The Ghibli we know is mostly not a thing anymore.

​@@MaxIronsThirdI beg to differ, it's still a thing, Miyazaki recently released The Boy and The Heron back in July in Japan and it's scheduled to come out next month in America. In addition, he's to come out of retirement as of last month to work on more projects so, Studio Ghibli is STILL a thing

@@chibicreepypasta I said mostly, Miyazaki was retired before this movie for over a decade and probably retired again after it. Also the studio has even tried dipping their toes into 3D, which was a ridiculous clusterfuk.

​@@MaxIronsThird Shinkai has been doing incredible work for a while now in terms of big name creators out of Japan besides Miyazaki, and there's fresh Animé film and television every year in general in 2D hand drawn form. I dare say Japanese artists and creators are pushing the form to the most dizzying heights we've yet seen.

@@chibicreepypasta Miyazaki's been on the verge of retiring since before Princess Mononoke came out 25 years ago.

But how come you aren’t telling other studios like Dreamworks to make 2d films again

Beacuse dreamworks made like 3 2D films while disneys animation was literally built off it and pioneered 2D animation.

Indeed. There's room for both.

tell that to all the moms

Enter: the Japanese.

Agreed.

It is not extinct, it is just not the go to medium for animated theatrical (Hollywood) films. Outside that, 2D is still a well represented medium, even more so than 3D.

You can still do rigging with hand drawn animation

@@Gettinsketchypodcast Interesting (🧐)!

@@rosverlegaspo6752 Encouraging!

Just watch anime

@@Shadow-fb2ec Depends on the anime but that is the right answer yea

@@Shadow-fb2ec already do🥰

Same

@@Shadow-fb2ec It's not always as simple as saying "just watch anime" when western 2D animation such as that from Disney or WB in the past has always had its own sort of style and feel to it that you just don't get from anime, and vice versa.

not only that. even if you pay them the same a 3rd artist can get a lot more work done in the same amount of time. like just looking at cost per frame 3d tends to be a lot cheaper than 2d.

​@@zwenkwiel816thats mostly for low budget 3d animation most of the time 3d is more expensive than 2d

Still, if 2D animation does rakes in money, it should still have survived despite the unions. It just have to compensate for the cost. Money is still money and if 2D brings in money, then it should satisfy their greed. But 2D, well at the time when 3D was rising, just doesn't. Maybe, many people just look down upon 2D animation. There has always been this "animation is for kids" mentality at it seems to affect 2D animation the worst.

I didn’t know that, but unfortunately it’s not surprising. It makes the death of 2D animation even more tragic.

I blame the audiences more than the corporations. Disney is a business, and the point of a business is to make money. Princess and the Frog made substantially less money than any 3d movie that came out at the time, and that's because the majority of people wanted to see 3d movies more than 2d. It sucks because I personally prefer 2d, and maybe you do too, but apparently most people dont feel that way ):

i can't imagine Lilo and stitch outside of 2d animation... everything was done so beautifully and it made the film so vibrant, memorable and endearing...

Think ages better

Its called nostalgia

2D Disney was very special. Personally, i loved their post-Renaissance movies like Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Emperor’s New Groove and Brother Bear 👍

2D also doesn’t really age, whereas CG ages almost immediately

I think everyone respects 2D. If anything it’s 3D that deserves more respect since everyone seems to see it as just the inferior replacement to 2D.

@@rakoonshampoo2608 What 3D animated movies have been for a good decade and a half is a *threat* to the future of 2D movies, even if mainly because of the studios wanting to make it come to that. It wasn't until Disney's own 2D movies became affected that I really started to see it for myself, and any of my appreciation and interest in 3D movies only gradually went out the window over time when I can't be expected to want to still appreciate something that studios have wanted to turn into a literal agenda at 2D's expense. I started out with an open interest in those early 3D movies from Pixar as much as I already loved all the 2D animation of Disney, but this whole attitude shift that came later in the industry only led to me caring less about 3D anymore with my only interest today being in 2D animation's future. And by that I mean a future for *traditional* 2D animation, as opposed to the cheap motion tweening animation that's started making up 2D for our cartoons on television these days.

@@rakoonshampoo2608 I agree

Lies again? Enormous Boobs

@@rakoonshampoo2608 In the modern age, both need and deserve equal respect.

maybe that's why the best 3d animations tend to be the ones that use a lot of 2d fundamentals like into the spiderverse or Arcane. like it's still 3d but since they use so many fundamentals from 2d they inherently spend more time and attention on the important frames and shit.

"It can be made faster and cheaper, but that means that less planning and less effort has to go into them." That is literally just Wownow "Entertainment" in a nutshell.

I would say the opposite. Cheaped production means more resources can be invested in script and writing. Ideas can be made tried and scrapped.

@@peterroe2993 they're not though, they're just pocketed.

Ya, look at Illumination.

I miss good stories.

well there's a lot of indie animation on youtube, Lackadaisy is a good example but there's many others

Thank you Cody rhodes

I don't even like any 2D animation very much.

Me too.

it's basically like when EA declared that single player games are a dying artform. and then stardew valley was released. there's nothing wrong with 2d animation, as you pointed out anime proves it's wildly popular, it's just disney doesn't care anymore... which would be a tragedy if it wasn't disney.

Good thing Disney is not the world; i love that so much that thought of Disney suffering for losses due to their bad decisions makes me feel alright. I do wish them best, but they don't speak for the world of animation

@@khaimk4r4suThey have a monopoly so I hope they fail. They need to be split up.

​@@Spartan0430thank god they realised people actually do want single player games such as fallen order

@@sonmarsha69 mhm, i still refuse to support EA but at least they (only barely kinda sorta) realized they were wrong about this. hopefully disney, for the sake of their fans, also makes the same realization. kids shouldn't be denied grand hand-drawn tales just because some doofus in a suit arbitrarily says 'no.'

Except it didn't. Cartoons are still in 2D

@@syeddaahmed7460 Yes but he's talking about animated films.

Soyuzmultfilm is now thriving.

Does any studio you talk about have billion - usd movies? The first animation get 1 billion usd is toy story 3. 2d movies are for low budget. Low budget movies don't do well at box office

@@user-fx7mq9yl3p Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba - The Movie: Mugen Train Budget: 15 Million Box Office: 507 Million

Everyone loves details right and it's not saturated

@@assassin8636sometimes less is more

I honestly prefer 2D animation, but here're some counterpoints: Spiderman: Into/Across the Spiderverse TMNT: Mutant Mayhem The Mitchells vs the Machines Puss In Boots: the Last Wish Pinnocchio (by Guillermo Del Toro) All 3D animation, (though the last example is stop-motion, not CGI,) that is all magical in its own right. Plus, there's also The Amazing Digital Circus, which does the 3D style on purpose to emphasize that they're in a cartoony CGI simulation.

⁠@@stellanovalunaThe trend recently is combining 2D elements in 3D form. The Peanuts Movie and Captain Underpants are also good examples of this. Honestly, it's the best of both worlds.

@@achuuuooooosuu I know that. In fact, most of the examples, (with the exception of Del Toro's Pinocchio,) that I named are a combination of 2D and 3D animation. They're just mostly 3D, which is why I simply named them "3D animations". I still, however, prefer animations that are almost entirely 2D.

It's because of Anime

I hope you're right.

@@dreamguardian8320 At least, at tons of low budget TV show are made in 2D style. Fortunately there are also so many ways to made 3D looking like traditional animation. Spider-Vers the best example ❤️

b/c the very definition of "animation" is to give something life. I like your thinking!

But modern animation has turned into calarts

Born in 1997 here and my sister in 1999, we both feel you. My sister's favourite movie is Princess and the Frog and mine is Mulan. While we love all Pixar, we love it when our local cinemas re release animation or animé.

1990 kid here it was really the last great decade of everything entertainment

I was 6 when the little mermaid came out and 11 with the Lion king. So I was literally part of the target audience when the Disney Renaissance ruled and I won't lie.. It was a special and magical time to be a kid. Because we were surrounded by the hype and the magic and everything that was so amazing about Disney in those years. It's funny. As I grew into a teenager and started losing interest in comics or animations for a while, I kind of grew up with the slow demise and loss of this Disney magic. It was like really growing into adulthood and losing that childhood spark while seeing Disney losing it's spark at the same time. I initially thought it was just me growing up.. But then I realised Disney was actually losing it's magic. Of storytelling and what not. I'm 40 now and those Renaissance movies are at the top of my list of favourite movies and I reckon this is why most of the older millenials feel so butt hurt by the live action remakes. Modern Disney is killing our childhood nostalgia abd basically telling us that our childhood eyes and perspectives are bad and outdated. Whatever.

1993 here, just turned 30. Check out Atlantis: The Lost Empire and Treasure Planet. If you want Anime, search for Urusei Yatsura the original anime is from the 1980s, it also has a reboot from mid 2022 and the next season and last season releases in 2024!

There is still 2d animation in some series or outside Disney, but it's mostly made on the computer and everything is more normal and very lifeless for something animated. I miss the expression and ridiculousness of traditional animation too.

Once Upon A Studio just proved that they CAN go back to hand drawn animation if they wanted to. They just don’t want to

Both the game and the show did it so well

The fact that they also made it old-cartoonish makes it even better

I know, right? Cuphead fascinates me. I haven't played it. However I have seen bits of game footage. It is so cool. Another example is Paper Mario. Mario is a huge video game franchise. It usually uses either 2D sprites or 3D cg models. That is typical for video games. Paper Mario is different. It looks more like 2D drawing on paper and cardboard. As of the time of the comment, there is a remastered Paper Mario game being released on the Switch. Now I want to buy it. It is worth checking out. There is a lot of hope for 2D animation if it is going to be used by a major video game franchise. It is interesting that 2D is used for a video game instead of a movie or TV show. I am good at drawing. I am also interested in game design. It fascinates me that they can go together. I can draw on the computer using Photoshop. I recently learned that I can save character drawings as transparent PNG files. The character is visible but the background is not. Then someone else can put my drawings in a game engine. The engine can be either Godot or Unity. I haven't made a final choice on which ones to use. This kind of thing blows my mind. Maybe something like this can catch on.😊

Ya mean actual competition? Sounds good to me.

@@Sandman2007 Wage dumping is not competition. It's class warfare of the capital against the working class.

@@mina_en_suizagatekeeping by unions is also anti-competition. Any one at Dreamworks or any other non union firm are free to come and go as they please. Unions create rigid s to standards and not insensitive innovation.

@@Sandman2007 found the union buster

​@@Sandman2007 i too think workers should be exploited for the benefit of someone elses capital! /s, if it wasnt obvious

Yeah I think the only problem is that people forget its just two different mediums not an upgrade or a downgrade.

Shoot, that's not even including beautiful works done outside Disney or DreamWorks. Cartoon Saloon, Studio Trigger, Mappa, Ghibli, Kyo Ani, and so many more are proof that 2D can still offer more, even when combined with 3D animation

THIS!!! Too many people think 2D animation is dead and go "I miss 2D animation" but what they're really saying is that they don't watch things outside of Disney or mainstream 2D. And I guess in the mainstream, that's kind of true??? But not really??? I'm glad someone agrees that 2D animation is alive and there's no reason to miss it.

Thank you!! All these people acting like Disney-Pixar and DreamWorks are the be-all and end-all of animation.

Absolutely! I'm almost tired of people complaining about Disney when they put zero effort in searching for what's happening outside that studio. If they would they'd see there's alot of great creations out there.

Examples?

How close are you?

@@TheStrangerSpeaks10 hopefully he's really close I pray fro him cuz dat would be cool

Shopping it around now and recruiting animators. Have been championing the style as a lost art and have 2 hand drawn music videos; Garden Song Animated Phoebe Bridgers and Age Difference by Christian Lee Hutson. Im going to create a crowdfund next year to make it a reality

Let ma know, if you do. Syrously. I'd might to work for you.

Me too! But with some 3D elements like "The road To El Dorado" and "Treasure Planet"

I miss the 2D animation done by legendary Don Bluth.

try watching the movie Akira, your jaw might just drop

I'd say part of that's half true. Yes the stories of the 90s weren't very good. But exciting new voices gravitated to 3D animation. If you think about Incredibles, a brilliant director like Brad Bird went with telling his story in 3D. He could have went with 2D, but the exciting new world was 3D. Also I think one has to realize Disney is a business. A business needs to train people, retain people, make sure they build relationships together, pay the administrative costs of a studio. They also depend on schools training graduates to work in their studios. Once 3D came out, you saw students being trained in 3D instead of 2D. A studio like Disney had to decide, are they going to pour resources in fitting their studio with computer technology. That's an enormous cost, including your staff mastering those tools. So there was no way Disney was going to make 2D and 3D movies at the same time, would be an ineffective business model. Where would animators from one medium go when animators from another medium is making a movie? If you lay them off, will they return or just take their institutional knowledge to another studio? Also let's not forget for the entire history of 2D animation, there were other mediums of animation, stop motion, paint on glass, sand animation, etc. Stop motion was sometimes used but by and large, 2D was the most economically efficient way to produce animated movies with all the infrastructure and workforce ready to keep it running. Then 3D animation came out and was more economically efficient. I think you can make it about this CEO or that executive making a decision, but stepping back, it makes total sense why 3D took off to become the dominant medium of animation like 2D animation was before it.

I would also say that it applies to 3D as well.

Anime has been taken over by 3d animation and computer animation too

@@caetano1998 LMAO are you kidding me? Theonly 3D things in anime are the backgrounds and that's not all the time btw. And yeah there are some 3d anime but they still look good but you're statement is wrong.

Hahahhaahhahahahah

I saw it and it looks good

These are sadly not made by big Hollywood studios like Disney 😢

Unicorn Wars

And _The Bob's Burgers Movie_ .

​@@sonicfanboy3375 More like not sadly because if they would be made by big corpo, they wouldn’t be as good as they are.

Unless the cost of making them is cheap like most Anime Episodes tend to be in Japan, it's never happening.

Even if they could cover the costs (which, let's be real, it's fucking Disney. They obviously can), the talent needed is no longer there. Professional 2D animators no longer exist. That's the same reason why we can't build Saturn V rockets anymore: Nobody bothered to record the insane anount of hand-crafted knowledge that these professionals had in their heads, and their technical skill is all but lost. Yeah, computers can approach something similar, but ultimately, every little trick and the solution to every little problem has to be rediscovered from zero. And we have much cheaper methods and technology now, so, professionals with extensive specialized knowledge are obsolete anyways.

There is a ton of awesome 3D movies, it’s just sad it’s used for a lot of crap movies, although the same can be said with 2D.

God, Spirited Away is so good. Easily my favorite movie.

@@theworldisajojoreference8342 I got to see both Spirited Away and The Boy and The Heron at the theatre last year...the third of the films I saw in the theatre last year was a film that definitely wasn't in the pink - it was called "Oppenheimer"... ...three films, all having won Academy Awards - not a bad year for me :)

What's your point here?

@@assassin8636 Corporations according to current case law in the US have a impossible to fulfill feduciary responsibility to return to their shareholders an ever-increasing maximized profit return on their investment, and any art they produce as product is incidential to that goal. Corporations that commodify art will always use the mediums which they are most capable of exploiting, and if they don't, their shareholders can sue the company and potencially win company bankrupting money. So, if we want to see more art in the less exploitable, unionized mediums, we either have to let the corporation union-bust and drag down the cost of labor associated with producing something in that medium (bad idea) or unionize everything else to bring up the cost of labor associated with producing in those other mediums to match the current par (good idea). The rhetoric that "3D is cheaper to produce than 2D" obscures that what make 3D cheaper for companies to produce than 2D is that they can get away with underpaying their workers more to perform labor in less favorable conditions, and using that rhetorical smokescreen makes it seem like the switch from 2D to 3D was an immutible inevitability rather than a specific consequence of addressable material conditions. So my point is that we can, in making things better for 3D animators, see a revival of the 2D art form: and I believe it's important to acknowledge the reality that underpins that rhetoric: The reason why '3D is cheaper than 2D' is that 3D artists are exploited to a greater degree, and that's a framing which better acknowledegs that something that can be done to change that so-called 'fact'.

@@assassin8636 that the lack of 3D unionization and easily exploitable 3D labor made it more cost effective to the big corporations because it's cheaper than paying artists what they're actually worth

That's called Cel Shading

To be fair, Dale takes on a realistic CGI style for most of the movie, and considering jow he interacts with Chip, the latter being fully 2D would probably lead to them notninteracting right during production.

Not all of them are lazy man

yeah when it all comes down to it, 3d is just cheaper and more efficient, that's why the suits like it so much. if it were up to the artists we'd probably see a lot more hand drawn 2d though but they don't usually get to make the budget....

3D isn't appreciably cheaper... other than that 3D animators aren't unionized, and 2D animators were.

They had to work more so they had to get paid more. &if there's one thing large corporations hate it's paying employees.

As a previous 2D and now 3D animator, I don't think there's a big difference in how much we work. Just different skills being used.

thats not true, even now there are far more 2d animators then 3d - coming from an animator currently studying IDD at college

(Sigh) The greedy desire for the Golden Touch.

Are you saying you don't need money to live?

@@user-fx7mq9yl3p That's a weird way to twist my words.

@@Jarino507 so 3d movies are not creative? Pixar is the most creative studio in USA now

@@user-fx7mq9yl3p Both movies can exist concurrently. But since one is easier to produce we've lost an entire art form.

3d animation just needs more time to develop in my opinion just look how its evolved over the last decade and now with films like spider-verse it really shows the potential of 3D animation, The expressions have improved, the movements, and the rendering along with mixing with 2D in ways you can only imagine how good it could be in another 10 years. So i dont think nether is fundamentally better both can be just as good with enough time and effort

@@jaredrblx4940 I agree however 3d animation shines in movies like spider-verse because it's an action movie. 3d excels at special effects and movement, that's why we were all astonished with the snow magic in frozen and the great explotions in poss in boots 2. However 2d is the best at capturing human emotion and expressions, which is obviously better suited for the type of movies disney makes. The way traditionals animators talk about the character's journeys is very deep, as if they have formed an emotional connection with them

@@alexiacaceda1421spider verse is awful, tired of people pretending it’s somehow “revolutionized” modern animation when all it did was inspire a slew of imitators copying how they purposely turned everything choppy, added eye rapping colors, which pretty much made the whole thing a headache to watch

I don't think that's always the case with fully CGI movies. I do wish someone would take the CGI departments away from live action movies, however, because Marvel is especially lazy as a result of using CGI as a band-aid solution.

3d isn't laziness I'm tired of hearing this

@@assassin8636 same!!! 3D isn't the enemy!

People who think 3d animations, or anything that's remotely digital are easier than traditional are braindead. Ofc, digital art is easier than trad art i admit, but that doesn't mean the effort put into each art pieces are any different. 3d has its own cons and pros, same as 2d, it isn't all sunshines and rainbows where you can just sit back, relax, and adjusts a couple keyframes while you're at it.

@@V6HAVOC look, I felt like most post was clear, but I’ll elaborate. I have no problem with 3D animation as a medium. Obviously it still requires time and talent. I actually do have experience in animation (both 3D and 2D) and 3D is easier in many ways than traditional in terms of what you can do with it and how quickly you can do it. Think about it. 3D animation is essentially rigging digital puppets in a 3D environment. That’s why a company like Illumination can produce so much cheep content so frequently. It’s why there are so many god awful Alpha and Omega sequels. Traditional animation is drawing the same character over and over again hundreds of thousands of times. This is why for half a century, Disney had almost no competition in the theatrical movie department but suddenly tons of competition after the advent of CG animation. I didn’t say 3D is bad, I said in is easier to exploit which obviously will inspire lazy hack producers to create overly messy and creatively hollow projects.

Why does that suck? Japan is better at creating and telling stories than current Hollywood.

​@@roostre5254Exactly!

Not really just go watch things from other countries like France or Korea

Studio Gibli! Past their prime now but they were a force for 2D while Hollywood was giving up.

"What is europe"

I remember watching Beauty and the Beast for the first time, and saying at the end, “we just watched a classic for the first time.” It was quite striking and certainly heralded a new era of top notch movies from Disney. Sadly, I think that corporate decisions (largely greed) led to the awful series of live action remakes and other rather soulless offerings. Fortunately, we’ve also had Lin Manuel Miranda and the teams behind some spectacular offerings as well (eg Moana, Encanto). It’s been a mixed bag, and I don’t think it’s as simple as 2D vs 3D. But the studios have to want to care enough to pay animators, writers, and/or actors decently, and to spend the time to carefully develop the stories and bring the stories to life. “Fast. Good. Cheap: Pick any two” is a motto they’ve tried to ignore too much in recent years.

As far as the animation itself, I can't argue with you too much, if you're meaning the "most perfect Disney animations" - but I think Fantasia certainly merits serious consideration as being better animation than Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King, and having a better soundtrack as well. But most perfect animated film as a whole? Limiting the discussion to just Disney, and ignoring Pixar, I must give demerits to anything based on fairy tales (so much of Disney's animation I downgrade, because "based on existing fairy tale" stories just don't resonate with me, and seem to me to be somewhat lazy). So what do I consider to be very very good Disney animated films? Dumbo from early Disney, yes. Fantasia, not quite (the story is rather lacking or non-existent, but the animation and soundtrack are simply amazing). Beauty and the Beast, no (fairy tale story demerit, I can't ignore that). The Lion King, yes. But the best Disney animated film, in my opinion, doesn't have the best soundtrack (but it serves to animate and move the story along very well), the animation is actually very very good (but let's face it, lions and candelabras are always going to appear to be better animation than David Ogden Stiers' mad scientist character) - but captures the spirit of the "golden age" of animation from the early 1940's through the late 1950's perfectly, and has the meatiest story possible for a Disney animated film - Lilo and Stitch. But Scooby-Doo beat Lilo and Stitch at the box office (oh gawd, that was awful - read Roger Ebert's reviews of both of these films!)...so that didn't help Disney 2D animation at all. But, more to the point, the film that beat Lilo and Stitch at the Academy Awards that year for Best Animated Feature was, in my opinion, better than every Disney animated film I've ever seen, and much, much better than all the fairy tale ones - in animation, in story, but perhaps not in soundtrack - Spirited Away.

2d is alive and well. want 2D animation? Look up "gobelins student short films" or "senior thesis animated films" or "Lackadaisy" or Zeurel, or Amelia B, Animation memes typically have great animation in them, Music videos like The Wolf, Let's Go, and so many more. It is alive and it is thriving like never before. You don't need to wait a couple of decades to live in a golden age of 2D animation, you're living in it right now.

Same here!

There are SpongeBob on TV. Of course it's not dead 🤣

2D is already still popular and going through a golden period of international audience for anime. Look at demon slayer movie being the highest ever grossing film worldwide in 2020 over any Hollywood or Chinese film. And the boy and the heron winning the latest oscar for animation despite being one of the last 2D traditional hand drawn animation films. 2D is pumping in Japan and orher Asian countries but not the case in Western world.

don't worry, It's not dead. Look up "Gobelins student films" or "student thesis films animation" and you'll be filled to the brim with stunning 2D animation in no time. along with indie productions, like Lackadaisy, Zeurel's Monkey Wrench, and indie animators making multi animator projects (MAPs) or animated collabs, or animation memes, as well as music videos like "Delta," "The Wolf," or "Let's go!" 2D animation is absolutely alive

Well if you don't want to risk having your daughter grow up with an "all animated movies are 3D" mentality (like these studios have been wanting to force onto us for a whole decade now) then I would suggest not exposing our kids to so many of those movies if we have the experience and responsibility to want to encourage them to know the beauty in traditional 2D animation that our studios today just want to deprive them of.

@@nicksorenson940 can you like stop trying to be the authority on animation? It's getting extremely annoying and it's very clear to me that you aren't an animator

It's such an underrated movie. I'd love to see DreamWorks make a proper follow up.

They focusing too much on us audience,

Yes! I don't typically use Japan as a metric for 2d animation when arguing about animation but really they should broaden their horizons with animation

Yall just are not picking up what is being laid down. Most Japanese animation...is farmed out to Korea. Because like Disney in the 90's the economics is catching up in Asia. Studio Ghibli is no longer an animation studio...they are a production house. Most of the work is not done in house anymore, been that way for years.

Ghibli is hand drawing. Rest of anime are trash 2d cgi

It’ll never make a comeback if studios continue to stick with 3d films, they are profitable even if they don’t all make back their money, plus artists don’t hand draw their work anymore for big budgets on the big screen, you’d have to pay big money to even make a deal with artists and that’s just not gonna happen nowadays

Exactly. There’s also indie online animation that still uses 2D animation. And people are loving it. I think studios will consider bringing 2D back in theaters someday...

​@@ninjanibba4259for hollywod that is, 2d animation are still thrifing outside us

@@raisofahri5797 we need it IN the USA

@@ninjanibba4259 why so? Sure, it would be nice to have 2D animation here. But my reasoning is that it's nice for the artists to be able to have the opportunity to tell their stories. Other than that, I don't see any reason why you should care if it was made in the US or not.

I was thinking the same thing. I do 2D and 3D work and I can say that it's definitely not cheaper to make by any metric (though obviously there are situations where a the budget for one exceeds the other in some circumstances). There is more specialization involved, more things that can go wrong in the pipeline, requires additional tech to support whatever issues arrive in production, etc. It's a very... generalized statement that seems to ignore some very important underlying variables

By shipping work to Korea lol

These things almost never touch on that. People over here scream about "2D being dead" but ignore anime

That's just textured and unshadowed 3d object

@@G.A.C_Preserve not quite, it's a toon shader, that's why you can tell it's 3D, because it has two tone shadows

The stop motion claymation movie "Chicken Run" is getting a sequel and I was stoked to discover they are keeping the animation style of the original, that is so rare nowadays.

My name is never: troll

ooh good catch

Not even just anime but the whole rest of the world

Eh I dont see it in those 2 I would agree with you if you were speaking about the 2000s 3d films tho

The issue with using anime as a "is saving 2D animation" is that almost all of that money...is in merchandising. The animations themselves do not make a lot of many and are often farmed out to artists in countries like Korea just to be made to break even during production. So they can make the money back with merch sales.

Frustrating! But it's often intended by them, so that they don't have to adress the core criticism.

CG movies have a soul when they're well done, like spiderverse