You can argue death metal started before Death, but you can never argue it started after. All Hail Chuck \m/

Loudwire be like: "We are not saying it was Death, but it was Death"

I actually invented death metal but I don't want to talk about it.

I'm not saying this host reminds me of a Nickelodeon presenter. But he definitely reminds me of a Nickelodeon presenter

“How do you explain Cannibal Corpse to your parents?” Easy, my dad was the one who introduced me to Cannibal Corpse lol

"And then comes Cannibal Corpse and how do you explain that" I haven't heard such truth in years

Ive heard lot of people say that Reign in Blood laid the foundation for death metal and that Slayer were the heaviest band of their time, but I think Kreator's pleasure to kill was way heavier and a lot closer to being borderline death metal than Slayer ever were. IMO, Pleasure to Kill is still to this day, probably the heaviest thrash metal album I've ever heard.

Whatever, but Death is still the greatest death metal band of all time

I miss Chuck. I'm going to listen to Human now.

Sepultura's Beastial Devastation was more death metal than Slayer's Hell Awaits in 1985.

I like this guy. He has the energy of someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about but the copy is really intelligently researched/worded

Created by Possessed, perfected by Death.

As a Loudwire expert I can safely say that Slipknot was the first death metal band, Ghost was the first black metal band, Rammstien is the only industrial metal band, and suicide silence was the father of rock and roll.

I.M.O. , Death Metal invetion came gradually , the first seed being on early Slayer , Venom , Celtic Frost and Kreator , but the first (for me) "official" Death Metal register has to be Sepultura's "Bestial Devastation" or the first Possesed . One of these 2 . or both .

Can we just appreciate the fact that he greenscreened himself into the loudwire place?

Sepultura "Beneath the Remains" has to be a 50/50 combination of thrash and death.I heard it the other day on KZfaq and had forgotten how heavy and yet catchy it is.Awesome guitar work,so fast and with many a tortured-bend chord and note.

Possessed and Death, there I saved you 12 minutes. Possessed was death thrash and coined the term Death Metal.

Possessed invented Death Metal, Death defined Death Metal.

Chuck Schuldiner said in an interview that Possessed is the first death metal band. Bay Area represents underground music. 🇺🇸🎸👿🤘

I graduated high school in '88 so I remember these days! I was able to convince my grandparents to buy 'Reign in Blood' (on cassette of course) as my Xmas present! This reads like someone browsing through my music collection! Great stuff!

Thats not Matt Pike, he's wearing a shirt

I love most bands mentioned here, but I also feel Necrophagia really deserves some credit as well. Great underrated band and their debut Season of the Dead is one of the first and a masterpiece of horror and death themed metal.

I remember Venom, Merciful Fate, and Celtic Frost being referred to as "Death Metal" in 86 - 87. Shit was moving so fast - nobody paid attention to labels then. I also remember hearing Slayer on pirate tapes in 84.

I saw Death at The Beacham Theatre when James Murphy had joined the band (all props to Rick, too, though!). After sound check they were hanging out in their 'tour bus' and even though they were always cool it was obvious they were tired so we all left them alone and hung out waiting for the show to start. Seemingly out of nowhere James Murphy walked out and asked the few of us that were nearby if we wanted to hear an advanced copy of their 'new album' called Spiritual Healing- we just needed a casette player since his advance copy was on cassette. We walked right across the street to my friend's car and James put the cassette in the tape deck. I think we got to hear 3 songs or so- that was f*cking cool. It's still one of my top favorite albums of all time to date. James- your rock man. That was the coolest shit ever. RIP Chuck- some unreal music you made man! Terry, Rick and especially Bill- you guys made the best death metal ever- Thank You All!

So... no one is going to acknowledge the existence of Necrophagia anymore?

I was wondering why people never mention Sepultura " Beastial Devastation (1985)" and "Morbid Visions (1986)" and Sarcófago "I.N.R.I (1987)". D.D. Crazy from Sarcófago was the first drummer to introduce "blast beats". I.N.R.I. is one of the most extreme metal album of all time. There were lots of other bands at that time doing extreme music.

Possessed’s “Seven Churches” was the true first death metal album, but Death’s first two albums really laid the path for late 80s blow up.

Not saying they aren’t the “origin” but using the term in a song would mean Steppenwolf originated heavy metal.

I have a problem my mom calls pantera death metal

For me Death are not only the Kings of death metal, but of all metal. They had the melodies, the philosophical and intelligent lyrics, incredible musicianship and where always harder and heavier

Venom Welcome to Hell in 1981 was the very first brutal, speed, heavy guitar riff, grunty barking evil vocals, dark and satanic death metal album. Many call it the first black metal album, well there can be 1000 metal genres, I call it the very first death metal album because there was no brutal, speed, heavy riff, dark metal album exactly like that before 1981. It was the very first, therefore the very, very beginning of the death metal genre that simply doesn't and cannot have the progression in sound that lets say 1986's Darkness Descends, 1987's Scream Bloody Gore and 1991's Butchered at Birth have, but it was the beginning.

Let's just ignore that "death metal" was a very common term in the swedish underground in like... 83

Mike Torrao (Possessed): “We kind of got a big influence from Venom. We had no influence from Slayer at all. Everybody thinks we did but we didn't.” "Kiss was like my influence to play guitar and stuff. I liked Ace Frehley, the guitar player, and then I grew up on Iron Maiden. After that Judas Priest through high school and then I got into Venom and that's when the Possessed thing started happening."

First blast beat I can remember: Milk by Stormtroopers of Death off of Speak English or Die

Can't believe no one mention Sepultura! They had a lot to do with early Death Metal stuff and the genre actually given the name. I think Max and Igor really laid down a foundation to follow on there own. Even if you listen to Cavalera Conspiracy today. That's how early Death Metal sounded. I remember hearing Igor's blast beats way before Death or Napalm Death.

I find it interesting that you didn't talk about the fact that Sepultura's EP, Beastial Devastation had much the same vibe as these other two albums (especially Seven Churches). I know they were generally considered a thrash band, but their stuff evolved quite a bit over the years and their early stuff definitely has that "beginnings of death metal" vibe to it. And that also came out in 1985. I think some credit is due there.

Earliest I've been since Phil Anselmo kissed Gruhammed

Hell Awaits was pretty death metal like

Your answer is on the thumbnail. "Death"

Death- Spiritual Healing was my first. I ordered a cassette from Columbia House music club because I liked the cover art. Now I’m 41 and still listening to death metal, deathcore, slam, thrash.

I still remember the day I left Eaten Back to Life in the CD player downstairs as that's the only one in the house and my Dad found it. The look on his face when he saw the album cover was classic lmao. He was speechless.

Killjoy (Necrophagia): "I started getting into punk when I was twelve and stayed there until hearing Venom when they started. Venom had elements of punk but with a whole new twist. I was hooked big time. And soon after, Necrophagia was created."

This is absolute quality and I love it. Thanks Loudwire!

Possessed is generally considered the first death metal band due to their more intense thrash style and the growled vocals. They were an influence on Chuck Schuldiner & Death.

Death's "Death by Metal" and "Reign of Terror" demos came out in 1984 and were very much death metal recordings earlier than Possessed's "death metal" demo. In fact at the time "death by metal" was recorded, the Possessed guys were doing projects like Blizzard that sounded more like AC/DC than death metal.

What about SEPULTURA's Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions???

Chuck said in his 90's interviews, Venom and Possessed did.

0:07 I legit thought they were gonna use the drum part in (making plans for Nigel) song lmao

I'd say sepultura morbid visions had some early death metal in it

In the early 80's, ('80-'85) we'd call it "Chainsaw Rock." That was the term myself and some of the other college radio station DJs used as we thought it described that music well. Friday &/or Saturday nights 10/11pm - 1/2am we played the hardest, fastest, loudest we had or could get from friends and other students. We even had a chainsaw without the chain, we'd crank it up and rev it up, on and on to start the show. COC (Corrosion of Conformity) was a local band then here in Raleigh, NC, but COC was considered more punk, however they did have a few songs that would've been considered Thrash or Death metal.

Dude that Exodus and Suicidal flyer brought back great memories! That tour was insane!

Amazing content! Keep it up!

I know Reign in Blood is the more popular Slayer album, but Hell Awaits had way more of an influence on death metal and extreme metal in general. That album was darker and more evil than RIB, if that's possible. Also no one ever mentions Necrophagia's - Season of the Dead. Released a few months before Scream Bloody Gore

Last time i was this early, i still thought that Slipknot are death metal.

My first death metal album was Spiritual Healing. My buddy wasn't really into it and offered to trade it for my Haunting The Chapel. We did the tape swap and I was immediately hooked.

Kreator (Pleasure to Kill) ,Slayer (Hell Awaits) and Dark Angel (Darkness Decends) helped the blue print. Possessed and Death (Massacre) and Celtic Frost were the pioneers. Onslaught had a song called Death Metal, but it was more Thrash based. Kam Lee, Jeff Becera, Chuck Schuldner and Tom G. Warrior were the original vocalists of DM ( along with Mike Browning, Evil D and Lee Dorian (although he's more Hardcore).

I'm Irish.. And Celtic Frost is pronounced Keltic Frost. Great mini documentary \m/..

Always joke that if Tom Araya growled instead of yelled in Reign in Blood, its instantly death metal

I saw Possessed and Death at L'Amour in Brooklyn NY Dark Angel "Darkness Descends" tour as well Also Slayer Show no Mercy , Hell Awaits ,Reign in blood

My first Death album was Scream Bloody Gore. I got it from this company that had an ad in the back of Metal Edge that sold these boxes of new/upcoming albums for a bulk price. I guess you could say it was kind of an early 'loot box' for metalheads because they'd also throw stickers and patches in.

That was one of the most fun to watch episodes ever. And it seems all involved had a hell of a good time. Awesome stuff. I like really a lot of genres, but I think Death Metal is one of my favorite ones. RIP, Chuck.

Slayer opened gates for Death metal to be a Genre ... and then possessed entered through that gate ...

This is where I miss Dark Realm records and Wild Rags records, you could always find your local underground death metal artist's albums and demos there. Sometimes you would find something really good that would catch you by surprise.

“I know if you won’t listen to me, you’ll at least bow to papa Trev” always. RIP papa. Laughed until I cried.

Id say both Death and Possessed played an equally big role in it. The guys from both bands were good friends too and inspired eachother alot. Possessed laid down the framework, and Death followed it up with what we understand as the typical death metal sound today.

Paul Speckmann (Master/Death Strike/War Cry): "We started out playing this doom, Sabbathy kind of stuff, and around that time I discovered a 7” single from Venom-“Live like an Angel, Die like a Devil” and “In League with Satan” on the back of it. That changed my life. Bill Schmidt was fired from War Cry and he spoke to me about doing something heavier. I showed him the single and it changed his life as well. At the time, we started listening to Motorhead, more Sabbath, Slayer was around, but Venom was the band that spurned me to play more aggressive music.”

I'm definitely going to have to go back and check out more from Death Angel I always hear such good things about them but from what I remembered they didn't impress me that much but sometimes you gotta relisten to an album a few times to really get a definitive opinion on it but I hear Soo many people talk about how great they are especially being as young as they were and supposedly Kirk Hammett produced their debut album

Slayer would tell you “Venom” started death metal in 1978.

It was obviously Fitzgerald McDeath, the great floridian chemist who died in 2001 of heavy metal poisoning...

I’d say that load by Metallica inspired death metal artists I mean just listen to mama said that’s pure death metal right there

This is like asking at what exact point does orange turn to red. You can ask 10 people and get 10 different answers

I have always considered the band Possessed to be the godfathers of death metal. The band Death is the first true death metal band.

Tom Warrior (Hellhammer/Celtic Frost/Triptykon): “Well, first and foremost, when we started we were simply a Venom clone. In 1981 when I first heard Venom there was no other music on the planet like this. The only band that approached the extremity of Venom was the punk band Discharge. Me and my best friend at the time wanted to form a band and hearing these bands proved to us that what we had in our mind was actually feasible. It encouraged us to actually form a band though we were completely inexperienced. We had just picked up our instruments. And because we were so inexperienced initially we weren’t good enough to emulate our own ideas so we tried to copy Venom and that included, of course, the lyrical content, which would explain why the early Hellhammer material is so extreme, so Satanic.” "The song titles, the riffs, down to our stage names - everything was copied from Venom. We thought Venom was the heaviest band, and we wanted to be heavier. Everybody thought we were a new heavy band, but in reality we were just a miserable photocopy." “To this day, I regularly listen to [Venom's] "Welcome to Hell", and it has never lost its utterly unique aura, extremity, and aggression for me. It transports me instantly to the feelings and images of when me and [former Hellhammer bassist/vocalist] Steve Warrior used to worship this album on a daily basis.”

As a Brazilian I would vote for INRI by Sarcofago as the First genre defining death metal album. Sadly at the time there was no internet so that others could enjoy overseas.

At 6:20 does anyone know what secret he's talking about? Was there a pedal that mimics that sound? Asking for a friend.

Sepultura Arise album when I first heard it in 1991.I went from slayer,Over Kill to Sepultura was a darker vocal and it kicked ass

"How can you listen to that SCREAMO music???" 🤢🤮 I have heard this TOO many times...

VENOM started the ball rolling, they were so fucking insane when they arrived on the scene, they opened Metal up to a whole knew direction. Early Maiden and Motörhead, mixed punk and Metal, created that wave, and while they were taking off, then Venom came out of nowhere, it was so brutal to a then 16 year old, opened my mind, early Kreator, Possessed, and Slayer, then pushed faster and more extreme. What a time to be alive!

Celtic frost is an amazing band. I love their Mexican radio cover. Their entire content is awesome.

there's another song from other thrash band with title "Death Metal" such as Onslaught from the album Power From Hell (1985) and Vulcano from the album Bloody Vengeance (1986) but Vulcano was really extreme and brutal that time

Venom - Black Metal really should be a parts of this conversations

Waldorf: _Who Really Invented Death Metal?_ Statler: _Who cares!?_ Both: _OHOHOHOHOHO!_

My Vote is for Possessed! MY LIFE CHANGED in 1986 (or so, still a bit foggy) when I saw my first death metal show - Possessed in a small 250 person bar in Colorado Springs, CO. Larry Leland turned his guitar neck down to me and cut my forehead with his guitar string and I had blood streaming down my face (really, probably trickling, but) I was turned! It is a perfect memory of that moment when I committed my life to the genre, the culture, and the purity of death metal. I am 53 now and still go to as many shows as I possibly can. That moment made me, no FORGED me into the metalhead I am today! OH, FATHER, OH SATAN, OH SUN!

No one mentions sepultura morbid visions that was true death metal album released a month after reign in blood but their ep Bestival devastation was 85'

Why is Akerfeldt always looking so sweaty? Put a fan on the man lmao save him.

Interviewer: "Chuck, a lot of people credit you with starting the death metal scene, the death metal genera. What do you think when they say that?" Chuck Schuldiner: "Well, it’s definitely flattering, but I really can’t consider myself to have started it. In my opinion Venom were the first - to have the brutal vocal style, tuning low their instruments, that initial brutal aggression. But I think that maybe I’ve kept it going to what death metal is today, as a lot of those older bands are no longer going, like Venom; and I guess I picked up where they left off, and I’m still in there luckily.”

Honestly, Scott Burns came along way after death metal was "invented," but he deserves some credit in making it what it became, for sure.

Death/Mantas Emotional demo came out in very early 1984. If we are talking demos. That's it. They formed in 1983. Possessed always sounded like thrash to me

Damn, Mike Akerfeldt is sweating like crazy

Why didn't they mention about Hell Awaits? That was huge impact on death metal!

I second Matt Pike (one of the greatest metal guitarists ever in his own right) on Celtic Frost being pivotal. The tone is much sludgier than most thrash, and has a chaotic unpredictability that unimaginative people would call amateur but is totally unique. Also, his vocals went to a greater extreme

There were a lot of thrash bands who constantly pushed the boundaries and set the foundation for extreme metal (especially death and black): you got your Sepultura’s “Morbid Visions”, Sodom’s “In The Sign of Evil” and Kreator’s “Endless Pain” are definitely black metal inspirations, whereas “Pleasure to Kill” and Slayer’s “Hell Awaits” gave that gritty death metal sound life. You also have your more underground material like Sarcofago’s “INRI”, Morbid Saint’s “Spectrum of Death”, Protector’s “Golum” has that brutal thrash feel that they took a step further in “Urm the Mad”, obviously Celtic Frost and Bathory who you could say were extreme thrash with their first records (“Bathory” is pretty much thrash, black and a little death all in one amazing mix, while “Morbid Tales” is pretty much blackened thrash). To me thrash, death and black are the three metal genres with the most ties, and back in the 80’s the three helped each other rise all over the world. Sometimes I think about how, since thrash is my favourite, it’s always been easy to me to listen to death/black bands without having to “adapt” to the sound, like with other subgenres.

Nercrophagia - Season of the Dead anyone?

Posessed’s debut was released two years earlier, thus it was first.

For me; "Symbolic by DEATH" is the first Death Metal genre album but the road goes to that perfect bordered frame, there were a lot of bystanders walked a little bit like VENOM, At The Gates, etc. But the definition is the "Symbolic" album. (I'm old enough and i'm not gonna go technicals under a YT video)

A buddy of mine step dad was death tour bus driver on one of their tours and my buddy got to go with them for a little while he said there were some pretty cool dudes some of the nicest people you'll ever meet even wind up giving my buddy and his stepdad there dog to take care of

More important question: Why was viking metal invented?

Onslaught's first album Power From Hell has a song titled Death Metal from 1985.

how about Hell Awaits? I notice a lot of death metal elements in that record, and that was before Reign in Blood

Sorry , anyone that thinks Venom didn't start Black metal is dead wrong ......