Maybe Ahura Mazda and Ahriman?

I think Demiurge is a really sad figure, he was abandoned by his mother Sophia and left alone to live the lie that he really was God. He's basically a discarded, deluded child who, despite having created everything, even beautiful and good things, is blamed for all the world's evil and reviled. In mainstream Christianity the world isn't a bad thing, sure, it was corrupted by Lucifer through sin, but Jesus' mission is to redeem the world and purify it, not destroy it in favour of some immaterial utopia, which is why I really don't agree with gnosticism.

Mah baby snake Samael, the red little rascal of the eden lol Bro, Samael is like that strange friend who everybody think is crazy/troublemaker: if the party is okay/normal, he will flirt with the girlfriend/sister of the guy who owns the house; just because he is bored. That friend who also makes the best jokes and is always trolling, but you can count on him for any sh*t. The SMT makes a great design for him... but then he cannot be summoned in Persona 5, because the f*ckers made him became a bald d*ck boner. Again, Samael, pls... PLS!

The Harbinger of the Ruin

I really liked the videos explaining the endings of the SMT games, do you think you’ll do more of them?

The first troll in the universe

We do a little trolling

@@doctorhealsgood5456 "We do a little trolling" *proceeds to create literally everything*

@@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas [...] to create literally everything imperfectly so it suffers, rots, dies, and rots some more. And is trapped into repeating it endlessly.

Gotta add a little ✨ spice ✨ I love God, if this is actually what happened he is even more brilliant for it.

Same here, As a Christian Myself, SMT especially IV and Apocalypse and Persona encouraged me with my research. Assassin's Creed was the same as I have uncovered connections with the Knights Templar in irl.

@@Harleena1995 im glad I'm not the only fellow Christian who also enjoy this franchise.

Imagine actually believing in the judeo-Christian god.

@@rowdyrobgaming8726 Y'know, Abrahamic-God is a more inclusive term than "Judeo-Christian" ya bigote

as a Christian i love the series just want better law endings

When you put it like that it does paint in a much more sympathetic light. He will always try, but likely will never succeed.

The demiurge needs a different perspective

Read john lamb lash. A scholar of nag hammedi Sophia an aeon fell in error from pleroma and is emboded in our earth mother earth. When she fell her fear forms created the energies or thought forms and gave birth to demiurge.

@@Tony4You thats the thing, “demiurge” is titled as samaEL in the texts, the original name of the satan. When we look at it the way you are, we can understand how to move forward in the cosmic+moral+conscious evolution that the all being creator above demiurge started in the first place

I'm not evil fuck you. If there was no ego there was no problem

Yeah, the more I learned about it the deeper down the rabbit hole I went in understanding more of SMT. Maybe more videos in the works on this topic

Lilith is Gnostic? I always thought she was part of the New Testament or something-

@@goroakechi6126 Definitely not. I certainly never learn about her in church, lol.

@@goroakechi6126 IIRC, she's part of the Kabala

Lilith isn't part of the Gnostic cosmology, at least the Gnostic texts that are currently known.

Demiurge enjoyers rise up!

So, he also need human? Same shit

See Persona 5S

​@@eavyeavy2864 Yaldabaoth is an abusive Ex. Demiurge's a kidnapper with sosiopathy

same being@@eavyeavy2864

Only half as much though (demi = half)

@@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas you rang?

@@Demi-Joker Yaldabaoth rang

Hey thanks! I was so surprised researching this subject and realizing just how deep it goes. The false gods and philosophical takeaways from them are so fascinating

Take the A from Abraham and add it to the end

I barely even knew anything about him prior to starting the research, really glad others were interested as well

I appreciate it lol. Hopefully one day I'll get to the top

For real, my man Tony deserve a little Throne next to YHVH for all his work.

Out of all the languages you could speak u chose facts

SMT isnt even underrated, people like the games alot, and it doesnt underperform. Many people dont talk about it because its niche

does SMT stand for #SparkMasterTape ?

how many of them come from Final Fantasy?

@@christopherbravo1813 I find that despite the memes, very few final bosses in FF are actual gods. Most of the time you fight a human trying to become a god, like Kefka or Sephiroth.

@@BigKlingy though in Kefka's case, you fight the actual gods several times before fighting him.

Xenogears and Xenoblade say hello, lol. They don't even try to hide it (the Monado, anyone?)

@@willd1790 Yaldabaoth is a mecha in XC1 as well

Demiurge is a fascinating demon. Don't fall to heresy researching him lol

It seems like the demiurge is a lot like Thanos but I would not fall for it. If you believe in Jesus and the "true" God you know that it should save you. Satan is very good at deceiving people but I can sort of see why that Catholic church got rid of gnostic texts. There were so many gnostic gospels but its hard to believe how they did not choose a majority them to be a part of the canonical ones the more I study them, but I sort of see it from their perspective though being that Jesus was parallel with the prophets of Isiah, Zachariah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Malachi. And a lot of people were killed for heresy for having them in their possession which is hard to believe this is what they were talking about. I am a Protestant and the Protestant tradition comes out of the Catholic church which condemned heresy , but I imagine there were so many other sayings Jesus said during his life but unfortunately the reliability of what people spoke about him is not 100 percent accurate because this is like a big game of telephone. Especially that you get the rest of the gospels from the other disciples but it is depicted in such a contradictory light. But like Jesus said he was the great "i am" in Matthew 11 in contrast with Exodus 3:14? was this edited out by chance?! But I slightly disagree to some extent because there were commandments to not commit sin by this "malevolent God" we know and worship and then Jesus extended on those teachings which being set free from the bondage of sin through the Son is what sets a Christian free because someone cannot live a perfect sinless life. God is so pure that he cannot be around sin and judges us for our wrong doings so I agree that the gnostic gospels are somewhat deceptive or even apply mimicry. This is probably what Jesus meant when he said that there would be many like him that would be false teachers. And the demiurge is shaped like a snake too, Satan is depicted as a snake!! Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and not of the tree of the knowledge of god. They were not stupid they were perfect beings that could not judge someone for their appearance or even think a dirty thought about others in the Garden of Eden. I myself cannot resist to judge people for how they dress just imagine how sinless I would be if I was in their state of mind. I try to follow God but fail all the time and have to repent and change my routine. Just because the other disciples also wrote their own books does not make their version of the story right either, especially Judas who was a lying thief and a traitor. It said in John 13 when he took the bread from Jesus Satan entered him, yikes!!!

There's so much you can do with this concept honestly

but no, God *has* to be evil no matter what Testament video game creators draw from.

This concept already exist with yhvh as malevolent God and the great Will as the true creator, even tho we still don't know what actually the great Will is.

@@basedturu2320 except God is so much less malevolent than the Great Will.

@@basedturu2320 No. The Axiom is The True Almighty in SMT

I'm more curious about why Adam and Eve, the only random encounter in Paradise, share the same visual design as Yaldaboath's… head…and a half

Yeah this isn't a super unique aspect of SMT per se. Japanese devs really love religion and especially Abrahamic lore. Gnosticism especially the more you research, the more you realize is in a lot of media

@@Tony4You Yeah for example William Blake’s Urizen is very similar to the Demiurge.

@@Tony4You Has similarities to the whole enlightenment aspect seen in other eastern beliefs. Gnosticism just has a solidified antagonistic force keeping individuals bound to the physical world so it makes for a proper aspect of something to fight against rather than an internal struggle of the material vs the spiritual and consequences stemming from choosing the former.

*cough* Silent hill *cough*

I thought I was the only one thinking we going through a spiritual revolution

Please elaborate.

Any book recommendations?

Yo how's that game going?

Hell yeah brother!

Xenogears introduced me to Gnostism and my mind has been blown. Kinda spoopy!

Would've made for a good side quest considering Sophia is in the game already and Demiurge would definitely aim for the throne

@@mr.sellout6284 I’d rather have Demiurge be the main antagonist, possibly trying to screw YHVH and Lucifer over. Perhaps he created his own version of the world, and YHVH wants to destroy the Demiurge for his “false godhood,” while Lucifer wants to free the beings inside the Demiurge’s world.

Demiurge gets the Yaldabaoth role in P5S.

Anything that helps you learn is valuable. Definitely research more as I've only scratched the surface

I chose to do a video on him kind of on a whim and it turned out really well. Happy people are enjoying

I have found one of my people.

I really appreciate it! It helps I really enjoy researching this stuff, and I'm glad my audience does too

Demiurge is so awesome, the more I make these videos the more I want to push back the "best demon designs" video lol

I was surprised how many people were really interested in him honestly. I am on board as well after doing this research. I believe the strikers and P5 Yaldabaoth are different sides of the same entity, though they act very differently and are obvious nods to the different interpretations of Gnostic and Platonic ideas

@@Tony4You Right, they were created through completely different ways. Maybe it’s more accurate to say that EMMA assumed Yaldabaoth’s position like how Maruki did? Although the former is has more in common with the original pseudo-god of control.

I've heard that in some traditions, Satanael is another name for the Demiurge. If that's true it fits P5, as when you think about it they are essentially the same thing: both colossal entities born from the cognition of Tokyo.

@@BigKlingy I heard that there was a minor belief that the Devil was synonymous with the Demiurge. it'd certainly be ironic, given that Satan is full of pride and would be absolutely *thrilled* if ignorant humans worshipped him instead of God.

The thing about the boss deities in persona (aside from Nyx who is a special case) is that they are not the actual deities. They are being created passively by the collective unconsious that represent various concepts that humanity either consciously or subconsciously thinks. In Yaldabaoths case, he was the manifestation of mankinds subconscious desire to be controlled, because being told how to think and what to do is easier than doing it yourself. The phantom theives defeated Yaldabaoth, but that concept that caused his creation remained. Then EMMA came along and was something that the concept could be directly focused on, thus turning EMMA into basically Yaldabaoth 2.0. They were the same entity created using the same method, just one sprung up from nothing via the collective unconscious, and the other was something transformed via the collective unconscious.

I appreciate such kind words really. I'm happy people are using my videos as educational entertainment and I hope more people will too!

if anything he is a disgrace to bald people, at least the real Lucifer has the courage to accept he is not on the same level as bald people and gets himself some hair

Hey I appreciate it!

Thanks a lot! I hope you keep enjoying the content

Take your meds. It wasn't your fault she died

Really appreciate it, glad people are as into this stuff as I am

I just had the demiurge to make this video

Awesome! I'm so glad my channel could be interesting to a new fan of the series. I hope you can get some of the games soon as they really blew my mind

@@Tony4You absolutely, it's making me see these stories in a whole new way, it's what I love about shin megami tensei. I'm hoping to get strange journey soon, I want the original one since I heard redux adds some....not so great changes. But I still have loads of easy and cheap game's to acquire.

Yeah it blew my mind once I started researching it. They never cease to amaze me

@@Tony4You hey do you think you can do a video on the messages of all the individual smt and Persona games

I think the Gnostic belief of the material world being evil ties into P5 Yaldabaoth too, although I could be reaching here. The cognitive Yaldabaoth is born from the people of Tokyo's belief that society is so corrupt and irredeemable that trying to fix it is pointless.

@@BigKlingy wow that's awesome I could see that

Happy people are enjoying it!

Happy I could talk about something interesting. More videos to come!

Thanks a lot! I'm really glad people are enjoying them

Making videos on a ton more demons in the dream! I will pace myself and maybe fin tune the editing a bit, but I do hope to cover a lot more demons

The utmost heresy my brother!

Flynn kills the Demiurge as a side quest which is pretty funny if you think about it yeah lol

@@Tony4You persona's Yaldabaoth is actually far stronger than the regular Demiurge I'll have you know that, Joker himself is actually stronger than Flynn.

P5 vanilla? i played Royal and honestly compared to 3FES and 4, even in my merciless run P5 was waaaaaaay to easy

😳Thanks

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Interesting, I might look into those at some point. Could make for a really interesting video

@@Tony4YouWow, wasn't respecting a response! Thanks!

The Old Testament is itself a fanfic. Well, either that or a propaganda piece not only glorifying obedience but ignorant (AKA lack of Knowledge) obedience.

I wish I started sooner tooo lol

Could be an interesting video, thanks for the suggestion!

Yeah it does look a lot like Mithra from Zoroastrian religious lore. It is used as a picture representing the platonic version of the demiurge but bears a striking resemblance for sure. Might be something worth looking into in another video if nothing else

Thanks king

I really appreciate it! Gnosticism is some of the most insane stuff to research and I'm glad I could get more people into learning about this stuff.

There is so much to talk about with each demon, it's a blessing and a curse for these videos lol. One day I'll get back to the "Satan" figures

Fun fact: In Bogomilism(a 10th century gnostic sect), Satanael is the Demiurge. He was said to be the brother of Christ, and he rebelled against God. Because of this, he was kicked out from the Heavens and he created the material world later on.

I was debating whether or not to bring it up, but the video would get really long and lose focus if I delved into speculation rather than hard research. Better to leave things for later videos to flesh out more. Strikers has a lot more going for it then people give it credit lore wise. Such a great game

@@Tony4You that makes sense. It just really tickled my curiosity and I was disappointed that part wasn't satiated. Don't get me wrong though, I did enjoy the video! 😊

I searched for the picture and it actually is a drawing of a statue found in the temple of Mithra, even tho it is on the wikipedia page of the Demiurge. Either way, I found out that scholars have noted some similarities between some of the figures in mystical religions. The gnostic Yaldabaoth, the orphic Phanes and Mithra are all associated with snakes and lions.

the irony is that God cares about humanity far more than the Great Will ever has.

Yeah I kind of combine the two pronunciations as a mix up in my brain. My bad, I hope the vid was still alright though

I could definitely look into it! I am exploring all about that aspect of the games right now and and just trying to work out how to best tackle it

@@Tony4You Sounds Great ! I've already done some research on my side but I think I just know the main lines, partly thanks to wikipedia, so I've already built my own version and I can't wait to see yours :D, now that I think about it a video on the kabbalah will be more explanatory, you just mentioned Monad so I guess you can be fine with it, who will be the final boss of the next P5 logically and I had never heard of Barbalo, it surprised me, I never found anything about her.

Best I could find is "Cycle of Birth and Death" by Bhakti Art

Yes

Interesting to think about, SMTV has more to uncover it seems

Sophia only reveals herself as the actual Sophia after 75% compendium completion

Yeah I read about Ahriman during research and thought it would be too long to slot in and definitely deserves it's own video. All the concepts talked about even in this comment need a good amount of time to unpack lol