exited!

I am first to claim first daddi eck *is now gonna get screamed at by people in comments*

EckhartsLadder which faction has the best company commander?

EckhartsLadder I think Grand Admiral Thrawn is the best admiral, I totally agree with this list. Great Video btw

Grand Admiral Thrawn IS the best, nobody can dispute it as nobody can be better than him :P

XDDD

Blue man group lol

Yep, pretty much right.

Lol

I thought 2. Was a blueberry

I thought that aswell

Ikr?!

@@ilovedragons8374 *clears throat* Grand Admiral...

Cosmo 456 yup

Ironic

Aaron Virdee he could save others from death... but not himself

He pretty much was carrying the separatist army

Trench’s Downfall: no head

Thank you 😂

Thank you 😂

Thank you 😂

Thank you 😂

Thank you 😂

XepherTim I agree, Thrawn is op, but yularens mustache is amazing...

Same

To be fair thrawn is a grand admiral, the question was simply admirals soooo 🤷‍♂️ there is a debate for him to be even featured on this list, but out of everyone here he is the best no doubt

@New Bavaria almost right. Batonn

Lol

Bijna man

Oof

Ok wow...

show yourself out, you know where the door is

Lol

All you need is thrawn and ackbar. 2 cooperating fleets together against the entire galaxy Combining the rebel fleet diversity and effectiveness with the sheer power of the imperial ISD and thrawn’s brain, and you get a duo that could conquer the universe

Yularen would ruin it

Christ imagine Trench up in there too

Need we bring Revan against them?

Well to be fair they would partially try to kill each other in most situations :)

The Silver Dragon Legendary comment

9 ISDs and a blue boi

9 ISDs and one blue boi, as long as said blue boi has some sculptures and an art history book.

Blue boi 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It seems like you don't know who I am...

Or he could just be a cannibal? As a large portion of fish are

Genius!!

OMFG is true, in my opinion is the best almirant

What is I just eat Ackbar?

I've seen this line of thought before. It's a dangerous thing. It makes people think things like: 'Cats have four legs / My dog has four legs / So my dog is a cat'.

Well, he lives longer in canon than in legends lol. So don't be too sad.

Zachary Crane why? It's just a movie, who cares?

The first rule of the Last Jedi is that we don't talk about the Last Jedi!

AJ Jones I whole heartedly agree

AJ Jones no people who actually like a majority of star wars should overlook the moaners on the last Jedi and all the other star wars things Disney has made and what would star wars look like if the moaners got there way?

But ackbar gets the last laugh

Thrawn: This list is so artistically done

exactly!!!

Very true, and sad

he was but unstoppable if not for plot armour

Yes fuckin plot armor is so goddammit stupid

No plot = Thrawn has world dominance

Temporal Wake she’s literally a purple haired feminazi😂

Holdo is just a libtard

Captain Gender Studies you mean?

@@ScoutTrooperTK And you are canon fodder.

@@angelicalynn1259 At least my generals weren't mentally challenged

Did they actually? 😂

Tarif Id like to see a battle between thrawn and trench’s forces

Justin. Y. Yea, trench is gone.

@@duke359 k

Spider guy - its admiral trench

Мастер Круто killed by Anakin LOL

as it should be

Cheems *a small price to pay for salvation.*

@@DrPhil-hz4up cringe meme on a cringe account but I'll let it slide for approving my opinion

@@schwany6703 its treason then

I think we can all agree it would be better if it didn't

Captain Cutter "not simply there battle tactics, but their history, philosophy, art."

Captain Cutter, Love that quote man

"It's a trap!" Sorry. I couldn't remember any quotes that haven't been previously mentioned.

"But it was so artistically done."

“Putting something in quotation marks automatically makes it profound.”

Who the fuck did you think was smarter than Thrawn?

Ix skill 97 ix, trench was a little close to him but thrawn is easily #1

@@ef-5tornado495 nah bro. Trench wasn't even close. While trench, yularen and ackbar will work on a strategy to win a battle, thrawn will find a strategy to win the whole fucking war just by studying art lol

Quaka, true

@o o f Yep, he is truly evil and a genius

Yes, but it goes further, as the reason he’s better than the others is that he’s as good at strategy and he is at tactics, thus he can run an entire navy, while the others really only could be effective running a fleet.

thrawn didnt really seek power for himself, he wanted power to stop the yuuzan vhong which is a threat that cannot even be concieved by the whole galaxy at the time, in his own word " between the two evil, one is still keeping the galaxy stable. and he also knew that when the empire falls the lives of most people in the galaxy would be worst and he was right, when the new republic took over, they only cared to protect key system leaving other system under constant pirate attacks and other criminalsmost of the outer rim systems fell into caos, when thrawn restablished the empire under his rule, he was a benevolent king, he cared for his people. the only proble though is that palpatine planed everything including thrawns death so palpatine can return as soon as thrawn died. thrawn would have been the perfect emperor to rule the galaxy under his new empire. how sad that he died. admiral ackbar may be kinder but thrawn is better, thats just my opinion though, but ofcourse admiral ackbar is a great admiral and a great person too, those two admirals are the only reason I like star wars.

why couldn't he be the one to kamikaze the first order? rip );

The_DwarvenSquirrel do you really want a guy named "akbar" to do a suicide attack?

Mascamuelas Smith Yes. It would be beautiful.

Ackbar in Legends: Died 29 ABY; Ackbar in Canon: Died 34 ABY. In the Last Jedi Novelization, a passage from Ackbar's perspective indicates that he's well past his retirement age.

Letting Leia die would've resolved the issue of an actress not being alive to play that role anymore. And letting Ackbar be the one to suicide run the Supremacy would've spared us that insufferably incompetent Holdo. Poe did nothing wrong!

Bel iblis

JTR when i saw it I thought “ehem sir mandalor”

Admiralbe

Any sane person would agree when I say that Thrawn wins

Did he really lol

@@HenryBoss-ym4ol He bought it as a piece of art after he died

@Keegan Key general kenobi

Oh cool I wish they showed that in rebels

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ethan hatcher same

Did the same for Trench XD

Same for Trench. It's near unfair to put Thrawn in here, so I basically voted for "besides Thrawn, who's the best admiral" lol I know that's a bit against the point, but we ALL know Thrawn is overall just the best.

Mithrawnuruodo general kenobi

General Solo? Not to pick holes or anything, but I reckon I'd see him as a pilot over an admiral.

At the Imperial Academy, his superiors considered him better suited for a career on a ship's bridge but all he wanted was to fly. He proved at the command of Mon Remonda (in Solo Command novel) that they were not completely wrong.

Grevious

Greivous was more of a warrior imo, with his droids he just sent them forwad due to their zerg rush style and numbers, he wasn't that strategical.

I follow your thoughts, Grand Admiral.

One of the only imperials I would not want to annoy.

@@samp8542 I would think you would try not to annoy any imperials...

@@inciner8_playz194 okay, Thrawn, Vader, palpatine, and any member of the shadow guard more so than others

Bruh you got eaten by a space wale and your a blue berry

In a battle to the death, not even close. In the position of leading armies against the other, I agree it'd be close. Grievous specializes in ambush tactics that even Jedi had trouble dealing with, and Thrawn's specialty is turning his enemy's strengths into weaknesses. Grievous' early history would be difficult for Thrawn to get ahold of, but if he figured it out he'd play him like chiss harp.

Honestly it depends on how much resources each side has. Depends on when we’re putting them against one another . If Legends Grievous is at the beginning of TCW, and Thrawn is at the beginning of the Thrawn Trilogy, then hands down Thrawn wipes the floor with Grievous. But the end of TCW Grievous with an entire fleet backing him? Even Thrawn would have a tough time I feel

@@ShadyOakMinistries I meant it in the sense of leading armies of course, Thrawn isn't a physical fighter. I think Grievous's aggressive yet clever tactics would give Thrawn more of a run for his money as opposed to desperate Rebel guerillas, but I'm sure he could at a certain point see what makes Grievous click as well. Especially if he has gotten to study Kaleesh culture and their art of war.

I think the main problem with grievous is that he had really shitty troops (droids) if he had a competent army he would’ve been a bigger threat

Legends Grievous is more of a land general and hes great but hes also a fairly good Admiral. I give Thrawn the naval advantage but you cant put legends Grievous vs Thrawn in a land battle anyway Thrawn is purely an admiral.

same

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Jordan Hendrix pull up!!! 😁😁😁

Why is your *y* so small

Ivan Filipovic doesn’t make him any less of a dumbass

Hux is a general not an admiral.

For the price of a cup of coffee, you can end General Hux abuse today.

Hux was actually really smart, it’s not his fault he was forced to fight characters with plot armour

Also, Holdo gets hate, but she was hardly incompetent. It’s just _The Last Jedi_ portrayed her as a b*tch

Rip Ackbar: you deserved more screen time. Hoping for Ackbar: a Star Wars Story

Kennedy's propaganda, not buying it. Ackbar died of old age during Yuuzhan Vong Invasion. I just prefer Legends approach instead of "Oh, by the way, Ackbar died. So here's what's-her-face to replace him... don't ask her what the plan is, she won't tell anyway. Have fun dying" Ugh. Sorry, had to let it out.

Damnit Disney no on likes you

Ackbar had ten minutes of screen time in the entire original trilogy, and a bit more in the Clone Wars. He wasn’t all that important to the general public, and didn’t really need a dramatic slow-motion sad music death scene. I think it’s actually good that he died like that. I’m not saying I didn’t like how he died in Legends, I think that’s a very good thing that he’s among one of the few characters who died peacefully. But his death in Canon isn’t bad at all. It reminds us that we are watching something actually happening, not just a fictional story where the will of the fans rules all. It reminds us that anyone can die at any moment, and it brings a lot more realism and weight to the story.

Yes, i think Its really good how He died in canon, it just shows that anyone can die, no matter how much important he is, And i think it Will be ok if He died like that, but i thought He Will fight atleast one Battle, when He Will be commanding whole fleet to the Victory. And die like Hero, Now in canon, He just died while running away, i think He deserved more heroic death. He doesnt need to die slowly with sad music, or ramming raddus into Supremacy, And saving everyone, just a heroic death

Grand Admiral Dragon one I’m current reading Dark Force Rising.

Grand Admiral Dragon one dude just too the empire is some lot books of also recommend reading THRAWN by the same author its also really good

Really, naval puns.

Agreed!!!

Does legends count?

The feeling I got from the Thrawn trilogy was that Zahn started from the writing prompt: "What if Sherlock Holmes was an Imperial admiral?" Being an expert sleuth is the central aspect of his character, which fuels his other tactical skills. A lot of adaptations of him miss that, I think. The other thing is that he's also not quite as godlike as generally thought by fans, he made quite a few mistakes, including placing far too much reliance on an obviously compromised agent (Niles Ferrier) who had failed him many times before.

rebels thrawn sucks

I think rebels thrown would still win this contest. Even with plot armour demand he lose often, he didn’t ever feel like he properly lost. With things like the bendu and pergil, they were unpredictable and unreactable. Every other ‘defeat’ was usually the rebels escaping, thrawn being called away by something bigger, or small bases he didn’t personally command.

It's funny you say that, because Timothy Zahn was on the writing team to help with Thrawn's entire character including lines

Jonas Hemmingsson Imagine what HE could have done with MORE than just 9...

Imagine what he could have done if he had more power than Tarkin, the ability to go through with his Tie Defender project instead of the stupid deathstar. He wouldn't have been cocky or relied on fear, but he would have sent a stronger message by outskilling and outthinking anyone who tried. Also the ffact that he doesnt kill logical, order following officers like Captain Needa or whatever who got killed for letting Solo escape when he didn't do anything wrong. Kill people like Admiral Konstantine in rebels would've made sense though. I'd love to be a captain in Thrawns fleet because i'd learn so much.

@@Masa6x dude the only reason that thrawn works with the empire is because of Anakin Skywalker and thrawn became great friends before Darth Vader was a thing

master hacker I think you’re thinking of Tarkin, not Thrawn.

@@heatherrwins2795 no both of them were friends

Hmmmm you have made 1 mistake thrown deserves number 0

GlitchyMarioStar64 thrawn died before the battle of Endor

@@clonetrooper3177 He didnt die

Clone Trooper Let’s be fair that was due to the Mcguffens known as The Force and some random space whales that can somehow go into hyperspace while making engine noises. This was not a defeat worthy of being Thrawn’s end.

Thrawn is by far the best commander so long as we’re going by the EU (and even with Didney Canon he’s still a damn fine strategist). Ukio was a juggernaut of fortifications and my bluegga took it with optical illusions and some art pieces.

same

He is the main reason I'd be convinced to join the Empire. To hell with Palpatine and his man-child Vader. Those two can jerk each other off.

Really 😮

Thrawn wins hell yea he's the best

So, kinda like WW1 Germany

@@handleonafridge6828 That was just a quagmire of tangled political alliances

Its more like plot that Didn't favor him, the chances of him having a call for his gamble is higher than his enemies. Although I would understand why ot happened to him...

OK, now this is his official name for me.

Seriously, I agree that Trench does deserve third place, but I gotta give some respect. That dude was outplayed by Anakin and instead of running like a coward or blaming his droid crew, he tried to analyze a solution and then ultimately decided to accept his fate.

Also Trench was responsible for Order 66 working! If he didn't analyze the battlefield when Tup fired the Jedi General, the Republic would've probably did the necessary researches without the separatists knowing and they would've probably discovered the inihibitor chip inside the clones' head, avoiding the mass Jedi genocide that happened in Revenge of the Sith. Chancellor Palpatine would've surely tried his best to cover the secret, but he would've still lost much more precious time if he didn't get immediately informed by Dooku who was informed by Trench. So yeah, in the long run you might say Admiral Trench was partially responsible for the fall of the Jedi Order and the Republic

Jordan Hendrix you will not regret it.

One of the best if not the best of the eu

Eck convinced me too. I’ll be checking it out as soon as I get the chance.

And after your done the EU Thrawn trilogy, I’d also suggest the new Canon trilogy. In some ways the new Thrawn trilogy is better than the old because we get to see the story from his side, even sometimes from in Thrawn’s head. In the EU trilogy it always felt like we were on the outside looking in at Thrawn’s brilliance.

@@speed150mph I didn't know there was a 3rd canon book on Thrawn. I've read the first two and they were great. When did the 3rd book get published and what's its title?

You are no alone! I thought the same

You don’t like pompous turds like Nek’Bwatu? Lol My favorite would definitely be Thrawn. He’s just too calm and cool. Am I the only one that didn’t like his voice in Rebels though? I always imagined it would sound like Jason Issacs.

xxcrysiscgx _ in some ways palpatine is smarter

Possibly anakin, well maybe not outsmart but I think Anakin could surprise thrawn simply because of his insane rediculous tactics thrawn would likely know Anakin is gonna pull something crazy but I don't think hed predict exactly what

xxcrysiscgx _ obviously jar jar

Well... after 3 hours of searching I found your answer... N O B O D Y

xxcrysiscgx_. YOU SPEAK LIES NO ONE CAN OUTSMART GRAND ADMRIL THRAWN

Agreed

Does anyone agree with me?

It’s a good idea, but there aren’t many options for ground commanders, at least ones who have feats to speak of. I can think of Veers for the Empire and Grievous for the CIS, but I can’t think of anyone else off the top of my head.

Bookhead714 Han or Leia for the Rebels, and Captain Rex for the Republic.

Halo is just too advanced, The expanse is really realistic(at least earlier in the series) with all the techs being realistically possible while Halo has alot more tech thats less realistic and more powerful. Also ship size is a major thing, the Donnager is just slightly larger a halberd, and is dwarfed by a Halcyon.

I think you underestimate the Expanse-or rather overestimate the UNSC. Most of the really crazy stuff in Halo comes from the Covenant and Forerunners. Aside from artificial gravity and advanced AI, both sides operate on the same ideas: heavy armor, speed, and the same core weapons of missiles, mass-drivers, and point-defense; PD in the Expanse is actually good enough that the idea of “starfighters,” is bogus. Both sides fire in heavy volleys to overwhelm PDC and both have access to nuclear warheads. I would argue that in ways, Donnager makes up differences: she doesn’t have an AI, but her rails are on turrets and fire far faster, for example. The Expanse and pre- and mid-war UNSC are a better fight than you think.

I am not overestimating the UNSC, I have numerous feats to compare and the UNSC always comes out on top. First off, ship speed - Prewar ships were capable of making it from the edge of a solar system to a inner planet it mere hours with sublight engines(This was likely a smaller system though, but still the distance from the belt or jupiter to mars or earth), this means that the halo has much more powerful reactors and engines. Onto railguns, the UNSC used their Magnetic accelerator cannon(MAC) as their primary weapon, it accelarated an object to extremely high speeds(above 1000km/s), imparting so much energy that the ship had to burn it's engines to compensate for the momentum. Hits were known to completly destroy a non-shielded ship, and with ships with shields they were known to knock them off course. They also used smaller faster firing railguns for Point defense. The only advantage I see for the expanse is their torpedoes, which can easily be taken out by PD. A single hit from the mac will completely destroy the donnager, even if it's a glancing blow. I love both the expanse and Halo but Halo tech is just far more powerful due to it not being constrained by realism, while the expanse is.

Here’s one better: UNSC infinity vs an executor class star destroyer

He had help for a time from C'Baoth's clone who used the force on several occasions to enhance Thrawn's fleet in several battles.

TESI303 I wouldn’t be too concerned. There is still time. Timothy Zahn with his new Thrawn novel trilogy, and Dave Filoni with the Star Wars Rebels cartoon have set it up perfectly for a Return of Thrawn in the future. With the introduction of a new grave threat to the universe (the Grisks) we could even have Thrawn on our side instead of being the villain to be slain

@@speed150mph I would not want to see Thrawn side with the Rebels. The Galactic Empire, under the new military command is different to that of Palpatine.

If you look in the smart part of your brain you’ll say thrawn

@@Olivia_Hedges lmao

This is nova leader, checking in

I don't like Trench's species, because they look like spiders.

First they introduce a species based on one of my favorite animals, then they never use that species again, thanks Disney

And yet Ackbar was killed like a piece of trash in the last movie, and the rebel 'leaders' looked like they were dressed for a cocktail party and worrying about 'running out of fuel' in space which has zero resistance and then Leia literally does a Superman through space. That movie did massive damage to Star Wars.

I think Yularen is better than Ackbar

Please Respect People opinions

Michima it’s all about that acceleration, the first order would’ve been able to see overtake the resistance. That’s why fuel is still important, other than that I agree

Grand Admiral Thrawn Good Day, Grand Admiral. How fares the hunt for the Rebel Scum?

Do you dare to do like you are Thrawn? I'm Dead. Palleon knows it.

Grandadmiral...? Do you dare to english right? Or even use spaces

The Granddad Miral Thrawn faction? Never heard of it. The Grand Admiral Thrawn faction is where the best admiralizing happens.

Grand Admiral Thrawn, Lol

Pretty average bud!

EckhartsLadder Well that’s nice to hear!

EckhartsLadder could be worse

Patrick Mieslinger Have you watched Star Wars Rebels?

@@kreia187 got news for you buddy

that was how he was beaten in rebels and now ahsoka will be hunting him in her spinoff since hes alive.

Thrawn would have quite an issue on his hands. He wins because he knows his enemy, and he knows what they’re going to do. But he’s never fought old Jedi before, and their unorthodox tactics and especially Anakin’s tendency to make everything up as he goes, he will have a very hard time countering them.

Anakin would win cause the force, I don't think thrawn would have any asset at his disposal to take out Anakin if hes in a fighter and enraged,Anakin could just blow up the bridge hell and if that does not work he can land on the ship and just fight his way through the ship destroying everything no """force"" needed, he has such high pain tolerance in a prolonged fight with thrawn Anakin would prob win

That's why I said that I want them compared as strategists, not physical combatants. Anakin and Obi-wan can cause plenty of trouble with just their plans and orders. No lightsabers required.

well if the strategy is "ill come up with something" that's pretty hard to counter

I subbed him at around 30k subs.

Or something you cant possibly predict like the space whales

Out of the blue haha

Legends Thrawn is a Mary Sue.

Why dont you read this Lockjaw and see if Thrawn lost this battle. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Atollon And Thrawn dose not understand the force as you know full well so it isnt stupid that he lost.

MrMcp1995 it's Gary stue for men and thrawn was a Gary stue that worked plus thrawn had his linits it has been shown in legends that he could only due so much thrawn qeustioned wether he would win at bill bringi he

MrMcp1995 plus everyone loved that thrawn was this nearly unbeatable tactical genius it hooked the readers of the thrawn triliogy and legends fans it made him such a good bad guy

Thrawn was smart in rebels his men were just stupid , and he didnt die btw