Who Became Cyclonus? Was it Skywarp, Bombshell, or both?

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One of the most debated topics in all of Transformers, Who Became Cyclonus? Was is the Decepticon jet, Skywarp? Was it the cerebral Insecticon, Bombshell? Was it both?
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One of the most debated topics in all of Transformers, Who Became Cyclonus? Was is the Decepticon jet, Skywarp? Was it the cerebral Insecticon, Bombshell? Was it both?

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@RealInsaneGalvatron 5 жыл бұрын

TFCON LA had some of the creators of the movie as special guests. One of them said the intention was always for Cyclonus to be built from Skywarp. So it's official now.

@ryanhull1946 5 жыл бұрын

I disagree

@CIIncProds 5 жыл бұрын

I always believed that

@ryanhull1946 5 жыл бұрын

@@CIIncProds what...that cyclonus was made from skywarps body

@CIIncProds 5 жыл бұрын

Yes

@ryanhull1946 5 жыл бұрын

@@CIIncProds well he wasn't...he was made from bombshells body...cause bombshells body was in front of skywarp before begin changed...same with thundercracker...his dead body was in the middle

@39Hundred 2 жыл бұрын

Skywarp and Thundercracker were of higher rank than the lowly Insecticons. Megatron looked at the Insecticons as annoying pests. So it makes sense that the Insecticons became The Sweeps. Skywarp became Cyclonus. Thundercracker became Scourge while the Insecticons become The Sweeps. If it were up to me, Reflector should have become Cyclonus’ Armada.

@duyphan4617 Жыл бұрын

Agree. Reflector trio are loyal as well.

@skeaneable Жыл бұрын

make a lot of sense to me

@detmstr341 9 ай бұрын

I thought Insecticon Bombshell became Cyclonus.

@crooklyn673 5 ай бұрын

I agree with this theory on Thundercracker, and Skywarp becoming Scorge, and Cyclonus. I'm a HUGE G1 fan, and I still love that series more than the new Movies today. Actually I only seen the 1st. I just could not follow 🤷🏾‍♂️

@thekaibacorpexpress4043 3 ай бұрын

I agree. That'd make more sense for Skywarp instead of Bombshell to becoming Cyclonus.

@harryanunciacion3682 5 жыл бұрын

Actually, at TFCON 2019, I asked the animator who was Cyclonus and he confirmed that it was Skywarp. So that means your theory was right.

@SuperMarioPlush220 4 жыл бұрын

I knew it.

@noamto 4 жыл бұрын

So what was his explanation for the second Cyclonus, and for Skywarp being in the background and Bombshell in the main position of the frame?

@nino_lama 4 жыл бұрын

The animators made so many mistakes that I would NOT take their word for it...

@thegreenestofmachines 4 жыл бұрын

He didn’t think up the story, did he? Skyward is too dumb to be cyclonus

@nickzilla20 4 жыл бұрын

Than why was Bombshell in the front and acted as if he was Cyclonus?

@tritonk1759 5 жыл бұрын

Also the ridiculously inconsistent number of Sweeps in Season 3 fits with the Insecticons' cloning abilities. They can actively 'reproduce' when it's required of them.

@DetectiveConanFanGerman 6 жыл бұрын

It would really make more sence if Cyclonus was once Skywarp. Then, the Season 3 Ghost Starscream Episodes would make sence. Starscream possesed both Cyclonus and Scourge, who once were Skywarp and Thundercracker, his seeker comrades and same bodytype. This would be a nice easter egg.

@DarthVader1977 5 жыл бұрын

sense*

@BLKBRDSR71 5 жыл бұрын

It also makes sense since Starscream was their former commander. Why posses someone you don't know. Starscream wouldn't know Bombshell too well, so Skywarp seems more likely.

@DarthVader1977 5 жыл бұрын

@@BLKBRDSR71 possess*

@toyoscio 5 жыл бұрын

@@BLKBRDSR71 Why no memory of former self? Starscream possessed Astrotrain, A Sweep and Trypticon (He wouldn't know him that well)

@yvonnepitzarella7010 4 жыл бұрын

very Logical and makes sense so yeah

@perfectlybalanced8995 3 жыл бұрын

I personally believe it’s Skywarp because while yes he isn’t as intelligent as bombshell and Cyclonus, remember Unicorn upgraded their bodies meaning he could have gotten smarter.

@donaldshono5762 2 жыл бұрын

That also means Unicron could have altered Bombshell's loyalty to Galvatron but that doesn't matter since Cyclonus was confirmed to having been Skywarp.

@thejoker15678 2 жыл бұрын

Bro, Bombshell has guts and brains, He’s an insecticon!

@Shockwave-vo5ty 6 жыл бұрын

For me skywarp is cyclonus because it is more appropriate for bombshell and the other insecticons to be the sweeps and Thundercracker and skywarp are always close like scourge and cyclonus but thats my opinion

@jps6071 5 жыл бұрын

A better reason, the Insecticons possessed the ability to multiple by creating clones. The Sweeps had the same ability. That´s the reason their number is increasing during the Movie and season 3. But neither Cyclonus or Scourge seemed to possess that ability.

@Goeisha1 5 жыл бұрын

With that logic then Scourge is Kickback. But Thundercracker is in the front right? Where is Bombshell? Also when Unicron said Cyclonus The Warrior the Cyclonus that was Bombshell Transformed and the Cyclonus that was Skywarp Transformed after he said and his Armada. More proof that your theory is wrong. Unicron rebuilt and reformated them. So explain to me what is reformatting? I'll tell you give a new format to; revise or represent in another format. Case closed Cyclonus was Bombshell

@rosiegratz8377 5 жыл бұрын

Yes I believe Cyclonus is Skywarp with the intelligence of Bombshell,seems the most "Logical" to me.

@user-no7rr9bn6y 5 жыл бұрын

Actually skywarp has been confirmed to be scourge

@raydiaz7560 5 жыл бұрын

If Shockwave said it, then well it is true.

@CatsArtist 5 жыл бұрын

Decades before your work, I always understood that Thundercracker became Scourge and Skywarp became Cyclonous. And yes, the Sweeps were made from Insecticon clones, as we can see Bombshell, Kickback, and Shrapnel persist. Well done.

@RodimusPrimal 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@Vine-104 3 жыл бұрын

@Mephiston 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that the sweeps seemingly reproduce would also back the theory that they're remade from the insecticons and share that trait.

@TMan978 6 жыл бұрын

Personally, As a kid, I figured the Decepticons were dead and Unicron made their bodies into new loyal capable warriors. They are so far removed from their original counterparts that they were never the original guys to me.

@michealcormier2555 6 жыл бұрын

That was my thinking as well. Sort of like Good looking Unicron Zombies of the classical sense.

@RodimusPrimal 6 жыл бұрын

They certainly are far removed. Their programming is very different. In Beast Machines, Tankor, Thrust, and Jetstorm behave completely different than Rhinox, Waspinator, and Silverbolt respectively, though they do remember what they did once the real them came out.

@EclipseWarlord 6 жыл бұрын

RodimusPrimal I always did like Waspinator. Still wondering how he ended up on Cybertron since he was left behind on Earth as the only functional Cybertronian.

@TMan978 6 жыл бұрын

RodimusPrimal the reprogramming theory is good as well but Beast Wars/ Beast Machines had better continuity than G1. G1 never explained anything and that's why we're having videos like this.

@Arthus850 6 жыл бұрын

EclipseWarlord My best guess is he left Earth and flew through space on his own flight power alone. With his quote "took forever, but was worth it" I think it took millions of years for him to get to Cybertron, meaning that when he got there, Cybertron was well into the time period he came from

@logantressler7829 5 жыл бұрын

I like to think that Skywarp and Thundercracker became Cyclonus and Scourge. Then Unicron turned the insecticons into the sweeps because they were left over.

@warmpond 4 жыл бұрын

The idea that cyclonus is a Frankenstein hybrid of bombshell and skywarp is vastly more interesting

@joeyderrico8134 6 жыл бұрын

I always decided it was Skywarp only because it made sense to make both jets into the leaders of the Sweeps and Armada. Not the most logical or well reasoned argument but I like it

@davec3651 4 жыл бұрын

Perfectly sensible. Insecticons were each one of many of a swarm. Skywarp and Thundercracker were somewhat unique like Starscream, and presumably comparably powerful and competent. It was always strange to me that Starscream was treated on a higher level from his two "brothers". The Unicron transformations gave the other two their due significance as Cyclonus and Scourge. It makes no sense for a lowly insecticon to be one of those two.

@grrrmlin 6 жыл бұрын

I like to think the purple jet turns into the purple spaceship and the one with shell in his name turns into the shellformer

@loviehawkins4861 3 жыл бұрын

Bombshell became a sweep and skywarp became Cyclones

@libzbond 2 жыл бұрын

To reinforce that Cyclonus is Skywarp is that he has some sort of relation to Scourge, like how Skywarp was a close friend to Thundercracker.

@cerebros3671 6 жыл бұрын

My vote is for Skywarp. Though I think a Frankenstein of both of them, with the mind of a new deception kind of makes sense.

@johnosbourn4312 6 жыл бұрын

I believe that Cyclonus is infact Skywarp, not Bombshell.

@truck6859 4 жыл бұрын

RE: Skywarp: Remember in the G1 cartoon episode when Megatron dug that crystal out of the South American pyramid, and then summoned Skywarp to fight, and Starscream said, "How dare you demote me to guard-duty, Megatron!" And Skywarp said (?) "Have fun playing crystal, NERDscreamer. Bye-eeee." And he transformed and flew off. That moment when he said 'bye', was so great. His voice sounded so metallic, and yet was so inflected with so much smart-assness. He sounded like a robot to have that much computer effect IN his voice, but achieved that level of smart-assness in the same voice. Because of the degree of smart-assness, his voice seemed like it was coming from a real living being, not a synthesizer in a studio. It was captured so well. That moment is one of my favorite moments in visual entertainment from all time. And I'm over 45 years old.

@dankmemes4744 6 жыл бұрын

I always thought he was skywarp because they both transform into jets

@OptirodimusreviewTeam_Prime_1 3 жыл бұрын

I still believe that Skywarp was transformed into Cyclonus.

@Fredbaer1983 Жыл бұрын

Me too

@coleacker9640 Жыл бұрын

I agree

@doomrage2012 Жыл бұрын

Of course, obviously skywarp is cyclonus, while bombshell is "and his armada"

@NerdLifts 2 жыл бұрын

It makes sense that the Insecticons all became sweeps. They retained their ability to clone themselves. Also transformers being "dead", doesn't mean all that much. It was shown multiple times that dead transformers could be reactivated, and would retain their previous personalities. The movie clearly did not show parts of dead decepticons being recombined. Individual damaged decepticons became individual new/improved ones.

@endersage3514 6 жыл бұрын

I used to think it was both of them, but now I think it's Skywarp since some of his personality is with Cyclonus

@toyoscio 6 жыл бұрын

LOL

@CosmicG777 5 жыл бұрын

I agree, although I do think that a little bit of Bombshell made it into Cyclonus. That would explain his heightened intelligence and his ability to clone himself.

@playmakersradio7838 5 жыл бұрын

He said he was skywarp in a future episode when he in a decitcon crypt And runs into a statue of himself

@CosmicG777 5 жыл бұрын

@@playmakersradio7838 Really? If that's true then that's that for this.

@MrAprilfoolsday 5 жыл бұрын

@@playmakersradio7838 He never said that. I'm watching that episode (Starscream ghost) which is the episode that shows Skywarp crypt.

@raincloud5449 Жыл бұрын

One thing I don’t think anybody has mentioned was the fact that there was almost a Megatron/Skywarp triple changer at one point in G1. This shows that the people at Hasbro/Takara had more interest in him than people give him credit for.

@mccarrimusprime1670 4 жыл бұрын

Soundwave: Skywarp Superior, Bombshell Inferior

@disguisedclone6722 2 жыл бұрын

I love how scourge threw the bot into the glass and cyclonus just goes "well everyone has to be somewhere" and when scourge starts shooting the others cyclonus just chills out and casually walks up to the input interface

@RodimusPrimal 2 жыл бұрын

They were badass Decepticons for sure.

@zythr9999 2 жыл бұрын

Yet Galvatron still beat on both of them.

@elmagsanoc 4 жыл бұрын

For me, the more acceptable theory is "Cyclonus was remodeled from Skywarp". Tranformers: the movie was an 80's cartoon and there was so many flaws in creating drawings then. The technology was very limited that time. Images are done manually by animators. Errors are likely to happened.

@niamhmorrissey2187 5 жыл бұрын

I kind of like the idea that Skywarp is Cyclonus. With Thundercracker being Scourge it's pretty fitting for 2 of the 3 main seekers to become remade after Starscream (1 of the 3) fucks them over.

@randalllee2948 Жыл бұрын

It always made more sense to me Cyclonus is Skywarp. I just felt that when you didn't see the Armada Cyclonus after that one scene and then Scourge and now 3 sweeps instead of 2 that maybe the animators thought Bombshell should be a Sweep too and just have them all be made from cloned Insecticons. You do see the all 3 Insecticons later in season 3 and the Sweeps seem to always grow in numbers. But, it's whatever you want it to be.

@notsoalex 6 жыл бұрын

Great video! This was always one of my favorites! As for what I think, I say Cyclonus was Skywarp as the Insecticons can clone themselves, hence them being all the Sweeps and "the armada." Btw, in the Animated timeline it is implied that Cyclonus is a version of Skywarp from the future, as Scalpel takes note that Cyclonus shares specs with Skywarp.

@marcharkness6101 2 жыл бұрын

Even without official word, there is one more piece of suggestive evidence in favor of SkyWarp: Starscream's 'ghost', his spark hasbeen known to briefly inhabit others. He never tries to inhabit Galvatron, but he DOES pick BOTH Cyclonus and Scourge. Why? It may be that because under their reformatting, they still retain much of the base formatting of Seekers? This might make it EASIER for the 'deceased' Seeker Starscream to inhabit them. Just a thought.

@RodimusPrimal 2 жыл бұрын

Very good and observant point!

@jmatseas Жыл бұрын

A very interesting thought at that

@gabbpolicarpio1236 3 ай бұрын

U do know that Trypticon and Astrotrain were also possessed by the ghost (aka mutant spark) of Starscream, right?

@marcharkness6101 3 ай бұрын

@@gabbpolicarpio1236 Absolutely but there seemed to be more of a choice and a greater amount of comfort in Scourge and Cyclonus. At least that's how I see it. Trepticon (And later Waspinator) were both definite necessity

@olvacron22 6 жыл бұрын

I have always thought cyclonus was a combination of the two skywarp and bombshell. The two merged to become the ultimate second in command loyal and smart

@olvacron22 5 жыл бұрын

@Transcendent Cthulhu I all was thought the sweeps were insecticon clones and scourge was thundercraker

@greenbean325 3 жыл бұрын

I just thought they all were digitized and their blueprint was used to from the upgraded froms only galvatron being the one that got upgraded

@weiyuanhsuan 2 жыл бұрын

I like this theory since Cyclonus had the characteristics of intelligence, and leadership from bombshell. Loyalty from Skywarp. Script from the movie said, Cyclonus was a new decepticon which was build with the parts from the two

@nanachimakenshi2512 6 жыл бұрын

I've always felt that it was Skywarp. It fit the most. He was the most loyal and his loyalty carried over.

@crossyfirezx9659 6 жыл бұрын

Team skywarp

@georgehatworth3263 5 жыл бұрын

This is not that kind of thing. Stop drawing battle lines over pure miscellany.

@Lio_Convoy 6 жыл бұрын

Man, you’ve taken a QUATUM LEAP in your editing! Freaking RAD my dude!

@Audioholics 6 жыл бұрын

Skywarp with Bombshell mixed in.

@lordfrostnchilled9601 5 жыл бұрын

Personally, I think he's just a new character.

@PORCELAINGRL 5 жыл бұрын

Thats what i said 3 months later

@nicholasdickens2801 5 жыл бұрын

I’d like to think that too. Skwarp with some of Bombshell’s body parts.

@CosmicG777 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Maybe he recieved Bombshell's intelligence that way.

@thepaganapostate3208 5 жыл бұрын

@@lordfrostnchilled9601 I would rather he be a new character, because I like Skywarp too much to want him dead to have made a new bot, but I think that Cyclonus probably, canonically would be a mix of both Warp and Bombshell.

@jrfury2659 5 жыл бұрын

The whole scene seemed jacked up to me when I first saw it back on VHS. There are 2 Cyclonus characters, people always tried to rationalize it, but for me it was clear it was an animation mistake. So there is no established logic one can take from the character's origin.

@INCHRIST3 5 жыл бұрын

yeah, people were saying the 2nd Cyclonus was a dyecast clone, because the toys were including tiny rubber figurines called clones

@JLvatron 5 жыл бұрын

Let's go back to their reformatting. When Unicron announces "Cyclonus, the warrior", we see both the former Bombshell (in front) and the former Skywarp (behind). But when he says, "and his Armada", we mostly see the former Bombshell, Only. This makes it clear that Bombshell became Armada, therefore Skywarp became Cyclonus.

@greenbean325 3 жыл бұрын

Unicron trilogy cyclonus becomes g1 cyclonus

@greenbean325 3 жыл бұрын

100% team unicron trilogy cyclonus being g1 cyclonus

@ericjustasinner5695 2 жыл бұрын

I see it being bombshell too

@PurpleRhymesWithOrange 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent analysis. I would definitely favor the argument that Cyclonus was Skywarp mostly because we did see all the Insecticons later on.

@angell.rodriguezperez7427 6 жыл бұрын

I Am more towards that Cyclonus is a new Character. I also believe that He inherited the traits of Both Bombshell, and Skywarp. Combining The intelligence of Bombshell, with Skywarp's Loyalty and Jet form could be interestind. Plus I prefer a combination of character's traits into a new character

@Jryder933 5 жыл бұрын

To me, Skywarp becaome Cyclonus, and bombshell instead of the Armada, was meant to be the third sweep as seen in the movie, and the rest of season three.

@stitchproductions3258 5 жыл бұрын

in my head Skywarp always made sense as Cyclonus. I also always thought that thundercracker became scourge, while the insectecticons became the sweeps.

@johnhenryeden1647 5 жыл бұрын

Sourge and cyclonous, have similar amounts of loyalty to Galvatron, which I conclude that bombshell is infact as a sweep, as two insecticons are required to allow cloning. However aspects of both are parts of the sweeps, as they all loyal are loyal to Galvatron. Which the insecticons lack

@0wenlee112 5 жыл бұрын

I always saw cyclonus as skywarp

@dcombs2691 2 жыл бұрын

I like the info that he gives and I agree with him that Cyclonus was once Skywarp (my favorite of the seekers)

@KJGrim 5 жыл бұрын

The hell with Bombshell! He is Skywarp!

@jase7474 6 жыл бұрын

I have always thought the simplest answer was Thudercracker and Bombshell became the two main characters since they were in the forefront. This is the first time I heard a version where they could be a mish mesh of dead Decepticons. Seems like they made Scourge unique enough to not have an argument of who he was. The mish mesh theory could explain it better as far as Cyclonus is concerned since it seems like that would best explain his loyalty like Skywarp and smarts like Bombshell. Maybe he is a 50/50 combination of them.

@PCGamer77 5 жыл бұрын

My pet theory (formed circa 1986-87): Megatron's body & life spark --> Galvatron Skywarp's body --> Cyclonus Bombshell clone body --> Cyclonus' "Armada" (destroyed in battle later on during Transformers: The Movie) Thundercracker --> Scourge Shrapnel clone body --> Sweep #1 Kickback clone body --> Sweep #2 Other insecticon clones and/or Unicron's scrap metal collection --> any and all other Sweeps Shockwave --> destroyed while heroically defending Cybertron from Unicron

@belindahocking8399 Жыл бұрын

I believed the scene with bombshell and skywarp both becoming cyclonus was to show that cyclonus was the best of both worlds from bombshell he got extreme intelligence And from skywarp he got loyalty and great flying skills and that most of the remains from skywarp and some from bombshell which created cyclonus and the leftovers from both skywarp and bombshell were used to create the third sweep so skywarp and bombshell are both cyclonus and a sweep

@GalaxyNebula10 5 жыл бұрын

I know I'm late to this, but I'm on the Skywarp side. You bring up some good points that lean towards Skywarp, with Bombshell clone parts mixed in, and we do see aspects of Skywarp in Cyclonus's personality in the G1 cartoon in Season 3, so for me, I'm on Skywarp side

@captainfantastic9158 6 жыл бұрын

I've always had a love/hate relationship with the movie. Most of the hate coming from the lack of respect the writers had for our beloved Cybertronians. (I'll go into their heartlessly killing Prowl another time.) As you, Rod Prime, have oft stated, their primary goal was to SELL TOYS. Meaning pesky things like continuity didn't matter. If they'd taken five minutes to think about things, they'd have realized how much sense it makes for the loyal Skywarp to be reformatted as Cyclonus, and more, purposely animated him BECOMING that bot! Also makes sense the replicating Insecticons becoming the multiplying Sweeps. Case closed. And, hey, if they wanted to sell toys so badly, why didn't they market GENERIC Sweeps so kids could make sure Scourge had his "armada" when playing with their TFs? A (hungry) planetful of lost and missed opportunities. 🤔

@miiirky1904 3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same about the movie. If they wanted to sell lore toys, just use them as new characters in new episodes, just introduce them, not kill everyone we know. ;_; Maybe Megatron wanted to update his armor to be stronger and to be called Galvatron.

@warlordsquerk5338 2 жыл бұрын

@@miiirky1904 I second that. While there was much great about the movie, killing Prime and the other Autobots was just so dumb. He should have survived, heavily damaged maybe, but alive.

@tfan2222 2 жыл бұрын

@@warlordsquerk5338 They we’re killed because they’re toys were discontinued.

@warlordsquerk5338 2 жыл бұрын

@@tfan2222 I know. They not only died which was stupid, the reason they died was even more so. What terrible writing

@youwayo 12 күн бұрын

The Killing of Optimus Prime is a cautionary tale: Take care of your beloved fictional characters. While there are benefits in killing Prime in terms of story telling, the reality is that Hasbro got rid of him just to make way to sell new toys (I feel like Dinobot’s death in Beast Wars was handled a bit better imo). Imagine if Lucasfilm made a Star Wars sequel Trilogy and carelessly got rid of the old cast just to make way for new characters we barely know or care about. Oh wait…

@diegos7337 6 жыл бұрын

As I told you on your original video my friend, I am on your side, Cyclonus was Skywarp and the sweeps were insecticons. It would make sense Skywarp and Thndercracker, Megatron´s original air attack team became the leaders for Galvatron´s new squad.

@toyoscio 6 жыл бұрын

How so?

@trajan231 5 жыл бұрын

Thundercracker commands the Sweeps as Scourge

@Jryder933 5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you! Megatron became Galvatron, Thundercracker became Scourge, and the three Insecticons, including Bombshell became Sweeps.

@youareawench1289 5 жыл бұрын

Makes sense that Skywarp is indeed more of a Cyclonus.

@sirbubbles5506 4 жыл бұрын

In the cartoon I remember seeing an army of Cyclonus behind him. That in concert with the fact Cyclonus is far more intelligent than Skywarp leads me to believe he is Skywarp with the capability, cloning and intelligence of bombshell.

@goro2793 4 жыл бұрын

I must have static in my rectifiers now that’s the smartest thing you’ve said all day! Wait really? Hey what’s going on??!!!

@Superior_Productions 6 жыл бұрын

The fact that he has clones tells me he's bombshell, but his personality and character traits scream Skywarp to me

@areeareradaemair3119 5 жыл бұрын

He doesn't have clones. Only the sweeps have clones.

@classicmail8239 6 жыл бұрын

The giant planet eating planet transformer, that's a mouth full, almost a planets worth lol.

@RodimusPrimal 6 жыл бұрын

It's a dang good way of describing Unicron

@classicmail8239 6 жыл бұрын

RodimusPrimal It sure is haha

@cyclownus3658 6 жыл бұрын

Skywarp since the Sweeps’ cloning abilities most likely came from the Insecticons while Thundercracker became Scourge.

@SHADOWHEAT2008 5 жыл бұрын

My question is....Why are there 3 Scourge sweeps on season 3? If I remember, Unicron made only 2 sweeps for Scourge and 1 Armada for Cyclonus. Then, on the season 3, the Cyclonus Armada desappears and Another Scourge Sweep appears, (O-o),with this theory on my head I have this.... 3 Sweeps= The 3 Insecticons..... Cyclonus=Skywarp Scourge= Thundercracker...... In short.....I'M TEAM SKYWARP.

@rogue9ine 6 жыл бұрын

If I could go back in time and re write that part of the movie this is how I would do it. 1.) The Decepticons that get thrown out of Astrotrain would have been Megatron, Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the three reflector guys. Not the insecticons. 2.) Skywarp would have been turned into Cyclonus, Reflector would have been three Sweeps and Thundercracker would have been Scourge, although Not a sweep lookalike. I would have had Scourge look like a jet not a hovercraft. I never understood why Hasbro, trying to sell toys, made 4 guys all look the same and only market one of them. Seems like a wasted opportunity for another toy.

@alanguages 5 жыл бұрын

rogue9ine My retcon or alternate timeline for Transformers The Movie are as follows: 1) Same as you except not Reflector, but the Insecticons with 4 members, instead of 3. The fourth member was part of the group, but stayed on Cybertron, so no Insect mode, but a flying craft mode. 2) Megatron turns to Galvatron, Skywarp to Cyclonus, Thundercracker to Scourge, and now the Insecticons would turn into the Deluxe Insecticons in this order, Shrapnel to Chopshop, Kickback to Ransack, Bombshell to Barrage and the 4th member to Venom. The Sweeps I probably would not have created and the Deluxe Insecticons would be able to use cloning, like the originals. Hasbro came up with the stupid idea in regards to Transformers the Movie, that if anyone wanted the Sweeps then people should buy more Scourge toys. They presumably intended that Cyclonus's Armada was going to be just a bunch of Cyclonus look alikes and for people to just buy more Cyclonus toys. One that is not often looked at was also, the Sharkticons, which all of them were the same and to buy many of them, if people wanted to emulate the idea of an army of Sharkticons in the Movie. That was extremely lazy of Hasbro to implement that idea also. Luckily they did not do that with the Junkions also.

@RocketHarry865 5 жыл бұрын

also I would have had the scene where the wounded decepitcons were being jettisoned from Austrotrain, while he was ok with sacrificing Thundercracker, Skywarp and the reflectors, when Starscream was about throw Megatron out, Soundwave tried to stop Stascream but the other decepticons in the shuttle halted him by aiming their weapons at him threating to add him to the scrapmetal pile.

@FVD 5 жыл бұрын

I'd also make sure that Snarl is included with the Dinobots as well. We did see a glimpse of him but throughout the entire film, he was nowhere to be seen. Criminal!

@Jryder933 5 жыл бұрын

I would have kept it the same as Hasbro in the movie. 1) Thundercracker becomes Scourge. 2) Skywarp becomes Cyclonus. 3) Insecticons become Sweeps. 4) Megatron become Galvatron.

@greenbean325 3 жыл бұрын

Space boat go brrr

@billislois 6 жыл бұрын

skywarp was a plane like cyclonus and the trusted one.

@DrClaw77 6 жыл бұрын

Team Skywarp. One other sign that the Insecticons survived was in the episode "Fight Or Flee". There is an animation error in which either Soundwave or Long Haul is shown speaking, but it is clearly Shrapnel's voice.

@darthdavlo9516 5 жыл бұрын

I personally like how IDW made Cyclonus, Scourge and Galvatron be separated diferente characters from the ones they were supposed to be, this helps to add more originality to the characters rather than just being evolved decepticons

@crustypaladin 6 жыл бұрын

Definitely Skywarp. Great video!

@iamtheomnimonkey 5 жыл бұрын

Why

@CowsAreIrrelevant 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I think it would be Skywarp purely because he is a more prominent character, have the two seekers become the ones in charge of the sweeps while the insecticons become the sweeps. Either that or the third option hoestly.

@texasbeast239 3 жыл бұрын

The continued sales of all 3 standard Insecticons and all 4 Deluxe Insecticons in the G1 Wave 3 toys could mean that they were not intended to be the basis of the Armada or the Sweeps. Insecticon clones make more sense. However, the absence of the toys for Skywarp and Thundercracker points toward both of them having been reformatted.

@jerolddaleske3966 2 жыл бұрын

It's like Unicron put together Skywarps loyalty to Megatron and the intelligence of bombshell.

@Sbungo61 2 жыл бұрын

Even if we look at their personalities Skywarp always made more sense, in fact we can say that while Scourge and Cyclonus were still vastly different some aspects of Thundercracker's and Skywarp's personalities carried on. According to Thunfercracker's bio he is an arrogant guy same for Scourge while Skywarp is said to be blindly loyal to Megatron, like Cyclonus is with Galvatron. Bombshell just doesn't make sense to be Cyclonus, really don't get how can someone think like it works

@pipethegadoll1376 3 жыл бұрын

I know this video was 2 years ago but I still want to put my belief out there and I go with skywarp. How would an insecticon(not saying he can't) adapt to a whole new form like a jet or some aerial modification. Skywarp is the only one who is more prone to knowing exactly how it feels to be in this type of alt mode and I'm sure he'd adapt way faster if not almost immediately to his new space jet mode.

@TheLazyEyebrow 3 жыл бұрын

12:49 to add to that point, cyclonus is even seen running over some of the insecticons when landing during the coronation scene (a teal thundercracker is also there, but with the seekers having 5 billion repaints in the show, that could've been anyone)

@RodimusPrimal 3 жыл бұрын

To me, he's Skywarp given an upgrade. The bugs became Sweeps and any leftovers became semi-sentient.

@TheRobotAssassin 2 жыл бұрын

I always figured thundercracker became scourge, skywarp became cyclonus, and the insecticons became the duplicates because they can duplicate.

@HouseholdWheel 6 жыл бұрын

I like to think he's Skywarp (mostly, he's not 100% Skywarp) because, the insecticon cloning powers makes sence for the Sweeps. I don't think it would be accurate to say Cyclonus is Bombshell at all, since the Insecticons survive the movie due to there swarm of clones. So the sweeps/Cyclonus aren't rebuilt versions of Shrapnel, Kickback, and Bombshell, but rather they're rebuilt versions of Zaptrap, Shothole, and Salvo, the Insecticons respective clones. That isn't to say that Cyclonus isn't, in part, made from insecticon parts. I suspect Scourge has a similar mix of Seeker and Insecticon.

@sf76collection29 5 жыл бұрын

Animation errors explain that, not that Cyclonus can clone himself.

@mauigio 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant with the insecticon cloning!!! Makes sense as Armada is a literal clone of Cyclonus...35 years later, never thought of that! THAT'S AWESOME FRIENDO 🙂🙂🤩

@nickcadwell1094 6 жыл бұрын

I say he was made from Skywarp.

@iamtheomnimonkey 5 жыл бұрын

Why

@johnedsel 5 жыл бұрын

Unicron used their dead bodies like clay and just resculpted them into new warriors. None of their original personalities remained in Cyclonus or Scourge. Galvatron retained some of Megatron's memories because he was the only Decepticon to barely function at the time.

@MDestron2282 6 жыл бұрын

Even as a kid I figured that Unicron just kinda recycled the parts to make new minions and that even Galvatron didn't completely remember all of his Megatron memories.

@snedbag1727 5 жыл бұрын

I personally believe he is Skywarp as he is a more loyal character than Bombshell and also because of the fact that Skywarp has always been one of my favourite seekers in the G1 show

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@RodimusPrimal 6 жыл бұрын

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@josephtarvin8555 6 жыл бұрын

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@monkeyman8445 6 жыл бұрын

The cylonus rebirth was so confusing snarl was in the movie

@dewuster8885 3 жыл бұрын

In my book, I think that the body of Skywarp became Cyclonus. They both transform into purple aircraft & are both extremely loyal. Meanwhile, the body of Bombshell becomes a sweep like the other Insecticons as it would make sense that Bombshell joins his fellow insecticons as sweeps as both the insecticons/sweeps are able to replicate.

@JinzoCrash 5 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a person do a tiny edit where you see both Cyclonus forming, but then Bombshell's comes apart before completion, parts bonding to Skywarp. All in all, I'd have liked to see more "robot guts" all floating around and being drawn together with all of them.

@Thunderwing88 6 жыл бұрын

Skywarp side al the way for everything you said. Though I can see the Bombshell side.

@slicerneons3300 6 жыл бұрын

I vote completely reformatted new characters. If pressed to make a choice between the two, I'd pick Skywarp. Intent of the story was the Armada existing, but was dropped due to budget and/or animation errors. Bombshell, original or clone, possessed the cloning ability to replicate more Armada. A lost opportunity since their always was a fierce rivalry between Cyclonus and Scourge, with both meant to be on equal terms and commanding respective armies of generics. Without the Armada, Cyclonus is at a great disadvantage in their grudge match. Obviously I'm pro Armada, which helps justify all the Cyclonus toys I buy.

@jac0736 3 жыл бұрын

I like him being Skywarp. It's not who we see, but considering everyone kind of becomes a drones, I like to believe that all their sparks were kind of combined with Skywarp's mind being the leader of that almalgamation, with the sweeps being just that, sweeps and drones.

@shawnkarg3794 2 жыл бұрын

In terms of visual storytelling, it's Bombshell. Given that the Insecticons can make clones, and they appeared in the cartoon after the movie, Skywarp became Cyclonus.

@Daedalus-BC308 6 жыл бұрын

I like the theory, that Bombshell and Skywarp were melted thogether to make Cyclonus. (I know, that this video is an re-upload, but I didn't see it, so I'm leaving my comment anyway.)

@trajan231 5 жыл бұрын

Actually the scene had Bombshell and Skywarp change into 2 Cyclonuses. Then that was reduced to one.

@terischannel 5 жыл бұрын

I think it would make since for the insecticons to become sweeps since both the insecticons and sweeps can duplicate

@metalmatt3431 3 жыл бұрын

I REALLY enjoyed this video and revelled in its conclusion; I thought it was gonna be a video on points we've already discussed ad nauseum and left for us to make the final decision as it always has been but you've FINALLY settled my decision for me: Cyclonus was built from the wreckage of both Skywarp AND Bombshell

@RodimusPrimal 3 жыл бұрын

And leftover parts made a third Sweep!

@julesvismale8387 5 жыл бұрын

I myself think that Cyclonus, Scoorge and the Sweeps were created from the original Insecticon toys, Thundercracker and Skywarp's unnamed look-alikes! Because the latter came in the 1986 Transformers Movie also settled in after the former under Galvatron again wanted to conquer power. The original Insecticon toys were indeed much more than some specimens such as Bombshell, Kickback and Shrapnel!

@superroboted 6 жыл бұрын

No matter what I use the theory that the seekers became Scourge and Cyclonus...and Im sticking to it lol

@weinerman2477 5 жыл бұрын

He has scraps of both but I think it's skyward because he's stronger and has the attitude of skywarp

@wangeroogerque2931 3 жыл бұрын

I like the idea they're both combined, but because of Skywarps loyalty, his mind was used with a little intelligent upgrade from Bombshell. So Cyclonus is the best of both, to be the ideal secont in command.

@nightshadeii9248 4 жыл бұрын

I always imagined that Skywarp and Bombshell were forcibly merged to become one Cyclonus, since after their reformatting scene only one Cyclonus is seen thereafter.

@chriss1757 5 жыл бұрын

It makes the most sense to say that Skywarp, Thundercracker, and 3 insecticon clones were reformatted. With Skywarp and Thundercracker as Cyclonus and Scourge and the insecticon clones becoming Sweeps. This explains the presence of the insecticons later in the series and why the sweeps are able to clone themselves to make an army. However, I chalk it up mostly to the laziness the Transformers series got into during and after the movie. The insecticon clone idea, like Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, gave a cut and paste, easy to animate army of nobodies to blow up instead of having to deal with real characters. The movie simply cements this as the method going forward. Appearances by anyone other than an army of sweeps was usually a straight up toy commercial!

@Jd-jb9fs 5 жыл бұрын

Even when i was young and first saw this movie, i always felt skywarp was the real cyclonus and bombshell was the clone , made more sense to me F-15- Space fighter, cause cyclonus was a good flyer and so was skywarp.

@FernandoVergelS 3 жыл бұрын

I think Cyclonus IS Skywarp and Scourge is Thundercracker, the rest of the sweeps are insecticon clones.

@metalmadness5851 4 жыл бұрын

I prefer the theory that both were fused, the combination Skywarp's skills and loyalty, plus Bombshell's intelligence creates a terrifying new commander.

@PaulNat360 4 жыл бұрын

my money's on SkyWarp. i've always liked him more than StarScream and ThunderCracker

@thedragonslayer7294 Жыл бұрын

In my personal opinion, I believe all of the insecticons became sweeps and Thundercracker and Skywarp became Scourge and Cyclonus respectively. The reason I believe this to be the case is because the insecticons were lower within the Decepticon ranks, which is why Thundercracker is their leader. Then Skywarp, I believe to be Cyclonus because they both Transform into jets.

@RodimusPrimal Жыл бұрын

You're not alone in that assessment. Flint Dille himself looks at them that way too.

@javodey Жыл бұрын

My headcanon? The Seekers became Scourge and Cyclonus. The reasoning? They were likely in the chain of command for the Decepticon Air fleet since they shared a body type with Starscream. It only makes sense for those in the chain of command to be granted positions of power upon reformatting. Last time I checked, the Insecticons were their own thing.

@JohnnyFrickinRico 6 ай бұрын

I think it makes more sense that Cyclonus was created from the combination of both Bombshell and Skywarp. Skywarp was never considered to be a very intelligent character when compared to a Decepticon like Cyclonus. So having been created from a combination of the highly intelligent Bombshell and the faster, more courageous and loyal Skywarp makes the most sense for the character's origin and backstory.

@CyberEJ 4 жыл бұрын

Looking at it logically, it would make sense for skywarp to become cyclones, thundercracker to be come scourge and the insecticons to become the sweeps

@emseesquared2510 5 жыл бұрын

To me, he was always Skywarp. It just made sense: of the original three seekers, Starscream ranked #1, and Skywarp and Thundercracker seemed to be #2 and #3 respectively. Despite the storyboards, making Bombshell into a fully loyal second-in-command felt like clumsy laziness, like someone had skipped a page of the series bible or something. Also, I never bought the theory that the tossed Deceptions were all dead, when we just saw them alive mere moments ago onboard Astrotrain. Sure they were weak and beaten, but they don't need to breathe in space, and I find it hard to believe they all just happened to die at the same time in the span of probably a few minutes. Now as to just who or what Cyclonus's "armada" is supposed to be, that's a whole other can of worms. My headcannon is that Bombshell became another Sweep.

@tfallspark5104 5 жыл бұрын

Skywarp! Though I can get behind the frankenstein idea!

@misssanx6227 5 жыл бұрын

I really love your videos. I'm new on Transformers and God I was introduced with Michael Bay as a kid somebody help me! So I hated the franchise because I thought was boring, however this recent month they introduced me to Transformers the original one and I'm enjoying it. For me it's make sence will be Skywarp I'm with you, but also the idea to mix 2 decepticons in one is actually lovely, the thing is I will miss these 2 seekers.

@maximaldinotrap 3 жыл бұрын

Watch H1 and then Beast Wars first.