WHO ARE THE HUNTERS? || Lore / Theory || The Division 2

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WHO ARE THE HUNTERS? || Lore / Theory || The Division 2

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The mysterious group known simply as “The Hunters”, are one of the few enemies that the Division have encountered so far that have the ability to intimidate and over power the highly trained agents.
They move and fight an almost identical way to operatives of the SHD.
But they have one major difference. Rather than fighting for the community, and restoring order from those who wish to harm it…..their sole purpose seems to be to hunt down division agents, and slaughter them in a brutal merciless fashion.
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@NGN 5 жыл бұрын

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@pyeitme508 5 жыл бұрын

THANKS FOR THE VIDEO!

@vanguard616 5 жыл бұрын

NGN love!

@Grinch556 5 жыл бұрын

NGN Gaming you should do a video connecting the other Tom Clancy games. I know division isn’t in a shared universe with the rest but it’d be really cool

@emmanuelmorris7653 5 жыл бұрын

Who would win a division agent vs a ghost recon soldier? The agents I feel have better gear but the ghosts have better training.

@professorpickle9179 5 жыл бұрын

I noticed that one of the watches which was on one of the hunters chest, was flashing... Morse code maybe?

@laxalert52 5 жыл бұрын

It's confirmed the Safehouses are universal chill zones

@slaperofallfish Жыл бұрын

Hello velikan nice to see you again congrats on being in mw2

@DD-sy7ow Жыл бұрын

I think you meant universal jump zones

@TheKisj 5 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a dlc purely dedicated to the hunters and their lore

@toxemicoregon7751 5 жыл бұрын

Yes please

@itsvalentino2128 5 жыл бұрын

I like how mysterious they are and I think they should remain in the shadows but release info slowly

@julianviefers6703 5 жыл бұрын

i hope in d3 we might get something like that maybe.

@canofyeem7354 4 жыл бұрын

There were a few subtle hints in the survival dlc (dead agents with their hands cut off) (and dead agents caught in actual traps like snares) and it would be cool if the story could be delivered in ways like that. Subtlety along all the dlcs for a big conclusion or dlc of its own.

@xXxLegolas007xXx 4 жыл бұрын

not a full DLC but in every DLC you can find a little bit more information about them maybe fight 1 or 2 more of them. But i like how strong and mysterous they are and they should stay like this for a while.

@Southern_Crusader 4 жыл бұрын

When the Hunters kill you in the Division 2, each one has a specific quote that I think is similar to quotes by the Founding Fathers. And they also hang around Monuments in DC like they are guarding certain monuments that represent sacrifice.

@shadowvalkyrie5818 4 жыл бұрын

The Founding Fathers saw what was happening with America so they arose from their graves and decided to fix the situation

@ItsDobbie 4 жыл бұрын

Killer Joy Do you know what any of the Hunter quotes are? I’m very curious to read some of them.

@EstebanMarin-ck2jo 4 жыл бұрын

@@ItsDobbie just things like: you dont find a bear, the bear found you, - this its truly freedom - i got you, son, things like that, not much clues but in the refugees the walls got messages like, fuck the fenix

@jdubzzz1035 4 жыл бұрын

@@ItsDobbie i know demons quote his quote is You find Bear? No Bear find you

@W_O_L_F_666 4 жыл бұрын

What ? The have quotes ? I didn’t know that. I have the 12 masks and never heard the hunters say something.

@rawkmode6315 5 жыл бұрын

When the first theory appeared on screen, "Hunters are First Wave agents," I reacted with a , "Pfffft...the Hunters are the Third Wave and everyone knows it." That's how you know you've played waaaaaayyyyy too much Division.

@anedgygundampilot2235 4 жыл бұрын

Thatd be a great theory considering president 3 is a bad guy

@khalidmundher8935 4 жыл бұрын

There Russians sent to kill the division to stop a possibility of war between Russia and the us

@fish6153 4 жыл бұрын

@@khalidmundher8935 their*

@fish6153 4 жыл бұрын

@Josh Nunya shit

@FatalFist 4 жыл бұрын

But their tech is more advanced, the ability to hack our own drones and other tech to use for their own benefit? None of us can do that and we're second wave. The First Wave is even more primitive and practical - except for the hacker dude who can use holograms.

@jacobszymczak9323 5 жыл бұрын

Leading them to the safehouse where they cant shoot you (for some reason) to study them was really cool, I didn't know you could do that, i figured if anything they could use weapons but not the player

@gipsyhurourin8162 5 жыл бұрын

They are really smart AI! We manage to trick one to come inside a checkpoint and use the minigun against him!

@travisthomas9992 5 жыл бұрын

Yes you can do this. I don’t know if you can still do it considering the updates came out, but if you lead one to the entrance to a safe house and cross the threshold over and over again, he will aim at you and maybe get a couple shots on you as well, but the AI will try to “back” you into a corner and then follow you into the safe area. Just be careful not to let him push you out of the safe area, he is stronger than you

@patriciabrown9583 4 жыл бұрын

@@travisthomas9992 how does that work most won't chase you unless your close to them. they have a couple in division 2 that if you don't engage they will run away lol

@jakejohnson718 3 жыл бұрын

@@patriciabrown9583 the stalker hunters don't attack, they always run

@romes9465 4 жыл бұрын

The hunters in D1 are a lot more intimidating while in D2 they’re more mysterious and intelligent seeming

@FatalFist 4 жыл бұрын

I don't know, you play Survival enough and they become just another enemy you gotta beat to Extract. They were intimidating at first surely. Now though, if you throw out drones, turrets, hives, or whatever - they will hack it and use it.

@takenking2925 4 жыл бұрын

I think they are adapting because they know we know we are hunting them to

@DevlVergil 4 жыл бұрын

@@FatalFist Holy shit I still rememebr my first hunter I ever fought in survival. My heart was pounding so damn hard.

@kasperlindstrom9990 4 жыл бұрын

In D2 they're elite operatives that disengage fights unless key Intel has been compromised. They engage hard and fast to exterminate anyone seeming to compromise their methods and communications. Now with Rogue agents we can even see Hunters being steps way above those that have SHD improvements from Keener I could see them being a failed experiment by the Black Tusk to stabilize reliberation of the states, now currently in the dark and protecting what assets they have.

@FatalFist 4 жыл бұрын

@@kasperlindstrom9990 Have we got more intel on who the Hunters are and what their goals are? I haven't come across any, we've only seen that one particular Hunter we can assume killed Edwards after interrogating him. I'm still of the belief they're Russia's equivalent to The Division.

@MasterZero99 5 жыл бұрын

Your theory about the Hunters being the 3rd wave was something I thought about back in Division 1. It just sounds like something the US govt. would actually happen. Eliminate anyone who knows what really happen, and wash your hands from any involvement. It makes more sense to me. But anyways, GREAT video.

@angelsofblood9879 4 жыл бұрын

It is a sad fact, but it ties up the danger of individuals with access or knowledge of the virus and technology. It would be a difficult job for the agents to be activated to kill their own, but it would be one they would do to protect and save their country (and could be a force of indoctrinated individuals too).

@silvershade6866 4 жыл бұрын

Now think of another theory. Think of black tusk being remnants of sentinel. And the Hunter’s being the remnants of Walker’s wolves.

@johnseed4420 3 жыл бұрын

Personally I think they are mercenaries rather than agents and they were hired by the industrial and political leaders that seek to start a new political dynasty via black tusk, it fits their sadistic desire to keep trophies They obviously enjoy the hunt and take pleasure in what they do and being mercenaries would have no problems fighting agents if anything they’d see us as “big game” and considering how EXTREMELY obvious their handiwork is and methodology it’s hard to mistake them as another faction: do you know ANY other faction that slices off the right hands of dead agents? I think they were hired to weaken the division long enough for black tusk to be ready however after being defeated both above ground and in the underground in the several months that passed were abandoned in favor of an all out invasion and being without orders devolved into killing machines that only know to kill us should they cross paths with us

@SomeDude0062 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnseed4420 Late reply, but I agree. It's more logical for them to be government sanctioned mercenaries than rogue agents.

@lazyboyterry 5 жыл бұрын

1,aaron keener won't know too much detail about hunter, because he doesn't even know any agent outside of his cell. 2,besides, in Division 2, the hunters are not here to hunt you, they just hiding from everyone else, they only show up and fight when you know how to trigger them. 3,Hunters not linked with BT, because when Hunters showed up in New York, Bardon Schaeffer just started the recruitment for BT. 4,Hunters are SHD tech base units, when BT blowed up the SHD server in DC, without SHD support, they're just "regular ass-holes". maybe that's why the hunters are in hiding. 5,The reason Hunters are in DC, it's the same reason YOU are in DC, because the Hunters are also linked to SHD network, so they also heard the call from Ortega summoing agents to DC. so I still think the Hunters are another cell in the division, a special contingency kill team to eliminate any rogue agent who are using SHD tech against US goverment.

@theblacksky5645 4 жыл бұрын

But maybe they are just waiting for perfect time to strike...not only taking down agents...but taking down the whole network...imagine...all agents identaties revield...that would be insane

@mr.shadow8812 4 жыл бұрын

I like this theory

@ItsDobbie 4 жыл бұрын

Harucard Number 5 wouldn’t explain why their hunting the player though. The player character isn’t a rogue agent. Unless they see all other division agents as “rogue”.

@RaevenKS 4 жыл бұрын

@@ItsDobbie That may be a good thing to think about actually. Imagine this : They are a specific branch of the Division. As per Division 1, iirc, each "wave" of Division agents has its own hierarchy and command line. They all obey to the same entity (US Government) but doesn't know each other, how they work, etc. As Agent are dormants before their activation, so may be Hunters. I can easely see Hunters being "the last protection", formed by a parallel Division-like force, using the same SHD Tech (because, let's be honest, SHD tech is surely the most advanced technology available at that time), brain-washed regulars guys, put in a "zombi state" once activated, becoming ruthless, unstoppable killing machine who's only purpose is to kill everything that is related to the Division. Something else may be, as part of their "training", they consider "Rogue" each Agent that not only use SHD vs Gorvernment, but also talk to any "Rogue" Agent. As per Division 1, Hunters seem to be absent from the reality before the end of the Game, as if the "Activator" needed some kind of informations (such as 100% of Keener betrayal). With all the informations that Agents collected about Keener in TD1, that's when Hunters started to be activated, and then why they appear later on the game (in multiple game mods also). They hunt down Keener, any Rogue Agents, but also any Agents that, by any mean, talked to any Rogue agent, or even more, any Agent that may end up have a "relation" with any Rogue Agent. This mean that once an Agent knows about Rogue, or any thing that can shake US Government, they are part of the "Purging process". And then, thanks to SHD communication, each Agent have more or less a way to know other agents situation (e.g. Echoes are one of those way to do so). Even if, IMO, Hunters are not Division nore SHD nore US Government related. They are just Hunters, they do this for Sports and fun. And they became insanely good at it, that's also why they are able to simply manage by themselves super elite Agents : As a Hunter, you win or you die. Survival of the fittest. You are the best, you live. How long ? Depending on how long you can survivre facing super trained 'lite Agents. Each time you kill an agent, you take his SHD Tech, but also the Watch, which is the core of any communications from Agent to Agent, helping you hunting more Agent down. That's my theory, Hunters being simply Hunters.

@clueless6775 4 жыл бұрын

Its Dobbie An idea may be take no chances. they have no idea if they are Rogue or not, so they KOS

@gamingmedley6619 5 жыл бұрын

Never cared about the lore of the division that much until I watched a couple of your videos. Great work!

@NGN 5 жыл бұрын

That's awesome to hear, I totally understand that game lore isn't everyone's jam. Admittedly, I was the same with games, until I cross My Name is Byf's Destiny videos. Thanks dude 😊

@orrthehunter 5 жыл бұрын

The upcoming game Breakpoint has some interesting Antagonist faction design being the Hunters of the Wolves are designed very similar to Hunters in Division series.

@YeahImChristian 5 жыл бұрын

In breakpoint the antagonist faction are rogue ghosts who turned against the rest, it's in the description of the game if you need better explanation! You should be able to look it up,👍

@gipsyhurourin8162 5 жыл бұрын

Also look how similar the Ubisoft game are! Far Cry New Dawn gameplay has a lot in common with the Division!

@orrthehunter 5 жыл бұрын

@@YeahImChristian I already know that but it does not change the fact the strongest members of the Wolves are called Hunters with very close appearance to Division Hunters and they function as the elite unit that "Hunt" the player in the game using the most advance tech they get from Skell Tech which in lore of this world is the provider for the tech and gear used by Rainbow Six (all team members get their gear from Skell Tech), Ghosts (long time supplier to US military and developers of the Future Soldier Gears), and 3rd/4th Echelon (basically every single tech Sam Fisher use is Skell Tech). Some hypothesis believe that SHD tech is also developed by Skell Tech due to their long running history being the main source of advance tech for basically every single Protagonist in Tom Clancy Games and long term connection to the US government for advance military gears only given to elite units such as the Ghosts and 3rd/4th Echelon.

@vanguard616 5 жыл бұрын

@@orrthehunter In Breakpoint though, the Wolves took over Auroa and militarized most of the Skell Tech there

@orrthehunter 5 жыл бұрын

@@vanguard616 That the question, how long have they been on Auroa and how long have they had access to the Skell Tech which are developing closer to Future Soldier tech as we get closer to the Future Soldier timeframe which is only 5 years from Breakpoint events which also resembles SHD tech as well. Skell tech continues to provide the US government and the global market with Tech but they kept the capture of Auroa a secret until now which is a very big island and would not go unnoticed if the place was taken by force. If anything the wolves most likely was already on the Island before the game events acting as Skell Tech private military force to guard the place thus they would have moments to sneak some Skell tech for themselves if some are former Ghosts thus supporting more on the theory that Hunters maybe former Ghosts since we know how the US Government is not afraid of sacrificing them for protecting assets they deem too valuable to be killed even if they gone rogue.

@Megaloth13 5 жыл бұрын

You mentioned that the Division had an internal affairs branch, so what if the hunters were the disciplinary section of this? Kept secret due to the methods they have to employ, they were activated to deal with the rogue agents and due to the state of the organisation (lack of comms, ext) are having to assume all division assets may be compromised. Might also explain their collector tendency, not wanting SHD tech to fall into the wrong hands.

@FatalFist 4 жыл бұрын

Then it begs the question, why did they murder Edwards? Was he that bad that they had to kill him and possibly his wife too or did that Hunter in question actually show up too late to save him? I mean, it could have been pure coincidence that we showed up when the Hunter did and the reason he didn't kill us was because he was there for the same reason.

@stleo6069 5 жыл бұрын

Copyrighted from ubisoft? They're really hitting a new low.

@Breadlootgoblin 5 жыл бұрын

He probably used some trailer footage, that footage is automatically considered as copyright from KZfaq

@PuReEnStyLez 5 жыл бұрын

probably an agreement with massive or this is actual "free of use"-content. otherwise it would've been taken down faster than you were able to watch

@k-mehrenworthallrightsrese577 4 жыл бұрын

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@sinner2133 5 жыл бұрын

I did that “glitch” where you make a hunter inoffensive by bringing him inside a safe area. It was hilarious

@Jared-ll3tt 5 жыл бұрын

I've been thinking about that first hunter we encountered in Division 2. I noticed that the hunter was a lot smaller than the other hunters. If anything they were probably another Rogue agent.

@butterflymage5623 5 жыл бұрын

Yearly Red Dragon they have less gear. Probably because of the different season.

@tophatguytyrone5640 5 жыл бұрын

I think it's because they aren't wearing shoulder torso so they look less broad.

@Jared-ll3tt 5 жыл бұрын

@@butterflymage5623 then wouldn't the other hunters look smaller because of the weather? That one wasn't really wearing heavy armor and also kind of resembled a woman which is why I thought it to be that other agent originally.

@Jared-ll3tt 5 жыл бұрын

@@tophatguytyrone5640 no not all the hunters just that first one we encounter during a side mission.

@tophatguytyrone5640 5 жыл бұрын

@@Jared-ll3tt maybe because it was hunched over?

@munchmandrifta 5 жыл бұрын

So I forgot about the Side Mission where you are attacked and stunned, and at the time I wasn't paying attention, later I jumped into a game with a clanmate and they did the mission and I realised the guy was a Hunter and I was like, Hmmmmmm, Plot Thickens. So here is my thought, the Hunters are basically like the Predator, they want to hunt and take trophies from the best warriors they can find, hence taking the Watches. Why they have SHD tech, well if you look at how when they are close to an Agent the SHD tech goes all Fuzzy my thoughts are they have stolen the Tech, maybe when agents died they took their watches, hell when the Agents were running from Keener you mentioned they ditched their watches, perhaps these guys found them and took them apart and figured out how to jury rig them in a way that causes them to block the signal, but let them still use SHD Tech, this could explain why it makes the SHD tech of Agents go all funky. Now I will admit I'm sorta disregarding much of the first game, I kinda feel they were mainly just "added for extra challenge" which you said at start of vid as well. In the Second Game you have to Solve Riddles to then do Actions that Spawn the Hunters, this is basically you calling them to the fight, sort of like when Arnie in Predator says "Don't pick upt he gun, it only hunts us coz we are armed"... BTW I'm aware there is a Predator mission in Wild Lands but that's just coincidence. When you found the Dead Agent (sorry name forgotten) and it ends with you being stunned it wasn't coz he was afraid, it was that you were not ready to be faced, you hadn't proven your worth, the Hunter btw is in the same building as the "Demon" Hunter, you literally have to go under the window with the four targets, perhaps the "lead" the agent was following was he had solved a riddle and was going to see what it was about and got jumped and killed, then you rocked up and the Hunter was like, "oi, you didn't solve the riddle, Stop Taser Time, you can't shoot this". So yeah my theory is they are really just maniacs looking for strong warriors to face them and when they win they take the technology of their fallen victims to add to their arsenal, perhaps they even share the tech they don't need, leading to the hap hazard collection of tech... BTW also in keeping with the Predator, they retreat, like the Predator did to heal when they can, sure it's not perfect comparison as it's in battle, but still... Oh and it also works with their name, Hunters...

@flamingflamingo5932 5 жыл бұрын

This is actually a good theory it should be added to the game

@munchmandrifta 5 жыл бұрын

BTW thought about it some more, in the first game they attack during storm, when Division Agents are most Vulnerable, which does fit my theory. Think about it like this. You are a Hunter you want to hunt Division, you got a Jury Rigged Watch and some Sexy SHD Tech, you wanna hunt down an Agent but you don't wanna get your Arse handed to you, like Predator (gonna stick with that as example), you go for a weaker target and in blows a storm and suddenly you get a ping on your watch... Time for a Test Run... Skip Forward, SHD network gets shit canned, you get same Coords as SHD Agents, you realise it's Washington DC, hmmmm you think to yourself, gonna be Agents heading there... Perfect 😈 This theory also explains why you take their Masks as well... You solved their Riddle... Took on Their Challenge and Now Your the One Who Takes the Trophy! Also they snuck in and put the Ivory Case and Carry the Keys so if an Agent Wins and Eliminated all the Key Bearers they get the Coveted Tomahawk Trophy.

@flamingflamingo5932 5 жыл бұрын

@@munchmandrifta that also explains why the hunters don't go after the agents like they did in division 1

@souravdutta1377 4 жыл бұрын

@@flamingflamingo5932 that's because in 'The Division' , Hunters were main enemy of missions, they come with Boss & were really powerful than Div.2 hunters. Ubisoft ya Tom Clancy bring there Hunters for reasons that we gamer can get more challenge & interests to that game. But in Division 2 , hunters are for a side short time to acquire those 12 masks. That's why when you goes without proper gear build , then you can't stand against their & get killed. But if you have proper gear build like raid, then you will feel that how can be they are hunters cause they can't stand in-front of you even few seconds. This is the difference between Division 2 hunters & 'The Division' hunters.

@royalblizz 4 жыл бұрын

This is by far the best theory I've heard. I really didn't like the idea that they were Russian Spec Ops or third wave agents. They are just some "maniacs" who like to fight and collect. Like why the hell would a third wave agent go in for a tomahawk kill? They are just brutal but cunning

@warcloudwu5698 5 жыл бұрын

The hunters are splinter cell spec ops commanded by sam fisher, tasked to hunt down Rogue agents with extreme prejudice ...

@skoomaaddict1010 4 жыл бұрын

Now this...... This makes me smile

@insertcringynamehere 4 жыл бұрын

Not the same universe, Division is separate from everything else that is Tom Clancy. Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, and Rainbow Six are all connected. But the Division is a different universe.

@beanieguitarguy4070 3 жыл бұрын

*Insert Cringy Name Here* Don’t forget Far Cry. Also the Predator and Terminator are canonically a part of the Tom Clancy Cinematic Universe.

@koltgordon94 5 жыл бұрын

My theory is that the hunters are a group of hardcore Rambo fans who are just living the dream of being one man armies. Please no one take this seriously.

@matthiasneidenberger9471 4 жыл бұрын

Let’s hope the don’t watch John Wick.

@yoshz5389 4 жыл бұрын

Kolt Gordon I fucking agree

@tylerlilly4884 5 жыл бұрын

I disagree with the black tusk theory because in game they will engage them in combat also the black tusk already had a special ops unit

@alexandromorales3099 5 жыл бұрын

They engage the black tusk because of the code and they can have more than one special ops unit

@Charm3ndar 5 жыл бұрын

If you're in deep ops depending on your orders anyone could be a threat to your objective. Even your own people which could be their motives.

@alexandromorales3099 5 жыл бұрын

b0ks b0ks yeah I know lore blah blah blah the real reason they engage them is the games code

@FatalFist 4 жыл бұрын

@@Charm3ndar Well furthermore, we have no in game lore knowledge of their existence besides the wall with their masks on it. They are of some importance to SHD or The Division itself.

@patriciabrown9583 4 жыл бұрын

exactly they kill anyone they engage with no matter the faction

@acidpool6154 5 жыл бұрын

My theory is that the hunters are like the Division agents, but separate. A different organization inside the government. Maybe they hunt the division because of the fall of the government and how the government betrayed the first wave, they took it upon them selves to fight the government. Something along that line.

@bboy7656 5 жыл бұрын

Hmmm could be but I can't see why the government would have a group ready to Hunt another of their groups...

@nomadichippie1930 5 жыл бұрын

Killing all the hunters was literally the most satisfying thing in the game, the 4 that spawn together was amazing. Having every NPC try and take down the 4 hunters but the hunters literally go through them like nothing. I’ve seen them go through true sons and black tusk squadrons. Except for one heavy with a sledge hammer that caved in a hunters head. But now I finally have all them

@shadowvalkyrie5818 4 жыл бұрын

I was in someones game and I was bored so I decided to go fight the 4 Hunters and kill them just to kill them

@insertcringynamehere 4 жыл бұрын

I was able to kill 3 by myself, then was about to kill the 4th but some patrol of enemies shot me in the back. Luckily, they killed the Hunter for me and I was able to get all the masks. The new hunters however, are fucking menacing. I faced the Angel one with the Lion Eyes puzzle and died in less than 5 seconds.

@patriciabrown9583 4 жыл бұрын

@@shadowvalkyrie5818 you killed the four by yourself thats insane

@duaneclarence8758 5 жыл бұрын

Despite what I feel is their "out of character" behavior in The Division 2, I still feel like Hunters are a form of "clean up crew" for SHD Agents. Could they be specialized Black Tusk operatives? An even more secretive branch of Division Agents? Could be anything or could be nothing. Personally, I too hope we never find out for sure. The mystery behind them is one I hope gets continually speculated upon. I just want them to be at least brought up or mentioned in canon.

@tophatguytyrone5640 5 жыл бұрын

They aren't black tusk as they fight them in div 2. Even though this is due to a.i's it still wouldn't make sense why theyre part of the BT faction.

@wags5734 7 ай бұрын

This person knew what was up.

@penguinzplays 5 жыл бұрын

My thoughts are they are tier 1 operators within the military who are sent in to clean up the SHD after an element went rogue. Certain elements of Marine SpecOps are especially capable and excellent at being unidentifiable.

@ericj6636 4 жыл бұрын

I didn't know the Marines had any Tier 1 elements

@jackdaniels_lxix 2 жыл бұрын

@@ericj6636 Raiders i think and Force Recon

@ericj6636 2 жыл бұрын

@@jackdaniels_lxix Raiders are tier 2 and Force Recon is technically not part of SOCOM and thus has no tier. The marines have no tier 1 unit, even though some individual operators may have tried out for and joined Delta since Delta can technically recruit from any branch. The other thing is that Marines either Raiders or Force Recon could've made the jump to CIA. GRS wouldn't have a mission like this but this is exactly the sort of shit that SAD/SOG would do. Special Activites Division / Special Operations Group. Specifically Ground Branch. They recruit from across SOCOM.

@jackdaniels_lxix 2 жыл бұрын

@@ericj6636 holy f ... hold on let me read this Well i dont know what to say i was wrong

@JulySeptemberjulyjulyjuly Жыл бұрын

@@ericj6636probably completely unlisted

@bumblebeeman2103 5 жыл бұрын

10:25 this makes me think they're more likely wave 1 agents unloyal to keener, from the second hypothesis. given the info from that hypothesis, it wouold make sense for the hunters to mercilessly kill any division agents they found in the dz. but since they ultimately did this to fight back keener, it might make sense that when keener left the dz for dc, the hunters followed and after escaping the dz and learning of the state of things, they realized they had been killing keener agents and second wave agents alike, accidentally making themselves an enemy to the division. in dc they still need to defend themselves against any agents since they are now seen as hostile, but since they don't intend to cause conflisct with the division, only keener, they don't shoot on sight anymore. alos, this may be my own hypothesis, but im pretty sure keener was the one getting shd tech into the dz for his agents. but if i remmeber correctly that was either from the begining of the game or added in later, but still before the hunters were ever introduced. I think further evidence suggests they are wave 1 agnets since they found out about keener's plan to get shd tech, and then started to retaliate.

@T1374 4 жыл бұрын

You should make a comedy version. Interviews with the hunters where they talk about they worked at boring jobs before and have a dog and their hobbies etc. LMAO

@rus970 5 жыл бұрын

*Tin foil lined helmet starts to tingling*

@JDonoho Жыл бұрын

Your videos are a blessing without them I wouldn’t be able to get back into the division

@The2ndRogue 5 жыл бұрын

Who are the Hunters? They're the men/women that used to wear the masks that now hang on my wall. Who hunts the hunter?

@lorrewatkins5925 5 жыл бұрын

U are so good on giving atmosphere and authenticity to the division universe, and I just wanna thank u for that ! Keep up these good vid's !

@NGN 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy, appreciate the feedback :-)

@Rillevippen 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome! You just made my Swedish morning. Love this stuff, wish you the best :]

@cuteorca104 5 жыл бұрын

i appreciate how informative this is on top of what your thoughts and opinions are of each theory. great job and thank you for this amazing work!!

@unsaved013 5 жыл бұрын

Good video. I've always thought the Hunters were a government clean up crew from higher up on the food chain. Kind of like if the Agents = Army Rangers then the Hunters = SFOD-D or a hierarchy similar to that. I really like your theory about Keener going rogue after learning the govt send the Hunters to erase everything. The Hunters being govt assassins combined with feeling abandoned by the JTF in a time of need he decided to jump ship because there was no one he could trust out there.

@redda007 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely awesome content. Very underrated channel. I'll try my best to put the word out about these stories of yours

@neckrofkr 4 жыл бұрын

I am rewatching (listening at work) this playlist and dude I am blown away again. The video quality, editing and VO is top fucking notch! Not to mention the extremely entertaining and useful info about The Division. They should be paying you to do this.

@dugliwebbingwebsterjr 5 жыл бұрын

Do a video on our agent from Division 1

@ivanwill 5 жыл бұрын

Yep, keep ‘em coming. As I said in another video, this is like watching a movie, that you don’t want to end.

@Wisthanton 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely awesome video! I love the depth of content and your editing and style is perfect! You should be a professional documentary maker!

@christianstephenson8401 5 жыл бұрын

Loving your lore vids,adds to the depth of my knowledge of the game and I love the lore of the division Also the discord is amazing and as amazing people

@xXxLegolas007xXx 4 жыл бұрын

The Theories and Lore that just 12 mute guys give are awsome ! I love the Story and world of the Divison and i hope we find out more of the lore of the hunters ! :) Great Video !

@AvianAfficionado 5 жыл бұрын

Me and my buddy killed a hunter and inspected him, we noticed a tattoo on his arm which appeared to be a tattoo related to a US Military Unit, but we couldn’t discern it. I’m almost certain that the Hunters are all American.

@Evil8GSR 3 жыл бұрын

We now know they're black tusk after the run in with Bardon. Great video. Got my first mask at the top of thr summit

@xeikai 4 жыл бұрын

i remember fighting one of these guys in division 1. He was VERY hard and if i wasn't with a group of friends i'm sure he woulda killed me easy

@Minefield666 3 жыл бұрын

"Mr. President! We're ready and able to throw wave after wave of my men at the problem, untill dead, as sure as my name is Zapp Brannigan! We've only reached the third, so far!"

@wolfman-lz2nd 5 жыл бұрын

In ghost recon you can fine a divison agents body in a tree with there equipment all over the place

@onionrangerduck7024 3 жыл бұрын

In Wildland? I never encountered that, where is it?

@Shadow-un9xr 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. Can't wait until Massive explains the hunters a bit more, maybe on future DLC, would hate to have to wait until the next game for any more info. They are a very interesting faction, though now the Black Tusk and their employers have taken the number 1 spot.

@dogmonkEStudios85 5 жыл бұрын

Some things are better left a mystery. I really hope they keep them in the dark and we never find out who they are. I didn't like that we were the hunters in TD2. I liked the appeal of Survival and being hunted. Gave me Nemesis vibes from Resident Evil. I want the Hunters to return to their menacing phase from the first iteration of the game.

@dHAVOKb 5 жыл бұрын

Best Division content on KZfaq man. Keep up the great work.

@xi-deadshot-ix5838 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for creating the awesome content! The hunters are a really fun adversary. I'm hoping we'll see more of them after future updates. After spawning and killing them for masks and ivory keys, I can no longer find or summon hunters on my server. Only on someone who hasn't done it yet.

@historycallgeneral1051 5 жыл бұрын

Ah another magnificent video of the division 2.

@brettk97 5 жыл бұрын

Doubt they’re with the Black Tusk, multiple times when I spawned them in In TD2 there were black tusk near by and they full on attacked them

@LAXZIBIT 2 жыл бұрын

Okay so thats my theory on why the hunters are not really tracking down division agents in division 2: Remember when we first got introduced to a hunter in Div2? Idk the name of the agent, but in that mission it seemed like the hunter was asking the agent things before the agent died. When we arrive and the hunter appears, we cant kill him and he won’t desperately try to kill us either. so maybe the hunters are first wave agents who cut communication with the shd thinking, there was only a first wave. So after finding out that there was a second wave and what they are good for, the hunters weren’t tracking division agents anymore. The reason why they don’t track us in division 2 but we have to active them could be, that all these steps we have to take to activate a hunters spawn could be something like a secret code that hunters use to communicate/meet up with each other. Some more complicated stuff than having a unique knock on the door sign. This reminds me of some federal high rank agents shit. They could say something like how a baby flew a plane into a sharwall of dollarpigs, which sounds like total bullshit but it could make sense to someone speaking that codelanguage. For hunters its more movements instead of talking Edit: You know sometimes how some hunters stand on a roof and just watch you? Maybe they want to find out if the second wave isn’t as bad as the first one

@RealsWasTaken 5 жыл бұрын

Also, thought i was the only one who got the group of four to get into the safe house, funniest thing i had ever done.

@ViktorKULIJANIC 4 жыл бұрын

I think why hunters’ gadgets are more superior than a regular division agent is because of the watches they have. Because in the new Warlords of New York dlc when you defeat Aaron Keener, you get his watch and get a bonus on defense, offense, utility, and health. And because they have so many watches, they get a huge bonus on those categories.

@cl1cka 4 жыл бұрын

Uhm - no. Keener's watch doesn't operate under ISAC, he used Theo to create Anna. That's why you get bonuses - it's entirely different system than ISAC. It's like saying "If I wear 5 watches instead of one - I will be able to get bonuses to how long is an hour" :D Plus if that was the case - you would have been able to get the watches of every rogue agent you killed and stack them.

@ViktorKULIJANIC 4 жыл бұрын

cl1cka Yeah I realized that a little bit after I created this comment 😂 But my new theory is that hunters are part of the military (Maybe marines, air force, army, navy, etc.) and they gave the hunters advanced tech, and their mission was to eliminate 1st and 2nd wave agents, wether they went rogue or not. But I think the hunters are a more elite part of the military like the SEALS or FORCE recon, rather than just regular infantrymen. Thats why there are just a few, rather than an entire army.

@cl1cka 4 жыл бұрын

@@ViktorKULIJANIC Yeah but honestly that doesn't make much sense with how they behave. Their behaviour is actually best explained with being Russians trying to get the doctor. In the 1st game they hunt you for clues for Keener. In the second they are merely observing and waiting. Of course that theory has it's own problems.

@ViktorKULIJANIC 4 жыл бұрын

cl1cka Yeah, theres a ton of theories out there, I guess we’ll never know until the 3rd game comes out or a dlc comes out for the 2nd game.

@philliphelmut1077 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe the hunters a members of Riot Alex‘s biiiig family, trying to revenge his death...

@bryanalfonso7065 5 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this vid, another awesome upload!!!

@bulgingbattery2050 4 жыл бұрын

When I played survival, I learned that the easiest way to kill a hunter is to snipe him from a distance with a high-end M44. If your firearms was high enough, then you could 1-hit headshot them. I once took down 4 of them by myself this way.

@FivesTheClone 5 жыл бұрын

I wish we were allowed to choose the side of Aaron Keener, or maybe the Black Tusk. It could make the game a lot more interesting, but I guess it could be difficult to implement this feature.

@bumblebeeman2103 5 жыл бұрын

you can, it's called going rouge

@FivesTheClone 5 жыл бұрын

O pep you’re missing the entire point... I’m talking about story not just dark zone...

@strawdog6925 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome video mate, that is some pretty awesome footage :)

@travisthomas9992 5 жыл бұрын

I’m a fan of the Black Tusk theory. Makes sense if you think about all the nitty gritty details. The BTSU can serve as a surveillance team looking for agents and then they call hunters to pick them off. For example there’s a team led by Bardon Schafer by the WH that watches you or Agent Edwards go to the WH

@RealsWasTaken 5 жыл бұрын

I didn't really care about the other lore videos that you posted, but I love hunters and never clicked faster.

@adoptableearth 5 жыл бұрын

Great vid as usual. I love how mysterious they are too. Hope they keep their origins vague!

@AmyCrowd658 5 жыл бұрын

The theory of Keener being the hero that The Agents need sounds amazing

@MrSt1nky 5 жыл бұрын

One of the Tom Clancy novels did have a major ebola outbreak in the US which I read while waiting for Div1 to come out which increased my own hype for the game.

@pogboi4535 4 жыл бұрын

I CANT BREATHE HES DANCING WHILE A JASON LOOKIN GUY IS JUST STANDING THERE

@glennbarr5459 3 жыл бұрын

ay yo..You've just possibly cracked the Year 3 and 4 possible storylines

@michaelstefanou7744 4 жыл бұрын

Division first wave was directive 51, second wave was to cover up the failure of the first wave. Directive 52 is 'Hunters'.

@aidenvoss92 5 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling the pentagon dlc will answer alot of questions.

@christiandavis8055 5 жыл бұрын

True

@OmegaMK 5 жыл бұрын

Too bad the game will have lost most of its players by that time

@aidenvoss92 5 жыл бұрын

@@OmegaMK* most players that go to reddit after 200 hours grinding to write 1000 word essays on why they're bored

@ThyAmREmo 5 жыл бұрын

Let's face it, Keener probably isn't the BBG he's hyped up to be. Everything he's done takes place after the outbreak and is either reactionary or precautionary against people trying to kill him, while also herding hostile factions into a manageable position for the SHD/JTF. My theory is that the Hunters definitely have direct ties to whatever shadow faction of the government (wow shocker) is trying to take over, but chances are they were probably active before the first wave even was activated with their role being to ensure any attempts at a quarantine or controlling the virus' spread failed.

@cl1cka 4 жыл бұрын

Keener is not all there - if you listen to his psych evaluations, he has a case of megalomania and he snapped after being betrayed by the JTF and left to die in the DZ. His grand plan was to create a new virus, shoot into major cities and that would make things somehow better.... He was incredibly smart and capable, but he was also crazy by the his experience with the 1st wave....

@jackpayne6490 5 жыл бұрын

Great video buddy keep up the fantastic work as always.

@NGN 5 жыл бұрын

Cheers dude! 😊

@jackpayne6490 5 жыл бұрын

NGN Gaming Salute bro.

@LiamBircher 5 жыл бұрын

I agree with ur second theory because if they were trapped in the dark zone and knew about Keaners betrayal they’d most probably assume that any agent sided with keaner and they wouldn’t of known about the second wave

@andrewsimpson4668 2 жыл бұрын

You've got some highly interesting theories 🤔I'm impressed 👍

@paulcowherd5570 5 жыл бұрын

The ghost one is possible since Ubisoft isn’t shy of connecting games like how we had a Sam Fisher mission in ghost recon, plus Tom Clancy shares literally every game possible into ghost recon as side missions

@Paygelove 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve just started downloading this game so I’ve been watching vids about it and I must say your video is awesome... well spoken and full of info.. Thankyou!!

@NGN 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Paygelove 4 жыл бұрын

NGN totally! Thankyou for taking the time to do such a great video!

@johnmoo8072 5 жыл бұрын

Hm... Alot of interesting theories. Would the actual truth of the Hunter's really suck that bad? Maybe, I can't say... They're an interesting "faction" with cool masks I'd be happy to have for myself hehe. I appreciate the video & the lads that helped you out :3 I gotta join the Discord

@andybrown4284 5 жыл бұрын

I kind of figured that they were controlled by some group or other that was more interested in keeping the population controlled through the fear generated by the factions that the agents are working to dismantle. With the introduction of black tusk and their use of tech that thought has solidified a bit more to think that they are a spec ops or agent program within BT. It's possible they were held back by the puppetmasters in order to allow the agents to recover certain items and people before tusk moved in. Or their primary role is to hunt keener who went rogue after discovering the conspiracy and not knowing who to trust the information with so when it becomes apparent that the agent isn't keener they change to focus on observation and info gathering.

@EldricVanguard 5 жыл бұрын

Don't forget: the Strategic Homeland Division's influence may be worldwide. This is revealed from the Space Administration HQ mission in Division 2, where at the end of the satellite activation, an orange globe with white dots are speckled around various parts of the world. Those may be branch locations that belong to them other than from the United States.

@alek7998 4 жыл бұрын

I think the ghost theory makes sense. A reason for it is that you said that they leave no trace. Thats why they kill in such a savage way so it looks like a normal death in service. And, counter point for the other criticism is that maybe they have a very little amount of Ghosts and thus impossible to fight in squads

@sarsante 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the lore videos! You're better at telling the lore than the devs.

@phoenix30397 5 жыл бұрын

Best way to start my day! Man keep these dope af videos comming.

@Nem1606 5 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy how you make your videos.

@ivanklaric5341 4 жыл бұрын

I swear your the best at explaining lores! Specially the dark souls series!!good job !!

@arnoldjohnsonjr2743 5 жыл бұрын

The Division 2 isn't the Division 2 without Fey Lou and Aaron Keener. The Russian theory makes the most sense because the Hunters want to rescue that Russian scientist not kill all the Division agents. The third wave theory fits the Black Tusk a lot more then the Hunters because they are the presidents contingency plan to eliminate the Division.

@redtarget5275 4 жыл бұрын

Fay doesn't do anything in game. At all. Her presence doesn't matter. Same goes for Keener to a degree but he at least is an antagonist. With a lot of plot armor I may add.

@conchurfitzsimons570 4 жыл бұрын

I'd love to have either a dlc or a small episode where we learn only a little about the Hunters. Like what their actual goal is or whatnot. But I think only 1 part of them should be revealed if that happened as their shadowy lore and characteristics are what make them so interesting and terrifying

@happywombat 4 жыл бұрын

My first theory was that they were Rogue first wave agents however that was quickly debunked by you, my second theory was that they were part of another PMC or organisation due to the difference in technology but that was all speculation from DV1. Now its been stated that the hunters do have some sort of connection to SHD so my new speculation is that they are a sub-branch of the Division or another top secret government Cell, why they hunt Division members is still unknown as they still operate in secrecy.

@skyvolt2566 3 жыл бұрын

It's funny that the very 1st wave of division agents over like 90% of them either went MIA or went rogue then 2nd wave went to find out what happened and have been losing the fight lol despite their victories they just seem to be losing more than winning. But I wouldn't be surprised about the ghost recon theory since Ubisoft confirmed that The Division and Ghost Recon are based in the same universe just different time lines

@FatalFist 4 жыл бұрын

Unless I'm mistaken, Hunters in Division 2 followed ominous signs of Stalkers who were people on Rooftops kind of surveying the area and would appear when your HUD gets static. It's what lead to the ARG and uncovering how to spawn the Hunters. But they weren't Hunters themselves, they didn't drop masks or keys if you killed them - they did disappear like Hunters though. These were called Stalkers but I wonder why the distinction and what their endgame was, Stalkers just run away from you and wont engage.

@MishaLaGrange 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome video i love how you have many different theories that where these hunters came from. My theory is that DC already had them but they weren’t prevalent at the time being that DC isn’t all that big like Manhattan, some could’ve traveled to DC as well. I agree with one of the theories they didn’t really pop up until the SHD network was back online... i just hope they release a update on the game to give an idea where they came from, and also if we can finally find Aaron keener. But that one side mission that where we had to find the missing agent and when i did encounter the first hunter he didn’t attack he just stunned you and escape which i found odd at the time i did the mission.

@ch3rlo_1 3 жыл бұрын

i think they are in a competition with the Division. They want to proof themselves to be better than them. Therefore they are challenging them, not hunting them. All of the hunters in DC has a spesific spot that have signs and clues to invite challenge. They give signs, determine area and time to fight and wait for agents to start to fight. At the first side mission about hunters, they killed an agent and hanged him in an place that could easily be seen. When we got there to help, they jammed us and did nothing but show themselves in an challenging attitude. Like then invited us to a fierce fight. Then it started.

@mattfazio997 3 жыл бұрын

I'm late to the show, but thanks for the Lore, man. I love the LORE!!

@mclovin6039 4 жыл бұрын

You really do have a man crush on Aaron Keener 😂👍

@NGN 4 жыл бұрын

He my bae

@beanieguitarguy4070 3 жыл бұрын

He’s also pretty hot for an old, sweaty dude.

@Mohdashmand 4 жыл бұрын

first time i meet hunter Underground. i jump off my seat when he Axe my agent head. 😱

@RIPTIDE2034 5 жыл бұрын

I think that the first wave is a control group for the 2nd wave... the technology used by the agents is pretty advanced... maybe the first wave is just a motivational object for decision agents to fight or to do their job actually if that makes any sense either way... these Hunter are amazing

@giovanni94363 3 жыл бұрын

After finishing the WONY expansion, the theory of Aaron Keener knowing what the government plans are to eliminate all the agents makes sense. Right before dying, he activates the rogue network, and says "you have no idea what's coming". Probably he was recruiting rogue agents to take advantage of the chaos and gain as much power as he could, just so that he wasn't treated like an e enemy, after what he has done for the county. That would also explain the anger rogue agents have, since they know that The Division is corrupted (see Theo Parnell's theory), and agents are only there to do the job, then be cleaned up afterward. I kinda feel dumb being on the SHD side after all of this mess...

@tiktikboom2371 2 жыл бұрын

I think there like a contingency plan for if agents go rogue and have just went rogue themselves lol.

@sheldon-cooper 4 жыл бұрын

I think hunters are the third wave. But they're not there to help,rather wipe the slate clean to stop more division agents from going rogue. The unique uniform style and use of ballistic masks doesn't tie them down to anyone faction. The collection of SHD watches is to gather Intel and keep a tab on how many agents are left.

@eteryah 5 жыл бұрын

What If they are Russian and the reason they escape from you and walk around aimlessly is because they were left behind after Russia possibly found what they needed and abandoned them?

@bumblebeeman2103 5 жыл бұрын

maybe they weren't abandoned, they were just what was left...what if they were there to find the cure we made to save russia, but now russia is gone and theyh're just stuck over here. and since keener's men attacked the russian consolate they viewed all division agents and heavily hostile, since to them, they literally kept them from saving their entire country

@dewapd1169 3 жыл бұрын

I like the idea that they are 'cleaning up' the agents because they were never meant to get out....a great theory.

@DakuJTenshi Жыл бұрын

I actually do like the idea that hunters. Are just in fact division agents that were specialized soldiers created for the very use of being a contingency plan for Rouge division agents. They only hunt division agents leaving civilians and most groups alone. Why they hunt all agents rather than just hunting Rouge agents I'm not entirely sure

@TheSexySquirtle 4 жыл бұрын

When I fought the hunter in Edwards mission, pretty sure he glitched in his pathing and when I got stunned he just stood staring at me. Honestly it was alot more intense, as if he was considering whether or not he should kill me.

@savathunthejudge914 3 жыл бұрын

I made my division agent a hunted. Tasked with killing any rogue agents, anyone who was against shd. And to take down black tusk and any giv't officials who endanger the union

@Grim-uu7iv 2 жыл бұрын

@@savathunthejudge914 same thing here

@matthiasneidenberger9471 4 жыл бұрын

I think that the hunters are ex-military personnel, or some other kind of combat specialist, who decided to fend for themselves after the outbreak and began mastering their skills for killing division agents and decided to capitalize on their abilities by hiring themselves out to the other factions. They could’ve hired themselves out to any of the factions to get rid of the division: the Rikers, last man battalion, Aaron Keener, etc. They take the watches either as a way to confirm a kill for when they get paid or as just some status symbol just for the sake of ceremony. The reason why they go to DC is because they hear about the growing conflict there and decide to go where their services will be in high demand; the only problem is that they don’t have any solid contracts in DC with any of the other factions yet so they might just not know what to do, they’re not getting compensated so they don’t have any reason to be invested in killing the division. This is just my opinion and I could be wrong about it, but I think it’s at least plausible if you guys disagree I totally get it.