Who did it best? Oli vs. Will Analysis of "Pray for Plagues"

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Who did it best? Oli vs. Will Analysis of "Pray for Plagues"

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I mean, you can probably already guess who I favored in the end, but I had a great time comparing and contrasting Oli and Will's performances of Pray for Plagues. Will's style is highly textured and modern, whereas Oli's performance carries the brute momentum that was more characteristic of the early 2000s. Either way, let's check it out!
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@anywhere_but_here 9 ай бұрын

to be honest, i really prefer the older style of deathcore vocals because theyre much more visceral and effective at conveying anger/pain, whereas the modern super compressed and theatric style doesnt do that as well for me. there are exceptions (like alex teyens performance on the Born Hanged EP) but for the most part i like the classic style.

@jacobjansson1486 8 ай бұрын

Born Hanged is such a banger album and Alex is a beast.

@carolinecoy3164 8 ай бұрын

@@gymbum9891same. I mean will is great at what he does. But it's just snorts. I hate that will has ruined hypnosis by sleep token for me though. That ending is so good. Now I hate the original 😂😂

@deetsitmeisterjd 8 ай бұрын

I kind of appreciate this reverence they have as vocal you can't really get anymore just due to the vocalists screaming incorrectly. All of that era have fucked up vocals and we thank them for their service.

@GoddaryuTUBE 2 ай бұрын

older style they were at least trying to annunciate words too, new style is make most brutal noise i possibly can and not even try say the words the lyrics apparently are meant to say

@goner.9989 9 ай бұрын

Will’s is better on terms of vocal technique (whaddaya expect on quality for a 2006 deathcore song), but Oli’s voice serves the song way better simply because it’s what the song was written for.

@deetsitmeisterjd 8 ай бұрын

It's nuts how close he can get though, specially since Oli was one of those vocalists that you could really hear his thick northern accent through. Or at least I could. And Will is Puerto Rican/American accent

@DouweHummeling 8 ай бұрын

15:15 as a person without perfect pitch, I can definitely comfirm, that is 100% is a note. No doubt.

@KardavoxAcademy 8 ай бұрын

See thats what thought but I wasn't sure. Feels good getting that confirmation

@sventenful 8 ай бұрын

I thought it was C at first, then I went to check if it is on piano and I was right but I can't say I have perfect pitch, half notes always get me.. could have perfect pitch if I would put some work on it but I don't care that much and can't see the point other than flexin' :D

@pieceoftrashkeith 9 ай бұрын

As much as I love Will's vocals, I still prefer the original.

@AxelHottes 8 ай бұрын

Same!

@moodmusic4life 8 ай бұрын

Will didn't enunciate at all it just blends into a wall of grrr

@carolinecoy3164 8 ай бұрын

I agree. I'm engrossed by wills crazy vocals but Oli sounds better. Think will is over doing it with the squeels. Love his cover of hypnosis by sleep token.

@billycaldwell1731 8 ай бұрын

I have to disagree

@StrangMuZ6 8 ай бұрын

Same

@Ghosts_inthesnow 9 ай бұрын

Will’s version is the first time I liked a cover enough to download it. I love both versions but his Recreant cover with Nik Nocturnal is INSANE and I kinda prefer that one over the original

@carolinecoy3164 8 ай бұрын

Who sang recreant 1st? Not BMTH? I lived that with Nik nocturnal. And I'm not a huge fan of that style of deathcore. Hes the only 1 that has captivated me on some level and I don't know why. I've only just got to the point where I can listen to BMTH deathcore music. If you'd told me that a few years ago I'd have told you to Fuck off.😂😂 It really does grow on you I'm the biggest BMTH fan ever and I hated the band to start with. Daughter playing true friends on repeat. I hated that's the spirit but Sempiternal won me over instantly. Now I love that's the spirit. Crazy 🤣 In love with there is a hell right now

@credaaaooo824 8 ай бұрын

@@carolinecoy3164 Recreant is Chelsea Grin. But i do agree with you on old BMTH being a hard listen, it took me a while of being into both BMTH AND Deathcore before i really started to appreciate it. The first album that got into BMTH was That's The Spirit, but Sempiternal quickly became my favorite. as for Deathcore, Chelsea Grin was the first band that got me into it with The Isnis, and then i absolutely fell in love with Whitechapel and never stopped listening to deathcore after that point. Still, those old BMTH tracks were still hard to listen to, especially since the production is far from being the best and it's very noisy and distorted. but even then, i still prefer the original BMTH version over Will's version, just because i think Oli has a better natural voice tone, even if not anywhere near as technical as Will

@quintupleton 8 ай бұрын

That recreant cover honestly is better

@carolinecoy3164 8 ай бұрын

@@credaaaooo824 oh. thank you. I've heard of Chelsea grin but never heard them. Do you like there is hell album? That's on par with Sempiternal for me. Just laying off it for a while as I over played it for way too long. I do that with awesome albums 😂😂. Play them on shuffle is the best. Never know what ya guna get. 🤪 My music taste is very out there though. I love George Michael and Neil diamond when I'm in the mood. Depeche mode and Metallica too. Bit of all sorts here and there. Metallica's early thrash stuff more so though. And David Bowie is up there in my favourites too. Variety is everything with music. Probably why BMTH are my current fave. They cover most moods. Can make a head rattling playlist or a chill out 1. 🤪

@Valentim_Vtr 8 ай бұрын

The original recreant song is better in live, check it pls

@LunchBox197 9 ай бұрын

Honestly I prefer the original.

@ryan-cochran 9 ай бұрын

This is so cool. I'd love to see you do the same with one of the slipknot covers Alex Terrible did

@Velakor9150 9 ай бұрын

as much of a staple this song is done by Oli, I just simply prefer Will. More range and better tone than Oli has ever had I just prefer that. Original will always slap though, that will never change

@scottswift8153 8 ай бұрын

Should have done a 3 way with infant annihilators cover when Dan Watson was the vocalist. That was the original cover and probably the best version. Plus the video for that with Aron in the borate thong. When he hip thrusts to the break down, so fing funny. Eddie and Aron really punched up the instrumental, added alot to it.

@drakewright2806 8 ай бұрын

Original Pray for plagues is in a place of my heart that nothing can replace. I absolutely love will I just saw him and the acacia strain and it blew my face off. But im 30 so in 06 I was in the midst of job for a cowboy and bmth when they were doing pray for plagues so it is special for me. I still thoroughly enjoy wills version but it's basically a COMPLETELY different song ya know? Anyways I love both. But bmth from then is sentimental to me

@zzeroXP 9 ай бұрын

I know you said in the video you have become more of a death core reactionist( which I love the death core) but I'd love for you to do more black metal!

@tsk3884 9 ай бұрын

I would love if he checked out aaskereia grims vocals are insane and very different from the standard black metal

@Velakor9150 9 ай бұрын

I'd love to see black metal! any form of it. They have so many amazing sounding techniques, and absolutely love the banshee screams alot of them do such as Ultar's live performances

@charlespeter5610 8 ай бұрын

@@tsk3884 that's a name I haven't heard in years

@nonstopmetal8141 8 ай бұрын

Oh my God bro I love that right after that 2 step part, a part that was waiting to see how Will would throw down, he let's out a subtle "eh" lol that shit made me laugh so hard

@Jmgtr42 9 ай бұрын

The original definitely has my vote, but I appreciate Will not doing a straight-up copy and making it his own. The vocal clarity argument always gets me lol. I always say that in metal, the vocals are more of an instrument as opposed to a way to convey lyrics. Just me lol

@leegriffiths8910 9 ай бұрын

Not really a fair comparison. Oli didn’t have the internet when he did it.

@la_s84 9 ай бұрын

even though they blew up on myspace 🤔🤣

@leegriffiths8910 9 ай бұрын

@@la_s84 you know what I mean ffs

@GoddaryuTUBE 2 ай бұрын

Oli handsdown, the song is the iconic sound of early 2000s deathcore and nobody can capture that better than Oli. Will being off-tempo in the "count your blessings" part is doing my head in too.

@ryan-cochran 9 ай бұрын

Careful with that nostalgia, Mark. You don't wanna slip into Liminal Rite

@KardavoxAcademy 9 ай бұрын

Dang I was wondering why my house was on fire

@ryan-cochran 9 ай бұрын

And it's fall man. You should have known better@@KardavoxAcademy

@ryan-cochran 9 ай бұрын

I hope that you guys can plan out some Black Dahlia Murder for sometime early next year.

@tanitam.7838 8 ай бұрын

I absolutely love both. Grew up with the original which I love a lot, but I also love Will's take on it.

@jonathanroberts3440 8 ай бұрын

Infant annihilator did the best cover of this song, but kinda hard to beat ana amazing original tbh

@Rob_Cary 9 ай бұрын

Im honestly surprised that someone of your caliber is impressed with bring me the horizon in general haha. After watching your viking reaction a couple weeks ago, I've learned a lot from you, man. My style is the kinda banshee shriek highs and tough guy lows of Jesse Leach and to some extent Frankie Palmeri...but your viking reaction has tons of advice I have taken to heart. I'm waiting for someone to tell me how you do this kinda stuff and also can switch to state champs style poppier singing which is something else I practice alot. Doing both of these kinds of vocals in one song is a feat I want to conquer. If I spend two hours working on screams though, I can't sing for shit afterward. Anytime I've made an album, I'll get all cleans done first on every song and then do the screams afterward. I know there are people that go from demon screams to pop croons in one take though and I just don't get how they do it, it's crazy.

@pillager278 8 ай бұрын

Probably a hard answer to try to explain but how can you hut the banshee highs? I've been trying to attack them the same way I have been my standard highs but I can't kick in to that banshee level

@GoddaryuTUBE 2 ай бұрын

bit late of a reply but just in case you haven't discovered it on your own yet, you are screaming with the wrong technique that is damaging you if you're unable to switch between singing and screaming.

@haydenraynor6639 8 ай бұрын

please do a video on Will’s cover of Recreant by Chelsea Grin

@calebafile4306 9 ай бұрын

I prefer the OG. I'm not a fan of modern deathcore, the vocals being one of the main issues. I'm same with you with intelligibility, though. I love hearing dumb, silly noises.

@jhall1980 9 ай бұрын

Does the shout that you're talking about use your true vocals? It sounds more like that would be the case. Is this a safe technique? It sounds awesome when Will does it.

@Tommy_Stewart 8 ай бұрын

Existentialism ftw. 🖤🤘🏻

@CoffeeonKorriban 8 ай бұрын

Holy crap.... 5:25 did he just pronounce "longevity" correctly?!? I'm super impressed!!!!!

@KardavoxAcademy 8 ай бұрын

You should hear me pronounce "specifically". I butcher it.

@CoffeeonKorriban 8 ай бұрын

@@KardavoxAcademy lol, I'll be on the lookout. 🤣

@shaxo5364 8 ай бұрын

I feel like Will has made a remastered version of what pray for plagues would sound like today Which i can see how many people would prefer it over the original But the original is well the original, it has a nostalgic feel to it which is hard to overlook So I'd say that there is no better, maybe if you compeared to vocals which one is better sure than Will, but it's still whatever you like and that's that

@Kovhell 8 ай бұрын

Man you should react to the infant anihilator cover of pray for plagues

@leachofsouls 9 ай бұрын

My fave version is the infant annihilator one with Dan On vocal

@byzantophile9976 8 ай бұрын

If you want to hear more of Will’s shouts you can check out Insidious: Phase II by A Wake In Providence, that album has a lot of this vocals. Also he does arf arf on it

@kenplotzke86 8 ай бұрын

Would love to see your reaction to Alex Terrible's cover to Mudvayne's "Dig"

@KardavoxAcademy 8 ай бұрын

That'd be fun!

@sherrymitchell9908 8 ай бұрын

Will!!!! 100% Will!!!!!

@OnyxOverkill 8 ай бұрын

Starting my metal vocalist journey 10 years ago started with covering this song as a shy 19 year old just wanting to make some brutal slams. I hope you check it out, i was thinking recently of covering it again since ive hit my official 10 years doing vocals and seeing how much better or worse it is now. lol

@jhall1980 9 ай бұрын

Awesome video

@Freogeteknet 9 ай бұрын

This video trips me out. It is clearly programmed drums but they got a video of a guy "playing it".

@KardavoxAcademy 9 ай бұрын

The whole video is likely them playing along to a mastered track and then synced up to the song. Most music videos aren't actually live.

@Freogeteknet 8 ай бұрын

@@KardavoxAcademy I can be wrong. But if the sound is from an actual take and not programmed it must be heavily sample replaced and quantizised. The snare has no dynamics whatsoever. The cymbals feel disconected to eachother in a typical programmed fasion. But the thing that stuck out to me the most are the fill at 14:17. But yeah can be a lot of sample replacement and a lot of editing, super common in this type of genre. Doesn't fit my taste but ey each to their own :)

@costelinha_ 9 ай бұрын

Não tem comparação para mim! Oliver era incrível no Count Your Blessings e nada se compara a isso, não gosto do novo estilo de vocal do Oliver... mas sinceramente? 2006 a 2010 nunca existiu ninguém que se comparasse a ele!

@bolivao8712 9 ай бұрын

Br sensato kkk brabo

@costelinha_ 9 ай бұрын

@@bolivao8712 finalmente um br que também acompanha o bmth, que coisa boa kakakakak

@bolivao8712 9 ай бұрын

@@costelinha_ acompanhava o raiz, o de hj em dia não dá kkk

@lllucasm 9 ай бұрын

eu prefiro essa época também mas ele não era lá essas coisas comparando com Mitch Lucker ou Jonny Davy

@Aftermost3590 8 ай бұрын

"I can't understand what they're saying" "W H O C A R E S" 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

@KardavoxAcademy 8 ай бұрын

*claps*

@Skanah_ 8 ай бұрын

If Will had done those pitched mid shouts over that two step sorta section i think it would be perfect. I did like the more slam and snarling stuff for the verse and chorus sections he did them in. Just think his shout would have fit the song more

@daltonmckee4788 8 ай бұрын

Will's highs always lean goblin but Ollie's are like a banshee. Banshee fits this song better but it would be fun to layer them both in sections

@jacobtridef48 8 ай бұрын

i slightly prefer the original. i love the new style of vocals, deathcore vocalists do. but sometimes just a classic normal deathcore vocals style just fits certain songs more, imo. this song is an example of that

@KardavoxAcademy 8 ай бұрын

That's totally fair!

@jankrajewski6170 8 ай бұрын

in terms of instrumental, what im always telling people is that you cant just reproduce Count Your Blessing sound with properly functioning AMP, broken AMP is the reason why its so unique XD

@jrowland6717 8 ай бұрын

The IA cover and Decayer covers are sicc too

@dillontschurwald461 8 ай бұрын

Will all day... Ollie can't even scream anymore

@deetsitmeisterjd 8 ай бұрын

As Iconic "Classics" like Indiana Jones or Jurassic Park are to Film. BMTH's Pray for Plagues is to Metal/Deathcore/Metpacore whatever you want to label that era.

@eleh1337 9 ай бұрын

Now reaction to the infant annihilator cover of pray for plagues

@atix6903 9 ай бұрын

Minecraft villagers be like 15:26

@KardavoxAcademy 9 ай бұрын

Dang you're not wrong though

@decepticonmark 8 ай бұрын

Infant Annihilator (Dan Watson) did it first and best as far as covers go.

@KingKrouch 8 ай бұрын

It seems like Will’s version of it lacks the vocal range of the original, in the sense that you’ll hear Oli make strange high pitched screams followed by deep ones. It’s not bad, it’s just noticeably different.

@307livin9 8 ай бұрын

Have you listened to Welcome Back O' Sleeping Dreamer form Lornas recent album? And if not, Will you be reacting to it?

@cpt.colton4549 8 ай бұрын

Yeah but have yall listened to Infant Annihilators version?? My personal favorite

@Kelly30stm 8 ай бұрын

I'm a fan of Oli and Will. I like Will's version better. I love Oli's vocals now vs then.

@itsnottylor4011 5 ай бұрын

pretty sure the note you were singing was an F. Which is really funny because you were saying "Eeee" and I so badly wanted it to be an E, but alas, you were a halfstep up

@LScoginge 9 ай бұрын

Infant annihilators version is the best 🤷‍♂

@alecdeflorio9941 9 ай бұрын

Love will as a vocalist but nothing compares to the original such raw and fierce sounding vocals

@ChronicBreakdown 7 ай бұрын

I like both versions, but Will definitely did it better in my opinion.

@852aaron 9 ай бұрын

"wet Will high" 10/10

@seanadams4333 9 ай бұрын

Check out the vocal cover for demolisher and compare will ramos vs alex terrible

@kirkmbutterfield 9 ай бұрын

It's hilarious! I fucking love it. It's rad killer.

@Maggot_infestedd 8 ай бұрын

Will did it better because he knows how to scream correctly. Oliver does not, to the point he can not scream anymore and had to have surgery on his vocal cords.

@julianestrada5993 8 ай бұрын

Ads always play before the breakdown wtf 😂

@josephl6727 8 ай бұрын

I might be being bias but I prefer Oli's take.

@Flayed221 9 ай бұрын

That plagues pronoucuation thing was really interesting

@Kur0taka 8 ай бұрын

It's cool to be able to discern the lyrics just from the vocal track and all, but vocals in this context are as much about pure instrumentation as the guitar and drums, words are irrelevant.

@notashton. 8 ай бұрын

Oli next question.

@JohnTCampbell1986 8 ай бұрын

I think Will is technically better, and I prefer his work with Lorna by miles, but for some reason I just prefer Oli on this. Maybe cos it's what I grew up with and I don't like change, maybe it's the intelligibility or something else entirely.

@lloyd1248 8 ай бұрын

I go with the original bmth and infant annihilator

@Justin_Michael6 8 ай бұрын

I LOVE Will! But for this specific song I 100000% disagree… Oli.. as much as his technique was wrong by today’s standards, mind you.. back in the mid 2000s we didn’t have the “internet” we have now. End of story. Oli has this all day!!! Given circumstances, time period, teaching experience, and learning experience…. Oli Mutha Fuckin Sykes!! Has this song all day!!! Like I said I LOVE Will!! But Oli doing this in a time where things were different? Oli wins. Hands down.

@shunedits6155 8 ай бұрын

you should react to the eyeless cover that bring me the horizon did

@cesarsanchez7937 9 ай бұрын

Will ramos> will ramos did it better since will has developed and improved his technique, the cover sounds better with more brutal vocal resources

@pyroboy417 8 ай бұрын

The Wet Willy scream 😩

@KardavoxAcademy 8 ай бұрын

Gotta love it!

@NoSleepIsland 9 ай бұрын

It's kinda the same as comparing Kobe to MJ. Even if the whole scene has advanced, we wouldn't have the greats of today without the one's who came before. Will definitely has better technique, but the original just got that raw brutality to it.

@Addicted.To.Not.Thinking. 8 ай бұрын

I know oli has been killing his voice for his entire career but I honestly think he is one of the best vocalists of all time and killed pray for plagues the first time around

@sommelierofstench 9 ай бұрын

didn’t do the song much justice tbh. will sounds goofy when he does too much

@iamafigmentofyourbrain.1013 8 ай бұрын

I listened to count your blessings today. Man.. nobody fuckin with oli.

@lacunarikain2 8 ай бұрын

Wet willy? Naw fam Wet Will High 👌

@petethorley5998 8 ай бұрын

No offense to Oli. But he's an amateur compared to Will.

@juliusbushiv2904 8 ай бұрын

If it’s guns be which one you like better it’s over before it starts lol

@TheRyanTitan 8 ай бұрын

Also the video is at 666 likes and ima leave it there but I like the video !

@TheRyanTitan 8 ай бұрын

The original will always be better then anyone else’s

@Baphxmet 8 ай бұрын

Objectively Will did better, subjectively Oli did better

@Phlfwlr 9 ай бұрын

We all already know who did it better.

@dangalangman7379 9 ай бұрын

I can legit do this song better than both of them tbh 😂

@richardtingler4798 8 ай бұрын

@@dangalangman7379 doubt it bro

@dangalangman7379 8 ай бұрын

@@richardtingler4798 how would you know? Lol I can pig squeal and do my tunnels waaaayyyy better 🤣

@NeedleDeedle69 8 ай бұрын

@@dangalangman7379So upload a cover then. We’ll be the judge.

@dangalangman7379 8 ай бұрын

@@NeedleDeedle69 my guy I got you. 🤣 my covers are done in one take and with a phone so don't expect quality just expect top tier brutality 🤘🏻😘

@jesselewis5699 8 ай бұрын

The original, duh.

@WitheredWithout 8 ай бұрын

🕯️🕯️🕯️ may the candles light your way, and keep the salty trolls at bay 🕯️🕯️🕯️

@enrike666999 Ай бұрын

that note was more or less a C my guy :)

@carolinecoy3164 8 ай бұрын

That roaar instead of the OH just didn't hit for me. Love will. But the original is the best. And if anyone dares try it with the lyrics complaint for this song is just trolling 😂😂These lyrics literally mean shit. Not at all like his genius bar's today.

@jacobharden5310 8 ай бұрын

Wet Will sound 😂

@AvarTyrog 9 ай бұрын

I like Wills more.

@Caderfixloxa 7 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of Will's version. Sounds too much like a "smoker". He's really good, just didn't hit it for me

@dillonbrowning4564 8 ай бұрын

Decayer did it best.

@immaculatemischief 7 ай бұрын

Infant annihilator did it best

@xCLINTx 8 ай бұрын

I just don’t like Will’s vocal style. At all

@ger5956 8 ай бұрын

Will wins hands down 😅

@kcfox1 9 ай бұрын

Oli is one of the most overrated vox of all time. People are blinded by nostalgia

@StevelandCleamer 9 ай бұрын

Decayer did it best imo. That cover is nasty

@lllucasm 9 ай бұрын

too much vocal acrobatics don't match with oldschool deathcore imo

@DS92688 8 ай бұрын

(Original) Soul > Vocal Gymnastics (Cover)

@craig3921 9 ай бұрын

Now do a comparison of who did Immortal better lmao. Will or Cj? This is mad disrespectful even though Oli left the scene. Will Ramos didn't make the song. Oli did. So obviously will cant remake that. And thats pretty much trying to prove to somebody that a vocalists cover did better than their actual song.

@laceratedlullaby 9 ай бұрын

Oli loved Will's cover so i'm not sure why you're upset lol...

@richardtingler4798 8 ай бұрын

How is it disrespectful, also shut up

@dangalangman7379 9 ай бұрын

As a deathcore vocalist I personally believe Will is overrated af and I prefer Tom and CJ Lorna Shore 😅 this dude can't even do the pig squeal part right.

@valentineX1X 9 ай бұрын

Will and dan watson both slapped the original, people hella nostalgic for bring me but they weren't as good as people remember.

@StevelandCleamer 9 ай бұрын

I couldn’t have said it better. The music is nostalgic as hell, and brings back a ton of memories, but it’s not very good quality. Don’t get me wrong, I love it though. Same as chiodos 😂

@valentineX1X 9 ай бұрын

@StevelandCleamer I mean, the price of existence by all shall perish came out the same year as count your blessings, and it smashes it. It holds up to this day where as bring me sure as shit doesn't.

@StevelandCleamer 9 ай бұрын

@@valentineX1X I gotta be honest I’ve never heard it. This was sort of my “gateway era” so I’m not very well versed with a lot of the older heavy stuff other than the more well known stuff. Listening to “wage slaves” now off that record and it hits! Thanks for sharing

@valentineX1X 9 ай бұрын

@StevelandCleamer my first deathcore bands were all shall perish, and as blood runs black around 06-07, they were my gateways. Bring me was in there, too as they blew up around the same time. But while deathcore in general has long left bring me behind I still think all shall perish is peak melodic deathcore till this day.