I think anyone who has knowledge with the LA crack epidemic of the 1990s will understand Sweet. Yeah, he's a dangerous criminal and not a guy that you would actually want to meet, but you get the impression that he cares for his community in his own way. Everything he does he does for his brothers. He's actually a lot like Don Vito Corleone in a way. He too didn't want drugs on his streets and that attitude ended up costing him.

Sweet was absolute 100% right about drugs being bad for the gang, for many people drugs is really tempting and addictive. If you don't take out street dealers you will find your homies sitting in front of houses high af and you won't be able to recruit them Aside from that your absolutely right, he did practically nothing for 'the good of the hood' instead CJ has to do his job while his older brother the supposed leader is almost constantly bitchin and complaining to CJ.

I think you misunderstood sweet. Any drugs in Los Santos brings down the quality of life for the poor community which makes up families soldiers.

Sweet was unwilling to take any action to fix things. For five years he just let things fall apart, and then when CJ came back to town after their mom was killed, all he did was blame CJ. Did Sweet try to re-arm the gang’s arsenal after the police raid confiscated everything? No, that was CJ! He let CJ do all the grunt work in taking over territory. Sweet also disrespected Caesar despite the fact that it took Caesar to show CJ that Smoke and Ryder were traitors. Sweet led his soldiers into battle and got them killed. After getting out of prison, he tries to start using drugs, after all that static he gave CJ about “forsaking his roots in the hood”. Then he tried to shut CJ out of helping lockdown the neighborhood during the riots. He shouldn’t be the leader in that gang.

I guess you could say that Sweet shitting on CJ for not putting in any work for the hood is him trying to cover up his own hypocrisy for not taken responsibility for his own actions to better the hood.

I personally never liked Sweet, because he always kept on complaiang that CJ never does anything for the hood, while he suffered the most for the hood, while Sweet was sitting at home watching the shopping channel. I would not call him a leader, if anybody, then CJ would deserve to be the leader.

A video on Sweet's nature would be appreciable. It's my point of view 👇 Sweet accused Carl responsible for Brian's death. What do you expect from a gang shootout ? There is a very high chance of death so why Carl was completely responsible for his death ?? Sweet forces to everybody to follow his orders whether one likes or not. A clear example is Kendl's response in mission Ceaser Vialpando. His conservative mindset : Born and Die in the same hood. He couldn't see Carl and Kendl making for themselves in San Fierro and Las Venturas. We can notice this when he gets released from prison. Sweet ; highly ungrateful man. He denied all Carl's efforts which he made to get him out.

Your analysis on gang territory distribution is really inspiring, never thought of that before; while Ballas and Vagos subdivisions stick close to each other, GSF subdivisions are really far apart from each other, which is a big disadvantage to a street gang. And as for the answer to the title, I think Hugo One’s video: “Sweet from San Andreas is garbage” resonates with this video pretty well lol

What really killed GSF; CJ's voice actor bashing Rockstar for how they pay & treat people, so they fucked him off in all ways in game.

It still bugs me that the Ballas control Grove Street in GTA 5...

And real life context: This was Los Angeles during the crack epidemic. In real life crack was destroying Black communities in Los Angeles, so in the fictional location Los Santos Sweet doesn’t want to continue destroying his community or any community by slanging yay

I feel the lost of Brian, Beverly's death and CJ running away really broke Sweet, even though he acts all tough throughout the game, he probably doesn't want to keep going anymore, dedicating all of his remaining will to the gang, but CJ was able to give him a reason to fight once more, which is represented the best in the Beat Up in B Dup mission, where CJ quite literally saves him from giving in to the very thing he hated the most. Sweet would have been dead as hell if CJ didn't come back.

Well, Sweet was right about the drugs but it didn't change the fact that his leadership was poor. Looking back, it makes a lot of sense on why he kept giving CJ a hard time so much. Sweet let the crew fall apart by not having no backup plan, when it came to the drugs and he was just waiting for a miracle to happen. That's when CJ came in. Sweet gave CJ a hard time about running away and used his guilt into cleaning up the hood and fixing things on his behalf. CJ was unsure whether he wanted to stay in Los Santos or not but his loyalty was to Sweet and the only way to win his respect was rejoining the GS.

I agree with the thing Sweet was responsible for the saperation of two groups from the gang. It's It's because of his dominating nature and conservative mindset. He always wanted to persuade his prospective and orders on the gang members below him. He acts like only he owns everybody. Ryder (probably) told Carl that families accused each other wrong that's why they got saperated. And the drugs thing ?? I think Sweet is right against pushing, but on other side he could not make much progress with the gamg. He is not a good leader. He is incapable and Incompetent.

All of this information makes me wonder... Why was it significant enough to have Big Smoke in the mission "Nines and AKs" say that one line while you're driving to Emmet's place? "Seville wrongs Temple, Temple wrongs Grove. Bad blood leads to bad blood." Taking that quote at face value could mean that there was beef between those 2 factions first and then that spilled over into Grove Street. Then Sweet, being like he always is and just waiting for everything to calm down instead of doing something about it first, doesn't solve any problems between them and just lets them break up into their own separate places. During the mission, "Reuniting the Families," all 3 green gangs were supposed to have a truce between them so something good WAS supposed to happen for Grove Street. But then it got ruined with the SWAT raid. I never knew that there was this much thought put into the plot, but I love how detailed the story is in this game.

Temple Drive Families are the most savage set between the families...they are the only set that held it down after the split and fall of the families...

I think Sweet was thinking about the kids and the regular people on the hood, not the OG gang members when he said that he doesn't wanted drugs on the hood

Its not like drugs was the only way to make money fast, CJ could have observed the Leone mob when he was working for them and tried things like the protection scheme. Or set up legitimate businesses like bars, barbershops tatoo parlors and auto repair shops. All funneling the money to the guys at the top The Johnson Family. Then it could be redistributed in the form of guns, ammo and payment. Grove Street could have been a proper legit organized crime syndicate given CJ's massive amount of wealth he attained throughout the game if only Sweet wasn't so closed off and narrow minded.

I really want to know how Brian died. And how did CJ have something to do with it? Did CJ accidently shoot him while trying to shoot an rival gang member? Did CJ watched someone else kill his brother and did nothing about it? What was it?

I think as bad as it sounds sweet not wanting to get involved in drugs is what split the families all those members seeing how fast money could come in by selling drugs influenced people

You guys have to understand, when Grove Street Families started back in the late 60s they were the strongest gang. When I say strongest they had Ganton, Idlewood, Willowfield, Playa De Seville, and Temple. The Ballas only had Jefferson and Glen Park. Whoever started the Families in the beginning had control, until Sweet took over in the 80s. Ballas got stronger during the 80s with crack epidemic. They were the only ones pushing weight. They took over East Los from the LSV gang. Ballas also took over the projects in Idlewood and Willowfield. This weakend the Grove Street Families completely. Seville Blvd didn't like what Sweet was doing so they split the same with Temple Drive.

CJ would make a better Leader than Sweet He hates drugs and he has Cesar and the Aztecas alliance

Please publish more in depth analysis of GTA SA plotline. I'm loving the experience of watching one of my childhood nostalgia through a more mature, critical lense.

For me, Sweet was the least likable character in the game. I found him more annoying than Catalina and Zero, all he ever did was yell at CJ.

This game will soon turn 20 and it is still heavily talked with hundreds of thousands of views online. A testament of its greatness. Amazing content btw!

Those deleted phone calls from Sweet to CJ are damn hilarious, as if all the bad habits and behavior going on in the hood is CJs fault lol.

Should definitely do one on the Ballas and how the war started with families and how Ballas rose to power

The Families were originally extremely strong before all the sets split and Ballas gained influence and overtook them as the cities biggest gang. They even also owned Willowfield, Lower East Los Santos, Idlewood, etc... One cool little hidden detail is you can still find various Families tags in the Ballas hoods that once belonged to the Families as well as details in conversation of the history of the area pre-1992. Originally, there were only 2 Ballas sets: The Rollin' Heights in Jefferson and the Kilo Tray in Glen Park. The Front Yard were formed in Idlewood once the drug trade began to rise and they quickly became the largest set taking over Grove Streets territories around Ganton. The Temple Drive Ballas came to fruition as a subdivision in Verona Beach and Vinewood to surround and start moving in on the Temple Drive Families turf. The Kilo Tray Ballas even setup a secondary base of operations in the Seville Boulevard Families former turf down in Willowfield and Ocean Docks. They pretty much had the entire gangland on lock by the time CJ returned smh

I hated Sweet when he got on CJ for trying to leave the hood. It’s sad that he’s still stuck in the hood mindset while CJ saw life more than the hood. I respect his way of thinking but it doesn’t mean he’s right.

If I may make a suggestion for a future video, could you explain the meaning behind the Green Sabre? Why did Smoke and Ryder choose that particular car to try and kill Sweet? Why were they planning to use it again later on, presumably to try and kill him again? After all, if Smoke just wanted Sweet dead, he could have just waited until they were sharing some beers one night and then reached for his gun. I just find the whole thing rather poorly laid out in game. I almost get the whiff of more cut content.

It's also sad to consider that none of it mattered in the end because The ballas end up in control of Grove Street in GTA V

It's a very unpopular opinion I'm gonna give here but Big Smoke was right in wanting to sell drugs, Sweet was trying to be the good guy in a bad guy game. He was the responsible for GSF downfall before CJ came back

bro love the content never seen this type of vids anywhere

Really makes you think how different things would be if Sweet took Smokes offer.

"Our principles are making us bitches" Sweet: Nah man, we so hood & could stick up a burger shot if we need money.

I’m loving all your videos 💯🙏🏾keep it up bro

This is why i hate how they separate SA and GTA5 its literally like 20 years later would've been cool to know the true story about what happen not like it had anything to do with the story

San Andreas is one of those games i will never criticize because it's pure golden and legendary to many of us 90's gaming veterans

Am I the only one who thinks the narrator sounds like James Woods aka Mike Toreno from the game? Kinda adds to the video honestly 😂

Sweet wanted to keep the community as whole clean. He may have been the leader of a Felonious gang but he was also a benevolent one. Look at Don corleone for example he didn't want to get into the drug business either

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Sweet was a terrible and incompetent leader that was too full of himsef to see problems, he did good by refusing to get involved with the drug business but his extreme passivity and doing absolutely nothing to gain influence or money or weapons is what ultimately made Smoke and Ryder betray Grove Street. Sweet was living in an illusion that everything is good, not seeing that Grove Street is getting weaker and weaker while everyone else especially Ballas their main enemy are getting stronger and stronger. Ryder should have taken over as Grove Street leader cause he was the only one who truly did everything to help Grove Street i mean his missions are literally only about helping Grove Street.

Damn, I'll never look at Sweet the same again.

Please do a video on the green sabre. There is a lot of mystery surrounding that car.

I've always hated Sweet for his incompetence and pathetic mindset. Now, thank you for hating him even more lol. Of course I love his intentions, but his actions are just unbearably painful to see. He keeps on yapping about getting the 'hood back together and keeping them tight, but he barely does anything that helps in doing those things. CJ also has his flaws, but, at least, he's more competent and has an open mindset in one form or another.

I can't believe a gangster and killer like Sweet has principles and refuses to deal in drugs while the script writers in this video blame him for refusing to Life is full of surprises 😂😂😂😂😂😂

I'm guessing that the temple drive and Seville boulevard families are the only sets that agreed to big smoke's proposal to sell drugs where as the main gsf set preferred to follow Sweet's anti drugs ideologies

Sweet represented the late 70s style of gang banger, they should really make a another GTA in Los Santos in the late 70s-early/mid 80s, the style, guns, gangs, drugs, by the epilogue would rule the streets

Congo for 20 k

So Hugo was right all along, Sweet *is* a busta

Keep up the good work

Bro you guys r soo good!

what is that song from big sweet and smoke section of the video

@gAMINGINVESTGATORS-HUBSON what is the song name in section sweet and big smoke in the backround i really would appreciate it 1:00-3:29

Actually Sweet allowed some drug to be distributed such as marijuana and PCP like Ryder uses and even some GSF member I believe also smoking marijuana; though he seems kinda dislike it. But cocaine is really strong drug and he didn't wanted this drug ruined his gang.

For me Sweet do nothing for his hood . Always complaining about CJ runaway from the hood . But when CJ return , all by his self what he do is make a reunited families , became stronger . And Sweet what he do ? Nothing . He just a shit when CJ not with him . But CJ ? He down for the hood by his self , alone . And what Sweet don't know one thing is , CJ is the man who take Sweet out from prison , and he do so many task will ruin his life . But he still do that because he just wanted to free Sweet from prison . And he still complaining about CJ ? The real reason why GSF collapsed ? Is because Sweet do nothing about his hood . If you give a reason that CJ runaway from the hood for 5 years , and you see how powerless Sweet and don't knoe how to take care his hood by him self . But when CJ returned , the hood become stronger . Because , CJ down for his hood and show his loyalty and get respect from the hood by him self and he do that . He do that alone . Not with Sweet . Even in final mission , you need to take down another families hood to find Smoke , and still , CJ do that alone . So where the fck Sweet ? Always complaining about CJ meanwhile he done nothing for take good care his families hood .

GSF and Aztecas could over throw Ballas and vagos

Because street gangs are nothing like Organized Crime syndicates, and the realism brought by GTA V intended to illustrate that. When Lamar and Franklin talk on this subject, it is said that most of Grove Ogs died and the ones who were left got rich and eventually went away. Possibly CJ got more and more involved with big business and white colar crimes. Sweet was possibly alone dealing with a whole new generation of hoodlums who didn't acknowleged him or any of the old shcool sutff. Sweet was either killed; forced to leave the hood himself or he simply got tired of the hardship in the hood after living the good life CJ had brought them. Eventually the gang that took control of Grove St. was more aligned with the Ballas than with The Families itself.

will you do a video on your character in gta v online of what their role can be in los santos or the ultimate fate of them

CJ, DO SOMETHING!!!

in my View. Former Neighbourhoods like Willowfield are lost to the Ballas. We know from the bigger Black Graffitis around that area that they once belonged to the Families. Idlewood has the graffitis too especially in the Skate Park. CJ is aware that idlewood is Ballas Territory. They have lost it probably prior to 87. Ryder wants his Graffitis at the pizza Restaurant which is in Idlewood and the first Graffiti Mission starts in Idlewood. So there is still a annexation even though very passive. Till the End of the Story where you actually have to fight it back. When it comes to Willowfield. There are the big black grove graffities all over the place. It was once a Grove Territory. The Vagos say to CJ "go back to willowfield Ese" "i smoked your camaradas in east los" and the Aztecas say "stay out of Willowfield putos" "i blasted your idlewood carnal" " i smoked your willowfield carnal "you let vagos in your Barrio holmes" so that big area between the Grove, Seville and Aztecas belonged to the grove. probably 1-2 vagos areas between grove and seville too. in my view since the Families lost the Territories, to the ballas because they wanted access to the Docks and factory grounds so they can bring the drugs, money and weapons in. The Seville are at odds with the Grove. Temple in other Hand the biggest between the three just sees them as a liability and just does their own business. As they are in the fancier areas they probably allow the Ballas to sell their products and earn a little too and the Ballas tolerate them in return.

I like Sweet's beta appearance more than the final game's.

Always enjoy the lore of the 3D universe.

Was there some update or exclusive feature in GTA SA where you can wield an akimbo Silenced pistol? Since launch you can only hold 1 even after hitman but for yours its akimbo

Epic last fight between two old friends CJ and Big Smoke

If there is going to be gta 7 I hope we go back to los santos and complete the story between the hoods and I hope franklin can be there too

I never understood that why a gangster (SWEET) who is the leader of GSF and is a hardcore criminal has such moral high ground against selling drugs. He and his gang indulge in many kinds of illegal acts, killings, gang wars and what not. He could be a person whom the common people in Los Santos dread of, a person with whom no law abiding and normal person would like to cross paths with or mess with. After all this, why the hell is he trying to be a good guy in a dirty game of power and politics by not indulging in drugs business? Afterall at the end of the day their goal is to expand their territories and become more and more powerful in San Andreas. When they are basically gangsters and criminals by profession, why the hell is he adamant on not selling drugs and allowing rival gangs like Ballas and Vagos to become stronger and letting GSF get weaker day by day. He isn't even finding out an alternative way to expand GSF's influence and only complains and cribs all day long. If you have such moral high grounds then why the fuck are you running a gang which indulges in illegal acts and business, shut all that up and get a fucking job of a cashier at a pizza place (maybe he won't be eligible for that too considering his criminal history and record). I started hating his character slowly, he was singlehandedly responsible for the fall of GSF due to his stubbornness and lack of leadership. He never did anything good for GSF, all he did was blame CJ for every damn thing. Maybe this could have been the main reason for CJ going to Liberty City 5 years ago to live a new life away from his dumb brother and gang bullshit. C.R.A.S.H. being a unit of corrupt cops (Tenpenny, Pulaski, Hernandez) who are willing to let the gangs sell drugs so that both of the parties earn and benefit from it is such a great opportunity for GSF and any other gang in Los Santos but Sweet was too dumb to understand this. He was trying to be a good and righteous guy in a game which is dirty and immoral from top to bottom. Big Smoke was smart enough to grab the opportunity and convince Sweet but he denied while having no other plans regarding future of GSF. However I do not support the betrayal of Big Smoke but he also had no other choice left, either he had to die himself in the hands of C.R.A.S.H. or let Sweet die so that he could get into drugs business and become powerful. Big Smoke unlike Sweet was concerned about GSF's future that is why he struck a deal with C.R.A.S.H. and was willing to convince Sweet so that GSF could also get stronger but his plan failed and was left with no choice. Big Smoke was also getting threatened for life and blackmailed by C.R.A.S.H., he simply chose his life over Sweet's. I cannot say whether he was right or wrong but no one would like to die for a dumb guy (Sweet) who has no plans for the gang and thinks that the world would run on his whims and fancies.

Emmet for sure.

Some times before, I was thinking about this topic 😁really, that what happen to Groves St. In GTA V and Thanks for giving pure contents. 🙏🏻🙏🏻 THANK YOU 🇮🇳🇮🇳

My take on sweet is this we all know he stands on his principles and he is willing to die for his hood sweet is like most old school ppl when times change they dont want to adapt or accept change … sweet was right in not wanting drugs in the hood but as a leader he is supposed to find another solution for the gang to follow ppl will only stay loyal but for so long because at the end of the day the soldiers are going to start to think for themselves survival mode kicks in because they start looking around like yeah sweet i hear you but how else am i going to eat if we’re not selling drugs ??? … the world grows and evolves and sweet was stuck holding onto a way of thinking that was running his gang into the ground and he also would refuse to give up leadership a good leader must know when they no longer have it and delegate … CJ was perfect to take over that leadership role because CJ had the same mindset as sweet about drugs but was willing to lead the gang in a different direction he thought outside the box and had the mindset of an entrepreneur where sweet says “you sound just like smoke right now” except smoke was in it for greed and for his self only … CJ was in it to go legit and uplift his community and his family in the process and to eventually leave the gang life behind him

1:00-3:24 (that GTA 3 jazz remix 😍😘🥰❤❤️‍🔥)

Don t get it twisted Temple Drive Families put in mad work on Temple Drive Ballas and bullied them conquering for a period the whole of temple

I think the attempted attack on sweet was viewed by the GSF's rivals as "If they could do that to GSF, then the GSF's powermis weakening and now it's time to retake what should be ours" basically it showed a weakness that GSF was getting weaker and that if they attack then GSF can't attack them... if that makes sense. English isn't my first language.

what is song from 1:00 to 3:28 please tell me i really appreciate it

I think there were a few factors that made Grove Street disadvantaged. One, it was the introduction of crack, which GSF and also Los Aztecas refused to deal with, and that's why those are the two smaller gangs compared to Vagos and Ballas when CJ gets back from LC. I think it's good that they didn't deal with it, but they should have teamed up earlier to take out the Vagos and Ballas who were threatening their existence. I don't think Sweet was wrong to abstain from dealing drugs, but the drugs helped the other gangs and they took too long to react to those threats. Also, traitors from within the family, and dissent, which is partially Sweet's fault. It's not his fault that Big Smoke was a traitor, but he probably should have figured out that Smoke was inching towards betraying him with his obsessive attitude towards money, and wanting to deal crack. He is, however, responsible for the GSF's old school mentality, which held them back from other, more ethical, sources of making money which CJ has seen to, and which led to their resurgence. Sweet is a great leader, but he's too old fashioned, and he needs CJ and also Kendl's youthful, more entrepreneurial minds more than he realizes, and he should have always involved them more.

Hey "Hubson Games" please do a video about that old man "the truth" and his secrets about why he want to see those cars in San fierro and he want that green thing that CJ stole it from the military train?!

I don't know why but i like sweet how he act to cj 🤣😂😅 i guess used to it

GSF could have became ethical drug dealers 😂

If you ask me, the story would have been much better had Sweet conceded his own mistakes that caused Grove's downfall instead of putting all the blame on CJ even though Sweet, as the gang's leader, should also be sharing the blame for not actually doing anything about it. I may empathize with Sweet, but I don't sympathize with him at all.

Sweet basically became the gansta version of Karen from HR

3:30, if anyone can tell me what this filter is called, it would reallyyyy make my day

*10:31** You know what ? This Unused Phone Calls So Annoying Than Not Learn to Fly From Torreno Phone Calls. God damn Rockstar Games... Why did cut this from game? Least we have files. We can make remastered with together!*

Sweet was a poor leader, i always thought that the reason why he was mad at cj for leaving was because cj was the real G in his hood and people naturally respected and followed him. He just had alot of guilt from what happened to his younger brother which he felt was because of him and thats why he left . Probably because sweet blames him for everything. But sweet to me is weak

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gta sa 2: Part 1, 1993 takeovers[DYOM] Mission 1: Go on a failed grove street invasion Mission 2: At night, go sneak into cj's house and temporarily leave the GSF without an underboss Mission 3: Go destroy an ambulance with cj in it and make the temporary no underboss eternal in the GSF Mission 4: DEFEND YOUR TERRITORY, SWEET IS LAUNCHING A MINI ATTACK Mission 5: Play a shooting game with the ballas and hit some bottles. Mission 6: Go burn the santa maria beach with some molotovs and destroy an art gallery Mission 7: Try To Kill Sweet Once Again! but you killed a tarnell. Mission 8: Try To Expand Into Red County

And btw the side missions are conquer every gang or hood to control it Grove Street make a empire since no one are other Can break em

Another augment on why Sweet Sucks, by Hugo One. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fb2RmdikybWwj6c.html

Shawty in da back was getting bizzee

We need a gta of lamar taking back grove st!!!! Asap

Grove in the HD Universe is like The Forellis in the 3D universe, had everything once, made mistakes, and came to their lowest point, except The Grove Street Families still exist.

They have a family set right up the street from them and St Maria Beach

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Imagine GTA: The return of Groove street.. That would be iconic

Ima always repping GSF 💚 Davis Gang Biootch

RIP Carl Johnson, Melvin Harris, better known as Big Smoke, and Lance “Ryder” Wilson

what is that song called from 1:00 Threw 2:00

In every GTA game we always do all the work hey u drive, hey you do this, you do that, just like in this game c.j. does everything while his brothers sweet sits back and moans and whines about everything

7:33- Did you say "The pn-ultimate factor..."

Definitely missed on Sweet and drugs in the hood.

A lot of you ppl get sweet misunderstood He’s the oldest brother Dealing with his little brother Brian dying & CJ running away out of guilt then once CJ left The Set Fell because GSF is a family thing Sweet the leader yeah but He can’t do it all by himself which Is why he always talked shit To CJ bec he abandoned his family an CJ was 2nd Leader Which is commissioner smoke an Ryder was his lieutenant’s. CJ leaving lead to his mom dying if CJ wouldn’t have left maybe their mother wouldn’t have died So I honestly get sweets point of view ya look at him as mean to CJ but he’s not quite wrong for it either Cuz one person can’t do it all an most gonna say CJ took over hoods etc but that’s game logic ofc cj has to cuz he’s the main character sweet took hoods as well but we don’t see him do it cuz he’s not the main character also for u ppl saying sweet don’t do nothing is stupid ya act like ya didn’t have to do missions with sweet an when you did what sweet did shoot weather if u see his aim off an him not hit his targets but thts gta logic I do blame sweet but not all the way they all had their faults an Sweet gave CJ his props when he said CJ changed da hood by himself