Who are the Mondasian Cybermen??

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DoctorGeek

DoctorGeek

7 жыл бұрын

The most recent episode of Doctor Who - World Enough and Time -
Re-introduced a character from Classic Who.
In this video, we discuss The Mondasian Cybermen, the Original incarnations of one of the Doctors oldest foes, first and last seen in the 1966 story - The Tenth Planet

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@glenjarnold
@glenjarnold 5 жыл бұрын
I found the Mondasian cybermen the most frightening of all variants. I had nightmares about them as a kid yet couldn't stop watching them.
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 5 жыл бұрын
Their voices back then were way scarier than they are now. It seems like they are just emotionless Daleks now, when before they had a bit of a creepiness to them with their robotic voices. Thanks for watching!
@samuelbarber4154
@samuelbarber4154 4 жыл бұрын
I think they should do a "Genesis of the Cybermen" storyline.
@RabbiB0Y
@RabbiB0Y 4 жыл бұрын
They did
@theknightsofawesomeness2701
@theknightsofawesomeness2701 4 жыл бұрын
@@RabbiB0Y Yeah that was Spare parts
@k1ng401
@k1ng401 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah they should bring “Spare Parts” to the screen. But also “World enough...” was an alternative Cyberman genesis story.
@vullord666
@vullord666 3 жыл бұрын
the knights of awesomeness I think the best thing about world enough time/the Doctor falls is it doesn’t contradict any other origin for the cybermen. The Doctor himself says they are inevitable and will always happen in the episode. That was just how they started on the Colony Ship and for tv only fans was a great genesis to connect with.
@lewiscornick8604
@lewiscornick8604 3 жыл бұрын
They did world enough and time to the doctor falls was a genesis of the cybermen
@Ditto-js1or
@Ditto-js1or 6 жыл бұрын
Is it weird that todays doctors are starting to use other parts to replace ours, Such as legs or arms? We also have systems for life support which could be getting small enough to carry around? Are we becoming cybermen?
@Irishmankillen666
@Irishmankillen666 6 жыл бұрын
Ditto0415 cybermen confirmed were all doomed
@redstoneman6756
@redstoneman6756 6 жыл бұрын
well maybe but only if we all need amputation at least once in our lives, which I find unlikely. although I suppose if only, say, 1000 people's bodies become cybernetically replaced, then they could force the others to do the same to their bodies... it's possible actually, so I'm going to... um... how do you kill cybermen again... oh yeah! buy a dalek
@channelname1816
@channelname1816 6 жыл бұрын
It's already too late
@richardgregory3684
@richardgregory3684 6 жыл бұрын
The point about the Cybermen was that they were a human race who turned to cybernetics when their lifespans began to shorten. At the moment the only cyborgs we have on Earth are people who have to be - amputees with artifical limbs, people who need life-support to breathe, artificial voices for peopel who can;t speak. What would we do though if everyone started getting weak and sick and we could fix it with artificial limb and organ replacements? At the moment we can't make artificial organs and there's a shortage of donors, what if we could make implantable artificial hearts or whatever? In fact many thousands are kept alive with artificial kidneys - dialysis. And what if in the future we can make articial parts that are superior to the originals? Peopel might CHOOSE to have say their eyes replaced if we can make superior bionic eyes that look the same as human eyes. And so on. I'd day that unless there's some mass revolt against us becomign cyborgs (e.g. some religious movement, liek the Butlerian Jihad in Dune which saw any technology that emulated thining banned)....it's inevitable. As Arthur C Clarke says in his novel 2001 (aboutt he aliens that built the Monoliths) "As soon as their machines were better than their bodies, it was time to move on"
@earl_gay
@earl_gay 6 жыл бұрын
+Richard Gregory perfect explanation as to why cybermen freak me out so much and always have done. They're a lot more 'real' than everything else in this sense
@w5527
@w5527 6 жыл бұрын
I agree the original Cybermen are the bast because they ARE supposed to be "like us." Being more emotionless feels creepy.
@MondySpartan
@MondySpartan 5 жыл бұрын
If I were a Cyberman, I'd be a Telos Cyberman. Oh wait...
@ArcaneKnave
@ArcaneKnave 6 жыл бұрын
KARATE CHOP OF DEATH!
@MondySpartan
@MondySpartan 5 жыл бұрын
AKIDAAAAAA!!!!
@theblackmesaresearchfacili1079
@theblackmesaresearchfacili1079 4 жыл бұрын
Slap of death
@jaytender4949
@jaytender4949 6 жыл бұрын
Honestly they are my favourite version and design of the Cybermen 🤖
@suomixs3506
@suomixs3506 6 жыл бұрын
Jay Tender ye The new ones are not scary they are some super robots
@channelname1816
@channelname1816 6 жыл бұрын
They're my third favourite, number 2 for me is the tomb of the cybermen type, my favourite is the 80s type cybermen
@christianmccauley7340
@christianmccauley7340 6 жыл бұрын
Jay Tender aren’t they everyone’s?
@linxu9763
@linxu9763 6 жыл бұрын
THese guys aren't scary, but look MLG cool.
@_aballa_
@_aballa_ 6 жыл бұрын
I prefer the ones in rise of the cybermen
@richardgregory3684
@richardgregory3684 6 жыл бұрын
The 10th Planet cyberment have always been my favourites. The later incarnations looked too much like robots - the 10th Planet versions looked closest to what they actually are - humans who have had their limbs and organs replaced with machine parts. They still have vestiges of their human limbs, and the chest unit truly looks like what it is, a mobile life-supprt system.The cloth face is by far the creepiest because of what it tries and fails to hide: there's still a face under there, and it;s left to the viewer to imagine what that face is like. I love the voices - they too sound exactly right, they are synthetic voices with the words strung together that sound very strange because of the odd emphases and inflections, exactly as you would expect. The cybermen were a brilliant conception, and perfectly realised in this story. The later versions tended to swing between being too much robots or acting emotionally. I rate the Earthshock ones highly because they're such a beautiful design and because the story kept their return after a long abcense completely under wraps, and had that wonderful last minute reveal at the end of episode one. It was superbly done and a complete suprise.
@tanyairwin3695
@tanyairwin3695 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't realize there was a t in Cybermen. Is it a silent t?
@TheFallofTheEleventh
@TheFallofTheEleventh 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, the older cybermen are always more scary in my opinion. While I like the new versions and how they take the idea of converting people and planets to an Industrial and Futuristic level, the older ones specifically the Mondasian 60’s Version are just more terrifying in concept. The most basic technology and science used by basically hacking off body parts and stitching parts on... I loved the ideas that ‘World Enough and Time’ presented by using elements of the story ‘spare parts’ while adding that Cybermen are basically a part of humanoid evolution. That wherever there is people, eventually there will be Cybermen. Hopefully we get more stories with the more classic Cybermen while giving the old suits a soft upgrade (pun intended) as i just generally find the more human like Cybermen more creepy and ultimately I think that’s their original and most important factor
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@donovan2424
@donovan2424 5 жыл бұрын
The current Cybermen with the blue circle are Mondassian Cybermen just upgraded
@porschefoster999
@porschefoster999 4 жыл бұрын
A few of the older cybermen aren't scary. You need a creepy voice too and even stomping that they have in 21st century. Not a normal sounding man in a spacesuit. I do like the mondas cybermen especially in 2017. I think they should mix old with new. I like how they revamped the Mondas cybermen in 2017
@porschefoster999
@porschefoster999 4 жыл бұрын
@TheFallofTheEleventh I do agree
@markhansolo8636
@markhansolo8636 5 жыл бұрын
I think The Cybermen from The Moonbase/Toomb Of The Cybermen were the best looking and sounding.
@DomWhibley
@DomWhibley 3 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted to see these ones revamped as I can agree that they are by far the best followed closely by the original Mondasians. It's unlikely we'll see them any time soon, but if we do, it will be amazing. The voices are also incredibly spine chilling which is a great factor
@jcrossan1351
@jcrossan1351 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never liked those personally I don’t understand why people liked them so much and I couldn’t stand their voice it was far too robotic
@slideways_sideways1803
@slideways_sideways1803 6 жыл бұрын
even though this is about the old cybermen i believe the cybus cybermen represent what we will become if we continue robotics and war
@Charlie94781
@Charlie94781 3 жыл бұрын
The cloth masks are surgical stockings used to cover up and protect exposed tissue that resulted from the surgical upgrades that stripped the skin from their faces
@gounthers
@gounthers 5 жыл бұрын
*This also makes me think,what is the first form of the mondasian Cybermen*
@Stormkrow280
@Stormkrow280 4 жыл бұрын
Foot Cream seeing as Mondas was the twin planet of our own earth they were probably very human like
@gounthers
@gounthers 4 жыл бұрын
@@Stormkrow280 I know, looking back at this, I found this a very stupid question
@theghostinthemachine5602
@theghostinthemachine5602 3 жыл бұрын
Love that even back in 1966 they had the idea to do a story of humans trying to survive on a rogue planet . A rogue planet is a plane that has been knocked out of orbit and freezes to death
@julianaylor4351
@julianaylor4351 4 жыл бұрын
Mondas was supposed to be from a tenth planet that left the solar system. Currently in the real world some scientists believe there may be a large unknown world on the edge of our solar system, beyond the small planetoids like Pluto. That makes for, if it's true, a weird real world coincidence, though if that planet is there it's probably lifeless.
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 4 жыл бұрын
Also, real planet 10 is assumed to be VERY VERY large, where as Mondas was a twin earth, just upside down. I Love the idea of naming planet 10 Mondas though!! Definitely my name for it from now on.
@Ditto-js1or
@Ditto-js1or 6 жыл бұрын
If they used a tool designed for throat cancer patients, it kind of seems like a cool touch. It somewhat hints that they were at one point human enough to have diseases, but by replacing themselves, they became less human. However, since there is still human left in them, they need these tools to live.
@Tyler-ky3wo
@Tyler-ky3wo 6 жыл бұрын
As a new doctor who fan I can say that the mondasian cybermen are very interesting though the new version is my favourite the one thing that cracks me up about the mondasian cybermen is the giant headlight
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, yeah, and they never even use them! Though I imagine it came in handy. To me, their voices were the best thing about them. Thanks for watching!
@MichaelM28
@MichaelM28 6 жыл бұрын
atleast they don't stomp around like retards, like the modern cybermen do
@samiam6263
@samiam6263 6 жыл бұрын
Michael McGrath the Cybusmen
@projectkepleren
@projectkepleren 6 жыл бұрын
they actually are not headlightits actually a head laser beam that they dont use for some reasson
@cyberfire7191
@cyberfire7191 5 жыл бұрын
I kinda like the 70's to 80's version of cybermen design there not to bulky and not to skinny and they have a certain cheesyness I like with the handle bars and squarish head
@simonkormendy849
@simonkormendy849 5 ай бұрын
In the video above, you can see that the chest unit (if that's what they're called) of the original Mondasian Cybermen , looks different to the Mondasian Cybermen you see in Peter Capaldi's episodes.
@alecaquino4306
@alecaquino4306 3 жыл бұрын
The original versions were so much more frightening than their modern counterparts.
@nicholasmaude6906
@nicholasmaude6906 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see the Cybermen from Earthshock make an appearance in the new Dr. Who.
@staity7380
@staity7380 5 жыл бұрын
I used to be terrified of the mondasian cybermen. Tbh they are pretty scary compared to the other ones
@Stormkrow280
@Stormkrow280 4 жыл бұрын
Technically the Cybermen didn’t have control over Mondas returning to earth, they admit this and only came to earth to explain and offer them cyber convertion
@julianaylor4351
@julianaylor4351 4 жыл бұрын
The Eighties Cybermen had deep dead sounding scary threatening voices, but a weird howling squeal when they died.
@TulipFur
@TulipFur 5 жыл бұрын
I wish someone would do a version of Havana in a Mondasian Cyberman voice.
@mudbutton2
@mudbutton2 6 жыл бұрын
Still the best version
@rhorynotmylastname7781
@rhorynotmylastname7781 6 жыл бұрын
Except all cybermen until new who where mondasian
@ExplodingCreeper69
@ExplodingCreeper69 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what cyberman I would be if I was a cyberman
@Generalphoenix8438
@Generalphoenix8438 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly the conversation/Upgrade depending what you prefer could be a good idea for survival. The only weakness the cyberman have is their lack of humanity which if I was a scientist I would want to use the positive ideas and aspects of the cyberman to make humans stronger and less destructive. My idea would be to remove many organs like the original process but still keep some other than the brain to make more human like than machine cybernetic tou might say. In order to survive in let's say an apocalyptic world using a renewable source of energy to keep the units alive. Than use a pain inhibitor so the subject doesn't feel the pain but data being recieved would show it. This way they picess free will but also have chips to prevent them from braking laws to harm another. I would convert but only when I know the convertion is sufficient by 110%.
@michaeltaylor4375
@michaeltaylor4375 5 жыл бұрын
Well...the cybermen "sorta kinda in a way" came "back" last week in a cameo....and they weren't the (actually scary) mondasian types......so all i can say is, i have low hope, and its back to square one. Just fuckin' put Peter Capaldi in charge of writing them.
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 5 жыл бұрын
We got original Silurians though! Peter Capaldi should be in charge of everything :)
@amywigington8854
@amywigington8854 5 жыл бұрын
my questionis why don't they look the same. they have totaly different handles and the weapon at their waste. looks like stevan mofat said " care why should we care "
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 5 жыл бұрын
Well, he got around this by saying that these can't REALLY be the original cybermen because they are not on Mondas. So, I guess the theory is that these people, being from Mondas but no longer ON Mondas, reached the same conclusion as their people back on their homeworld, and enacted it in a very similar fashion on this ship. Thanks for watching!
@robokill387
@robokill387 5 жыл бұрын
tbh the original is just too cheesy for modern audiences, they changed just enough to improve the design. the giant lamp on their head would have made them impossible to take seriously.
@syweb2
@syweb2 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly prefer the new version. It's easier to take seriously, with the medical horror not impeded by duct-taped headlamps and table-sized chest-units.
@doctorwhotardiscasefiles1629
@doctorwhotardiscasefiles1629 6 жыл бұрын
Very Good the cybermen
@Shanethefilmmaker
@Shanethefilmmaker 6 жыл бұрын
Kinda fucked up how what would have been considered cheap props would end up inspiring a horrifying story behind it.
@buffloogi8569
@buffloogi8569 4 жыл бұрын
If it is upside down, Australia is no longer upside down
@amywigington8854
@amywigington8854 5 жыл бұрын
maybe the had another exidus were they upgraded to the original cyberman style'
@elsauce4873
@elsauce4873 4 жыл бұрын
5:43 Can anybody please explain what the Cybermen said here?
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 4 жыл бұрын
Our brains are just like yours, except that certain weaknesses have been removed.
@elsauce4873
@elsauce4873 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@ExplodingCreeper69
@ExplodingCreeper69 3 жыл бұрын
The first mondasian cybermen were tall
@hunternowhunted1377
@hunternowhunted1377 3 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the whole point is that they've lost their emotion and therefore any personality or character
@sovietduck7162
@sovietduck7162 6 жыл бұрын
Why did the 1st and so far last doctor be old
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 6 жыл бұрын
The first few Doctor's were in their 40's and 50's when they took the role, as the Doctor was supposed to be a more grandfatherly figure. Plus, when you consider that he's thousands of ears old now, his outward appearance isn't terribly important. It's only since the new series that the Doctor regenerates into a fairly young man, and Peter Capaldi was a way of kind of referencing the old way of doing things. When you're over 2000 years old, you want people to respect you :) Thanks for watching!
@paulashe61
@paulashe61 2 жыл бұрын
Listen to Big Finish Spare Parts. RTD vetoed the mondasian cybermen
@paulashe61
@paulashe61 2 жыл бұрын
He didn’t think they would be taken seriously
@RabbiB0Y
@RabbiB0Y 6 жыл бұрын
well the old mondasion cyber-man cause mondaisons wher the cyber man all threw classic and 11 onward's (the cyber-man upgrade themselves so now look like cybus cyber-man except for the middle thing it glowy blue thing their the cybus ones have a C there)
@dgvanz1155
@dgvanz1155 5 жыл бұрын
So, Bill was a prototype?
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 5 жыл бұрын
Technically the Mondasian Cybermen are different from the ones Bill got turned into because they were not on Mondas when it happened. These were Mondasians that got trapped on the spaceship, and while evolving, arrived at the same conclusion as their brothers back home. Since it seems like Bill was one of the first, if not the first, full conversion though, I guess you could say she was a prototype. Thanks for watching!
@captainzanearr7246
@captainzanearr7246 4 жыл бұрын
They are bill pots
@zangles9069
@zangles9069 6 жыл бұрын
it feels weird when an american person is in a doctor who video being a british series
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 6 жыл бұрын
Doctor who is a worldwide phenomenon and it's been on American television for decades. In fact, the 8th Doctor was created solely to reboot the series as an American show.. so I don't see what's weird about a non Brit discussing the show. If only Americans were allowed to talk about American shows//movies the world would be a pretty boring place! Thanks for watching though!
@zangles9069
@zangles9069 6 жыл бұрын
sorry for the confusion and i see...
@supertna9154
@supertna9154 3 жыл бұрын
Or do people prefer the robotic voice from Patrick Troughton's era.
@dogsrule29295
@dogsrule29295 6 жыл бұрын
Would prefer to be a dalek much stronger
@tinykemper2561
@tinykemper2561 6 жыл бұрын
Fan service
@k1ng401
@k1ng401 4 жыл бұрын
Earthshock are my favourite, then these. I hate the modern Cybermen. They are just like a factory produced army of clanking robots. No individuality and no long speeches about logic etc. I don’t see the point of them.
@adamsrealm
@adamsrealm 6 жыл бұрын
They look like they have socks on their heads!? How the f*ck is that more character?
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 6 жыл бұрын
Appearance doesn't equal character, haha. These Cybermen were more motivated, since their planet was destroyed. The socks made them look like they were still part human, which was much creepier to people in the 60's.
@adamsrealm
@adamsrealm 6 жыл бұрын
They look like a cheap, and very shitty, halloween costume. Nothing good about them, the design screams 70’s which then again most movie props related to scifi in those days did look like shit.
@adamsrealm
@adamsrealm 6 жыл бұрын
The Punisher , I don’t like big budget films to be honest. But i certainly don’t like “cardboard box” budgets either.
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 6 жыл бұрын
Passion for the Classic series is understandable, it's what's kept the show around for so long! But I'd rather have the new Cybermen than no Cybermen at all :) and I'm glad that the 2 seem to finally be coming together! Either way, I appreciate the enthusiasm! Thanks for watching! Stay tuned for more video's every week. I'm working on a discussion on the Movellans for Wednesday!
@robokill387
@robokill387 5 жыл бұрын
@@adamsrealm look past the cheap effects, and look at the idea. this "i don't like cardboard box budgets" attitude is extremely spoiled, Britain had only just recovered from WWII at this point, of course they weren't going to give a lot of budget to a children's TV series that nobody thought would last for decades. the point of these cybermen is that they are supposed to be humans in surgical gauze and carrying around their own crudely built life support systems. they weren't intended to be conventional cyborgs at this point. "Nothing good about them" how come tons of people were and are genuinely creeped out by them, then?
@jeffwalker7185
@jeffwalker7185 6 жыл бұрын
Stopped watching - background music way too loud.
@DoctorGeek
@DoctorGeek 6 жыл бұрын
Jeff Walker Thanks for the feedback! This was one of my earliest videos and I was still trying to figure out what worked best. I will definitely keep that in mind !
@geegeetomlinson2316
@geegeetomlinson2316 4 жыл бұрын
Going to have to put a bummer on your main claim to this sorry: You've said the mondassian cybermen are more genuine in thier goals, yet you've done nothing but present subjective evidence to support this claim. I would go so far as to say this claim is entirely based on nostalgia alone. All cybermen, including the mondassian cybermen, are fairly boring villians - with the exception of the cybermen that upgrade themselves and try to create a cyber-planner out of the Doctor in "Nightmare in silver" - which was an episode with many merits. But conceptually, in thier design, they are Redshirt villains - they exist only to die in droves.
@aaronruf8421
@aaronruf8421 3 жыл бұрын
But so are all villains who are but a group rather than a single entity, yet this group persists, reappears in groups over and over again, and you cannot deny the menace they pose in Form of psychological horror which has been further elaborated on in nuwho with their reappearance where we see the hospital where they are transformed.
@cdle007
@cdle007 2 жыл бұрын
If you think Nightmare in Silver is good i believe you need to shut the hell up. You have no merit to even form an opinion.
@balderdash14
@balderdash14 6 жыл бұрын
naw they don't sound like that, the actors just suck at remembering lines
@rollmeister
@rollmeister 3 жыл бұрын
They seem pathetic
@animalian01
@animalian01 3 жыл бұрын
the original cyberman were rubbish
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