I can somewhat understand her joining the bakers, but not how good she is. She JUST started, why is she already so good at what she does? She definitely needed to be toned down.

I honestly want to see Babs have a moral crisis over what she's doing, like what if she had to kill Jazz or Chain link? Or even Applebloom? I know that wouldn't happen in the story but it'd be nice to see Babs have a sort of "what am I doing" and having a massive realization of what she's actually been doing

I think Babs would be better as her own little serial killer, she felt like she was just there to be a Inkie Pie stan and have good tactics for the Baker’s victims but it doesn’t feel like she belonged in there. Half of the Baker’s dynamic is family-like but Babs never really built a relationship with the Bakers besides her admiration for Inkie and her being Apple Bloom’s cousin, even minkie said she has to get to know her more. I feel like Babs would work more as a ally for the Bakers, a “partner” but not officially in the team, she could assist them when they get in a issue and they have to rely on someone, or keep in contact as close friends and Babs can be backup. But not in the group.

I remember in the past I had a scenario where Big Macintosh ended the Bakers. That Big Mac was able to break out of the restraints with his abnormal strength. I think even Reitanna knew he was a potential threat to them as she literally weakened him in the story. I had that scenario before that chapter.

While I love Babs, I definitely agree she is so fucking OP and a mary sue. I hated how much the bakers kissed her hooves so much lol

I think babs leaving the group would be the best story decision here? her returning to manehatten gives us a window into chainlink and jazz's perspective - i feel like reitanna developed them so much in Grudge of a Bad Seed and then proceeded to do nothing with them. One thing that hasn't been explored in Muffins is the family betrayal between a baker and their non-baker relatives. It was touched upon but never actually expanded upon. In addition, even in canon Babs was a great window into ponyville and non-baker storylines, yknow before lets welcome chaos ruined it. I really hate anything post the CMC's death because of how much it ruined any character oppertunities.

I never liked Babs addition to the series. I found it unnecessary. She could’ve been a relevant and prominente character in Muffins without being a baker

Comment two. After Babs enters we get this weird series of odd sexual scenes. There are several times where Babs says things like "ya want to dance big boy", or just gestures to herself and another pony(Pinkie or Blinkie) and says "we're a hot piece of flank". I know it happens earlier with things like Apple Bloom needs to flirt with this one pony and then they kill him. But it seems like Babs up ends the tone so much that there are sexual little bits here and there throughout the series that nobody seems to notice but myself. Big Mac is a huge pony and one of the most powerful ponies next to Applejack, and they somehow knock him out as fillies. But while doing that they talk really weird to him and that always made me uncomfortable. Rei has said multiple times that because Babs and Apple Bloom are 10 they don't have a sexuality, yet Babs has a very obvious sexual nature and confidence that often leads into this sexual angle. And it's kind of a bad undertone that really sours the character for me. Obviously this is the perfect version of the author so they would have a lot of self-confidence and feel sexually attractive, there's even a video somewhere where they talk about why they added Babs and it's partially the main and the hair looking like the Pinkie Pie siblings, but it's obvious it became a projection as time went on. And it's never been made secret that Rei sees themselves as unlovable and untouchable, and unable to be desired sexually. Babs having that self-confidence and talking in those ways really lends itself to the perfect version of Rei, a girl who believe she is confident and full of sex appeal. It's just very odd that she chose a 10-year-old to do that too and not 28-year-old Minkie. Apologies if I missed quotes but Babs adds something undesirable to the story for me.

Ok so I just rewatched this. I kinda realized- it's literally SO funny to me how Rei says that adding Maud to muffins would be 'overkill', but then processed to add Babs lmaooo💀

Both minkie and babs are overpowered considering who they are (a filly and a pony who is malnourished and who should have muscle atrophy due to her years in captivity.)

I like Babs, but she has always felt very out of place to me. I understand that being introduced late meant she’d get a lot of focus in the story afterwards due to needing more development, I just wish it didn’t come at the cost of shafting the other bakers some of whom were just as underdeveloped. I’d love to see her go back and stay in Manehatten after Fluttershy’s death and do her own thing while still maintaining contact and connection with the bakers. I imagine she’d have fun with Fluttershy but generally decide the Bakers way of doing things isn’t for her, plus I want her to figure herself out more divorced from them which would allow her to develop beyond ‘this kid can kick your ass six ways til sunday’. If I wrote it I’d have her murders be more public as she wouldn’t clean up the bodies beyond hiding evidence that connects the cases to her, which would give her news coverage and serial killer status like the zodiac killer or jack the ripper. Generally I just want her to have a different style and way of doing things to the Bakers. I’d have the news call her the butcher of Manehatten as the name I feel parallels the bakers and adds more connection. These are just my thoughts, sorry that it’s long.

Honestly, I do feel like Babs was just an add on to make the story stretch out. I had watched Rei's video on how even though she didn't want to, she would continue Muffins after "The Fun Never Ends" (I think). And I honestly feel like it should've been left off on that cliffhanger rather than the story be stretched out.

Honestly, I've never really liked Babs as an inclusion to Muffins. The cast already felt rather.. bloated? per say? I would definitely have preferred if the cast were kept to a smaller number. Even excluding that, Babs just isn't a compelling character to me. I'm not a fan of characters who essentially have no hurdles to overcome, or no resistance met when they try to accomplish something. Babs really just does whatever she wants, and the world goes along with it. Not to mention how her backstory absolutely REEKS of Reitanna's disdain for people who use drugs. My god, it's almost insufferable to read. I can understand being uncomfortable with drugs due to past trauma, but trauma is not an excuse to treat people like Reitanna treats people. People who have a drug addiction have a MENTAL ILLNESS. It's always disgusted me how awful Reitanna viewed those who were struggling in ways that she personally doesn't experience nor understand.

I’ve felt this way ever since the fluttershy chapter came out! Babs has a lot of Mary sue energy within muffins. I wished her existence in the story created more conflict, whether that be with babs herself or her position among the bakers.

characters should have a limit imo. when people give a character in the story too much power it ruins the other characters and turns that certain character into a mary sue. i didn't even know the other parts of the story even existed, but hearing what babs does in the later stories, it clearly shows favoritism and kind of throws me off. people favor minkie and babs for being super OP but blinkie is left alone most of the time. if babs were to be taken out of the muffins story, i'd like to see blinkie replace those roles and be shown as a bigger character in the bakers story.

I honestly like Babs seed. but..... how is she a baker? Has she ever really baked anything? I mean her sister I don't think she's ever taught her how to bake. I don't think Jazz even knows how to bake herself! And yet it said she's a baker or something? how? It doesn't seem she's baked anything before so how could she be a baker?

I don't get why she became a baker, either. I really thought she would help Fluttershy

I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt Babs was a little OP. She was fine in the beginning and I love her character. However her role in Welcome Chaos and Sting push it a bit, for me at least. Especially with how other characters constantly praise her like she’s the greatest baker ever. I also feel she overshadows Applebloom and Blinkie Pie but that might be just me. I love Babs character I just wish she had more flaws or more room for growth like the other bakers.

I wish i had known the series continued after Retina’s read alouds, i assume they’re on Deviant art or something. I had started making a sequel to muffins, focusing on Derpy because of course thats how Muffins had started, by adding Derpy. I honestly loved Babs inclusion, but i did feel like her joining The Bakers was weird. Her going back to Mainehatten or however its spelled and maybe dealing with Chainlink coming back, and him finding out she killed Short Fuse, Ruge, and Franshe Sabo i think would be super interesting.

This is long but bear with me. I feel like it makes sense for her to join the bakers. She helped them break out of prison and dig the tunnel, she had already killed her bullies, and, considering that she knew everything that went on and chose to help Applebloom and Derpy, I might even say it was necessary for the story. I mean, how could she go back to normalcy in her old life with Jazz when she already committed murder and helped a pack of murders escape prison? Plus, I could definitely see the bakers recruiting her legitimately. I mean, I think it would make sense. Being able to have somepony to go out and get supplies or talk to ponies, or just be able to leave and do stuff without risking death/jail time makes sense, right? Of course, there would have to be some changes to her character, like more emotions, more depth to how and why she does things, less power over the ponies around her, etc, but if put in the right context, I think she could be a pretty good candidate for the bakers. I also feel like she should be in Mainhattan for awhile too. Like, there was a huge development in the settings and characters there but it all simply passed away so she could join a pack of serial killers. Personally, I think it would make sense if she stayed in Ponyville for the duration of her stay with Big Macintosh, but leave after some time to have more story in Mainhattan. I think there could be a really cool arc here, where she tries to go back to daily life but has the sadistic secret of killing her bullies, helping break the Pies out of prison, and kill Fluttershy. It would make sense! It's what her cutie mark is all about. Either way I would like to see How would she handle it. Would she crack under pressure? How would she cope? Would her life change drastically or would she try hard to pretend it never happened to save normalcy? Would she kill again in Mainhattan? Or would she hold off until she couldn't? I feel like there could be a huge plot here that Reitanna just didn't explore. Not to mention, I don't really like just how detached she was of Jazz. Like, she wouldn't talk to her about her bullies harassing her so Jazz wouldn't have to worry, she could never bring herself to tell Jazz about her cutting, and she would've never mentioned anything if it wasn't for Chainlink pushing her to do so. Jazz was the most important pony Babs had for the majority of her life, and that relationship was thrown away so she could murder people. I just feel like it doesn't work that way. Not to mention, Babs would work best on a more solo scale. How would the bakers contact her? What could she do in Mainhattan to benefit them? There's a whole story left out here! I would also like to mention that Blinkie Pie feels so left out. Blinkie is barely in the story to begin with, not even featuring a solo for her, and Babs overtook that little spotlight she had left and destroyed it. For having a cutie mark that's as glamorous as a gold nugget, she sure doesn't shine. I just wish they included her more, and had each character featured reasonably through the story. Same thing for Derpy. The story was about her joining, wasn't it? But that's my general take on things. Take it as you will ❤️

DEFINITELY a Better Roll. You were right, she needs to be handled differently.

I think babs would be a much better ally than part of the group. She could act alone but occasionally the bakers find ways to communicate with her and they discuss plans or like prison break, help each other out when needed!

After re-listening to Muffins, I found that Babs actually does do a bit of cooking in her chapter. She makes applesauce and juice so that all the apples she had wouldn’t rot away(she even offered some to her bullies). It’s not exactly baking, but it’s something.

In my eyes, Babs seeds seem liked a forced character she had no reason to be in the group, I hope you find a way to make her a little more likeable.

I think it would be cool if Babs was a solo serial killer. It could show more of how she is as a character without being a complete Mary Sue, and perhaps a more in depth view of how Babs views the world and what she plans to do with it. Hell, maybe babs could be the one that stops the bakers. Perhaps even making Babs a form of vigilante by killing only the bad ponies in the world at first, but potentially could drive deeper and deeper down into insanity that she doesn't care who she kills. Though I think Babs teaming up with the bakers in let's welcome chaos would still be awesome, I don't know if it would work. Honestly I bet half of this makes no sense but I'd love to see Babs become her own thing, maybe even like a spin-off of something.

Could you imagine being the author’s overpowered self insert and then you get overshadowed by the author’s other self insert?

I’m amazed that some people are still making muffin content, I’m kinda blown away tbh

I know nothing about muffins but Babs feels like a overpowered character.

I remember my only issue with Babs being that it was strange for her to just...be there the whole time. Especially after the Chaos arc. I either asked the OG creator on one of her youtube vids or on a site where the fic was posted. My question was, "How does Babs get away with staying in Ponyville the whole time?" and the creator's response was along the lines of, "Well Jazz thinks Babs is in Ponyville helping take care of Granny Smith." Alright, yeah, sure. But for how long does that work? Is Babs sending letters back to Jazz? Wouldn't Jazz want her ten year old kid sister to keep in touch? What about after the Chaos arc were Ponyville is absolutely massacred by the bakers? No shot that word didn't spread to outside of Ponyville somehow, right? By the time Sting rolls around, Sharpshooter's narration remarks that Equestria had entered the "Dark Ages". So what's Jazz doing back in Manehatten? Does Jazz not want her ten year old sister to come home or what? I just don't quite...get it? The OG creator never got back to me on that one. Something I didn't realize I had a nitpick with was Babs' self harm. I never questioned it before when I used to binge the Muffins series, but a ten year old with self harm is, at the least, unheard of to me. But I'll also say that I can't speak to every person's experience. I get Bab's has issues but for some reason the self harm thing is was strikes me as odd. Maybe I'm outta line with this one idk. Also for Babs' place in this revamp of Muffins, if you haven't decided? I'd be interested in her being part of the story but what you decide to do with her, is your choice. I'd be rather interested to see what you do with her character.

AS LONG AS SHE IS IN THE STORY I DON'T CARE KEEP BABS PLZ

I really like Babs in Grudge of a Bad Seed as it was interesting to see her lifestyle and mind set but after that she kinda became my least favorite. I still like her but I wish there was either more writing improvement to her character or something else? There definitely could have been more potential to her than just being a sassy killer. Would have been interesting to see her slowly get to know Pinkie and the gang.

I can think of a babs weakness, she a philly. She’s not as strong as a grown pony, it’s basic biology.

I love these videos so much! Muffins was a huge part of my childhood and its genuinely AMAZING to see that there is still a fanbase for it! I noticed at 0:53 you have all the muffins stories in a google drive and I was just wondering if that drive where all the stories are readily available is public? I'd really love to have easy access to all the muffins stories since some that weren't narrated are harder to find lol

I didn't know that Reitanna's fanfic was beyond the audiobooks until I found your channel a few days ago, so I decided to read the last ones and "let's welcome chaos" was my less favorite chapter(s). Idk why, but the slaughter of a lot of ponies made me feel like Muffins was losing it's charm and was ending what was worth it, including the personalities of the characters. While I was ok with Babs being a baker, her being superior was strange for me, because Pinkie had being doing that for as long as they can remember, even before her sisters, when she started she had no idea about how to do it right, so she had to master her tecnique, but Babs didn't??? I expect better for her character in Muffins after years of waiting! :))

Rewatching these before checking the new Who Is video. I liked how Babs' tricked her bullies to eat the grounded apple seeds, and her using similar methods to deal with her victims would make her more interesting. She could take a slower and "hooves off" approach, study her victims and find out their weaknesses so she could exploit them. Slowly learning to become a master manipulator... and without realising it, becoming "the bully" herself. Maybe in Babs' mind her actions are justified, as the ponies she hurts are bad ponies. But it never is that simple or black & white. She would be good at manipulating others, however, if things don't go according to the keikaku she would easily loose her confidence and struggle against a pony who would physically fight back. IMO all the bakers, but especially Babs, are a little too OP. They might be villains of the story, but they are also the protagonists and you never want protags to feel invicible. There needs to be some suspense and risk even if you are certain the protags will make it to the end alive. I would love to see the bakers actually "lose" and feel its sting time to time, something that develops their characters further. Eg. Of course we knew that in S4 Twilight would eventually find a way to safe the day and defeat Tirek. But we didn't know how it would happen. It's not always the end that matters, but how we got there. Yeah, in the story the Pie Sister did get caught. But it might as well as not have happened because it didn't really affect anyone.

Going to separate my comment into two different posts because they have two different topics entirely. So this is comment one. I dislike this character because Rei made them into something that they weren't in the entire original series(ignore they're not murderers in the canon series, this is about how everyone, but especially Babs goes from in character Cupcakes to sociopathic monsters who kill their families EOS). There is no reason for Babs to be this OP so early on. And it is early on when you realize that muffins is over forty parts and by this point we are halfway through, and Babs is there taking most of the spotlight away from the other two sisters that most people have already said don't get enough attention. Continuing into this Babs just goes down a path of being somehow really good at poisoning with arsenic when arsenic takes skill. Arsenic is not something that comes naturally, and historically there have been many arsenic poisonings that have failed because of baking. Baking changes the chemical composition of arsenic so if Babs is putting arsenic in the baked goods and poisoning people it won't work. This is most popularly known if I recall correctly as Rasputin was poisoned with a pie that was filled with arsenic but due to it being a fruit pie the fruit absorbed the arsenic and made it safe. I have never quite agreed with the Cupcakes and Muffins universe having this idea that they have to kill their own family, which means that eventually Jazz would have to be killed, and that should have some great effect on her mind and mess her up. But much like with applejack, Apple Bloom for some reason just felt nothing towards her sister even enjoying torturing her for a drawn out amount of time. The feelings family love doesn't disappear, especially in non-abusive situations like Applejack. I can accept Cloudy and Igneous were both abusive and never treated their children with love therefore their deaths were empty acts of not being alive to hurt their kids anymore. Babs becomes this empty being who feels nothing even though we've seen in the earlier moments she wanted to fit in, and she did have some connections with some ponies. Yeah her sister was a little bit distant but she still loved her. And they seem to just erase that and throw her into this dark edgy situation, and have these characters always go my emotions are dead which isn't how it happens you don't lose emotions as you do things you tend to gain emotions. Exposure to murder doesn't make people usually feel less upset over murder it makes them feel more upset over existential issues. In my eyes Babs was an unwelcome addition that did nothing but stan another of the Bakers who doesn't get enough attention.

Ngl it always rubbed me the wrong way by how overpowered she was. It made things feel especially off for me in a way I could never describe

man, just as i was finally getting started on rewritting muffins, i see youve already begun lol good work tho

Очень жаль, что она так больше и не появилась в сериале(((

Please tell me I’m not the only one who hated Babs. ( she isn’t my favorite in the actual show either) 2:36 woah! Your telling me that a stallion that spend most of his life bucking apple trees loses to a 10 year old?!?! I haven’t read muffins and don’t plan on it but damn?!?! How do people like this character?!

Sense I wasn't aware that muffins had continued past the read aloud uploads made by reitanna, I wasn't really fully aware just how OP she was and how she took over the light of the cast. I still like her character, I've always liked he because she reminds me of me when I was way younger, but I will admit her being OP and taking over is a bit disappointing to find out about. While kids aren't as dumb as people believe them to be, she IS still a child, and even the smartest of children are still naive and don't know everything-- I honestly kinda want her to separate from the baker's after she realizes it isn't as fun as she thought it would be, I imagine she'd wanna do other things to the bodies and would be annoyed she'd have to be careful to not damage the meat and such too much-- Perhaps she'd leave back to manehatten without telling the baker's, maybe after a little fight, and after trying to become a serial killer to prove to mostly herself that she still has the touch, she gets caught (she's a child she isn't a mastermind, especially on her own) and we can finally focus a bit more on the baker's, maybe applebloom a bit more

It's better with just the Pie sisters, Derpy, the adopted sister and Apple Bloom, the surrogate baby sister/ apprentice Babs feels like she should be in a completely different storyline where she's the Villian if that is the story that you want to tell.

(Sorry for the rant, I just love the concept) Personally I kinda like Babs, it's true she's not like the bakers and even tho she suffered trauma she kinda handles it differently then the others too (idk how to explain). I think that Babs could go off and maybe comes back because maybe doing killings with the bakers is just more fun for her (like she can't just go home to her sister and talk about killing so she kinda feels lonely for not being abled to share her "interest") or I can see her not enjoying the baking as much so she doesn't bake with the others but might just hangout with them as they bake. She would still eat the sweets but she mainly likes killing, making stuff and doing the sneaking around cause for her that's the most exciting part.

Love those OC’S 1:43 3:12

Theres so much wrong w the series and Babs’ addition is one of them- Im not saying she shouldnt be in the series but did she rlly hv to be a baker? And why is she so overpowered? Shes somehow more overpowered than the bakers- I hate that the “good guys” of the story are made out to be useless when trying to stop the bakers when they rlly shouldnt be that hard to stop 💀 its incredibly unrealistic, especially w babs as she is supposed to be a newbie to the team- Im sure it could be a good series, and no hate to Reitanna but this is badly written. The bakers are terrible but theyre made out to be these indestructible unstoppable ponies when in reality, Im sure they could easily be taken out (especially by a powerful unicorn. Earth pony strength and pegasi barely hv anything on a unicorn thats good w its magic 💀 even w a strategy to undertake the unicorn, I feel like when it rlly comes down to it, magic will always come down on top. I had this issue when babs was fighting her bullies- Idk if I was supposed to be rooting for her but I found it unrealistic how she took down the unicorn of all her bullies bc the story made it seem like Branche was rlly good w her magic for such a young filly- idk this whole thing feels similar to those gacha stories abt the hybrid princesses and how OP they are. I still like some of the Muffins stories (I like horror related stuff) but some of them are written so bad that they make me cringe Edit: I did find some of the d3aths satisfying (the Pies’ parents, Diamond Tiara as she wasn’t reformed in this series) but my point still stands- tbh during that episode w twilight and babs, where twilight was at the mental health place, I honestly wanted twi to go lesson zero on Babs (despite not having her horn or magic), and toss that little rat out the window- Im sorry but babs is overpowered and I just wanted something else to happen other than “bakers too powerful! Cant stop them! 🤪😜🥰😍😘😱” A lot of the bakers hv rlly sad backstories but I honestly dont feel bad bc theyre terrible ponies that, despite taking out ponies who deserve to be put out, take out a lot of innocent ponies, but I also hv no sympathy bc theyre overpowered asf anyways 🤦‍♀️

I feel really bad for babs seed

Hi hello, doin this here cuz the discords not up. In your stream you mentioned maybe going off what is cannon, including Let The Chaos Begin (or whatever its called) and Sting, but you also mentioned wanting babs to leave (in this video, and on stream i think) You could have Babs riot against Pinkie with Applebloom, Derpy, and maybe even the other Pies. cuz of course Applebloom and Derpy were manipulated Babs could make them realize that. kinda long, and you dont have to do anything with it or anything, i just needed to share

I can agree. I'm not against the decision of Babs joining the baker's. But I will admit that she definitely took up the spotlight too much. Almost like she became their second leader outside of Blinkie Pie.

Question! I know you’ve said you want to rewrite muffins with your own ending, and you plan to rewrite some characters in different directions- i was wondering what is going to influence your direction for the story? I’ve seen your narration for the Sweetiebelle and Scootaloo story, so I assume you’ve also read Rei’s other stories that come afterward. Do you think the war-like ending she tried to write was too much? The fact the Bakers killed everybody (including police and military) (and even blew up Cloudsdale??) was a bit too much and plan to go in a different direction for muffins? I’ve been so curious how it will end beyond that point and i’m wondering if that’s a story you will narrate/include in your ending or ditch it and go a different direction :)

Filly version of Niko bellic

In my opinion, you should credit the art that you show in this video and the blinkie video. (apart from your own)

3:15 unrelated but I always question why Rouge looks like that, it makes me super uncomfy 😭 isnt she supposed to be the same age as babs and apple bloom?

I knew dat French and American never should go together

Ooo new idea for my last comment that came to mind! What if after she gets caught and put on trial, she makes it out as if the baker's had groomed her into doing what she did and such, I think she'd be able to pull it off cause as far as I remember I don't remember anyone catching onto her, and anyone who did had died (Fluttershy, sweetie Belle and scootaloo etc) And I would love to see her rat out the baker's just to get herself out of the situation, although I think she'd try and get them to spare applebloom cause she DOES care for her, maybe she'll say how applebloom was also groomed into the situation (honestly she kinda was ngl--) and I'd love to see the baker's reaction to that lol

Ini babs seed bukan pony itu JAHAT!!!!