Who are the STRONGEST and WEAKEST units in Genshin? (4.3 Power Rankings Tier List)
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0:00 Introduction
0:38 Assumptions, Goals, Blah blah stuff you will skip
4:01 Aloy
4:43 Hydro Traveler
5:17 Geo Traveler
6:08 Electro Traveler
6:52 Amber
7:59 Kaveh
8:53 Xinyan
9:34 Ningguang
10:12 Mona
11:14 Qiqi
12:23 Freminet
13:26 Anemo Traveler
14:21 Diona
15:52 Diluc
16:52 Dehya
17:55 Yun Jin
19:05 Sayu
19:49 Kujou Sara
21:34 Dori
21:43 Lynette
22:12 Barbara
22:41 Dendro Traveler
22:59 Collei
23:10 Candace
22:49 Chongyun
25:17 Kaeya
25:38 Rosaria
25:59 Razor
26:35 Heizou
27:17 Layla
29:37 Eula
30:32 Gorou
31:07 Itto
32:50 Albedo
33:55 Yanfei
34:49 Keqing
35:34 Lisa
36:20 Yoimiya
37:38 Tighnari
37:55 Charlotte
39:23 Ganyu
41:01 Kirara
41:33 Yao Yao
42:01 Ayato
43:14 Noelle
44:23 Beidou
45:06 Thoma
45:33 Cyno
46:00 Venti
46:36 Zhongli
47:37 Wriothesley
48:06 Klee
48:41 Yae Miko
49:25 Shenhe
50:00 Ayaka
50:57 Tartaglia
51:38 Kokomi
53:24 Navia
54:42 Wanderer
55:28 Faruzan
56:13 Xiao & more Faruzan
58:12 Sucrose
1:00:20 Fischl
1:01:27 Lyney
1:02:30 Hu Tao
1:03:36 Xiangling
1:04:25 Baizhu
1:05:10 Jean
1:06:39 Nilou
1:07:55 Raiden
1:09:12 Kuki
1:10:27 Al Haitham
1:11:16 Neuvillette
1:13:32 Xingqiu
1:15:12 Bennett
1:16:37 Kazuha
1:17:06 Nahida
1:17:43 Yelan
1:19:21 Furina
@lLikeBreadAndToast 6 ай бұрын
3 out of the 6 characters in S tier being Hydro and Neuvillette being very close to getting there really shows the dominance of the Hydro element in the current meta..
@pipysnipy5929 6 ай бұрын
Hydro has always been the best, it was inevitable for it to dominate when fontain came out
@dqw4w9wgxcq6 6 ай бұрын
And some time later they should bait players having these hydro characters to pull for Natlan characters. Imagine how broken they should be to compete with Neuvillete for example
@purplerainPR 6 ай бұрын
hydro has practically been meta since 1.0 lol
@usmanya5110 6 ай бұрын
@@dqw4w9wgxcq6 i wanna see double pyro and double hydro sub dpses being a thing
@FajarNurdiansyah 6 ай бұрын
It’s the reason why they won’t give us another strong off field pyro character because it’s just going to make hydro even more broken
@Freon914 5 ай бұрын
It doesn't make sense that you considered mona as the worst standard because she was overshadowed by a 5 star archon but overlooked qiqi overshadowed by 4 star cryo healers (charlotte and diaona). Qiqi still holds the crown for the worst standard 5 star character.
@ZyklonFX 5 ай бұрын
100%
@TheAmazingCoochini 21 күн бұрын
I’d say keqing tbh. She does virtually nothing.
@qwerlw1 20 күн бұрын
@@TheAmazingCoochini Nah. Maybe Keqing is not that good compared to other dmg dealers, but she is still coping with abyss quite well when you have a good team. She is definitely better than Dehya, that's obvious, and more useful than Qiqi. Diluc is also usually worse. Keqing is nearly on the same level with Tighnari, the difference is that he is better with 1 target like bosses, and Keqing is good when there are many targets.
@Arpit-cm7oi 17 күн бұрын
Dehya
@hollow.shadow 6 ай бұрын
S tier is rightfully reserved for the strongest supports. Supports will always age better than any dps in genshin, this has been proven time and time again.
@banjoowo4001 6 ай бұрын
Raiden disagrees Had the best f2p team when she cane out- national Became the best dendro hyperbloom applicator when dendro came out Had the best mid investment team when furina came out- raiden furina yelan jean
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 6 ай бұрын
@@banjoowo4001 shes not a dps lmfao shes a support/on field battery, she literally deals only half of actual carries dmg ffs
@JohnDoe-si4eg 6 ай бұрын
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzraiden is mostly just on field support ngl.
@irena4929 6 ай бұрын
@@JohnDoe-si4egmoral support*
@user-iq1hj2ds4q 6 ай бұрын
@@banjoowo4001 Sucrose/Kazuha or literally any decent hydro character can make the team better without the annoying overloads. Kuki is a better hyperbloom trigger + healer You can put any character in the Raiden slot. It is the best wheelchair team.
@glory_m99 6 ай бұрын
I have a great video idea : "What character you should use if you don't have these units" Like if you don't have Yelan or xingqiu what character you should use? If you don't have Kazuha or sucrose, who should you pick? If you don't have Baizhue or Charlotte, who could be good with furina teams? You give a secondary solution if people don't have meta characters, especially supports
@draconiancorruption6817 6 ай бұрын
I agree that this is a great video idea. What to build if you don’t have X T0 unit(s) would be a great help to a lot of people who are f2p or lost their 50/50s on banners (my C6 Diluc and Mona say hi).
@Array_EB 6 ай бұрын
Big agree. We need more team showcases that aren’t just the “optimal builds”, for example always having Xiao / Wanderer with Faruzan. I get why but not everyone will have c6 and people still want to play Xiao / Wanderer
@Potte 6 ай бұрын
@@Array_EB unfortunately kinda just no substitute for niche role fillers like C6 faruzan or nilou, so at that point you're talking about building a fundamentally different team. the genshin combat system just isn't that comprehensively redundant when you get down to it.
@rivernlong5979 6 ай бұрын
I'd argue a well-built Barbara bloom team could act as a cheaper Nilou alterative - sure, you don't have the same amount of damage, but it's respectable all the same. C6 Faruzan in Wanderer Hyper is much harder to replace, though you could swap her buffs out for Furina/Bennet; or run Venti for additional CC instead.@@Potte
@Potte 6 ай бұрын
@@rivernlong5979 Mmm, I see your point, but at that point you could say anyone with off-field hydro application is an alternative and then you're being so general that you're losing a lot of what makes the characters discussion worthy... you're just talking about bloom as a reaction and there's not too much to say about that (water go brrr). That's mainly cause there's so many well known hydro characters tho. What could be possibly more interesting is finding alternatives to Nahida since dendro is a lot more diverse imo.
@termina2737 6 ай бұрын
I think it’s impossible to have a discussion about Klee and not hear the word “clunky” being used.
@Anonymous-wv6zb 6 ай бұрын
Lol, it's not even that bad to play once you get the hang of it lol... And she's still capable of some incredible things... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bsWbpMKkxJzaZqc.htmlsi=D_htCRDjcP8qTSiv
@xanaviii 6 ай бұрын
Well, you can't spell "Klee-unky" without Klee, so...
@Xen-wy6bo 6 ай бұрын
Klee is way missunderstood by PPL specially due to PPL not having Skills let's say it already they suck
@freekingfreaking246 6 ай бұрын
not really. her attacks will literally miss for no reason@@Xen-wy6bo
@Anonymous-wv6zb 6 ай бұрын
@@freekingfreaking246 ???? Elaborate
@ayzeee9855 6 ай бұрын
Fischl should be a bit higher imo, she's BiS in every team in the game that uses 2 electro characters and basically carries the aggravate reaction.
@Elrog3 6 ай бұрын
When comparing c6 4 stars against c0 5 stars anyways. I don't think I'd put her higher, I'd just move all the other 4 stars except her and Bennett down by half a tier.
@reactiondavant-garde3391 6 ай бұрын
Yeah it was strange, I don't even understand being "pushed out from meta", as if Furina would make Fischl worse or something.
@VladimirMakarov-nq1ll 6 ай бұрын
What does BiS means?
@Elrog3 6 ай бұрын
@@VladimirMakarov-nq1ll best in slot
@freekingfreaking246 6 ай бұрын
@@VladimirMakarov-nq1ll the best in that position, in that category
@1Henrink 6 ай бұрын
I find it weird to say as if Fischl only works in aggregate. Yes its the team that get the most of her, but her single target damage is so easy to fit in so many teams.
@Marz333 6 ай бұрын
Well in that roll she’s very replaceable in single target dmg she’s mainly praised today because of her dendro teams and that’s what got her where she is in the meta
@freekingfreaking246 6 ай бұрын
not really, she's still BiS for taser for instance@@Marz333
@ZyklonFX 5 ай бұрын
fischl was even good before dendro came out and fischl is one of the best off field dps character which provides a very good amount of energy too. on top of that she can be already very good with a4 and no constalltions.
@nereas_gaming 6 ай бұрын
Pretty reasonable choices, the only major disagreement I have is that I think you were overzealous in pushing Fischl down. Even if we accept the argument that her best teams aren't the tip-top teams in the meta, she still has a bunch in the top 5% and her flexibility and utility is insane. You can slide her into almost any team and it won't be bad. Damage, energy gen, carrying aggravate, shield breaking so good it even works for stuff electro isn't optimal against, being a bow unit for those mechanics... and more all for 1 second of field time per rotation the value of which cannot be overstated. I just cannot get behind a world where Faruzan is rated higher than Fischl for buffing two hypercarry units that also aren't "the top team" in the meta. To be honest nowadays with Yelan and Furina existing I find Fischl getting more play on my account than Xingqiu.
@JelloImpact 6 ай бұрын
Kind of fair
@manday2267 6 ай бұрын
Her teams are not that many; her teams are only not-high tier teams; only fourstars one, I think…
@hunterlavish 6 ай бұрын
Fair, but also of the niche 4 star mono element buffers, the way Faruzan is set up (C6 specifically I guess, which is unfortunate and a point against her) is by far the best. Although, its for the same reasons that Fischl is amazing. One button (burst) and Faruzan deploys her entire kit, no circle restrictions, follows your DPS's targets, and generates particles by triggering the skill. I happen to be an anemo main, so I get that I'm biased, but Faruzan is my favorite support in the game for the way her kit is designed.
@tropicthndr 6 ай бұрын
There’s no new best character, none of them give you a reason to revisit older map’s because all the NPC’s are still the same boring characters with no new personalities. Buildings and houses are still mostly useless facades.
@snowpools8498 6 ай бұрын
Yeah honestly I would put her above raiden. There's almost never an abyss that I don't use her. Like aside from all the dendro teams, she can even bring some great value to a hu tao team despite being electro
@anthonyye8629 6 ай бұрын
As a Childe, it pain me to see him drop a tier but I agree.
@ZyklonFX 6 ай бұрын
He is still one of the most fun character and thats all we need
@kirkalmeida 6 ай бұрын
I personally think children are our future and should be very highly rated
@faistarTV 6 ай бұрын
If solo, his power level feels like standard banner character. But hes doing well because he is hydro (best element) and his best teams is easy to build. If only he was released post 2.0 patch, his c6 would probably be at c1. C4 to c2. His C4 niche will be like non crit hits will still trigger riptide effects. And his C6 would be damage % up like all those newer units, example every time riptide procs, your crit rate and crit damage will be increase by 4% up to 40% and you will gain the same amount of hydro damage bonus. Additionally, after your riptide burst hits enemies, using your knowledge of foul legacy, you will deal additional electro damage based of your burst modifier. Or so I hoped for.
@Al-exis 20 күн бұрын
@@kirkalmeidaChildren?😭
@Leo-ds5dt 6 ай бұрын
It's weird people rank Mona so low when even with Furina's existence, many still use Mona for character showcases. I doubt she's the least valued standard character lol
@ashenzenden 6 ай бұрын
showcases arent practical and they mean nothing except for a screenshot. mona is garbage in actual abyss usage
@spartantraveler7251 6 ай бұрын
@@ashenzendenexcept in Ayaka teams, otherwise you are right.
@flamezforthegamez1056 6 ай бұрын
@@ashenzendenI'd say Mona still even has places that aren't showcase based. She is a great support and elemental applicator for Navia and is the second hydro for the Dehya double hydro vape teams. She is also second choice for hydro application for Ayaka teams, especially if Kokomi is used elsewhere with Furina or if one isn't owned. But yeah, outside of that, her usage isn't as extended as other have been throughout 4.0
@Leo-ds5dt 6 ай бұрын
@@ashenzenden I could argue that character usage in abyss is not the ultimate indicator of a character's value simply because abyss changes every now and then. Likewise, Ayaka teams can't be used when the enemies have high cryo res or are cryo enemies but Ayaka is still a top tier character regardless. Mona can pretty much be a support or dps depending how you use her. She's generally viable to be ranked super low and considered the least valued standard character. The flaw of this tier list is that Furina seems to be the absolute indicator of any character's value and I do not think that is how it should be.
@irena4929 6 ай бұрын
Mona is trash lmao cope with your damage per screenshot
@MaxDesal 6 ай бұрын
Ganyu+Furina Freeze is actually pretty comfy to play. Using her in a blizzard strayer set. And if you haven't tried it yet i would highly recommend it.
@episode4882 6 ай бұрын
You can literally play freeze bloom and it will clear faster
@HazZzel- 6 ай бұрын
I've played it and it's quite fun, but I prefer using Ganyu as an Ayaka support. Her burst is pretty useful
@H2Ocup 6 ай бұрын
@@episode4882 Bro pulled that out of his ass 💀
@Demigod2NE3 6 ай бұрын
I kinda agree. Ganyu burst and Ayato as well are amazing for support instead
@HazZzel- 6 ай бұрын
@@H2Ocup No Fr tho. If you playing bloom then you want Nilou, and running Nilou with anything other than hydro and dendro is cursed ASF
@zanzatbc 6 ай бұрын
This is such a great way of presenting a tier list! Just like you said in the beginning of the video, I love tier lists, and Regardless of my personal bias and opinions on the placements, you did a very thorough job and I can’t imagine the amount of time and effort it took you to complete this. Thank you for your work!
@arimaackerman7769 6 ай бұрын
Useless tier list, cyno T1 equal to neuvilette, the worst tier list I ever see
@freekingfreaking246 6 ай бұрын
lol @@arimaackerman7769
@user-zq7qs8hs5f 6 ай бұрын
Fischl is not out of meta. She is in Neuvilette team. On the other hand cudos for recognizing how underrated is Klee.
@ArcheoneGaming 6 ай бұрын
For me Neuvilette is his own team. He is so strong i dont really need to make a team for him. So my teambuilding became like "What 3 team can i make that hold itself well enough for their own rotation and i can use neuvilette on his own" That became Fischl, YaoYao and Bennet. And honestly im thinking of replacing Bennet for Layla, but i havent build her yet. Basically Fischl and YaoYao (and Layla) do nothing on field. You place down a "turret" with long range, swap to Neuvilette and float around in the distance melting enemies with your charged attack while the enemies continously get dendro and electro procs. Its so good. I just dont know of the freeze from Layla will interfere with these reactions... But my god is it annoying to be slapped around on Neuvilette.
@FliponYT 6 ай бұрын
My flex is that I helped
@spartantraveler7251 6 ай бұрын
Hi Flip, how was Christmas? Also happy new year and wish you the best of luck in gacha and in life!!!
@user-fe9ps1ll9b 6 ай бұрын
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@hriday.b9423 6 ай бұрын
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@FliponYT 6 ай бұрын
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@FliponYT 6 ай бұрын
@@spartantraveler7251it was great, thanks brother hope it was great for you too
@Kouku04 6 ай бұрын
Lyney sometimes get underestimate by general ppl. I absolutely agree with you that he can closely compete with hutao in terms of dmg output and sometimes get faster clear time. Basically its about proficiency and your prefered playstyle.
@actionjackson6943 6 ай бұрын
I have been using Noel since I started playing and even though I like other characters more I can't seem to survive without her. The ability to shield everyone for a while allows me to ignore enemy attacks and focus on elemental combos and eventually go back to her to heal the entire party and set up another shield fits my play style very well. Really glad they give you a Noel in the newbe banner.
@Marz333 6 ай бұрын
Navia is definitely a step in the right direction for geo I wouldn’t have gotten her if she didn’t have so much promise and being very future proof in her kit. Not needing mono geo gives her so much flexibility she can even be a good sub dps in Neuvi/Lyney teams etc.
@Raidenmommy89 5 ай бұрын
I got her on ar 10 imagine the pain of walking from mondstat to Fontaine just to level her up to 40
@themaladaptiveotter 6 ай бұрын
Go back and readjust Ningguang to low T3 tier plss. She’s a really solid sub-dps for Navia teams, and her quickswap burst playstyle allows for better energy management 💀
@cornflakebutsilly 6 ай бұрын
sub-dps is a character that does constant off field damage, Ning does not do that, her energy gen is not that great, subpar burst damage, a very measly 12% geo dmg bonus. Many players just have Zhongli and he is just superior in every aspect. And being a free to play downgrade on one good dps character's team and being useless elsewhere does not help her cause.
@Axterix13 6 ай бұрын
@@cornflakebutsilly Not every aspect. Zhongli is just crappy energy regen. Hate seeing him in co-op groups for this reason, even if he's C2. Ning's particle generation is good, but you need C2 and you have to space the E use 6s apart if you want her to play a battery role. That said, Zhongli while boost the damage of the non-geo members of the team, and his shield means you'll benefit from geo resonance. The main issues with Ning are that, like many four stars, she needs cons to be decent, and in her case, all the way up to c6. And then she needs heavy investment on top of that, to produce decent numbers. She also lacks good sustained DPS. E, burst, E, charged attack packs quite a wallop, but once that's done, crappy damage for a bit. But decent numbers she can produce with that heavy investment. I love my Ning, and she has that level of investment, although it dropped slightly when I stole her original artifacts for Navia. Which means in the open world, a lot of camps I use Ning over Navia, because Ning will clean most camps out faster than Navia can, and typically all the support I give her is Kuki's E... and that's mostly for Navia's benefit. She's also way better at tearing down shields. However, that inability to sustain means that against higher hp camps, she doesn't work well. So between the need for cons, the not having many team options, and the high investment, she definitely has issues. So yeah, understandable that most people use Zhongli. He's easy to build, easy to play, and helps the entire team. Also, wouldn't recommend people who lack Zhongli to majorly invest in Ning just for Navia. At least not until we see what Chiori has to offer. But that said, anyone who rates t4 just hasn't used a high investment Ning. And since this list does use C6 for four stars, she's underrated.
@themaladaptiveotter 6 ай бұрын
@@cornflakebutsilly Oh, has the definition always been that way? I always thought sub-dps referred to a character delegated with a general quickswap-y dmg dealer role. Regardless of definition tho, I do still stand by her being a solid unit, esp in Navia setups, since I noticed that there’s a enough of a downtime after dropping Navia’s skill to squeeze in Ning’s burst for even more dmg. I am a Ning main, but I understand that she doesn’t belong in the very good tier, even with C6. Still, I find her to have a better foothold after Navia’s release, as the two are synergistic with one another. That is, they both produce particles upon demand and facilitate crystallize shields for each other such that there’s a good balance between offensive and defensive capabilities (this taking into account the constancy of invulnerability during burst). They both have atk-scaling talents too, which helps them benefit from benny’s ridiculous support. I’m actually impressed that the genshin devs had enough of a mind to arrange Navia’s trial with the ideal team comp I had in mind for her pre-release. 😂 Needless to say, I got really happy when Navia got released, because I was finally able to consistently beat raiden pre-robot transformation with Ning’s teams, a feat I can’t do easily with ZL as fourth slot (in either just Ning or just Navia teams). With more consideration, I imagine that Ning at the very least deserves to be in a spot higher than the lowest tier. 🥲 Yes, she is outshined by many, but I wouldn’t call her underperforming at all.
@jeromevolk 6 ай бұрын
Collei's prime performance is as one of the dendro choice in a nilou bloom team. Her frontloaded dendro application is insane
@vladimirk7686 6 ай бұрын
Tbh I don't get it at all. Why do you even need this "front loaded dendro application" when you have nahida giving constant dendro on enemies?..
@jeromevolk 6 ай бұрын
@@vladimirk7686 I'm not saying on running collei alone as the only dendro application for nilou teams. Using her together with nahida would be the play. You'd be surprised
@vladimirk7686 6 ай бұрын
@@jeromevolk but what is the reason to use collei over other dendro option? I use Baizhu now, sometimes Yao Yao.
@Elrog3 6 ай бұрын
@@vladimirk7686 Top Nilou speedruns use Collei. Unless you are being very precise in your play though you don't need to use her over other dendro options. Baizhu is a great pick for comfort if you aren't using Kokomi. Yao Yao takes up a lot of field time to be able to heal well.
@feathersinthewind 6 ай бұрын
@@vladimirk7686Collei is the best dendro option if your second hydro is Kokomi, since Collei can keep up with Kokomi's hydro app during her burst. If you don't play Kokomi, she's probably less valuable, but she still gets you a lot more blooms than Baizhu and YaoYao given her better dendro application.
@Daddy_Of_Haruwu 6 ай бұрын
Sir neuvillette is a beast. I run him and tartaglia ( for hydro res and +1 NA lvl.) And that's it. Like i never need to worry what's the enemy ( except hydro immune one) when he's in the party . The ease of playing him , doing kamehameha to destroy everything is so fun for me
@mickysaif 6 ай бұрын
exactly, I love using childe in one more team now even though he just exists there kekw
@verzetta 6 ай бұрын
A heads up just in case to people who might not know yet, elemental resonance is only activated with a full team (4 team members). Meaning if we only bring or deploy 2 characters like Neuvi and Tartaglia (and no others), there won't be hydro resonance.
@Demigod2NE3 6 ай бұрын
I agree but without a shield and C1 he feels crap if you get staggered by enemies while charging.
@Daddy_Of_Haruwu 6 ай бұрын
@@verzetta thanks for reminding buddy i checked. Did they update it or was it from beginning. I'm lil confused about it now.
@eggpam8908 6 ай бұрын
@Demigod2NE3 People soloed abyss with c0 prototype amber neuvillette with 36 stars. Maybe your build isnt good enought or you play at 380ms like I do.
@taqito02 6 ай бұрын
-As an Alhaitham main, he doesn't need Nahida (and I'm saying this bcuz I don't have her). Obv having her in the same team would increase his dmg a lot, but I run a quickbloom team with Kuki, Yaoyao and Furina and he deals 24k-50k with his skill (3 mirrors). Also I run him with HoD and some shitty artifacts and he still clears the abyss. -As for Neuvillette I'd just put him in S tier. Yeah not having interruption resistance is a pain, but there have been many players that solo the abyss with him only running a Prototype Amber (c0 obv). I don't have him but he's really busted it's hilarious.
@natalies8498 6 ай бұрын
Speaking as a Neuvillette main (who LOVES him as a character) - and runs Haitham on the other side (LOL - I still need to fully build him/better build him), I think the abyss solos are not the best example of why he's broken (although it is one bit of it!). To be fair, it's in part because the Abyss's HAVE been tailored for him, but I DO agree that DESPITE the last one and now this one not REALLY being completely tailored to him as much, I'm STILL seeing people solo with him, and it is HILARIOUS to me. [Literally saw a C0R0 run just the other day... although maybe it was C0R1 run...] I think the one thing he has going for him though that I didn't see mentioned is his INSANE self-sustain - and the way he can max out Furina's buffs ON HIS OWN, which makes him all that much more broken-tiered. Speaking as someone who does NOT play well or do all that good with combat. -_-" His comfiness for me to play as someone who is NOT that skilled, and also the ease I've had building him (although, again, probably still not the best artifacts) compared to my continued struggle building Alhaitham better...) is what makes him higher for me. Then again, I'm still relatively new to the game, and I have many more characters I still need to get and try out. That and I need to really focus on building my Yelan... if only that Chasm boss wasn't such a pain in the butt to fight. >>"
@jagmbaksvshsh 6 ай бұрын
haitham without nahida aoe loses his power a lot
@crimo1692 6 ай бұрын
Neuv without furina is the same as Haitham without Nahida if not worse, people are just biased due to favorable abyss for neuv, go and try out his damage at c0r0 without furina..
@natalies8498 6 ай бұрын
@@crimo1692 I would say his comfiness for me isn't about damage at all - but then again, my main priorities aren't really the abyss or anything. I know that the prior abysses really favored him (although I still see some people solo with him C0R0 even now - but that won't be me; I don't have it in me to redo combat over and over again, because I don't enjoy it). I just find him to be one of the easiest DPS characters I've built in game - as in most of my DPS are only partially built, but he works for all the things I need him for and his self-sustain is a BIG plus for me. If we're talking about optimizing/maximizing damage numbers, then yes, all the DPS characters need their optimal supports/best cons to do their best damage (I would argue that is true BY DEFINITION for most DPS/support relationships), but I think OP was just saying both Haitham and Neuvi are still usable even without their best supports (as someone who has saved up specifically so I can get all the Archons - for lore/story reasons - I'm sure I'll see the difference if/when I run them together, but at this point, I'm GLAD Genshin isn't a game that I can't enjoy without certain characters).
@crimo1692 6 ай бұрын
@@natalies8498 Fair enough, I agree with him being comfortable. Exploration is also quite easy with a dps like neuvillette
@StanTheWoz 6 ай бұрын
Wanderer above Navia is an interesting take, personally I feel like Navia has so many QoL factors and the damage is similar enough at comparable investment that I'd always rank her higher. Things like requiring C6 Faruzan (Navia does not require any specific unit other than *maybe* Bennett, who's much easier to get), way better rotational flexibility, more teammate flexibility, better AoE (this is subjective, but I find I can usually hit one or two extra enemies with the bulk of the damage from her E, which ends up being enough; with Wanderer his normal attacks are essentially single target and it's kind of awkward to keep enemies grouped enough with his charged attacks), much easier time slotting in defensive utility while also being less reliant on it, easier combos (this may be a skill issue on my part but I almost always flub at least one hit on any Wanderer combo I try to stick with, whether that be N3, N2C, or CCCCCCC), and probably a few other things I can't immediately remember. For context, I have a C0 Wanderer with Lost Prayers, top 4% build on Akasha with around 220 CV, C6 Faruzan. So it's not like my build is just garbage or anything like that. Navia C0R1. Regardless, they're both good units and should be in the same tier, I agree with that. I think pretty much every good hypercarry should fall in T1.
@wellwellwell881 6 ай бұрын
I think Navia is stronger too, by herself. She just doesn't have access to a character like C6 Faruzan. Faruzan at C6 is just that broken of a support. Basically if Gorou was attack scaling, then I think Navia would be top tier. Either way she's good enough even without that.
@legendramon 6 ай бұрын
You’re pretty lucky to get c6 Faruzan with a C0 wanderer. I’m still stuck with a c2 Faruzan despite investing around 200+ pulls on her banner. For that reason alone, Navia >>> Wanderer.
@ajbrawlstars8844 6 ай бұрын
Wanderer is very underrated just becuz we need c6 faruzan to function people just think he's mid or else but he's far way better than any dps char probably no.2 dps after neuvillette being no.1
@akila3002 6 ай бұрын
@@ajbrawlstars8844 In what world 😂. Wanderer with C6 Faruzan is still not one of the best.
@benutzernamenichtverfugbar4977 6 ай бұрын
@@ajbrawlstars8844 Wanderer is strong, but only if u don't care about pull value. The thing is, literally no one besides Wanderer mains has a C6 Faruzan. And since his early cons aren't that strong, it's not worth pulling past C0 on it's own. So if u have to get his C1 or even C2 until u got C6 Faruzan, you wasted a lot of resin. You can play Wanderer with Furina, and getting her C2 would be a much bigger team dps increase than Wanderer C2. And you can play Furina almost everywhere, while your C6 Faruzan and you C2 Wanderer will be used in only one single team.
@jamesrochester2459 6 ай бұрын
C6 Sayu doesn't need to on-field to heal for Furina. Give her Healing Bonus circlet not EM, and most critically enough ER to burst on cooldown.
@kanoaika 5 ай бұрын
Agree on that one. Even pre c6 I think it is doable depending on the team. Is it as easy as Jean? No (based off of calcs; I don't have Jean). But does it work at least as well as or better than Bennett, who he admits to work fine with Furina, particularly if you have at least C1, yes it does.
@Kmn483 6 ай бұрын
Neuvillette is so insane he made me spend for the first time. He's so strong with no investment and even a little vertical investment buffs him so hard. Can't wait for his rerun to get c1!
@mordakie3805 6 ай бұрын
Power crept pretty much every unit in the game ,,,
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 6 ай бұрын
@@mordakie3805 at c0 hes not better than alhaitham or even hutao
@pifon80085 6 ай бұрын
so boring gameplay tho
@Kmn483 6 ай бұрын
@@pifon80085 I'm in the opposite boat, I find him the most fun of any character I've trial'd so far. The ability to strafe and line up targets is so fun. It's not as intense as other characters, but it's very unique.
@pifon80085 6 ай бұрын
@@Kmn483 thats great like that hes strong and fun!
@Aless_11 6 ай бұрын
The difference between Layla and Mika is your investment in your team tbh because you don't need resistance to interruption if the enemies are already dead and Mika allows you to use furina making your team ceiling much much higher
@akifhossain5122 6 ай бұрын
Hi jello, really love your vids mate! You and flip are my go to for rationalizing the game without being overwhelmed I am curious about a topic though, which would probably make a good video: Which constellation of each 4 star completes them? Like some characters are more than viable at C0, other need C1 or C2 to be competitive. Some need even more, some are not worth the effort even at c6. Since the 4star pool is getting so diluted, a video like that would really help
@Aesthrage 6 ай бұрын
We really need this ASAP
@salceds 6 ай бұрын
Mika needing a lot of ER is kind of a myth these days considering Rightful Reward exists which helps both his healing and his energy requirements. Most people try build him like Bennett and a battery which means ER/HP/Crit, Noblesse and Fav Lance and they wonder where his healing went but I found more success building him as a true Furina bot with HP/HP/HB Healing Bonus and HP sets and R5 Rightful Reward, I have him at 180% ER and I find it to be rather comfortable, if he's C4 I can go as low as 140%. *This is in the context of a Furina/Raiden/Mika/Eula team
@asterion3587 6 ай бұрын
with Raiden is much less Energy lol
@salceds 6 ай бұрын
@@asterion3587 C4 and Rightful Reward already reduces his burst cost to 39
@thuaners 6 ай бұрын
i think Dehya should be Tier 0 because shes the only character in the game that will not die from sheer cold in Dragonspine :D 💪
@Anonymous-wv6zb 6 ай бұрын
Tru
@nabilzulkepli5745 6 ай бұрын
but we are not only playing with the sheer cold environment... maybe when Snezhnaya out she will be a great unit again.
@FarikoWishless 6 ай бұрын
Something tells me sheer cold will only be in some spots of shneznaya despite what childe says just because the feedback to it was negative even though looking back they gave us alot to set on fire. But being forced to use pyro was annoying... wait thats every region with exploration forcing you to use it lol natlan wont be different then. @@nabilzulkepli5745
@kibathefang6022 6 ай бұрын
As someone who has both Xiao and Wanderer and used them with same teammates (Bennett, Faruzan and Furina), Xiao - easier to use when no shielder. And for multiple enemies it's just ridiculous how good he gets. Wanderer - better for single target, but needs shielder more because dodging not in time with the indicator is a loss in damage.
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 6 ай бұрын
xiao is better in st than wanderer tho? his collision plunge rivals vv vape hutao CA
@banjoowo4001 6 ай бұрын
Xiao is better in every way lol, not to mention cloud retainer is knocking now
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 6 ай бұрын
Wanderer Calc : 49k + 48k + 35k(x2) per NA string =167k x6 = 1002k + 38k(x5) burst + 5k(x4) x2 sprint passive = 1232k dpr ÷ 20s rot ( 61k dps ) Xiao Calcs : (120k + 50k) collision plunges x8 + (80k + 30k) no benny buff collision plunges x4 + 40k x2 skill = 1880k dpr ÷ 20s rot = ( 94k dps )
@sweatymobilegamer784 6 ай бұрын
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzI mean it when I say that I'm not taking sides. I'm just here to say that you pulled those numbers straight outta your a**.
@PrimeEvans 6 ай бұрын
xiao mains talking real loud mind you they aren’t even using xiao in abyss themselves and the usage rates prove it. 😂
@Shane_A_M 6 ай бұрын
I think that dendro MC still goes crazy for new players since their constellations are free.
@choco5629 6 ай бұрын
wait ur right, cuz u dont have any goid dendro supports, so i randomly decided to level up dendro traveller talents and give him deepwood. Literally soo good
@Shane_A_M 6 ай бұрын
@@choco5629I put nobless on mine and it’s great for Aggravate Raiden. Between their passive and R5 sapwood blade they’re sharing 180 em and 20% attack and even some Elemental damage percent. So good for being free.
@choco5629 5 ай бұрын
@@Shane_A_M yea, altough imma pull for nahida in 4.4, i sort of do the same thing for him, but in a hyperbloom setup with raiden and kokomi.
@BulgarianBall9777 5 ай бұрын
How did you get this tier list? I've been searching and the last one with the characters on a card is from 3.7
@elderman64 6 ай бұрын
I remember seeing this tier list back when you made it and I disagreed with so many things. But now i pretty much agree for the most part, perhaps as you gained more experience with testing you got to the right conclusions or maybe I was wrong back then. But great video overall, keep going 😊
@anwarkaramany906 6 ай бұрын
I've been 36 staring the abyss with kokomi, furina, yaoyao, fischl and that team is truly the most fun I've had in this game. The comfort of both kokomi and yaoyao being able to burst and spend their full on field time during their bursts, furina having either option to charge her ult up when needed and fischl just doing her thing is so comfy to use and consistent. I use the new event catalyst on kokomi and her autos do really good damage with it
@eggpam8908 6 ай бұрын
Infinite pet team
@glory_m99 6 ай бұрын
What a great work you put in this video, thank you ^ ^
@NumberUp1 6 ай бұрын
This was really fun to watch! Great content!
@JEFF-we9cx 6 ай бұрын
As a mobile player I can tell you right now that ganyu is so underrated. Her burn melt team and standard melt is hella good. She easily goes into T1
@SeoulNotFound 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely not T1
@mayureshjoshi4075 6 ай бұрын
@@SeoulNotFounddefinitely T1
@callme_dc 5 ай бұрын
As someone with a hyper invested f2p amos melt ganyu, I love her but she is defo T2
@elrodtherocker 6 ай бұрын
I got Ayato early when not going for him and I am very happy. I found use for my spare good gladiator pieces and he is solid.
@n1h1l. 6 ай бұрын
Incredible complete video as always! Great video! Happy new years, gamers!
@Jacksonians 6 ай бұрын
Furina deserves the spot after all shes been through. She on the revenge arc now 😂
@Usernameunknown23 6 ай бұрын
She deserves more suffering
@djampoucheukap1742 6 ай бұрын
Recency bias
@GoldenTrapper_ 6 ай бұрын
@@djampoucheukap1742 she's only gonna get better as more healers release
@lugchug8304 6 ай бұрын
@@djampoucheukap1742 not at all lol. she's gonna remain one of the best supports and theyre gonna have to base characters with healing abilties around her and she's gonna be able to be used with EVERY character ingame eventually
@Jacksonians 6 ай бұрын
@@djampoucheukap1742 lil bro lost the 50/50
@masterjedicat 6 ай бұрын
Although she's more fun to play, Candace is a less useful and less powerful unit than Dendro MC and Collei at least because she requires on-field characters to use normal attacks to work (and for other reasons)
@joethebreak 5 ай бұрын
As a non-Klee haver, it's pretty hard for me to believe that Klee is better than Ayato.
@sebastianbaumruker80 6 ай бұрын
I like the list for the most part. Great job also giving all the context, because that makes it so, so much more useful than just a screenshot of the list when trying to explain to friends why certain teams/characters are just stronger than others. It was funny to me when you said people will be suprised how high you placed Navia. I would place her even a bit higher. The frontload is what really makes her perform much better than she should. Have you ever tried Yanfay burgeon? I haven't tried it but from what I've seen she is very close to Klee in that team and gives her even more team flexability. Also I have a feeling that Yoimiya might be one of the characters that can work well with Chevrouse. Perhaps even together with Baidou to solve those single target locked issues. Excited to try that but I feel Chevrous constalations will be really crucial for that (c6 obviously but c4 might also be crucial depending on how her attack buff and heal interact with the multi Es ... could allow a full dps build on Chevrous without sacrificing buffing + maxing out the new healer set which if it ever is good, buffing Yoimiya should be the place as its effectivly a small Yun Juin on an artifact set)
@yrlowendtheory 6 ай бұрын
This is a really unbiased tier list. I really appreciate that there are characters in A tier you don’t like to use like Klee that you still acknowledge do good numbers per rotation and have good teams. There are a lot of people that underrate Scara/Xiao, so that was nice to see. But yes, I don’t agree with all the placements, but I do love this list. Thank you for all the good content!
@pankace3296 6 ай бұрын
I think it's worth mentioning that Zhongli's stock is rising as Genshin's enemy lineup continues to favor more enemies who can actually kill you but don't have THAT much HP. Zhongli is absolutely way more valuable against Coppelia than he used to be vs Geovishap or PMA. Defensive utility is better as a whole than it used to be, and it still gets downplayed a lot I think
@caeyll4962 6 ай бұрын
When you build your Xinyan, try her as shieldbot (Sacrificial Sword, 3x DEF artifacts) and slot her in your Lyney team to replace Zhongli. Lyney-Lynnette-Xinyan-Bennett is a really fun team that maximises Lyney passive. The 12s Lynette taunt takes the pressure off Xinyan shield being weaker (but you refresh it up to 3x anyway). One Xinyan E to funnel to Bennett or Lyney is amazing to keep the rotations going endlessly. Plus Lyney gets a lot of field time charging shots on Bennett burst while Lynette is constantly re-applying VV shred on her 12s burst. It’s actually an insanely fun and comfortable team!
@sumbunniii8721 6 ай бұрын
Kirara basically replaced diona by not only giving an EM buff to the team and being dendro but having the second strongest shield in the game 💀💀
@Elrog3 6 ай бұрын
I'm fairly confident the second strongest shield in the game is Zhongli's. So who's is the strongest? Also Zhongli's. The second strongest is just with 1 less hp substat. Ok ok done trolling. I think you are right that Kirara silently killed off Diona while nobody was paying attention.
@jasonhartman6092 6 ай бұрын
I don't think this tier list is unbiased at all. I feel like every support was compared to the assumption that Furina was going to be the best character. Is Furina one of the most valuable characters to have? Yes. Is she required to play in every team composition? No. Hell, you have 4 slots to work with, so it's not like you really have to choose between her and other supports in a lot of cases. Like in some cases, you said that whatever character isn't as good as Furina but somehow rated Faruzan, and at c6 no less, in T1 even though she literally only works with 2 characters. How is that not biased? I think there are way too many team compositions to rank all of these characters in a vacuum. Is freeze better than hyperbloom? Or is a Neuvillette team better than Hu Tao vape? It's all subjective. Sure you can rank each character as they fit into a specific team comp or how many comps they fit into, thus determining their value, but to say Shehe is T1 just because you "keep loving" her does not necessarily make her an excellent character. I have a lot of disagreements with a lot of the placements of characters on this list but at the end of day, this is your opinion, but by definition, that makes you biased to a certain extent.
@tgamagedon 6 ай бұрын
With Itto he's often a pretty decent grouper himself. He does so much poise damage, that you can just naturally scoop up enemies and whip them across the field.
@zackf6696 6 ай бұрын
That sneaky Fischl placement save near the end, my guy remembered the A4 passive lol
@beancake 6 ай бұрын
I started watching without realizing the video is one hour and twenty minutes long-- Imagining your tier list video two years from now being like 4 hours or something haha. Was interesting to hear your thoughts; I loved how in depth you were with each character and talked about what teams their good on, how contellations change them, etc. I think your ranking of Yanfei is the most surprising by far for me -- I can't picture her better than where rosaria, etc. are. Yoimiya also seems a bit high, Since you play her a lot your skill level with her is probably better than most at this point. I do feel that damage ceiling was overprioritized in determining the best units. I think for me I'd just move every on-field DPS unit besides the top 3 DPS units down 5 spaces due to the fact that they are on-field DPS's since they're not as valuable and most easily replaceable. Other than that, it might be good to define acronyms the first time their used, like VV. It can help newer players -- at least if I were watching this video 3 months ago I wouldn't have understood some of the lingo. Thanks again for investing so much time in this video and testing every character!
@MikaKim-qr4fm 6 ай бұрын
I respect your opinion, but I don't believe you explored into the full potential of all units, considering that you have some incredibly interesting picks.
@Darkxification 6 ай бұрын
It's crazy that people don't think furina is good. It's just that anti healing mentality thats been drilled into their head for years i guess. Furina is one of the only characters I've actively wanted to get constellations on so my view is a bit skewed with C2, but she's in every single team i use on overworld, and always in a abyss team every abyss. I was very pleasantly surprised with how good Navia felt too. I had little interest til her banner was out and gave her trial a shot as per usual. Idk something just clicked immediately and I loved the kit. I've been slowly building her up because her ascension item is a little annoying to get but I could easily use her for stuff at lvl 70 and it felt fine. With scuffed first week new relic cope sets. She is so fun.
@Array_EB 6 ай бұрын
I don’t know a single person who doesn’t think Furina is good
@episode4882 6 ай бұрын
She’s dogshit outside of double hydro team, more specifically when not used with either Yelan or Neuvillette, ofc this only applies if she’s C0 ER issue is one thing, bringing teamwide healer + Furina takes up 2 slot sometimes can cause you to lose important utility like stagger resistance and hinder your gameplay experience by a lot, Jean is a dogshit teamwide healer too bcs of her E range being too short, sometimes it’s easy to miss when against enemies that can teleport or is just agile, she provides no survival utility until C6, just heal, and as enemies are doing higher and higher dmg, you can easily get one shot with your average 20k hp main dmg carry
@lugchug8304 6 ай бұрын
dont listen to the corny weirdos in your replies, furina is literally top 3 hydros
@Array_EB 6 ай бұрын
@@episode4882 I can’t even begin to tell you how wrong you are
@episode4882 6 ай бұрын
@@Array_EB you can’t bcs u know what I said was correct
@xxxFluffySheep 5 ай бұрын
wow, i just can imagine all the work u put into this video, it was really intresting. I like that u gave every character an accepable role
@ryanwebster5539 4 ай бұрын
Great video, I appreciate you take time to go through some detail on all the choices. Also that you're not necessarily calling anyone out but rather a reflection of the general gamestate
@trick8633 2 ай бұрын
Nevoelette not being at the top makes no sense this character is so broken
@FishoeShoe_da_great 6 ай бұрын
i agree absolutely, in the end it's pull who you wanna pull for but it's the support who make your favorites even stronger 🔥im deffo gonna roll for nahida and furina next time !!!
@big53mac38 6 ай бұрын
Been waiting a while for this to drop
@ericwitte53 6 ай бұрын
Fantàstic job done (again), Jello Impact!! So very much enjoyed listening the full 80 minutes at a stretch ... thanxx for all 'the work' !!
@ginsengaddict 6 ай бұрын
Minor correction: Qiqi *is* a team-wide healer if used on field. And a physical team with her, Furina, Ei and Mika and holding Clam and Aquila can do pretty damn good numbers. Granted, needing two archons, a standard 5-star weapon and c6 of a relatively new 4-star (who is supplementing her healing, no less) can be rough.
@destinyhunter1926 6 ай бұрын
Why would you use a physical damage dealer on field?
@khuz90 6 ай бұрын
If you like it, why not use it?@@destinyhunter1926
@kostas8537 6 ай бұрын
“Qiqi is a team wide healer if used on field but she also needs Mika for healing on her best team” Qiqi was my first main so I understand the need but bestie we are fighting in the trenches here 😭
@shiftingshadows13_Flurry 6 ай бұрын
I use her in a hyperbloom/fridge team with furina. Honestly seems more cost effective than physical to me. Still kinda cope though.
@Axterix13 6 ай бұрын
@@kostas8537 She doesn't need Mika for his healing. Mika is probably there for his damage related buffs. That said, I'd rather run Fischl, Beidou, Yae, Yelan, and a host of other characters over Mika. And I'd go with an R5 sacrificial sword over Aquila. Basically, treat it like the Noelle teams, where the off-fielders do the vast majority of the damage. Bit less provided by Qiqi, but more flexible, team-wise.
@achillesheals23 6 ай бұрын
Navia carrying geo on her back 🙌
@ednatopg3074 5 ай бұрын
Zhongli is right there bud 😹😹👎
@NumberUp1 6 ай бұрын
I would like to see a video of you reviewing trends in this tier list. Like where each element, weapon type, role, bis artifacts, ranks in general. And maybe speculate on the future. Cryo and Pyro have slightly fallen off, but we still have their signature regions coming up etc.
@ito4510 2 ай бұрын
I have C6 xinqiu with sac sword does that change his placement in T0?
@raisak.6262 6 ай бұрын
for me personally, Tartaglia is higher. I'm not a good player by any means, but like, if you give Tartaglia a good setup, it's easy for him to give you a quick clear time. like, I use him either before or after Kazuha (I know that's not how you use him, I've seen enough guides) and once he gets the riptide mark on, it's super easy to just defeat an enemy and see the domino affect of other enemies going down because of the aoe the riptide mark provides when the enemy is down
@JoyceGL 6 ай бұрын
Honestly, agreed. If "being hard to play" justifies a lower placement, then by that logic, hutao should be moved down since doing perfect tao rotations is arguably harder than internat since it also depends on ur reaction time and how fast ur device reacts to the inputs.
@H2Ocup 6 ай бұрын
Tartaglia is good, but he has only 1 team where he's good tbh. Take away even one of the characters, and he suffers very heavily. Hu tao has multiple team options, like furina yelan jean, hu tao hyper with xingqiu/yelan, etc.
@raisak.6262 6 ай бұрын
@@H2Ocup probably the Childe main in me or the fact that I can't really see the numbers when hitting enemies, but Tartaglia's fine in other teams too.
@JoyceGL 6 ай бұрын
@@raisak.6262 fr tho. Burgeon Childe > Burgeon hutao tbh. Electo-charged Childe feels better than overload hutao.
@Nole2701 6 ай бұрын
bruh childe does not belong on the same level as the T0 characters...
@HazZzel- 6 ай бұрын
I'm glad to see Lyney not get shit on for once, but Klee above Mona and Ganyu is insane 😭
@redvelvetisbetter.1377 6 ай бұрын
ik even klee above yoi and keqing is crazyy
@DefinitelyNotAFerret 6 ай бұрын
Huh?? Who shits on Lyney??
@HazZzel- 6 ай бұрын
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret Literally the whole community. Most people severely underrated him
@yrlowendtheory 6 ай бұрын
huh? mona is a bad unit just used for big screenshot numbers
@HazZzel- 6 ай бұрын
@@yrlowendtheory Mona is an excellent buffer tf you mean
@lancehalzen 6 ай бұрын
Happy New Year 🎉
@Troopertroll 6 ай бұрын
I'll bat for Ganyu - she is great solo dps both single target and AoE and doesn't require any other characters or constant carpal tunnel-inducing hot-swapping. Very comfy in exploration to be able to merc 20 enemies (or targets) in one hit from 1,000 miles away just from her charge attack. In boss fights she has a handy distraction skill that's active ~60% of the time, and a long duration cryo damage + application on her burst. The main issue I experience with her is the game geometry in inconsistent, and you will often get snagged on surfaces while aiming that you can walk over just fine while not aiming.
@arch391 6 ай бұрын
The Fontaine characters really changed the rankings. It is similar to that. The S tier now became A tier as Fontaine characters has become the new S teir. But I wonder why you don't include them in S teir like other.
@Anonymous-wv6zb 6 ай бұрын
Wow, I didn't expect to see such an accurate tier list, what I mean is that, for some characters, I see positionings that don't come close to making sense, like, recently there was a CN tournament where people would battle based on some criterias, and in that there was very much a surprise, one of the characters that was played less, managed to position in the top 10, above the best hu tao time, and with performances comparable with neuvillette c3r1 and raiden c3r1, that character being klee, and not only that, there was a possibility for her to beat some of the higher ranked nuvilette and raiden times, because there was a non registered output during chamber 2 rotation execusion. Even with said results, I still see people rank her even below the likes of qiqi and aloy... Since her release, I didn't understand the argument to pur her so low in the tier list, some abyssal moon's ago, I even managed to surpass with her the times of my c2r1 raiden, I thought I was tripping balls, I knew that she was underrated, but as the best consistent times were with her I was shocked, and with the recent tournament, it all seems to make a little more sense now...
@Anonymous-wv6zb 6 ай бұрын
My only changes would be, I would position raiden a tier higher for a multitude of reasons, same with sucrose, I may be tempted do do the same with fischl by even there she is fine, I would lower wanderer position just a tad, mostly for his performance in some aoe situations, I would lower cyno by one rank, and maybe move noelle a bit up since the release of furina, but it's already great that she's being acknowledged, Would improve a bit yoimiya positioning, mostly because I had better times with her in very spread aoe scenarios than hu tao, mostly because hu tao charged hardly hit enemies inside venti's burst, having you chase enemies that don't aggro you, like archers, while with yoimiya, with decent positioning, she could manage to snipe them even when across the arena. I didn't had a great experience with mika, mostly regarding regarding flexibility and gains compared to other options, so I would probably move him down a tier. While preferring to but mona, diona and rosaria up a tier. And move up a tier traveler geo, maybe because I'm a bit influenced by the fun I'm having with him inside a zhongli 4 gilded team XD
@Anonymous-wv6zb 6 ай бұрын
3:17 how is it that anytime I visit your channel i get even more proud than before to have subscribed to you had having found your channel, for quite sometime I've been disappointed by tier lists, but I after I was relieved by the character positioning, I find myself appreciating even more just the introduction. I hope to see the community to research in some characters and team composition more, to do a more in depth research rather than giving a misleading idea, and tier lists not just being a wall of fire for most, and concluding in a copycat of what people are used to hear because of the risk of judgement, for having a different prospective, that it's probably derived by other criteria and mechanics to them unknown. One of those I've experienced was the likes of klee, raiden during release, hu tao potential, noelle prejudice regarding power levels, that were similar to Xiao's even before furina's release, lisa viability ecc... That costed me and others many insults, just for trying to argue that they were being underappreciated.
@Anonymous-wv6zb 6 ай бұрын
7:19 it's funny that you mention this, I'm an amber main and I even managed to beat spiral abyss with her, time to time, and it's also one of the reasons I was striving for a better rosaria, diona and sucrose placement, I didn't bother with amber because I understand how difficult is to get a good result with her...
@Anonymous-wv6zb 6 ай бұрын
7:49 I would have also probably mentioned her use in xingqiu vape nuke teams.
@Anonymous-wv6zb 6 ай бұрын
10:40 the only thing I disagree with, I don't think that furina's release made her a subpar option in many teams... For example, with characters with mostly front loaded dmg or when used in situations where you wouldn't have a reliable source to increase party's hp without ceasing your on-field dmg dealer to be on-field, she is very much a better option. One experience could be mine, where I had better results with mona, in those last few abyss, in my raiden c2 hypercarry teams, especially in the recently ended one, where her hydro application coming from multiple sources also came into play, enabling me to do even faster clears with her, because other than only being a catalyst, there also was the dash and c2 in play, that many seasoned players may already have... I would probably value a diminishing use for kokomi in freeze teams since the release of furina... As kokomi was once the only comfy option that didn't do as much harm to the best freeze teams as to substituting other options, but now, after the release of furina, you via a tap can also have an healer in the team, and it's surprising how good she is at it even with a dps build, contributing to the overall team dmg via her personal deriving one and her burst amplifying abilities...
@jayhawker8200 6 ай бұрын
Happy new years
@pipysnipy5929 6 ай бұрын
I’ve been sleeping on collie for ages but something clicked and I paired her with neuv and it’s so good 😮like her skill has a decent amount of uptime at c6 which is great for bloom or hyperbloom
@Axterix13 6 ай бұрын
She's always been equal (with cons) to DMC in my book, and i prefer her over DMC personally, but I think the main thing holding her back (besides needing to get those cons) is the small radius on her AoE. If that was the size of DMC's, there would be no question whatsoever as to which one was better.
@ferend4038 6 ай бұрын
Hi, happy new year everyone
@usmanya5110 6 ай бұрын
hmm.. when it comes to Al you don't need nahida, Nahida is mostly just a huge oomph and higher ceiling but he still works fine without her. like i think he's more reliant with deepwood and electro unit than nahida. but i still think he's T1 since i don't think he can compare to what nahida can do, like al has higher damage but nahida has so much more stuff in her kit.
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 6 ай бұрын
her kit is dysfuntional to her own, her buff isnt even worth using in her best team aka double hydro hyperbloom, alhaitham uses that buff better than her lol
@reactiondavant-garde3391 6 ай бұрын
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz Buffers are always like this though, this is why they are buffers. Sucrose buff the team not herself, Yelan only buffs herself if she is on field, Baizhu only buffs himself if he is on field, etc. It is a team game, this is not a negative. (Furina the only real exception)
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 6 ай бұрын
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 thats the exact reason why alhaitham would be in the same tier as nahida, she got a loaded kit yet she cant take advantage of them herself , she can apply dendro off field, but its slow , she can on field for hyperbloom team but being a small body type shes clunky to play ie slow movement, short sprint distance, etc while alhaitham is all dmg, as all dps should be, great scaling , consistent , special icd, fast animations, agile, takes advantage of team buffs to sky rocket his own dmg, has built in bonus dmg% , scales heavily with artifact investment, isnt too picky with teammates , isnt expensive , can work amazingly well with 3-4 star weapon , works amazingly in both aoe and st, great f2p option and is the peak of dendri teams, at c0 atleast.
@reactiondavant-garde3391 6 ай бұрын
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz I think characters who can only aplly there elements on-field and doesn't prvide buffs to the team should not be put the same level as charatcers who can. Nahida off-field dendro application is extremly good because she is the only charatcer who can apply 2 unit of dendro in one tick. + She buffs the team a lot as well AND she have a good personal damage as well in AoE situations. I think Alhaitham is good, but I think putting them into two different Tire is pretty much given, because how much flexible Nahida is.
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 6 ай бұрын
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 nahida only applies 1.5U dendro every 2.1s at most in off field, alhaitham has special icd, applies dendro faster, and has the dmg to back him up, hes got the base dmg to completely obliterate any dps at c0/f2p , while being able to slot in to a hyperbloom/quickbloom team without the need for nahida, still being meta, also being able to apply dendro off field isnt that important, this isnt like hydro where you need alot of elemental application just to do reactions, even dendro mc would be enough to fill as a hyperbloom driver, even kaveh and yaoyao can and her having long range isnt that important, since your electro char is gonna be the bottle-neck anyways, like raiden can apply raiden from afar but only at the radius of the slashes, kuki applies it around your character, ironically perfect for alhaitham, in nilou teams, alhaitham has the personal dmg to be better than nahida to completely replace her and drive it better than her especially in st / bossing , and here nahida burst isnt as impactful again, since the bloom generator is random, but alhaitham you can guarantee whos producing the cores since he has special 2 hit icd, attacks fast, moves fast , covers a lot more distance with his sprint, and also scales heavily on EM or you can pair them together to create real meta teams
@thearchivist250 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the Charlotte shout out. I’m building her up right now, and glad my efforts are not wasted.
@Lumiphatom 6 ай бұрын
This is one of your best videos. Thanks for the content.
@mordakie3805 6 ай бұрын
Ganyu is really good imo ..great damage with her charge attack and off field cryo application with a burst that also can do great damage ..also her flower distracts mobs ..i lover her
@Amethyst.i 6 ай бұрын
37:58 so true, I have her at level 20 just leveling her friendship and her heals are good enough to keep me alive in a Furina team which is pretty insane
@ChadYu 6 ай бұрын
I've had the same experience. Charlotte's healing is ridiculously good.
@MRLawrence99 5 ай бұрын
Fischl should definitely still be T0, she's absoluty broken in any team as the second electro unit or even as the only electro on the team. She's BiS for aggravate but that doesn't mean she isn't insane fot other teams as well. I really hope you try her in taser with Kokomi, Furina and Kazuha. That team shreds through anything, it actually feels much stronger than mono Hydro with Yelan in her place.
@ZyklonFX 5 ай бұрын
excatly people here comment that fischl can be replacable while she is the best 4* that can do high off field dmg and provides a good amount of energy. additionally she is easy to build and can be played with c0 because her a4 is so good.
@jerryoxo 4 ай бұрын
New drinking game: shot every time the Furina is mentioned lol
@faerieinwonderland 6 ай бұрын
Something underrated for Mika that is mentioned often in MikaMain subreddit is using Fontaine's craftable polearm Rightful Reward instead of favonius lance. It solves his energy problem and gives him hp. I also use Ocean Hued Clam for Mika and he gives a lot of healing!!! I use him with Wanderer
@0XsamuX0 6 ай бұрын
I think this is the tier list in which I agree with you the most. There are some placements I disagree with, and I still do think it comes down to our own judgement. Like you said, Genshin combat is way too versatile for us to agree fully with another in meta rankings. I am glad to say that I mostly disagree with your takes in Tier 1 and 2, with maybe some Tier 0 sprinkled in. This is a good sign and means it's mainly preferences and such. So, cheers for a great tier list Jello.
@ThyUseless 6 ай бұрын
I felt so called out when he said i hope you actually watched the video and didn’t just skip to the end i went back and restarted the vid🤣
@gavinfett7046 6 ай бұрын
Happy new year
@offline._archive 3 ай бұрын
good vid as always! i wonder if you've posted something like this but it'd be nice to have a tierlist for what constellation each 4 star need to pop off
@s-zs7nn 6 ай бұрын
Imo Mona worse than qiqi is simply incorrect. If ur argument is that mona got replaced by furina then qiqi already got replaced by diona layla and charlotte. She generates no energy and provides nothing but healing. Mona is also better in ganyu teams over kokomi cause kazuha and ganyu both have a 15 sec rotation and ud have to extend it by 5 sec to play kokomi and spend more field time on kokomi switching into her twice per rotation. Eula right next to itto and a full tier above diluc is also incorrect. She has very similar or lower dps than diluc and is less flexible. Also diluc is getting a big buff soon which u mentioned for other chars but ignored for diluc. She defo goes a tier below and not next to itto. Itto is defo higher than yoimiya if u have his full team. He does more dmg and has good aoe and much more survivability. kokomi in t1 is too high. She has no teams at all now after furina released except on field kokomi with furina which is extremely single target compared to c6 dori and noelle. The only other team is nilou bloom and maybe if u love ayaka the premium kokomi shenhe team which is less efficient in terms of pull value than furina charlotte but a consideration for ayaka mains. She has been replaced in taser hyperbloom burgeon and kokomi national teams by furina. c6 dori is not a tier below noelle and 2 tiers below kokomi. he dmg is straight up higher than both in furina teams as carries. Noelle and dori have good aoe noelle with her huge sword and dori with kazuha. Kokomi is st only. ayato can go a tier below. He is really weak. He is flexible but neuv is simply better in every single one of ayatos teams except nilou bloom and thats it. There is no other situation where he isnt significantly worse than neuv. He isnt above a full itto team. Now the biggest offender of this entire tier list is raiden. How is she better than everyone below her at c0 r0? her dmg at c2 is lower than neuvs c0 dmg. U cant put her this high up just cause shes ur fave char and has IR. Yae miko fishl cyno xiangling hutao lyney wanderer xiao childe ayaka wrio nilou all do a lot more dmg than raiden. The bias in this one is wayyyyyyyy off the charts lol. U put her in T0 before she even had her new double hydro jean team at c0 r0????? Anyhow one of the better tier lists thx for the vid have a good new year.
@reactiondavant-garde3391 6 ай бұрын
Kokomi doesn't lost any team after Furina realese: She have still her own freez variant if you have Shenhe, she still good in Nilou and she good in mono-hydro or double hydro-tazer with Furina. Truth to say she became more more vauble after Furina realise not less. Though maybe I agree thet she doesn't deserve the T1 tire, because she doesn't do enough for it. And I think Raiden is too high, but he said thet if he only considering her as a hypercarry he would put Raiden much lower and only because of hyperbloom why he put her so high in the first place, the same way as Kuki is put in there.
@user-iq1hj2ds4q 6 ай бұрын
Someone is gonna get very angry for putting Xingqiu this low.
@sweatymobilegamer784 6 ай бұрын
Strawmanning much?
@Nanii_nani 6 ай бұрын
Zajef?? Mans said he is better than yelan IN TERMS OF EXPLORATION
@reactiondavant-garde3391 6 ай бұрын
@@Nanii_nani He said thet Xinqiu is better in every situation then Yelan, stop coping. (He was talking about Cyno teams I think) - So Zajeff have some... takes.
@user-iq1hj2ds4q 6 ай бұрын
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 straight up Seka level takes
@Nanii_nani 6 ай бұрын
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 he also said xingqiu has a better defensive utility than zhongli lmao
@ABeardedSage 6 ай бұрын
I thought Sayu did work as an off field healer? Doesn't her burst continuously heal you in almost the exact same manner as Jean's? It's not as good as Jean's, but it still heals whoever is in range with each tick... Or am I missing something here?
@JelloImpact 5 ай бұрын
She does it’s just not as much so it doesn’t keep up with Furina properly
@ABeardedSage 5 ай бұрын
@@JelloImpact Ah, I can understand that. I feel like every 4 star that they try these split scaling builds with always have low modifiers on top of having lower 4 star scaling. I wish they'd take that into consideration for future characters...
@Amethyst.i 6 ай бұрын
I am so happy that you like Yoimiya, your advice really helps since I really wanted Yoimiya but I accidentally got Cyno and was feeling like “Well Cyno is an infield character so now It wouldn’t be smart to get Yoimiya” I’m really not sure if I should pull for her or not but I would like to depending on whether Cloud Retainer is so good that it makes my Xiao good enough for me to build again
@TJF588 6 ай бұрын
I've passed Yoimiya for three reruns now, but after having got most every other five-star I would want, it's time I answer my longing for genki gal to join the roster. But likewise, I want Cloud Retainer, kit unseen, purely for aesthetics and lore (akin to Yoimiya), so for you, may come down to primogem availability. At least Yoimiya's in the back half of this patch, so we know how much longer to hold out for Madam Birb.
@OrionEJ 6 ай бұрын
Mona was my first 5 star I got when I started April 2020. Sad to see her at the bottom of solid. I still use Mona to this day (recently with Navia).
@masterjedicat 6 ай бұрын
Diona is kinda nice in Ganyu melt (Layla steals Pyro aura, Zhongli obviously better, but Diona also gives energy and EM buff)
@caeyll4962 6 ай бұрын
Diona is also pretty good consolidated role for shielding and healing in a Navia+Albedo team. Allows the flex slot to be whatever Navia needs for crystallise generation, etc. - and Geo res increases her shield strength to a more comfortable level.
@TJF588 6 ай бұрын
Hearing you assess Diona, I really think it would be worth discussing characters' use in the context of co-op. I've only recently C6A6'd my Kirara, and I don't chase five-star constellations (in context of Zhongli's Lv.10 shield), so _Diona_ has been my co-op go-to if I don't have a decent read on what I should be bringing, since she shields everyone (more simply than Kirara, I've learned...) and provides her heals and buffs to anyone in her circle, removing the consideration of her shortcomings in a single-player team. Heck, I wasn't even readily cognisant of those shortcomings, because I do run Zhongli in single-player, so I've only really been seeing her working where everyone is always on-field.
@Potte 6 ай бұрын
Furina really takes things to the next level, and I'm here for it 100% because of the way she does it. Yelan and XQ and Bennet, etc. will always have their place where you don't want to use a healer, but if you're willing to build around her Furina elevates so many characters and playstyles. I just hope that we get more designs that accomplish similar things that hers does.
@CarlosAnglada 5 ай бұрын
I have a Furina team where I basically do not fight. Furinas Pokemons and Yaoyao's bunnies do it for me.
@hayate0254 6 ай бұрын
I actually agree with most of your rankings! Though I really think Fischl is too low here. Still agree with the tier, but I would personally place her closer to Alhaitham and Neuvillette, a toss-up whether she's better or worse than them. She's a strong off-field DPS with little gameplay issues and fits well with a ton of teams. Quicken is also a very versatile comp that can comfortably tackle a very wide variety of content, and she's often a core part of that comp, esp. aggravate I would also be inclined to place Kaveh slightly higher, but admittedly I don't have him and I mostly just think he's clunky but still usable based off trials because dendro. But those are trials so (shrugs)
@jarrenraves 6 ай бұрын
good stuff! Personally I think both klee and lyney are too high, but the more interesting case is Jean. I do think she deserves to shoot up in the rankings but maybe not quite to that extent. Yes she's an amazing healer to furina, but I dont think she's quite that far ahead of her competition on a strictly C0 tierlist. What holds her back in my opinion is that she's a great healer but a lackluster anemo/support so in the teams where its possible I would rather slot a different healer and bring a better anemo unit. edit: I also think C6 yunjin probably deserved a bit better, like maybe where razor is. Just because she's not the best option doesn't mean her buffs aren't still very substantial and certainly put her above the likes of Dori or Sara
@mon-jp8jt 6 ай бұрын
I do have to disagree with your Jean points here. Jean does not actually lack at all in being an Anemo support. The biggest thing about Anemo supports, is the ability to wield the viridescent venerer set, which Jean has no issue with. The only thing she lacks is grouping, but you usually run Jean in single target scenarios anyways, so that doesn’t really even matter. Jean, without a doubt, is most often the absolute best choice for Furina teams. With the vv shred and her massive team wide heal, it’s hard to find a more suitable unit. The only one I believe competes is baizhu, and that only cause of Dendro being just such a busted element. I’d also like to know why exactly you think Lyney and Klee should be lower?In any case, this isn’t an aggressive reply, I’m just sharing my thoughts. I hope you have a nice day!
@jarrenraves 6 ай бұрын
@@mon-jp8jt no worries, happy to try and explain myself! I think our differences might be due to how we're judging the characters, which I guess is always a concern with tier lists. You're right that most of my concerns with Jean's performance as an anemo unit are resolved in single target situations so that's where you'd logically run her, but with that logic, I believe venti should be much higher. After all, you'd only ever bring him in his niche, and in his niche he is 100% supreme. The scenario I'd decided to use for myself was the average floor 12 of abyss. So three rooms with some variety to the encounters to highlight their strengths without entirely hiding their weaknesses. In this case I do think Jean would lose out with less cc and aoe swirl/vv capability. She also lacks a buff unique to herself, such as kazuha's dmg buff or sucrose's EM buff untill she's C2. (my jean is C3 and while my comment might suggest otherwise; I am very happy with her!). My issue with Lyney (and to a lesser extent Klee) is that I feel like he simply doesnt offer enough compared to his weaknesses. His best team mates are all amazing characters in their own rights and yet-to my knowledge-a Lyney team is none of their strongest teams. His general squishiness vs his field time and team restrictions dont help either. None of these are deal breakers and a good player can work around most of it for sure, but I will hold them against him, especially when the tier list puts him right next to the likes of Hu tao. He's the kind of character I think is very well balanced so that people who like him can play him without any regret or reservation, but everyone else can skip him and not feel like their account is worse off for it. (To me, that means him a great character, just not 'top half of excellent great') Hope that makes sense and that you also have a nice day!
@Pieshorts73 6 ай бұрын
Bro is psychic... how did he figure out I skipped to the end?!
@ventosvending4126 6 ай бұрын
how do you buy noelle constellations in the shop
@phoenixlau 6 ай бұрын
Noelle and Beidou rotate into Paimon shop during February and August.
@wiktorrogala4975 6 ай бұрын
Have you tried Shatter Bloom with Kaveh??? I think that’s his best team. Over standard bloom. Kaveh, Nahida, Xing/Yel, Layla? It’s the team that’s been doing VERY well for me. Not TOP TIER big boy damage but I’ve cleared Abyss very well with this team. And it’s one I didn’t invest a lot into.
@ynnaD2413 6 ай бұрын
I’ll comment specifally on itto cause I hyper invested in my itto as well. His AOE potential though even without a grouper honestly is so good. He has alot of control and mobility and since he can stagger enemies you can move enemies into the AOE very easily. Tbh though I do think we itto players are a bit bias cause we do tend to go all on in him but he does feel very good to play and imo he’s a very reliable carry that uses very specific units so the other side is free to use whoever you want.
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 6 ай бұрын
his dmg is below average, his aoe is the same as wanderer NA which is average, his team is average, his flexibility is garbage, his energy requirement is bullsht, his artifact investment requires 40+cv artifacts each piece, has a sig weap that dwarfs everything else, his bis 4 star is bp locked p2w garbage, what else is there ,
@irena4929 6 ай бұрын
Your hyper invest itto means piss for an average neuvillette lmao
@sweatymobilegamer784 6 ай бұрын
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzwho hurt you lmao
@sweatymobilegamer784 6 ай бұрын
@@irena4929absolutely nobody asked
@natti8212 6 ай бұрын
if your character needs hyperspecific supports just to even be usable then it really can't be called reliable. also the fact that these hyperspecific supps are NEEDED is a massive downside since these units are painfully mid or bad outside of an itto team. you pretty much use up thousands of primos just for characters and constellations that are only wanted in ONE team.
@stribijev 6 ай бұрын
I am happy to see Alhaitham close to the top: I have been using him in the abyss for 4 months on end now, and he's very strong, with just a 3-star Harbinger of Dawn. I just need to prepare the team rotation before launching his skill/burst, as the best team I can use with him is Nahida/Xingqiu/Kuki/Alhaitham (Yelan is usually on the other side). And he is on DW, not GD, since I sometimes use him as a sole dendro character on a team.
@oatsandtoast 6 ай бұрын
I wanted your opinion on the chatacters I play and both the units I main are in T1. I recently hit 200k melts on my C1 Wrio and destroyed aybss with my Cyno, Nahida, Baizhu, Furina team. Great tier list so informative
@masterjedicat 6 ай бұрын
I think that Yaoyao is in most teams except Aggravate and maybe Spread better than Kirara for several reasons: 1. Better application (at C6 the difference is not that huge) 2. Healing better than shielding in most cases
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