The thing about Avenger’s movies is that we usually know who the Avengers are

Not sure how everyone feels about it, but I'd love to see Ultron return. He could've kept a drone elsewhere while he enacted Sokovia just in case he somehow failed in his plan

I love the idea of an evil Avengers and an “ideal world” for our heroes.

Even if Kang isn't going to be the next big bad, the build up shouldn't just be dropped. Maybe have the replacement wipe out every Kang variant in the multiverse to suprise the audience and also show the power of the villain

I fear that just shoehorning Doom in there mid-way is a disservice to Doom. He deserves to be the bad guy in a story where he is properly set up from the start not take Kang's leftovers.

Here’s an idea. Kang is going to be recast. But this time each time kang appears in a movie or show it will be played by different actors. It’s the multiverse and it felt strange we have only seen majors kang. Plus it would be interesting how the actor will portrait their version of kang.

Making the most popular old hero into a villain that is defeated by all the not-so-popular new guys is a hard needle to thread. It could be great, but the risk of it backfiring and the audience siding with the villain is high.

Legit feel like this is your best suggestion video yet Nando. I got chills as that final suggestion hit. I hope above hope that this somehow finds its way to the right people

I still think recasting Kang is the best idea, but I like the idea of Wanda being used as the power source for another villain and doing a version of House of M. Perhaps Loki finds that he can't delete Kang from that timeline like others because Wanda's magic counters his own, so he needs Mobius to save her, and he needs a team to do it.

It would maybe even make the sacrifice of 616 Tony stronger, cause it shows what he could've been and how much character development he needed to get to that sacrifice

Having Iron Man be the real villain of the Mutiverse Saga would be the perfect ending and be a great set up for the reboot. As a huge MCU Kang fan, your idea is better.

‪Personally, I feel they shouldn’t have Secret Wars just yet. Make it some kind of different event film and save Secret Wars for later on when Doom and the F4 are properly built up. ‬ Avengers 5 could be a take on Siege. The Thunderbolts movie is rumored to involve that team going undercover in Wakanda and apparently the statue of Tiamut is involved. This could upset Wakanda and potentially Talokan also. In Avengers 5, Thunderbolt Ross would then go after New Asgard and Thor and the other new heroes could help defend it from them, along with Zeus and Hercules who are after Thor but want to prove the might of the gods to Earth. Maybe a resurrected Jane Foster could filter into things. Hercules would turn over a new leaf and join the Avengers by the end. And in a post-credits scene, we’d discover that the signal sent to the Ten Rings in Shang-Chi and Kamala’s bangle came from the Celestials to announce their return to Earth. Avengers 6 could involve the judgement of Earth by Arishem for their incursions and messing with time. Earth’s heroes all come together to defeat him and maybe come in conflict with the Eternals. And then once Arishem believes that Earth is worthy, he would perhaps seed the Earth with a new X-gene (as he did in the past), resulting in more mutants popping up. And so people’s fear of mutants would come from being associated with the Celestials.

You missed the obvious one. Renslayer. She was already Kang's right hand in HWR's multiversal war, and she certainly has grudge.

I really think they should have saved the multiverse stuff until the very end. once all of reality is on the line, you can't really go up from that.

"Wanda can't come back she died when the buil-" NO BODY, NO COPRSE. If you don't see their dead body lying there, they didn't die. And even when you do, sometimes it's actually a Skrull.

Honestly, I think they need to recast kang (I’d hope for Denzel Washington) and finish strong with that character. If you do a character like Doom you NEED years of buildup for that to be an effective moment to the general audience. A little bit of everything (a dope KZfaqr) made a video bringing up all the loose plot threads still connected to Kang and frankly if people complain about the new MCU feeling disjointed now then if marvel gets rid of kang it will be even more confusing to the general audience

I love the idea of tony being the big bad, sticks to his character trait of him doing so much protection and safety protocols it becomes authoritarian. Also his universe would still see him as a hero because to them this alternate reality Wanda came in and killed there hero’s leaving there teammates wanting some kinda vengeance or security on the matter.

I like the idea of Superior Iron Man, maybe with Tom Cruise. But what about Iron Lad? Isn’t he also a Kang variant AND a descendant of Reed Richards? Maybe even give a Iron Man variant played by RDJ a cameo at the very end to help defeat Iron Lad? That way all the time spent on Kang wasn't meaningless.

Writing where Loki is used as a battery to make battleworld, and he reaches across the multiverse for thor’s help and accidentally forming the thor corps is pretty sweet.

One replacement that wouldn’t feel so out of place/underdeveloped is to do a Maestro Hulk story - it’s already got a tinge of the multiverse and we already have a well-developed hulk that would give it emotional depth. Just have maestro wipe out all the Kang variants and then go full out dystopia.

The next avengers movie didn’t have to be bigger than endgame and infinity war. It just had to establish the next team against a threat like namor, the Greek gods, skrulls etc. it just feels like they were concentrated on making everything rapid instead of spreading it out

Ultron, Annihlus, and now Superior Iron Man are my picks. Nando you sold me man. It really fits where we are and where we are going

While I certainly agree that Tony Stark "makes the most sense" and I even quite like the concept, I think it also raises a really big question: are you willing to dedicate Secret Wars, which if based on the 2015 story (like it should be) is a massive character study about it's main antagonist, to a character that we just buried and won't have a future after the fact? That's one of the biggest reasons I like the idea of Doom doing Secret Wars. Obviously they still need to delay the movie, but I think they could do a single Doom movie to bridge the gap, and then in Secret Wars he is the main subject of an intense character study that ends with him losing it all and the reality reverting back to the way it should be. I think it would be a bit clunky to dedicate a whole movie with Stark as the subject when he's arguably been the main character of the entire thing up to this point and we've just killed him in the last Avengers movie. But all in all I think the real answer is it should be Doom and they should delay it indefinitely. Don't release it until 2030 or something. In the meantime do 1 or 2 Avengers movies with our new Avengers team just fighting some bad guys, maybe Ultron comes back or something, and just bring things back to basics. I think doing a Tony Stark led Secret Wars movie would be the death toll of the whole thing. A brash admittance that we can't do it without the nostalgia and characters that people already know they like.

I like the idea of keeping Kang, but doing it where different variants from different points in Kang’s timeline are present. So you can easily do immortus with a different actor since there’s a ton of makeup used, but then you could do a teenage kang and an elder kang played by someone like Keith David or even Denzel if he’s interested so you wouldn’t have to necessarily “recast”. Also some of the best kang storylines dive into older Kangs interacting with his younger selves

I'd like to see Hickman's Dr. Strange storyline with those weird mages that speak in hieroglyphics as the main bads leading up to Secret Wars suggesting it's Strange that is going to create battleworld, but instead we find out Strange has already died, and it was Clea trying to resurrect him, and in lieu of that, at the very least save his world he was so dead set on protecting. I still think it should be Kang, even if others aren't buying into a Kang led battleworld, I have and was actually looking forward to it, but if it's not Kang, might as well go with Clea.

Okay I love the idea of Wanda being the molecule man stand in now that you mention it

Imagine an after credits scene of Dr. Doom standing on a mountain all Kang's variants that he killed.

I would want the new antagonist either to be Reed Richards, Stephen Strange, Loki, Tony Stark or, ideally, Ian McKellen's Magneto.

In terms of Tony, if they do that it should only be done with Downey, since its not the character people love, its the actor who plays that character they love, so if they are doing something related to tony, steve and natasha, it should be done by downey, Evans and scarlett johansson

A team of villains would be a cool change of pace. That never occurred to me. It would be nice to have the heroes battle several developed characters rather than an army of minions + their 1 leader.

"Tony Stark, the man who's never wrong" could be a great tagline either that or "Tony Stark, the man who thinks he's never wrong"

Tony is my favourite option. It keeps the main plot of secret wars being the narcissist with a saviour complex getting control of reality thinking it's perfect but it all falls apart but without wasting Doom

I like the fact that Spiderman would have to show he overcame the shadow of Iron Man and the guilt Doctor Strange would have with seeing an Iron Man

I like ScreenCrush’s take on how Galactus could be a Universe-eater. kangaroo was keeping him inert by pruning them, and now he’s free…

I don't like changing plans mid-way. Keep Kang, recast Majors. Then start from the start with whoever is that next bad guy.

I understand your conclusion, but I just know that a lot of people would be really annoyed by it. We may understand the characters but it probably won't sit well with everyone to suddenly be introduced to evil versions of the characters that started the universe and won't have been seen for 7-8 years at that point. Different actors could help but that may very well be confusing in its own right.

Honestly, the best thing is to recast Kang by aging him up

I think a Wanda story that involves Chthon would work better. Her being completely possessed by him and her old teammates, her children with the young avengers and white vision trying to bring her back but this time it is impossible. Chthon successfully escapes his dimension and the escape creates a large chaos magic surge that creates an incursion ripping open a jumppoint hole like in the marvels but on a much bigger scale, causing the two universes to collide. A fight would ensue in secret wars with the avengers trying to stop doom, a the alternate universes doom (introduced sitting on a throne of kang skulls) trying to steal his power who ultimately succeeds with the avengers weakening Chthon, then a big fight ensues ultimately ending with scarlet witch absorbing the entirety of chaos magic, like in the darkhold series. This was just a thought though, I think the possessed Scarlet Witch is to similar to MOM and Iron Man would work way better, I just love Scarlet Witch

Was not prepared to love this pitch as much as I do. Well done! I wrote up a pitch for Loki to be the Secret Wars villain a couple years back on Reddit, but his second season pretty much resolved all that, and it would feel like a regression of the character now. I did think you were about to say Maestro when you were talking about evil alternate characters. Of course, Maestro is somewhat implicit as a secondary villain here -- as is Ultron, and I'd love to see more Ultron!

I would love a Superior Iron Man story, and an Avengers Stark Dynasty movie

Before this video, I was firmly in the camp of just get rid of Secret Wars. But the alternate Tony Stark as bad guy... this deals with so many issues. The MCU gets to use OG Avengers, but in a way that makes the audience consider their characters more deeply. But there's a built-in way to increase the stature of the new characters.

If they do the maker, I want miles teller to play him since he did play a younger version of reed richards in the 2015 movie and it could be a cool redemption arc for being involved with that disaster of a film

Loved how you spun Dark Avengers and House of M into a realistic idea... that's pretty dang cool!

Jonathan Majors aside, they really dropped the ball with Kang the Conquerer. I love the character, and the concept of having different versions of one character is interesting. But rather than all of them being variants. It would have been better if they were the same Kang at different points of his timeline.

Just recast Kang. It's really that simple.

I would say if we're going to do the last option and bring back old characters as evil versions, I'm actually kind of iffy on bringing new actors cuz I feel like it wouldn't have the same impact. I understand it probably cost a lot, but I think we should try to get as many original actors back as possible. Besides, we know that a lot of them can play villains pretty well. We've all seen Oppenheimer. We've all seen Knives Out, etc. they can be baddies. I wouldn't recommend doing it for more than one movie but if we're going to have that impact on our legacy heroes (and bring back the fans) go with the OGs if you can.

I find it wild that they pitched doing the kang dynasty, a big story in its own right, literally right alongside fucjing secret wars. These are two big stories that DON'T need to be shoestringed together.

I like the idea of the Maker though my idea for casting as the Maker is bringing back Miles Teller and he’s the same Reed from Fan4stic movie and playing off the fact that universe was a failure itself, Fan4stic itself was based on Ultimate Fantastic Four as well but maybe this is too convoluted

For bonus points: Cast the guy from Rogers: The Musical as Iron Man for Secret Wars.

Marvel hire this man! On second thought maybe don’t because then we wouldn’t get awesome videos like these. Great stuff nando!

i know whatever we end up getting is not gonna be as cool as the options you laid out, but i'm enjoying living in this current moment, full of potential, before anything gets announced or leaked, and long before the movies come out this feeling of hope of all the things it COULD be is awesome, and i really enjoyed the options you listed. especially giving people like namor and mordo more to do, or your final option with stark.. that's an OG avengers return i can get behind. plus.. the whole, secret wars part 2 starting with everyone happily living in their perfect world, is a nice flip from endgame starting with doom and dread

Substitute villians who would need to be introduced and rushed to the front for secret wars could also include: Nightmare, Mephisto, Celestials (rough sell, but doable), High Evolutionary (kinda like where he landed, but usable still). Cabal could be multiversal and incorporate villains from other universe (Spiderman NWH already got the toes wet though): Apocalypse, Kang variant, dormammu, ultron, annihilus, (forgive spelling), most ghost rider villains. A lot of heavy hitters that exist elsewhere

I feel like Ashton Sanders would make a great Iron Lad/Kang! But I feel like it's such an underrated pick and everyone keeps saying John Boyega even when he doesnt want to😂

I could see a scene where Peter is imbued with multiversal powers to match Tony. In the end peter wins and right before he can go back to the normal multiverse Tony tries to lure Peter saying: Aunt May can live, MJ and Ned can remember him, Tony can live & Peter respond with something along the line of “Tony gave his life to save the world what kind of apprentice would I be if I couldn’t do the same”.

i really wanted to see scarlet witch as the next thanos level villain. she’s been set up as a villain, then a hero, and then it would have been cool to see her as a larger more sympathetic villain for an avengers team up.

Please please please Nando, can you make a secret wars pitch? It would be an epic 2 part video that would give you freedom to make up whatever you want to happen in the MCU. It would be awesome

Ironman would be a great bbeg, but if youre going to be taking from that universe you have to throw Ian McKellen's Magneto into the mix. Having Tony, Ultron and Magneto all on the same side would truly be a Thanos level threat.

I think that a fun idea that the world never do that goes with your finial idea is that the main villain could be Philip J Coulson in the way that he was used when he created the squadron supreme.

I don’t think Strange will be a villain, I think he will end up in a similar boat to He Who Remains and Loki where he will become the new version of He Who Remains and perform surgery on the multiverse to fix it. Coming full circle with his character arc from the first movie where he doesn’t need to be a surgeon to save people. Granted he’s kinda already realized that he can save people by other means, it would be more so because Strange would want to more so than he felt he needed to.

I think RDJ coming back to be a villain would be a great move to both remedy the Kang situation and bring back excitement of fans that lost hope on Marvel

I like the idea of evil Avengers, it was one of the things liked most about the Arrowverse crossover "Crisis on Earth X." Supergirl meets a fascist version of herself and it highlights everything that makes the hero version so great.

I think a variant of a pre-existing hero would be great to weave and explain the multiverse further. Sinister strange breaking out if his prison or Tony Stark, Dr Strange as you’ve said.

Man I love this take too! Between the Authority, Young Avengers, and this I want Hollywood to hire you so bad! But! By sharing these ideas doesn’t it guarantee they won’t or can’t end up using them lest they get sued by you in the future?

Stark is an awesome idea. When you really sit and think about it, if marvel can make people think it’s doom in secret wars through shadows and camera tricks, it would make an epic reveal at the end of the movie.

I'd accept The Maker as a villain if only it's an aspect that will loom over our Reed as well. He has to live with the looming threat that he may be wrong wrong decision from causing another Secret War. Ofc this requires really strong characterization from OG Reed in two diff appearances, 3 if we didn't waste Reed in MoM. But it's... possible

I kind of hope they recast Kang. I just don't think there's enough time between Fantastic Four and Avengers 5 for Doom to settle in as the next Thanos. The multiversal saga is disjointed enough that they shouldn't throw it all away.

I think Doom would still be the best choice as the next big bad in the mcu. They could introduce him at the end of the fantastic four movie by making a Doombot assassinate the villain of the movie, mole man would work great imo. The idea would be that mole man would have been sent by Doom to take revenge on Reed,for causing him to lose a job somehow which resulted in Doom and his mother becoming extremely poor and eventually his mom dying,but at this point Doom is the leader of a Sokovia he rebuilt and he doesn’t want to incriminate himself and is busy leading his country, all of that could be revealed in the first real confrontation between the FF and Doom in a later movie. Mole man would get defeated by the FF after destroying a large portion of New York, establishing that he’s a big threat and right as they are arresting/interrogating him he gets shot in the back by a Doombot that flies away and we only see a glimpse of what he looks like but obviously know what it is. The FF movie would start with Reed working at SWORD as one of the main scientists, which is the job he got instead of the other candidate, that would’ve been his childhood friend Victor. I think that would both give Doom a personal connection to the FF and a larger connection to the world because he’s the ruler of Sokovia. A Doombot being shown in the final scene is also just the perfect way to hint at Doom. They could also hint at him in news reports and things like that in further projects. He’s already established to be powerful before we ever really see him because he had a strong villain working for him just like they did with thanos.

Ok that lil ad placement at the end top tier Segway I’m gettin ads in my KZfaq this is how it needs to be done also great stuff my guy continue the great work

I think The High Evolutionary has the potential to be a great Avengers-level threat. I mean, GotG pretty much established him as a major villain

Love the idea of Tony being the new big bad.

I keep giggling at every time the "how could they" section comes up and the title card appears, because in my head you just keeping saying it in a pearl clutching manner, like "how COULD they??" lol

I would 100% love this as the next big thing!

Wow these are all so creative, interesting, and unexpected! I can't wait for the AI to use absolutely none of this as it writes the next stage!

Doom needs to be in multiple f4 movies, a strange movie, and cameo in many other things, maybe even get his own series, before his finale movie

Tag line of the movie would be "Peace in our Time"

This is so crazy it could actually work. It makes for more inner conflict within the heroes as well

Miles Teller is the only Reed who I think could be The Maker.

I think having the Maker in Secret Wars would really work, because it would allow the big question for Reed in the next saga to be if he will become the Maker. That's a discussion fans are gonna have either way, and I think it'd be great for not only the general audience but also the characters themselves to be able to have it.

I just imagine MoM ending with a shot of the carnage of the iluminati and then seeing abd hearing a footstep of a white iron man suit, slowly going up over his suit and ending on the helmet. Then the helmet retracts and Tom cruise’s face appears behind it, his eyes burning with anger. An alternate version of natasha or Yelena appears behind him and shocked in horror asks: ‘who did this?’ Tony turns around and responds: ‘the Avengers, and they are gonna pay for it.’ End movie Then over the next few films we can get glimpses of 838 in postcredit scene before in The Marvels finally returning to 838 with Monica (because I can’t believe they didn’t do this) waking up in that universe thanks to an amputated Captain Rambeau who only just survived the statue falling on top of her. Same Mom shtick as in The Marvels bla bla bla but instead of beast walking in it’s the superior iron man accompanied by Justin Hammer and a full arsenal of torture devices. Beast follows and takes away Captain Rambeau. After the door closes Iron Man turns to Hammer: ‘She’s all yours War-Machine.’ Hammer nods and Tony leaves. He turns to Monica and says menacingly: ‘now you are going to tell me everything I need to know about earth-616, and more specifically everything about the avengers.’ End movie That’s how I see it happen

Nando, sometimes the right answer is the simplest answer all along. It "should" be DOOM. Secret Wars is half his story. Both incarnations. Would feel cheapened to not have him in it. And yes...they absolutely have enough time to flush him out. Those avenger movies aren't coming out tomorrow.

If they bring Stark back, its REALLY needs to be Tom Cruise.

Baron Mordo using a trapped Wanda to reconstruct the time stone and influence kang and ob. Outside influences mind wipe/ drugging, key lime pie. Mordo has a heavy hitting actor. Don’t waste him.

The Grandmaster should be the villain.

I LOVE this! but for it to really work... it had to be RDJ.

I still think that they need to take a step back and have the next Avengers film be smaller scale. Bring in the Masters of Evil, comprised of previous villains who are still alive. And then also do Chthon, since he was heavily teased in Doctor Strange

Am I the only one that didn’t see a problem with Kang losing to GIANT ANTS???? Those ants could’ve defeated Thanos and his army from Endgame easily lol. There were literally millions of 9 foot tall robot ants, if a normal ant was human sized, it could lift around 5,000-10,000 pounds, I don’t think anybody could stop that.

oh boy you're quick with this

Man you know your stuff. Great report

We need a new generation of Hulk, Thor(maybe), iron man, Captain America after Sevret Wars, we have an opportunity to see the ultimate marvel cinematic universe with the best avengers, f4, and X-men lineups and that shouldn’t be wasted

This is a PERFECT idea

A lot of these are really interesting, but they have to nail the protagonists first or the hero’s won’t matter. I’d love to see the story focus on strange and Peter the way IW and Endgame focused on Tony and Thor and Tony and cap. Maybe have a team led by Thor with some of the older heroes try first and get demolished ending with the death of Thor or hulk or both. And in the second you would see the newer heroes led by a spider-man who can fill both roles as someone who’s been in the previous movies but canonically isn’t very well known by the rest of the mcu.

i havent finished the vid yet just wanted to say that dr strange ‘holds the knife’ line was gd i liked that a lot

Hey Nando, just wanted to comment that since the casting Supergirl vid, I went and read Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow and I thought it was incredible! Thanks for the recommendation, mate

I think you’re forgetting the obvious villain that they’ve very obviously been leading up to Mephisto

The Superior Avengers could call themselves 'The Cabal' (like the Avengers were the Illuminati in Doc Strange: MoM) and casting the 'runner up' actors as the original six would be as phenomenal as Spiderman: NWH. This would fix everything and not feel cheap. NO DOOM!

That segue though, 🔥🔥🔥

Love the idea of evil Tony as the villain

wow your idea seems amazing and i’d love to see it

Da king is back baby he neva miss

I just want the Fantastic Four cast. There's less than two weeks before the year is over. How much longer do we need to wait?!