Thank you JT for having Gareth on. Great to hear from someone - like yourself who fought hard for your rights , only for the TQ cult to hijack it. I am a heterosexual married man, but have had good colleagues & friends who are gay. Everyone should be treated with dignity, but equally when it goes too far the other way it has to be called out. Thank you JT & Gareth 👍

What a fantastic interview, thank you gentlemen. This discussion made me feel less lonely in this world, and I’m heterosexual!!!

Even as a straight man. I find this still very interesting.

Oh my God, thank you for having him on. I was literally thinking about writing an email to youse suggesting you should have this man on fantastic.

Can you please kidnap Gareth for subsequent streams. 😂 Doctor Who thoughts would be amazing.

Been waiting for this 🎉

I loooooove your intro!

Good point about Terry Nation and his ilk of scriptwriters. Where is the inspiration for any aspiring script writer to go into an industry so controlled by 'show runners' who are unwilling to challenge current narratives? It'd be like going to work with the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. If you let slip that you've got a mind and opinions of your own you'd be out of work and not called for more work - as is demonstrably true. There is no conspiracy theory handwaving that can deny that diversity of opinion has died a death in the media.

A fabulous and fascinating conversation. Many thanks, JT and Gareth.

As a straight, white, middle-aged man, I appreciate my opinion doesn't matter, but I found this discussion fascinating.

Many thanks JT and Gareth. I found this discussion informative and educational . As a somewhat clueless straight old guy this was a welcome learning experience. It certainly hits home JT's frustration of what seems to be going on at the moment. I recently commented that "diversity" has become politicised and weaponised. Gareth explained it so much better than I ever could. I hope many people see this video and share it.

Wonderful interview, he has already been interviewed by the Free Speech Union of which I am a member. Gareth is a great human being.

Brilliant episode thank you JT & team & Gareth ❤

Bugger I missed this I am watching it now grrr

Fantastic stuff ! Thanks JT and Gareth. Totally buying the book😊

Gareth Roberts should be showrunner of DrWho not RTD. Married straight man, will read this book. Great interview JT!

Great guest, great interview!

Im Bi, but I met quite a few gay guys in the early 00s who said you're either gay or straight, which surprised me as I thought they'd be more accepting.

That was an interesting listen.

I will definitely watch it tomorrow 🙂. Thanks 🙏🏻.

Gareth Roberts rules ❤️

Informative and witty interview. Thanks JT and Gareth.

Thanks JT (just got yourself a sub), and thanks Gareth (just got yourself a sale). Sanity will prevail! ✊

Hooray! 🎉🎉🎉

This is a brilliant. Gareth is an engaging interviewee and this is a massively important subject to broach. As a SWM, others may think that I have no skin in the game but women’s and gay rights being attacked affects EVERYONE. Thank you for this!

So excited to watch this!

Great interview JT. I got the audiobook (he’s a lovely reading voice) and the interview is a nice supplement…thought you covered a lot of ground in relation to its inspiration..and a lot of colour about GR’s experience. I really liked his remarks about the “Gay Community” / “Gay Population” - reminded me of one Terry Pratchett’s characters who thought the use of the word ‘community’ seemed always to imply his exclusion from it. Thanks!

Oh bugger ! I meant to drop in earlier but my ipad didn’t give me an alert 🤬. Will watch now. Been looking forward to this.

Received my copy of the book yesterday and even though I'm straight ,it's a really interesting read and can be very funny too. I really recommend no matter where you stand,give it a read

WOW thank you for this, its so reassuring to hear that others see all of this for what it is and its not just me and my circle of friends & family... i have just ordered Gareths book and WILL be sharing this video to everyone I can.

I’m a straight male, and read this book last week. Been a fan of Gareth Roberts’ since the early 90s and The Highest Science NA novel. He’s magnificent and a true hero in the science fiction world. As others on here have Gareth should be show runner for Doctor Who. This video has been a very informative view of the LGB world from and will be worth repeated viewing in years to come as I hope this madness is now turning a corner. Always had time for Gareth, he speak so much sense. Thank you for this video.

As a new subscriber to the channel (arrived here today 😊), I fell in love with your content immediately. This is my 2nd vid… and 20 mins into your interview with Gareth, I’m in tears. As a gay man of a similar age to you both, I had started to think I was alone about certain issues… 20 minutes was all it took me to place an order for Gareth’s book. Thank you to you both for being fearless to discuss something that is so desperately needed to be discussed. And yes, I remember those evenings in the New Union too 😂 💕

Gareth makes a comment near the start about how fandom has always been massively 'diverse'. And why shouldn't it be? One thing I discovered (eventually) is that your sexuality doesn't actually make you interesting. Being interesting makes you interesting. So you dip your toes into fandom and start talking to a random you just met and next thing you are doing is explaining why Anderson was never Dredd's rookie but it doesn't matter in the movie because they get so much else completely right before explaining in extended details how Fallout New Vegas isn't as good as people claim but has the greatest DLC in the franchise. Being interesting makes you interesting. Unless you are trying to cast for a porn shoot or pull a one night stand your sexual preference isn't really that important. This is why I can't see why LQWERTY can ever consider themselves an actual community. All they have in common is they are 'Not Straight' and once you get past that many actually hate the other letters. Got the book on order. Hasn't dropped in Australia yet.

Mr Menno is hilarious! Go and have a listen to "In the Ladies" and have a spare pair of dry undies at the ready! 😂

Gareth is a treasure

Cool 👍

Really interesting JT!

GO ON JT SON ME AUD MUKKA

Excellent interview JT and on a conversation that definitely needed to be had. Go Gareth!

Clap for Gareth Roberts.

Great interview Gareth's spot on, I woked retail for years and worked with a lot of gay men get we would often see cross dressing, older, men come into our shop and they were always hetrosexual.

Hi JT, what a great interview. As a straight man myself, it is so refreshing to see two genuine people - either of which I would be honoured to call a friend - and who have a dog in the fight, talk common sense in an open forum. I don’t believe (thankfully) that many people these days have any issues with homosexuality or trans issues, but I do believe most people have an issue with the woke cult, and particularly pushing the latter as the norm! You are both inspirations, thank you.❤

Fantastic interview, JT. The best I've seen with Gareth about this subject yet. You did a superb job.

A fantastic interview JT, It is almost as if you and Gareth can read my mind about the issues discussed. It is reassuring that others share the same values and beliefs as oneself. No ranting, screaming and shouting but a civil, calm chat about serious issues, a rare thing to see, so credit to you and Gareath.

I am half way through but one question do you think today's agenda is setting back LGB rights perseptions 10 30 years?

1% trying to normalise their behaviour while also trying to undermine and demonise the behaviour of the 99%

I have never liked the phrase "gay community" -- there are lots of differences in us that the term obscures

A great chat JT and Gareth, thanks.

What a refreshing change to listen to an intelligent conversation as opposed to sanctimonious preaching by self-identifying victims. I hope David Tennant watches this. Gareth was a brilliant writer of great DW. Is was sad to lose his talents by the appalling way he was patronised and basically booted out.

A really interesting conversation JT ,and thanks to Gareth for taking the time to appear.

Fellas thanks a lot for this.

Just catching up with this. Gareth is such an interesting and engaging person and this is a very watchable interview, JT! What happened to Gareth is really deplorable. I am encouraging as many of my friends and fellow Who fans to watch this interview. I also think some of those who so readily cancelled Gareth or went along with it, should watch this. Give the guy a fair hearing instead of blindly following the sheep-like cancel culture brigade!! Far too many critics and detractors of perfectly reasonable TV, films and books seek to cancel without really, properly taking time to examine and understand the other side of the coin. Sadly we are seeing a generation of (mainly) youngsters, who cannot disseminate culture correctly. View everything literally without nuance and through a very limited social and political prism. They refuse to allow more than one side of a story to be examined much less understood. I fear for the future of those trying to inspire and entertain us. Humourless activists with tunnel vision, who can only see a world that satisfies their own selfish views are systematically ruining it for those of us who can see the world in 3D snd enjoy differences of ideas and opinions. Thanks JT amd Gareth Roberts! Rob.

I like how two old guys act like they know what the young kids want today

Great interview.

I was thinking im crazy for only supporting LGB. Form one straight guy thank you

AMEN. New showrunner.😃

While I strongly believe in freedom of speech and all opinions are valid. I think the last decade or so has seen far too many similar and not entirely sane views being given far too much credence and publicity. A vocal minority has steered the conversation of the majority for too long and damagingly so. I agree with Gareth that if Labour can achieve a large majority, they won't have to listen to the activists quite so much - if at all for that matter. I have daily conversations with my teenage nephew and nieces (two of whom are old enough to vote for the first time) about the election and although they, almost inevitability, subscribe to some of the ideology discussed, they are realistic enough to see the nuanced manifesto Labour is putting forward. They seem to recognise Labour is more centrist in poltical stance, than the traditional left wing image it usually evokes. A lot of first-time voters are approaching the Election with the conviction that Labour is still VERY left wing and very supportive of the issues that activists would have you believe are really "vital". In truth, Labour have repositioned to appeal more to the neo liberal/radical wing of the Tory faithful, in much the same way Tony Blair did in 1997. Whether it is simply a ploy to seem "electable" (as it was then, albeit a hugely successful one) or whether they genuinely will govern with a more authoritarian approach, remains to be seen. I believe a great many youngsters may find themselves disappointed by the Labour Government but equally the country is crying out for change and to truly deliver that, the new Government needs as broad an appeal as possible. In short, and to use a Who analogy, Steven Moffat recognised (and is on record as saying as much)- Doctor Who needs to appeal to readers of the Daily Mail, just as much as those of The Guardian and The Mirror, in order to have a truly broad, "mainstream BBC1" success. RTD seems convinced it should plough a very niche furrow, appealing to youngsters under 30, who are likely to already be activists or the potential activists of tomorrow. This is very different from RTD's feel for his audience in 2005. He was genuinely nervous the show would be a success and approached it with a very broad brush to gather as many viewers as possible. If only he would realise that is exactly what the show needs once more.

I watched all of this and found it very interesting. I think Gareth is a very talented man and my past experiences with him were always very positive. However, I just don’t understand where either of you are coming from. Sure, you fundamentally disagree with it all, but what’s the problem? Of course, this is something relatively new and society needs to work out the details of how to make it work. That’s what happens when society changes. But there’s a trans person living down the road from me, and it’s not a problem. I just worked with a trans person on something, and it wasn’t a problem. There’s a trans woman in the WI, and it’s not a problem. A younger relative goes to school with a trans girl, and it’s not a problem. I sometimes mess up the new pronouns of a person I know, and it’s not a problem. The idea that young people are somehow deluded and it’s a phase etc is exactly what people have said to people who aren’t straight for years. Over-50s have always said “I don’t understand you young people”, that’s part of getting older. But so what? Why does that bother you so much? And when it comes down to being gay or lesbian etc, who is stopping you living your life and wanting to be identified as homosexual? It’s like when some straight people complained about gay marriage because it would somehow ruin their own marriage. It doesn’t impact on you at all. To be blunt, it’s not like you’re off down the nightclub and being hit on my someone trans. Even if that did happen, a polite “you’re not my type, sorry” isn’t wrong to say. You don’t have to be attracted to anyone you don’t want to be, let alone go any further. What does impact on all of us is this obsession with the idea that someone “leave the kids alone” (to quote you from the Tennant video). The opposition to LGBTQ+ materials in schools is being fuelled by some gay men and people like Graham Linehan accusing us of being “groomers”. Yet when one talks to kids, they know all sorts of things we never knew at their age. They’re not phased by what they learn, it doesn’t change them in the same way endless straight couples in movies clearly had no impact on you. Let’s not try and pretend that any of this bigotry from people who have always been bigoted against LGB people is somehow simply because a trans person has been on TV. If it is, then their alleged allyship was pretty shallow if they’re now ditching you the minute they found a vaguely valid reason to do so. I’m not trying to be rude here, but I just don’t get it. I’m not a Christian but I’m not fussed by people who are, so why is this such a big deal? I listened to all 73 mins of this, and I’m still none the wiser other than you simply don’t agree with it all and you don’t like some of the people who campaign for it. I don’t agree with a lot of things in life, I don’t like the way some people on “your side” speak about trans people and openly attack young people on Twitter to make themselves look funny or better, but I don’t go on podcasts telling people they’re deluded and that they’re fundamentally wrong and one day they’ll wake up realising that “they’ve been taken for a mug”. I respect the fact that both of you have very different ways of seeing this than I do, that’s up to you, but I don’t understand where the anger and resentment is coming from. Thanks.

Thank you. At last some sane people talking about a subject that has spiralled into complete sh*t show insanity.🙂