I have one question. Why you founded this eglish chanell. ?

hey what mods do you use

Wrote my comment before I read this 😂. Apology accepted, you must of got a lot of comments teaching you the difference.

This explains why Ryder was never meant to be a traitor, I blame it all on Rockstar Games since they're the ones who drove Ryder's voice actor to quit. So leave it to them a-holes at Rockstar Games to ruin what was suppose to be the "Best PS2 Game of All Time". I really hope that somebody remakes the entire GTA: San Andreas game, but this time have Ryder not be a traitor, but more of an ally that'll help CJ throughout the game.

Weed is pretty much underground coveted medicine

and doing these numbers of views sheesh... forever a classic

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Not for the right reasons tho.

True

True

He was also the most keen in the friend group when sending Ballas into their graves and hospitals. Really shows he was never meant to be a traitor unlike smoke who had many foreshadowing in his cutscenes.

His missions also were beneficial for Grove Street unlike Smoke's

@@romansionis2470 yep, smoke was showing signs of being a buster in missions where he's involved. Ryder was being jealous of CJ because he wants to be recognized like CJ and prove he's as good as CJ too so it wouldn't make sense to make him betray without any reason.

@@yuxomgaming9824 thought being jealous of cj's position was good enough reason for the betrayal. he always hated on him and really wanted to be recognized as sweet's right hand man at least but if sweet was ignoring this fact then ryder had reasons to betray them

@@bakihanma5849 That doesn't make any sense. Ryder was jealous but doesn't hate them. He was clearly determined to prove to the Grove OGs that he's just as capable as CJ is. Betraying them will go against Ryder's ego himself.

All for what, Zero's Missions, Driving School, Boating School? This game has so much bloat it's actually annoying

@@nickrustyson8124 you realize that all of that is optional right

@@thebest-lp8sj Imo @nickrustyson8124 meant that within the time constrains they had for the game development, they chose to add extra optional content instead of using that time to properly develop Ryder's story, which should have been a priority.

Well ryder is not the only aspect that feels uncompleted in the game, there are missions that pop out of nowhere and dialogues that make no sense@@MatezAul

He recorded new lines for the introduction

Yeah it's like ryder put in all of this last-minute and crash pressured on him because the robbing uncle Sam and the heist mission

Also there's no death cutscene or dialogue for Ryder.

I know right..

@@caracaes ye

I didn't care much about Big Smoke's betrayal but Ryder... he has those best friend vibes with CJ, like you know how he is fucking with him all the time. At the time i thought it was shit writting that he betrayed GSF when all his missions were to help them. Makes sense that due to behind the scenes problems , they just said "fuck it" and killed him with the betrayal excuse.

the thing is in the green saber mission cutscene CJ don't acknowledge his presence and only talk about big smoke even after CRASH took him to country side he only bring big smoke to the argument not even mentioning Ryder

What happen?

He was even the one who revealed the green sabre, he was also the most keen on putting the Ballas into hospitals

They made Ryder betray you because Ryder’s voice actor got into an argument and he quit so he wasn’t there for anymore voice lines

Smoke was talking about himself. He tried talking Tenpenny & Pulaski outta killing Sweet. What else would make him finally cave in

Which makes since given those lines sound very, getting shot and dying like

Yeah! And funny enough, if that happened then the mission would be even more unique because each one of the OGs would end up in other situation - Big Smoke betrays, Ryder dies, Sweet gets in jail, while Carl is taken out of town. 🙂

@@gaminginvestigators that actually gives much more impact tbh, cause 2 characters betraying and Ryder is barely important in the betrayal has always bugged me.

Yesss, I've been saying the same thing!

Exactly. I always pretend that he died in that shootout once Pier 69 is completed.

same exact idea i came up with too! damn, we're better writers than Rockstar themselves lmao!

Sucks as hell..

Could also be that Ryder knew cj was a force to be wreckoned with n probably wouldn't be able to stop him.

@nemo pouncey I think Eazy-e was killed by a stubbed toe after he got HIV. Shit put him down to 1hp

Agree, out of the members Ryder had the worst ending. Even I wasn't happy when I first beat it

@@andy34isabor89 it went down as a covid death actually

Well yes, but in the end we decided to exclude The Introduction really as it was created very late in development when the new concept of Ryder being traitor evolved, thus it wouldn't be objective to the primal design of Ryder's story 🙂

@@gaminginvestigators I think it's a detail that's worth bring up, Big Smoke was never going to be able to kill Sweet himself because he did have the Grove in his heart, the comment he makes of "having a gun put to someone's head wither a fool or wise" will always make them do things they normally wouldn't ever consider doing, something akin to blackmail which is what happens with CJ, Tenpenny was blackmailing Big Smoke to kill Sweet something Big Smoke himself could never bring himself to do at least not in a public fashion, having a rival gang try to do the assassination for him would be something that would save his neck and also satisfy whatever it was Tenpenny was blackmailing Smoke with. Big Smoke basically brought the topic up with Ryder and by doing so ended up dragging him into whatever it was Tenpenny was doing with Big Smoke, which is something Tenpenny probably didn't like if we take his character at face value.

@@cursedhawkins1305 We agree that this is a really valid point! However, we don't think it's useful to us because we were concentrated on early vision of Ryder's role in this game, not the one that is presented in the final product 🙂 But thanks for pointing this out nevertheless 😉

I don't think Ryder EVER talks about Kendl.. Like at all.

Yeah when Caesar said that, I was thinking 'Where the hell did that come from? And if he had tried something 'funny' why didn't Kendl mention it to CJ or Sweet earlier?

@@user-so4ov7re3s Nope! Not one word of Ryder ever mentioning Kendl at all.

True, mate 👍

There doesn't need to be hints? Also there is many reasons why she might not tell sweet or CJ that, maybe she didn't know how to open up to them about such an embarrassing topic or could have been scared, she knew that by dobbing in Ryder could make things worse for her brothers sake but also her own. The construction worker incident was a different situation, they were insulting how she looked, not sexually abusing her.

I honestly think the heartbreak in this game from some of the betrayal was ironically the cherry on top immortalizing the game

@@Richnrollinbeats it definitely was, but it was still a shock. I liked Ryda up until he started weezling around with Smoke.

Bruh I hate it because ryder looks so much like eazy that it just feels double fuckes up.

yeah same here for me too

Ryder shoulda died in the shootout. It woulda hurt CJ and drove him crazy for revenge.

Was there any proof that there was a conflict between R* and MC Eiht? This things keep popping all the time, but without any evidence.

@@R1ckRossFromLatvia ironically there's more proof that there was no conflict

MC Eiht was on tour the later part of 2004 due to him dropping a album which is why they changed around the fate of Ryder. Due to him not being able to finish his voice work

@@joshingram071 i never thought about that he had tour preps, anyway Ryder's betrayal ended up being rushed and lacking of drama.

Yeah, it's a pity that Rockstar couldn't like wait a bit for Mc Eiht to have more free time or arrange some better moment instead of saying that's all we wanted from you.. And as you said about Big Bear, presumably the storyline could also look much different with him having more involvement :/

You mean McEiht? xD

Yes, Mc Eiht being busy could also be one of the factors 🙂 Now about "Home Invasion", we do know that this alternative can be achieved only when the condition is met, that is mission failure. Nevertheless we thought that it would be cool to mention it as a curiosity and an example of how Ryder could turn back on CJ. But yeah, this alternative is not canon whatsoever. 😉

Looks like,ive been seeing misinformation

Wait, this is new. Edit: Source in vid. My bad. I'm glad someone reached out to him so we can have the answer.

No

Says who lol

Skip 1 cutscenes = Skip whole story

Cant skip cutscenes

Well thats rockstar i guess, having feud with the voice actor would have them feud with their respective game character as well such as avery, tommy, ryder 😔

@@justchill1617 Nico bellic

@@aleksandar8225 niko's va are not rlly in dispute with r*, even tho he got paid only a 100 grand for 16 months of va and mocap. The thing is he said that be sure what u signing up for. Cuz he signed a 100k pay contract without knowing how long he would work. He cool with r

@@justchill1617 There was no damn feud smh know before you speak

@@Carl_Johnson. well thats what they want you to think, of course they are making themselves clean, if you look closely you know there is a little bit of misunderstanding between the two especially when the in game character gets treated like that. So just to return it to you “understand before you speak”

Headcanon: The betrayal and death of Ryder is so painful to CJ that he essentially lied to Sweet about what happened to him off-screen, saying the Ballas or C.R.A.S.H got to him. It’s the only way that’d even justify the lack of a mention for Ryder.

He never said "big smoke remember that name!" like big smoke so they forgot

I totally agree with that, he never seem to appreciate or thanks CJ for bringing hood back together. Sweet always seem to put CJ down all the time, he mostly blame hi for everything what went down. Even with Sweet got release out of the prison, he still treated CJ like trash as Sweet thinks that all the thing CJ did. Was all for CJ benefit and not for the hood. Sweet is really a ball breaker.

It’s obvious Ryder was forced into it, if not that then it’s probably because rockstar had to change up like half of the GTA Sa’ story because Aaron Tyler, better known as Mc Eiht had his mind on other things besides rockstar.

Ryder is iconic

Yes, comparing it to just smoking joints like the video did is wrong.

@@MrAfusensi woah, I thought it would be like an enriched joint/blunt. Not a whole trip like you say

@@AK-sx4zp it's a dissociative, it basically makes you see the world from outside of your own body

7:39 he literally has the definition of “water” in the video

Well, as far as The Green Sabre is concerned, we are sure that Ryder wasn't meant to become the traitor, at least in our opinion. But as you said, Rockstar North probably wasn't sure how to continue Ryder's story when Loco Syndicate thread came to their mind. And well the point that they were messy with the story is well presented here, they didn't think this through. They decided to slowly introduce the whole new concept instead of making changes earlier in the story. As a result we can clearly see how many mistakes they made. We think that they should have kill Ryder under Mulholland Intersection instead of forcibly making him the traitor. Thanks for the comment and good luck with your videos 😉

i mean yeah but just look at the game past the underpass shootout, i think rockstar ran outta money so he became an expendable asset

This is so true, the story was good written until that moment like why he died in such a stupid way

Frfr

Ikr

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I feel you

I agree. I feel like I lost the motivation and interest in the story line afterwards, because Ryder was very interesting in the first part of the game. Then it just went weird and I lost interest in the story.

"Oh MUTHAFUCKA my CAR!"

I agree.Instead of making that crappy Pier 69 mission they could have used him as your ally during The Green Sabre and just have him die in a fight with the ballas or make the police take him down when they arrive.Not to mention he didn't even get to have a dialogue with CJ before his death like Smoke had.Even Jizzy had a cutscene and he was not as important

@@laur6405 If GTA SA ever gets remade (Which I doubt cause we don't even know when the hell GTA 6 will come out) it'd be a tearful moment if Ryder ever dies.

And that really sucks! Who knows how far the developers could go with Ryder in the storyline if this turn of events didn't happen. As many other people mentioned, if they really wanted to end up Ryder in Los Santos, he should have died in the battle under Mulholland Intersection..

What he did irl?

The VA did come back for gta v on the lab radio station and sings welcome to los santos, he even calls the station in game to request it, so we at least know he didn't leave on bad terms

Hmm, that could be the reason of modified line, like a side effect of "water" abuse 🤔 However, when it comes to Ryder getting into the deal with CRASH for the sake of drugs, this sounds rather trivial. What we mean is even if he did enjoy drugs as much as we assume, would he really want to work with Ballas? A gang he hates ever since? Now about CJ's lines towards Ryder after The Green Sabre thread ends, well as we said developers could tell CJ's voice actor anything they want him to say, regardless of what he thinks or what they want. But yeah, as you said, it's clear that this whole mess with Ryder's character wasn't done on purpose, it's a huge act of desperation and bad way to end a good character..

A sherm head is a pcp addict not a crackhead. Crackheads are known as base heads

I've seen somewhere that his voice is like that because he was in the place of T-Bone in that scene, where he is injured and walking to the fence while saying his final lines. Meanwhile, T-Bone is the one escaping in the boat, but this was apparently only in the beta.

Bro its not cracked its pcp

The aftermath with all those cops were the worse

This might explain why Ryder didn't come back 😦

Like smoke is probably pressuring or threatening Ryder into joining the ballas...

@@99mrpogi Like suge knight(big smoke) threatened eazy e(ryder) in real life.

Thanks a lot! 😊

And we are glad that you tried to get response from MC Eight! It is very valuable to the whole thread 🙂

Someone could do it in DYOM

@@BlackLotusVisualArchive there is a mod for that

I kinda want to write a fanfic that's a rewrite of the game's wholestory, mainly because I have a lot of problems with it, Ryder's Betray, Photo Opportunity, Zero's Missions, now that I think of it, I just don't like the San Fierro part of the game

There weren't problems with the VA, That's just speculation not facts

He didnt leave didnt u see the video rockstar told mc eiht they were done with him that he was good to go

He didint have problems with them, he worked on album and had to do concerts. He even thanked Rockstar for the opportunity they gave him in some interview a few years ago!

did he edit the video to mention PCP or something?? I keep seeing these comments but he talks about it in the video

@@plasticsaint more that he seems to treat PCP as like something that's not a hard drug and that stuff will completely screw you up

@@plasticsaint sorry for late reply. It sounded like he didnt really know what pcp was and thought it was something like marijuana. When it's a far harder drug and at least on the level of crack if not worse. I think he made a comment that apologized for getting it wrong. That's cool of him to do.

There were no disputes between them and Mc eiht

I honestly thought that was bull**** that suddenly they let him betray us like that.

I actually found it odd that Tenpenny went to see Sweet about that.....like what else could have been going on as well?

Thank you, Timm! 🙂

that's PCP for ya lmao

he's a mofucking genius

he is smoking blunts dipped in pcp

Thanks for this words man!

@Arthur Morgan Yes that’s the truth exactly I was trying to say

Now i know

@Arthur Morgan Source: Trust me bro

@Arthur Morgan *That's just a stupid rumor and not actually the case

Pardon us, but we don't really understand what you mean here :/ CRASH had a chance to talk with every OG of GSF: Sweet, Ryder, Big Smoke (2x) and us (CJ). Now in the "Doberman" mission Sweet doesn't really point out that he received this information from CRASH specifically. Well, the thing with "Doberman" is much more complicated because there were like at least 3 different versions of it throughout development. All in all, we know that Tenpenny came by to Sweet thanks to "Los Sepulcros" quest, but would this really indicate Sweet being traitor? Especially considering that he's anti-drug guy and so on? Please explain this to us further 🙂

@@gaminginvestigators He might mean it's counter argument with what you describe Ryder relation with CRASH could mean betrayal. If it was like that, then Sweet also should considered a traitor because he spoke with CRASH. So with CJ that often work under their control. What I'm thinking about CRASH relation with Grove Street gang is actually just because CRASH trying to control gang crime by balancing each other while taking benefit from it. It's worth mentioning that Tenpenny gave a mission to CJ to infiltrate Ballas gang dealing arms exchange with Russian because it's dangerous if it let them out of CRASH control. Ballas might be gone rogue and ruined Tenpenny plan. So in scenario in Catalyst, CRASH just give a tip to Ryder because they knew Grove Street need weapons.

Imagine if ryder didn't betray cj, he will be cooking water at the garage in sf and annoying the whole crew because of the strong smell

Simply dumb

no shit

Yeah, someone need to do that and put Big Bear in the game. Considering he was supposed to bigger role in the game.

Well, at least we tried to convince you 😃

@@gaminginvestigators Let's not forget that on The Introduction where Big Smoke persuaded Ryder into joining him and Ryder accepts the offer. Its actually hard to pinpoint if Ryder was ever meant to betray the Grove Family or not. On the one hand, I can definitely see why we as fans don't want to see our Meme Lord die in a underwhelming way, but I can't ignore on how he could be one of the traitors to save his own skin. This may be a mystery that can't be solved.

Ryder was always meant to betray CJ? You lack common sense homie 🤣

​@@Zehahahahahahahahahahahaha Well it was a theory until GSG leaked San Andreas source code. I didn't see new videos about Ryder's betrayal after the definitive edition's release (with new info), so this video is kinda true now?

Well, about the Green Sabre we think that it is pretty obvious that Ballas weren't going for some old lady, but the OG instead since what would be the point, right? While the quote "you don't know what is going on" could be interpreted in many ways really. For us it could mean that Ryder is trying to raise CJ's awareness of the weapon problems GSF currently has.

@@gaminginvestigators yeah, I never saw ryder as a traitor to CJ or GSF, but the game was written in such a way you know 1 of 2 things is true, ryder was acting, or rockstar sucks. I think we all know which statement is true

What is yo set 🖐🙌👎👍👉👈👌✌🖖🤘👎✊

Thanks! :)

We agree, Ryder! It would be a hella better to see you with us than making you a betrayer forcefully! 🙁

@@gaminginvestigators Yea! Its so sad a good character like me go waste like that

@@Ryder69420 SHERMHEAD

This is a great advantage of modifications 🙂 Thanks to them we as players can make our assumption dreams come true, we can let our imagination go as far as we want. Unfortunately recently Rockstar stopped being too kind to the community when it comes to moding..

GTA San Andreas made into a single season series. Nice dream but knowing hollywood today they would find a way to make it trash.

This isn’t a person talking. It’s a text to speech like the annoying Tik Tok voices.

Or if it is a person they’re probably not the actual owner of the channel and just a VA hired for this like what channels like Looper and other larger channels do

@@BrickedUpp Sounds too fluid to be a text to speech. Don't know where you got that information from.

@@arthurmorgan670 they’re getting really good actually. My reasoning is that every word this channel gets wrong are the same words other text to speech programs get wrong. They normally can’t pronounce things like common English last names or nicknames yet don’t speak with heavy foreign accents.

@@BrickedUpp Ah I see where you're coming from about it. I've noticed it in some of his other videos now that you say it.

You know, we were thinking about adding this theory to our video too, but we've decided to leave it since it might be hard to find something more besides that they seem appropriate to be used in "The Green Sabre" mission :/ Thanks for the comment! 🙂

we hope we explained it well 😄

@@gaminginvestigators Ryder wasn't in that mission originally, in my opinion. He was suppose to the other surprise betrayal (the first was Smoke), as can be heard in the original voice of CJ in the mission Photo Opportunity.

The question is.. are you thinking about the early pre-Loco Syndicate concept of Ryder or the final one 😃 It's all about the perspective my man 😉 We believe that Ryder never betrayed GSF, perhaps he should have died during "The Green Sabre" mission or lived in hiding until CJ will come back to LS 🙂

There would have been more hilarious dialog between CJ and Ryder....if only....

That is supposed to be eazy well in his likeness

For some reason? He's literally modeled after Eazy. Tf?

Hello! Well, we do see your point, bro. We understand that this rude behavior of his might be straight crossing the line. Actually, there will be a video soon which touches on this subject. Now let's talk about this green sabre being mentioned in "Drive-Thru" mission. Yes, it could be surprising that Ryder knows about it and knows who was the target. However, is it really hard to figure this out for yourself? A hit on elderly woman doesn't give any benefits except for a bigger beef between the gangs. We think that it's rather obvious that such set up was planned to get rid of one of the OGs since they are quite important pillars of the whole organization, this move would weaken the gang instantly. And depending on the target, the effects will be higher or lower. In this case, getting rid of Sweet would be crucial to Grove Street Families because he is the leader and Big Smoke was ready to take the lead and get into drug market. And well, the thing about MC Eiht being determined to convince Rockstar North to change the plans sounds a bit ridiculous. The voice actor has nothing to do with the script, he only reads the lines. He might suggest something by himself, but that's about it. They are paid to read the script throughout recording sessions, nothing else. We hope that this reply clarified these issues a bit 🙂

There was a idea to make you play as different character just like in GTA v oh boy if we had this option maybe we could play as Ryder and sweet

@@youssef-mohamed692 it was 3 like V but ps2 couldnt handle that...if they would of waited some years to release on xbxo 360 San Andreas would of been even better

Good to know, so we hear each other soon then 😀