Which suspension is the best choice? Legend | Progressive shocks | Motorcycle Shock

Which suspension is the best choice? Legend | Progressive shocks | Motorcycle Shock | Legends

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4 жыл бұрын

Which shocks/suspensions are the best for your motorcycle? We are talking with Brian today at Denney's Harley-Davidson about suspension.
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@chopperguy6661 4 жыл бұрын

The sick part of it is all these shocks are way overprice, you can buy good coilovers for a sports car, for all four corners for less than two on a harley

@kellysunseri-adams8550 3 жыл бұрын

The price difference is because they manufacture way more car parts than motorcycle parts....

@jerryvelasco1474 3 жыл бұрын

I'm saying. 😒

@budfans 4 жыл бұрын

for the price of a harley they should already come with premium suspension.. you shouldn't have to dump another grand to get good front and rear suspension

@trapdoorspider9211 4 жыл бұрын

True ducati come with ohlins. And ohlins are currently the best as its currently doing the best in moto gp

@cecet5534 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, but depending on how you ride you’ll need to change out all Oem shocks.

@petitflocon647 4 жыл бұрын

Don't buy a Harley then and just stfu.

@budfans 4 жыл бұрын

@@petitflocon647 someone is triggered why so angry because you dumped thousands into a overpriced bike

@JustcallmePOOH 4 жыл бұрын

Agree!

@shanemccaffrey5570 2 жыл бұрын

Ohlins is the best. Used both of these and sold them for ohlins. Best money I've spent on my sg

@jonk5407 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the education, I'm currently in the same situation and really appreciate y'all taking the time to explain.

@jasonbreedlove495 3 жыл бұрын

I went with Progressive 944 on my 14 Limited, have kept them on my 17 SGS. Legends wasn't as mainstream when I upgraded. Love the ride of these shocks, it gives me a better footing at stops and while riding distance or digging into corners it feels alot more stable and tight. Both shocks are going to be 10x better than the stock ones.

@mikedanaher3413 4 жыл бұрын

Russ Wernimont shocks is another great option for a Bagger. They are the king in off road suspension. They now build shocks for Harley Davidson Motorcycles.

@vetta17 4 жыл бұрын

Legend's for sure! Best thing I've ever done to my bike

@Jim_Berry 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve had Legend Revo A’s for 2 years and love them!!

@bobberguy1 4 жыл бұрын

Customer shouldn't pay 25-30k for a bike and immediately spend 1k for shocks.

@msmith1935 4 жыл бұрын

bobberguy1 customer shouldnt pay 25-30k for a bike

@martincvitkovich724 4 жыл бұрын

most don't and the ones for 25-30k have excellent shocks

@Tredwayj 4 жыл бұрын

Owning a Harley is a lot about customizing your ride. The stock suspension really isn’t bad especially for what it was made for. A lot of us are doing suspension b. You know what? You are absolutely correct. I’m not saying they need to have Ohlins like Ducati but damn it’s supposed to be know for it’s plush riding. INDIAN is the brand putting FOX from the factory. H-D wake up. I would change suspension because I want a performance bagger. And some are doing that but the factory suspension is a joke. What is it 2.5” of travel or something? Just poor for a 30 thousand dollar machine. I own one and love it but can see it’s shortcomings also at least for the price.

@mojomanmurph1925 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, they made a deal with Brembo for brakes and they need to make a deal with Legend for suspension.

@fourftr 4 жыл бұрын

bobberguy1 I see your point but when it comes to Motorsports whether it’s Motorcycle, Cars, ATV etc.etc., each brand model has it price point and all the higher performance parts are going to cost more money. Bottom line, if you want the upgrades your going to pay.

@dougburrell 2 ай бұрын

I just put Progressive HD 412's on my 94 Wide Glide. I'm 250 wife is 130. I have them on the 2nd setting. What an amazing difference then the old albeit worn out stock Harley shocks.

@graywolfhd 4 жыл бұрын

I have the Legend Revo A in the rear and the Legend Axeo inserts for up front. I love them!!!!

@defiant4698 4 жыл бұрын

I put the Legend Revo A on mine early this year and love them! Wish I'd done it sooner.

@fililoboesparza5784 4 жыл бұрын

I went with Shotgun Shock’s for my HD Air Ride love it!!

@browndaddy9908 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the ideas.

@darwinortiz6394 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpful info thx for sharing.

@tomjgivens 4 жыл бұрын

I put a set of REVO-A on my street bob and it's the best shock I've ever had, they are great shocks.

@4Evr_Cruzn 4 жыл бұрын

Like them both, but been leaning toward Legends shocks. Liked what Brian said, "Take them out for an hour, and if you don't like them will give your money back towards a different purchase." Lifetime warranty is great too. Initial cost up front, but never have to buy another shock again, which will be cheaper in the long run...if you keep your bike. Also great information on air shocks, and keeping it real too. Explaining how they where the top of the line back then. TJ, Steph, and Brian thanks for an awesome, and informative video. Really liked the light humor between TJ and Brian, and Steph commentary with light humor in the background was a bonus.

@robert6869 4 жыл бұрын

2016 Road King. Put Revo A on the rear...love it! The very next week, put Axeo on the front (Sept 2019). Best money I have spent on this bike! Totally changes the ride. Can’t believe I road 20,000 miles without this upgrade. No more weaving around man hole covers...it’s like they are not there anymore. Also, cornering is much better. Hands down to Legend!

@emeraldcitycarpenter 4 жыл бұрын

I’m running the Legend Revo-A in the rear and the AXEO in the front. I couldn’t be happier.

@brianhile1380 4 жыл бұрын

I have the same set up on my RG and Legends installed them! The ride and the handling is spot on!!!

@slyguyaction 4 жыл бұрын

Same here. Amazing stuff 👍🏻

@fltmike 4 жыл бұрын

EmeraldCityCarpenter that’s what I run as well on a 2015 road glide big upgrade from stock👍👍👍

@BlueCollarGovernment 3 жыл бұрын

@@brianhile1380 I looking at doing the same to mine. Is it really worth the money? I like asking people who use or have tried stuff like this.

@brianhile1380 3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarGovernment I would definitely do it again. I can really see the difference in the handling through the corners.

@markflaherty7960 4 жыл бұрын

I just got the Legend Revo A for my 2016 CVO LIMITED. Night and day better than the air ride. My wife loves them. I've ridden on full out construction roads with humps and jumps. The only thing you feel is the front and the rear soaks it up. AWESOME RECOMMEND FULLY!!

@OZARKSHDRIDERS 4 жыл бұрын

The ORNERY ONE you, Brian and Hannah was having a great time Brother, damn I left Denny's to soon yesterday, keep rockin Brother 💯

@TwoWheelsBigLife 4 жыл бұрын

Great info.

@performancebagger3506 2 жыл бұрын

Very impressed with the 412 Series Progressive rear coil overs we installed on 2021 RGS #performancebaggin build!

@robertschauer4281 4 жыл бұрын

great video of explaining the shocks

@ocglide2566 4 жыл бұрын

I have the Legends Revo (not Revo A) on my 2019 Road Glide Special, what a difference they made in the ride. Well worth the price. I discussed the difference between the Revo and the Revo A with the folks at Revzilla and they didn't think the rebound adjustment was really needed on a heavy touring bike. Going with the standard Revo saves about $200.00 and is a notable improvement over the stock Harley Shock.

@shoto95 Жыл бұрын

That’s what I did too

@tybosports 4 жыл бұрын

I have just the Revo and it's a huge difference over the stock air ride. Especially when you picked them up for over $100 off.

@gregmonhollen4327 3 жыл бұрын

I just bought the Revo A’s for my 2021 love them

@razzrasmussen5773 4 жыл бұрын

Great video and thanks for informing. Became a subscriber. Looking forward to more. Hooorah

@theohlinsguy4649 4 жыл бұрын

It would be nice to see force vs absolute velocity dyno graphs on these shocks.

@razz6877 4 жыл бұрын

I put legend revo coil adjustable 724 . Saved the 200 . Shocks are still adjustable for rider and passenger . All are correct they should have a better shock for cost of bike . I have a 16 RG special . The legend have extended my ride time and made life so good on the bike now. Normal bumps are not even felt anymore . After checking with ohlins , progressive and legend and talking with techs at 3 dealerships and revzilla all recommended legend as best ride for my style . Couldn't be happier . 724 not cheap but by far my best upgrade ! Ride safe

@MatlockMoto 4 жыл бұрын

Legend Revo-A is badass, but their Aero-A is better. Much easier to adjust for when you’re riding solo, with a passenger, with or without a tour pack, etc. Smoothest ride ever. And don’t forget the Axeos for the front. 👌🏽😎👍🏽

@jackr.4119 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info...

@jasonritter2492 4 жыл бұрын

My Street Glide has the Legend Revo ARC Remote Reservoir shocks and their $1400.00 plus install but the best shock ever rode on. My custom built bike has Progressive adj coil overs and it's bad as around town and riding a few hrs straight. I haven't rode them any further. The money the Legend cost I'd only buy is riding for long rides like trips. I like the videos and you guys are badass..

@mikebigbrojohnson8047 4 жыл бұрын

That was very helpful. I prefer old school self built Bikes instead of factory built. Ride Hard Bobber Chopper style I guess is how I would describe it. Light and Low. Loud and Proud.

@1000alb2 4 жыл бұрын

I have there. shock and adjusting them isn't easy as adjusting the factory shocks. I have the 944s that came with the bike. 2014 Ultra limited. Im loving on offer for the factory ones. I switch back and forth with 1 and 2 up and don't like taking the bags off every time to change the set up. Good informative video.

@mikehall526 4 жыл бұрын

I put burly slammer plus shocks on my '19 RGS. It made a world of difference.

@nathankeele3072 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome thanks for sharing love to know about shocks thanks 😍😍👍👍🇳🇿🇳🇿

@vincentmcclain9307 4 жыл бұрын

My 2010 Road glide custom Progressives in the front 440 progressive coil overs rear .It really slinks the twisties However when I had the mono from and OEM air rear I think it maybe rode better. My wife’s 2017 RGS with 10,000 miles took it out one day horrible and I could not dial it in went and got her a set Of Legend Revo a’s really big dif, easy to dial in .Thanks for reviews for humans

@oldrover3007 5 ай бұрын

I put a Legends in my 22 Street Bob one season ago and it was definitely the best way to go since I already have a Bad Back . I could see the difference immediately from the stock one with 3500 miles. 👍

@jeffhoward553 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys, have been wondering about what to buy, guys like me, this will be one time buy, so I what to make my money go as far as I can, so the buy for me would be the legends shocks, even they may cost a lot, but down the road, it’s the Best Buy thanks guys, great video

@CDLNEPA 4 жыл бұрын

I have been looking into upgrading the shocks and fork set up on my bike in the near future. Been thing about both Progressive and Legend

@bobbyparson9229 4 жыл бұрын

I got Legends. DREAM RIDE....

@dipppincanuck 4 жыл бұрын

I just picked up an 18 RGS with the same setup, can't say enough about Legends,

@billhoffman6746 4 жыл бұрын

I had Legends installed on my Harley tri gulid and it made so much of a better ride. The cost is going to be over a $1,000 with sales tax. And labor to install them and the set up took a little bit on and off the trike to get the preload set right $225. To install The trike road like shit beat you up all day and made me think about going back to my road king. My service man at our HD shop told me they be money well spent and he was right on. Best thing I put on my trike.

@jshingler5284 4 жыл бұрын

Before you decide check out Pro Action. I almost bought the Ohlins but after talking to both at Sturgis it is hands down Pro Action. Made in USA. Twice the recommended miles before a rebuild is needed. The owner used to be Ohlins race tech at the track. He knows what makes a good shock. He installed and tuned them to me and my load befor I purchased. If you do like them he puts the originals back on and no charge. Love them. Oh and my Progressive were good at first and junk in 25,000 miles. Never again.

@jshingler5284 4 жыл бұрын

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@LatinoRider 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting video, I am looking for new rear suspension for my bike. Cool video, big like 👍.

@johnnybotello4304 11 ай бұрын

The ending was glorious lol

@kevinoconnor2921 2 ай бұрын

A tasty recipe for a bagger suspension, from experience, on a 2012 FLTRU is.... REVO-A's on the rear, & RACETECH "Cartridge Emulators" up front. -No more "fairing dive", & "tight" in the corners. Been running the REVO-A's since they were 1st introduced at Sturgis, & haven't looked back.

@raycrazyraysplace4472 4 жыл бұрын

Out of ALL the options you have on that bike, the BEST option you have is that sweet lady that sits behind you. I'm 70 and I know best. Take care of that option.

@robb8773 3 жыл бұрын

For both progressive and legend, How can you easily adjust the pre-load when need to increase it for heavyier load? Do you have to remove the saddlebag? Do you need a tool.

@46mech 2 жыл бұрын

Russ Wernimont Designs RS-1. Excellent product and worth every penny.

@chopperguy6661 4 жыл бұрын

Russ weirnimont is another shock company not sure i spelled it correctly. Hes been building shocks for racing offroad and developed shocks for harleys.

@erikjensen6503 4 жыл бұрын

Legends all the way and swap the front with legends Axeo! Best money on my 15 SG!

@richardedwin5980 4 жыл бұрын

Ohlins is the ABSOLUTE best. I've tried them ALL and I got the Ohlins HD159's and they smoke the others!!!!

@robertpolkamp 4 жыл бұрын

The 159 are for the King and Glides, what's available for the Dyna?

@dariocuter5692 4 жыл бұрын

of course they smoke all other, if the price of the öhlins dont smoke you or your wallet your a very happy man👍🏻

@RRoosa 3 жыл бұрын

Purchased Legend Revo A shocks for my 2019 HD SGS. The ride is day and night from the stock HD adjustable shocks. Ride is notably smoother.

@rickyhawkins7407 4 жыл бұрын

Any updated reviews on these shocks?Leaning towards a set for my 17 RG Spl, that still has stock rear shocks. I have had back surgery and looking for a set of shocks that will allow me to ride all day again without the horrible jolt in bumps that the stock shocks cause. Thanks in advance.

@paulrevere4326 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video bra!

@grootsgracemission 3 жыл бұрын

I don’t argue that Legends are a great brand, however reaching out to them in SD for advice is like reaching out to a rock, crickets. So Progressive Heavy Duties it is.

@WillyDaC 3 жыл бұрын

For the price, they better be freakin magic. This is nothing but an ad for Legends.

@marvingodwin828 4 жыл бұрын

Take a minute before you buy and go take a look at JRI Shocks. They are out of Mooresville NC. I have them on my Electra glide and I think they are amazing. They're also 100% American made. From what I'm seeing with the Legend shock, the JRI's have more adjustability. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

@petedetects7012 2 жыл бұрын

I have the air shocks on my 2016 RGultra , they are horrible. It seems like ever processeding year a better shock comes out. Whats the best one for 2022 , I need the upgrade bad lol . Thanks for sharing. Big Mex from central California

@josephgalligher1058 4 жыл бұрын

You can’t talk about shocks and at least not bring up Ohlins..... just my opinion 🤷‍♂️

@MrBluoct 4 жыл бұрын

Joseph Galligher 🤘

@jamesburrowes3552 4 жыл бұрын

Or RWDs

@EFXLIFE 4 жыл бұрын

$1000 shocks? I hope the have gold nuggets inside of them

@markflaherty7960 4 жыл бұрын

Revo A comes in a 12" or 13" The 13" adds a half inch to the seat but adds 1" more travel

@kevinmccarthy8062 4 жыл бұрын

Legend also has an air shock Aero-A-FLH. What is your opinion of those shocks?

@gwattsjr 4 жыл бұрын

If you get a chance please ask them if they’ve compared the difference between the REVO-A and the REVO ARC Remote Reservoir. I’ve been going back and forth between the two and wondering if the REVO ARC is worth the extra money.

@woofersd2383 4 жыл бұрын

Which ever shocks, your getting the biggest discount on. Once I started playing with the factory shocks on my 17 RGU, not sure I’d change.

@timdavis8154 4 жыл бұрын

Another utuber had progressive shocks and changed to legend shocks. He said there was no comparison. The legends were superior.

@uberDoward 3 жыл бұрын

You got that link? Just got Progressive monotube cartridges for the fronts AND the 422s for the rear for $600 on Amazon. Vs $750 for JUST the fronts ('04 Softy) - just wondering if the Legends are really 2-3x the performance (front and rear) vs the Progressives?

@jonnymac8925 3 жыл бұрын

I run progressive 490s and a adjustable monotube cartridge in front. I have riden bikes with both progressive and legend shocks, along with Ohlins. The Progressive 490s and Legend Revos are VERY similar, and if someone is saying they are "a huge upgrade" it is because someone gave them a set of shocks and some money to say so. They are both amazing shocks, but the price difference with very little if any performance difference does it for me. If I was going to spend the amount that the Legends cost, I would just go with Ohlins instead, since they are a better performing shock than both the Progressive and Legends, at the same price or close to it as the Legends. I think some people just ride the hype train when it comes to certain upgrades (tbars, seats, shocks). Don't get me wrong, the Legends are amazing but they aren't blowing their competition out of the water.

@teig.3385 4 жыл бұрын

I suggest Ohlins also.

@wyomatt 3 жыл бұрын

Tei G. Can i ask why? I have HD lowering air shocks and the ride is unacceptable. It al,oat wants to throw you off crossing rough road, bridge transitions, etc. it also wallows in corners. I dont expect an 800lb bike to ride like my Ohlins Ducati, but its also very difficult to find a real review on a Harley that talk about specifics with how they effect rebound, compression, stopping, accelerating, high-speed cornering, turn in and troubled pavement

@teig.3385 3 жыл бұрын

@@wyomatt The ohlins just made by bike handle so much better. I feel the slightly longer shock in the rear really did a great job of making my bike more balanced. The next job is doing the front end.

@MOTOPILOT6 4 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the effort guys but you missed the mark by comparing a $679 Progressive 490 Shock to a $924 Legend Shock ($245 difference). Plus you have obvious bias toward the Legend Brand. Progressive offers additional premium shocks such as the 944 Series for $759, the 970 Series for $1200 and the 990 Series for around $1500. Not really an apples to apples comparison.

@clarkbabin9799 3 жыл бұрын

No bias here since I've got no personal experience with either. I believe its subjective myself.

@jonnymac8925 3 жыл бұрын

The 490 series is hands down the best shocks I have ever run on any bike I have ever had. I know guys that love their legend shocks, and some that absolutely hate their legend setups.

@clarkbabin9799 3 жыл бұрын

@@jonnymac8925 sounds like its su jective to me. All in riding style and preference. As I said before I have no personal experience with either. I see different people with their opinion on which is the best and actually know people who have used progressive systems and they swear by it. And then there are those who have used other systems that swear by those brands. Sounds to me like there are several good brands of suspensions.

@jerryvelasco1474 3 жыл бұрын

What i want to know is why the hell are HD motorcycle shocks so dam expensive. I can buy 4 skunk or tokico struts with all the bells and whistles for virtually any import car. For 1000$. But I only get 2 on a motorcycle and thier the same in price or more.

@jonnymac8925 3 жыл бұрын

@@clarkbabin9799 You are absolutely correct! Progressive, Legend, Fox, Ohlins, they all make premium shocks for HD. It all depends on how the person rides their bike. I have riden bikes with all of them except Fox shocks, so I can't speak on them. Progressive 490s and Legend Revo are very similar in many ways, except the legends are at the Ohlins price range. If I was to spend the extra couple hundred it would be for Ohlins because there isn't enough of a difference to even notice between Progressive and Legend for the average person that rides their bike hard. They all make a great product, it just depends on what someone wants to spend and what they expect to get out of it. I can tell you that a good suspension upgrade on a HD is easily the best and most noticeable upgrade that can be done and i suggest to everyone that reads this to do suspension before doing exhaust, intake and tuner. Everyone that has ever upgraded says the same thing "I should have done my suspension first" hahaha

@charlesrichardson4599 4 жыл бұрын

I put Progressive 944 on my 15 ultra cornering was great but way to stiff of a ride for comfort. Switched to Legends Revo-A's cornering is great and ride comfort is awesome. Wasted $700 plus on Progressive. I'm very happy with Legends.

@roycarlson6783 4 жыл бұрын

Also have the 944's,not real happy with them...switching to revo a's

@cameronboswell7888 4 жыл бұрын

It's a matter of good-better-best

@kacowboy 4 жыл бұрын

Curious about the JRi Shocks

@jps2989 4 жыл бұрын

You should check out fox!

@shaunruark6715 3 ай бұрын

What do you think of the ohlins HD-044?

@gregmonhollen4327 3 жыл бұрын

I have an ultra. Limited 2021 I tiptoe on it too short of legs what shocks do you recommend to put on the lower it a good inch

@bwhite220 4 жыл бұрын

TJ, are you and Steph going down to the HD World Record ride? If yes, are you planning to ride down from NWA or are you going to be in a different part of the country beforehand? Just wondering because I'd love to meet up and ride down with you guys if you are going. I'm in Bentonville.

@patforet7336 2 жыл бұрын

Both Progressive & Legend shocks are better the OEM shocks but if you have a dresser the best are the Self leveling Wilberts from Germany. (preset with rider weigh and they self adjust to baggage & any extra added automaticly ) no manual or electrics needed.

@ChisungLee 4 жыл бұрын

Would you do a Legends vs Fox vs RWD?

@pb1596 4 жыл бұрын

TJ, Go with the Legends Revo A

@joerodd3954 3 жыл бұрын

Would like to see a comparison including ProAction shocks. I want to lower my Ultra limited. Anyone have any feedback?

@wesleyalexander8814 4 жыл бұрын

Legends Ben’s through the rest legends make the best

@kevinford6886 Жыл бұрын

With the Legend shock the eyelet (bolt hole) is a ball and it allows the shock to rotate/pivot. The progressive shock looks to be rigid which is typical of most shocks. Is this true?

@johnschiller7281 3 жыл бұрын

I have hyrneated disks in my lower back how would the legends benefit me

@PAULY-P 3 жыл бұрын

This guy for Harley is good. Very knowledgeable unlike most dealers. I thought you live in Arkansas, why go up to Missouri? Are you by the MO border? Edit: new subscriber here 👊

@DeBa1226 4 жыл бұрын

My deal is I want the best suspension made, irregardless of how much, but I want to set the suspension, leave it alone, don’t touch it again, and just ride. I don’t want to keep adjusting it this way then that way, then back to this way. So is that Legends? Adam Sandoval is riding Legends on both his Road Glide & Indian Darkhorse I believe.

@chuckeverett3102 Ай бұрын

Wilbur shocks self adjusting

@rosekransconst.2495 4 жыл бұрын

I run the legend full air the rear on my 16’ street glide and the axeo 21 on the front love the ride but it does take time to dial the rear in especially if you run a passenger or the bags are full but with on board air compressor you can adjust it going down the road! Not progressive

@Walt450 2 жыл бұрын

ran progressive 944s on my rd king but legends are the only way to go after my tour pac gets here for my 21 special suspension will bw next

@TheOrneryOne 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet!!! We freakin love Legends but the people are outstanding & such a great group of riders themselves!!!

@majkimajk6185 4 жыл бұрын

There will be a review Nitron?

@tuppersdad 4 жыл бұрын

Put a set of legends on my wifes sportster they where very good, but she is short and they didn't make a shorter version. I ended up putting the progressive 490 on for her they are good but not as good as the legend. Now for the bad I put the Legend AXEO front cartridge on my fat bob and they are horrible. I will be removing them and putting Ohlin front and rear.

@HARMARSCH2 4 жыл бұрын

Legend Shocks

@jeffwalker1322 4 жыл бұрын

I have stock shocks on my 2004 flhtci. The rear bottoms all the time. I weigh 220 and my wife is 150. We have about 30 lbs in the bags and the shocks are pumped up to 37 psi. It is ridiculous that Harley has always given us a very limited, substandard suspension. I love my Harley but the weak suspension has always been a sore spot.

@DKCustomProducts 4 жыл бұрын

See a comparison chart of shocks at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/overview-of-performance-rear-shocks-71.htm

@mrvoyagerm 4 жыл бұрын

You guys look like the Blues Bros.

@joshuabennett723 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why everyone prefers the new harley coils over the old air shocks I've ridden both and I like the air and absolutely hate the coils the coils are so freaking stiff and the air is much much smoother