Why Airless Tires Kinda Suck

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2 жыл бұрын

They really aren't the answer - but why is everyone talking about them?
Here’s a question... if normal road cars can beat some supercars in a traffic-light drag race, avoid crashes for you and even drive themselves, why on earth are we still using tyres that are full of air that can get punctures and can leave you stranded by the side of the motorway?
You pay hundreds of dollars for some new tyres, and they could be instantly rendered completely useless by a nail, some glass or even clipping a kerb in the wrong way.
And we’ve been promised a road version of these sci-fi space tyres that NASA are using - but that was nearly ten years ago - so where are they? And why can’t I get some fitted to my Volkswagen?
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Now, before we get into these fancy, new squishy tyres - we should talk about what we have now. Even though tyres may seem like just boring black doughnuts of rubber, they're actually very well designed.
On average they last around 30’000 miles, varying on whether they are on a driven axle or not - but that’s pretty good. And they produce less noise than ever, they have very good suspension characteristics, are most comfortable, and are very predictable to drive.
And by that - I mean that when you get near the limit of grip, they break into a slide gradually. This means that the average driver can feel this happening and correct it before things go wrong.
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@OVERDRIVE.studios 2 жыл бұрын

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@AhmadHassan-uk2ff 2 жыл бұрын

Nope, good ol' air for me please 😅

@azimpetra 2 жыл бұрын

Daily, sure.. those suspension spoke, might make it act sort of like a low profile tire.

@crackerdan8010 2 жыл бұрын

Who gives a f*ck how good they are on the track? one person in a million?

@gen3v8 2 жыл бұрын

No way. Sorry but i`m not a writer.

@rogerm3708 2 жыл бұрын

If this could be combined with air to adjust to different driving conditions, sure

@davidshipp623 2 жыл бұрын

I had the chance for a tour of a tyre factory about 20 years ago - I’ve never complained about tyre prices since, they are frankly amazing for all their faults.

@Matts42039 2 жыл бұрын

Why u spelling tire like that

@davidshipp623 2 жыл бұрын

@@Matts42039 because I am from the UK and that is how we spell tyre - personally I think tire looks ugly and I tire of it😂. No offence to our American neighbours across the pond by tyre is more colourful. (The u’s are added as we spell those words with them - I am adding to the bad joke of this) - Edit not sure why you name is appearing in the middle- not doing as I write it.

@ribbitism 2 жыл бұрын

@@Matts42039 To tire is to get tired etc. Tyre is the rubber hoop that goes on wheels. You're welcome for the English lesson.

@slavkosster 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the English lesson :)

@albanybestdrumline 2 жыл бұрын

@@ribbitism but a wheel isn’t a wheel without the tire it’s a rim before the tire gets on it *sarcasm*

@ABCDEFGHIJKELA... Жыл бұрын

I see these being *perfect* spare tires. Never worrying about checking the pressure in it, and how strong it can be at a light weight, taking up a slightly smaller area in a boot.

@-wang. Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@jimmahr.4665 7 ай бұрын

Now look at you big brain! (mean it in a good way lol), That would be good use.

@Isaac-ho8gh 6 ай бұрын

Nice! That'd be a great use for them for now.

@Terra_Lopez 2 ай бұрын

Why would it take up a slightly smaller area in a boot?

@ArgentPendragon 2 ай бұрын

@@Terra_LopezAirless tires could be compressed more tightly

@Kelnx 2 жыл бұрын

What seems to be a better option here is a hybrid tire. An air-filled tire with enough of these "spokes" inside to make them safe to drive on in case of a blowout, since the primary goal here is to reduce fatalities from high speed blow outs and also provide the ability to get to a shop and not be stranded with a flat. Hopefully such a tire would perform mostly like a normal air-filled tire, but simply have enhanced safety and reliability.

@hanzzel6086 Жыл бұрын

Basically an improved version of current run flat tires.

@PhirePhlame Жыл бұрын

Funny thing is, the French president had an attempt made on his life while driving in a Citroen DS, and that car's unique hydropneumatic suspension is supposedly what allowed his driver to take him off to safety despite all four tires having been shot out by the would-be assasins!

@spedenko765 Жыл бұрын

with how expensive that might be to make, it may not be worth it

@Kelnx Жыл бұрын

@@spedenko765 As someone who easily does 1000 miles in a week, to me it would absolutely be worth whatever cost. Of course I don't pay that cost as I drive a company vehicle, but still...the safety would be worth it to a company.

@neonzombielama Жыл бұрын

@@Kelnx I guess you and me work for very different types of companies.

@StrayGuitarist 2 жыл бұрын

My real concern is their performance on motorcycles. A big part of the reason we use air tires is because of the sidewall allowing for the lean, but it looks like these would compress too much, or have little to no grip as you lean on the bike.

@whodat4265 2 жыл бұрын

@@HOSPlTALLER you have to lean tho unless you wanna be going 5mph all the time

@saurabhraj2690 2 жыл бұрын

@@HOSPlTALLER Dude.. wtf are you even talking about?

@joshuaunland5031 2 жыл бұрын

Y’all @@HOSPlTALLER is joking. Chill

@whodat4265 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaunland5031 not really

@jettthorp9444 2 жыл бұрын

@@whodat4265 nah deadass he rly did say "perpendicular", either he's joking fr or he's planning on gyroscopes in motorcycles, which ngl would be pretty poggers my dude

@dansmith5524 2 жыл бұрын

I knew a man who worked for Armstrong Tires back in the early 1970's. While there he worked on a project to make tires that would never go flat using closed cell foam in place of air in the tire. When they were ready to Beta test the tires they selected a group of tire users who were particularly hard on tires, log truck operators. And a bunch of truck operators bought them with the guarantee that they would never go flat. The only problem was that even though the tires wouldn't go flat, the tread still had to be made of a compound soft enough to grip the road, so the tread would eventually wear out and the tire would have to be replaced. When the tires began to wear out the truck operators got mad and demanded a refund or threatened law suits because they thought "won't go flat" was the same as "lasts forever." And that's why every few years one tire company or another announces they have perfected tires that won't go flat but they never ever come on the market. They always find out that far too many people will equate "won't go flat" with "lasts forever" and either get mad when they wear out, or worse, drive them far past the point of being safe and then sue the tire company for the inevitable accident they have.

@Zaque-TV 2 жыл бұрын

That's so stupid lmao

@DaveCM 2 жыл бұрын

Some people are dumb

@keineahnung6124 2 жыл бұрын

@@DaveCMSome? Ha!

@juraj_b 2 жыл бұрын

that wouldn't stand in court. even american one

@reinbeers5322 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah some people drive on a set of tires until there's not even wire left. Fucking maniacs.

@vasekvi 2 жыл бұрын

What no one seems to mention with these new concept design of airless tires is, what happens when debris get trapped in the spokes of the tires themselves? This would result in the tire being unbalanced and would be a major problem. Perhaps a thin wall of rubber covering the spokes is what would be needed for a consumer version of these tires, and all the concepts are open design to showcase the difference between these and regular air filled tires.

@alexreitler 2 жыл бұрын

But if you think about it, it would be impossible to injection mold the tires with the spokes covered, they would need to be added separately, but then there is another problem: when you hit a curb with your wheel, it might rip off that layer covering the spokes It is very hard to cover those easily and reliably, no current airless tires have their spokes covered, not at NASA, not in army prototypes, not on electric scooters

@jeffthomas3707 2 жыл бұрын

These are prototypes, the production model will have sidewalls. Michelin already confirmed this.

@alexreitler 2 жыл бұрын

@@harambe7221 I am more worried about mud, wet mud will stay for a while between the spokes

@koastal312 2 жыл бұрын

@@harambe7221 Yes even slight imbalance in wheels will cause vibration and accelerate tire wear especially at high speed. Thats why tire shops will balance your wheel after installing new tires

@macaron3141592653 2 жыл бұрын

Im like 92% sure this is already the plan

@Andyisgodcky 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen some lawnmowers that use airless tires, lets the lawn crew get over curbs very easily without it being a jarring transition. It was very neat.

@spicydramarama852 Жыл бұрын

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:16, 17

@Chris-nn3vu Жыл бұрын

Why are you spelling tyre like that?

@Andyisgodcky Жыл бұрын

@@Chris-nn3vu because "tire" is its proper spelling?

@Andyisgodcky Жыл бұрын

@@wockhardt69 Your point?

@enso8762 Жыл бұрын

@@wockhardt69 not just america, it's the same in a few asian countries i've lived in

@dakarpsi 2 жыл бұрын

I remember reading about these in popular mechanics 20 years ago, they were saying they should be on the market by 2010. At this point I feel like it's never going to happen

@bscutajar Жыл бұрын

We were supposed to colonise Mars by 2020

@Trainboy1EJR Жыл бұрын

Oh hey, remember the flying cars of the 70’s? LOL, many of the things that were supposed to be out 50 years ago are still in beta tests today, having gone through 3-30 different companies all who probably had to abandon projects because of patents from other companies.

@zisha01 Жыл бұрын

That's because companies like Michelin don't give a shit. It's going to take another Tesla, bulldozing its way through the morass of knuckle-dragging fossils.

@chivasbarca Жыл бұрын

Michelin just announced they will be released next year for the public

@sparksmcgee6641 3 ай бұрын

Everything from a lab is 5 to 10 years to market.😅😅😅😅😅

@rictoectol9814 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly: I’d be happy with a airless tire that’s safe and reliable for 50K miles designed to stay under 90mph. I don’t drive faster that 85 anyway.

@ant7699 2 жыл бұрын

Well, it doesn't look like youll get one anytime soon IMO. I think with the problem of load spreading... Trapped Debris and also fatigue and splitting of the rubberised spokes after time, were all going to be better off putting up with the occasional puncture...

@ErectileSceptile 2 жыл бұрын

I hit 140 mph on a semi regular basis - up to no good on the free way 👀. Still I think airless tires are cool and want to see where the technology goes. The fact that they are spikestrip proof is a huge selling point

@GregaMeglic 2 жыл бұрын

@@ant7699 As far as i know only concept tires dont have side panels. Once and mostly IF they ever get to market, it has been confirmed, that it will have the sides covered, so nothing can really get stuck in there.

@joe1071 2 жыл бұрын

@@ErectileSceptile hahaha, run from the cops much?

@toniadvanced7726 2 жыл бұрын

Laughing in German.

@rolerroleris533 2 жыл бұрын

Well, the normal tires have close to a centuries worth of innovation and maturity, so these airless one have a lot of catching up to do, but the potential benefits are there. I guess it's more likely that some kind of hybrid will get more popular if it ever comes out, but it would be nice to have less waste with longer lasting tires, even if it means making a few concessions on the performance side.

@quengmingmeow 2 жыл бұрын

So true……tire engineering is built on multiple decades of amassed knowledge. These people aren’t showing up to work everyday to “re-invent the wheel”. At this point, if they make a very small, incremental improvement over the previous version, that means a successful year.

@timothystamm3200 2 жыл бұрын

I could see it as the internal skeleton of air tires incase you have a puncture.

@pavelshevchenko4848 2 жыл бұрын

I think the reality is that most people don’t care about performance that much. Yes, it adds to safety of course, but I’m sure most drivers would prefer to reduce their expenditures on tires and such than having more grip and stuff

@Syllaren 2 жыл бұрын

@@pavelshevchenko4848 lived in a totally broke family, my dad never cheaped out on the tires. It's a good way to lose your entire family not paying attention to grip and safety.

@pavelshevchenko4848 2 жыл бұрын

@@Syllaren valid

@jimbrown5091 2 жыл бұрын

The tweel has found a good use on commercial mowing equipment. They don't go flat and traction is far less of an issue on relatively slow moving mowers. I don't see them overtaking pneumatic tires anytime soon.

@Skrenja Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen them on golfcarts too.

@bbuny10 2 жыл бұрын

I can imagine a hybrid design where this concept is essentially fitted around a regular conventional tire

@oceanbytez847 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing but, there may be reasons this isn't done. I would assume all the compression needs to happen at the air tire part and the outer airless part needs to be rigid in order to actually gain the protective benefits this design aims for. This just doesn't sound like a great design though because it adds too many cpmplex systems and gets the flaws from both while also potentially introducing its own unique flaws and doesn't fix much in exchange.

@carlosandleon 2 жыл бұрын

I think production versions cover the exposed bit, making it look like a normal tire

@jondoe2247 2 жыл бұрын

Run flats?

@bean3243 2 жыл бұрын

Would be too heavy

@MrEazyE357 2 жыл бұрын

@@carlosandleon Yeah, they're definitely not gonna be exposed like that. Can you imagine all the crap getting stuck in them?

@greese007 2 жыл бұрын

This Michelin effort has been in progress for a lot longer than 10 years. I was an engineer by trade, before retiring 20 years ago. I was involved in producing industrial tire yarns, used in the manufacture of pneumatic tires, and we were aware of Michelin's program about 30 years ago, since it threatened our business. I also once attended a conference on the design and development of pneumatic tires, and came away highly impressed with the level of sophisticated engineering. Tires are one of the most highly engineered and evolved composites in modern industry. It will be a real challenge to improve on at, while maintaining the level of performance and low cost. I don't expect it to happen very soon..

@spicydramarama852 Жыл бұрын

@sverkerolausson2252 Жыл бұрын

@@spicydramarama852 bruh

@tristanwilson1186 Жыл бұрын

@Sverker Olausson that's what I'm saying lol

@ChlorideCull Жыл бұрын

To be fair, they don't need to exactly "maintain the level of performance and low cost", they need to be better for the scenario you're buying for, and that "can't be popped" factor can compensate a lot! I expect them to show up in the off-road tire market first, since changing tires in the mud is a royal pain in the ass, and well worth the money to avoid

@xcel1428 2 жыл бұрын

Airless tires are awesome, had the privilege of driving a truck with them except the set i drove on had side walls. There was no over excessive roll and the drive was really smooth.

@0MVR_0 2 жыл бұрын

so you think you are funny

@vladimirtiffany 2 жыл бұрын

@@0MVR_0 they wernt making a joke

@0MVR_0 2 жыл бұрын

@@vladimirtiffany An airless tire with walls on the sides is the conventional version

@comicbookguy2326 Жыл бұрын

@@0MVR_0 no it's not lol

@0MVR_0 Жыл бұрын

@@comicbookguy2326 Then I withdraw the relevant statements.

@coolbionicle 2 жыл бұрын

The thing that makes me turn down this technology is that pneumatic tires distributes the load evenly thorough the enire wheel because it's the air pressure inside the tire that transfers the load. With these aiirless type of tires no matter how efficient the support structure might be the force on the wheel will always be localized to the area where the tire meets the floor, this reduces the wheel's life dramatically. The best use for this thechnology is to merge both into one, having pneumatic tires with a mild supporting structure inside. Since now tire valves are equipped with pressure sensors you can get a tire popped but not end up stranded inmediately because the tire still works, albeit limited, with the sensor warning you of the tire failure so you can get it fixed or replaced.

@Apoch86 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Both is the answer. This would be an amazing advancement of modern tires, to have supporting structures inside the tire.

@jacobbarefoot8457 2 жыл бұрын

You just reinvented run flat tires lol

@TheCrushingDonuts 2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobbarefoot8457 I was just about to say run flats have been around for ages. After a tyre pops they can go 200km before you're running on the rims

@thysonsacclaim 2 жыл бұрын

Not an issue if they last long enough. They aren't meant to last forever. Just as long as a normal tire probably. If they do that, with similar performance, and aren't susceptible to going flat, then it's a win regardless.

@tomgnyc 2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised he didn't mention force transfer across the tire in pneumatic tires. Doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. Also, sensorless tires are gonna be the thing soon. They detect flats by the difference in rotational speeds. A lot of cars are already doing it.

@Paul.Gallant 2 жыл бұрын

I'm curious to see how it will work in winter conditions. I suspect there might be ice build up in the tire structure which may cause imbalance.

@Nordlicht05 2 жыл бұрын

We will see. Maybe they only sell summer tires or use some coverage.

@Anon_jonn 2 жыл бұрын

I think the final product will be sealed

@atk05003 2 жыл бұрын

I suspect the commercial version would have a sidewall to protect the spokes. These open versions look like show pieces intended to show off how they work. Aside from debris entering the gaps and causing trouble, I suspect the airflow past these gaps would create a ton of noise at speed.

@jonumine6250 2 жыл бұрын

@@Anon_jonn Old wheel designs seeing the new tires are also pressurized: "You got so far... but where did it lead you? back to me!"

@pflaffik 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonumine6250 Nice cringe.

@phillcc8524 2 жыл бұрын

consider , the standard "balloon" tyre exerts pressure equally in all directions , air causes the tyre to grip the rim , stopping it peeling off under cornering or "side load" conditions and braking , it also has volume but not "mass" hence the "light"weight, the airless tyre is heavy , has to have mechanical attachment to the rim and has a "dead" feel because of the "unsprung " weight , compressed air has a natural "spring"effect that counters this , plus the grip because of this "pressure"is something the airless will never have

@Noone-of-your-Business 2 жыл бұрын

Quite on the contrary, I was really surprised how little impact a flat tire makes to my run-of-the-mill everyday car. I had not even noticed in city traffic that one of my tires had gone flat - a neighboring driver told me through the window at the traffic lights. Granted, on the highway, I would most likely have noticed myself, but at around 30mph on smooth tarmac, I did not! No audible rumble, no tremble in the steering wheel, no pull to one side, nothing. Shows me how well designed all the _other_ components of wheels and suspensions are these days.

@TheJacklikesvideos Жыл бұрын

bruh we did a balloon race in science class. one kid used old HDD discs with bearings for wheels. one unscrewed immediately and the thing continued perfectly straight and level and came first for distance. the only other components were toothpicks and a piece of cardboard. nothing to do with advanced engineering. your car just becomes a three legged stool instead of a four legged one.

@brycetaylor3418 2 жыл бұрын

The title is misleading. From the video, it seems the jury is still out on how these perform. In fact, at 8:00, he said they could offer the best of both world, good traction and precise steering. Eliminating the risk of high speed blowout is a huge benefit, not just for cars and motorcycles, but also bikes I'm a cyclist, had a blowout this summer that could've killed me. It's early still, but I'm excited to see where these are going.

@JNCressey 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm gonna have to dislike the video. I didn't see him deliver on the titles claim of how airless tires suck.

@alejandrobasaldua5930 2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately this is a very common trend on KZfaq videos, even in good ones.

@vsm1456 2 жыл бұрын

Bryce, I think motorcycle tyres need to be quite different. A car tyre has flat profile while a motorcycle tyre has a round profile, so that when you lean in a corner the tyre still has similar contact patch and similar grip, and that also means different kinds of deformations compared to a car tyre.

@pbilk 2 жыл бұрын

@@alejandrobasaldua5930 If it was phrased as a question then it would be more accurate.

@jasexavier 2 жыл бұрын

There are airless tires available for bicycles now, and they do suck, quite badly. Yes, they never go flat, but the ride and handling is garbage. One thing not mentioned here is that the entire volume of air in the tire functions to absorb every shock, because the entire volume is compressed in that instant. An airless tire only uses the volume of tire directly in line between the hub and contact patch to absorb a shock. That means the shock absorbing ability of those spokes needs to be many many times greater than the same volume of air.

@luiskp7173 2 жыл бұрын

10 years? I’ve been seeing similar tyres concepts back when I used to read Popular Mechanics in the 90’s.

@MrTheHillfolk 2 жыл бұрын

Just saw these on a skid steer or some small piece of equipment today.

@klausstock8020 2 жыл бұрын

Lol. That car concept in an 1957 issue of Popular Mechanics had no tyres at all.

@nathanielhoward2642 2 жыл бұрын

This is up there with fusion energy. It’ll always be 10 years away.

@Markle2k 2 жыл бұрын

Our host was looking forward to entering pre-school in 1990.

@DemPilafian 2 жыл бұрын

All you snarky people are clearly from the future. We are currently in the era before KZfaq.

@faidaimaidai 2 жыл бұрын

I thought about also encasing the sides of these tires, so there would be a possibility of having these rubber structures and air inside the same tire, in case the tire gets punctured, the tire won’t be completely useless since the pressure would just go to the rubber structures inside

@confused.cat. 2 жыл бұрын

I thought about that too, just not the air part

@EreezMusic Жыл бұрын

Incredibly informative. I've been curious about this. Thank you

@briannaa5612 2 жыл бұрын

I actually saw these on a small excavator . Makes perfect sense that it would work well for huge high weight low speed construction applications. You don't have to wory about stuff gettibg stuck in the spokes at 5 mph and it carries large weight better than a typical hige thick construction tire.

@dilldowschwagginz2674 2 жыл бұрын

I have a skid loader with airless tires. Never had a problem but, like you said, the loader doesn't break 10 MPH

@johnusas2870 2 жыл бұрын

I worked with an army prototype equipment carrier; used to integrate into infantry platoons, and they used these tires. Now they only weighed about 700lbs but driving then though forest/swamp and then 25mph on road I never had an issue with them.

@michaelmaroney1660 2 жыл бұрын

You'd be shocked to see how well they perform on high performance off road vehicles

@KomboAndy 2 жыл бұрын

Just force Pirelli to make them standard in F1. Those things would be bullet proof as heck

@David-lr2vi 2 жыл бұрын

Forcing them to be used in racing would turbocharge development of them!

@bookle5829 2 жыл бұрын

I think rally would do the job too

@MrPLC999 2 жыл бұрын

So...why do they suck? I must have missed that somewhere. Give me a MM:SS if you saw it.

@KomboAndy 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrPLC999 heat management is very... complicated and the lateral g forces would probably obliterate the tyres. Also Setup is more complicated because you have no pressure to adjust.

@Sweedster 2 жыл бұрын

And cost 30k each

@vageliswrc6050 2 жыл бұрын

Another problem would be the absence of adjustability of cornering stiffness by tire inflation. Tire pressure is very easy to change, thus, constitutes a great tool for car's balance adjustment. Also, a problem would be the weight variance (e.g. from city driving to roadtrips) that requires adjustability of the stiffness. I think that there are a lot of challenges but, the concept is great!

@melody3741 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of that adjustability comes from the shock absorbers not just the tires. Nobody i know EVER adjusts them. Worst case you can just use the appropriate tire for your road area

@vageliswrc6050 2 жыл бұрын

@@melody3741 Of course tire pressure isn't the only tool for balancing the car. Springs, ARB stiffness, roll center, camber, damper's bump and rebound are only a few of the tools used but adjusting the tire pressure is the easiest for a daily driver. Plus the fact that absorbers don't influence the steady state response of the car. Also, don't forget the difference between curb and gross weight.

@JH-qy7zw Жыл бұрын

The only people I know regularly changing pressures for their tires are off roaders (mud/sand/rocks) I’ve never met/heard of anyone regularly changing their tire pressure between city/road trips. You’d be the first.

@vageliswrc6050 Жыл бұрын

@@JH-qy7zw Whether you have heard someone do it or not the right thing to do for a car is to vary the pressure according to the car load so that you maintain the right contact patch! Look at your car 's door (usually) and you will see what pressures the manufacturer suggests for each condition.

@Spectre-wd9dl Жыл бұрын

@@vageliswrc6050 that might be true but I doubt most people are adding or subtracting 1000s of lbs from their car. A few hundred won't make a difference.

@user-gy2cb2rt4y 2 ай бұрын

I've had 6 blowouts, several on the freeway going almost 80mph. It is very hard trying to change a tire when you have speeding cars and trucks flying by. If there are good airless tires available, that can handle high speeds and take turns without getting out of place, I'm all for that.

@triadwarfare 2 жыл бұрын

Replacing these tires along with the rim tells me that each replacement would be a hefty investment. It is unknown if they'd offer a trade in program for worn out tires, because if they don't, they'll end up at the same landfill as the air tires themselves.

@jaydunbar7538 2 жыл бұрын

They can get retread, so yes it would also likly have a core charge. What your describing is already the system used for commercial truck tires.

@goodguykonrad3701 2 жыл бұрын

But you'd be replacing them less often, and a smart company would work out how to refit a worn tread and spokes to an existing rim

@Alucard-gt1zf 2 жыл бұрын

@@jaydunbar7538 how many of the garages near you have a retreading machine?

@tippyc2 2 жыл бұрын

@@jaydunbar7538 Video said they'd get sent back to Michelin to get the retread. Sounds expensive to ship these things back to France to be re-worked. There would also be legal barriers to cross, at least there would be in the USA, where retreads on passenger cars have been outlawed for decades.

@ska042 2 жыл бұрын

@@tippyc2 The thing is, you can retread air tires just fine. There are companies that do it, and their performance has been verified independently.

@crisrose9707 2 жыл бұрын

my main point of thought is tyre pressures. with a standard tyre you fill or empty it depending on temperature AND how much weight it is loaded with. if you have no air you cant control how stiff the tyres are. if you have a small hatchback it could be like riding on concrete wheels but if you have an suv towing a trailer you could be riding on your hubs with the tyres fully compressed. I'm interested to see how they manage this!

@bongocat5223 2 жыл бұрын

Surely they could design the tyres for a cars kerb weight, or for an effective load rather than a psi rating

@crisrose9707 2 жыл бұрын

@@bongocat5223 that would certainly be one way of doing it but I think it would be unlikely that people would buy another set of the correct weight wheels just for when they go somewhere with a loaded up car. there was a point in the video though where they re-treaded the tyres while they were on the car. perhaps you have a roll on tyre change station that weighs the car and fits the right wheels for you so you don't need 2 or 3 sets of wheels and have to change them yourself.

@GlockGrippa 2 жыл бұрын

Im sure while Michelin are researching about a new tyre they have taken this into account. Maybe that's where a lot of the issue comes from? My best guess is they'll develop the spokes between the wheel and tyre to resist more weight as and when it is added, so the more weight it detects, or the more load it comes under the stiffer the spokes become to compensate. No idea how they'd do that, but that's my best guess for how they'd get round it. Either that or they sell the tyres with much lower load ratings.

@bongocat5223 2 жыл бұрын

@@crisrose9707 they could also create progressive tyres, so the harder you crush them the stronger they resist. The technology exists and that would sort the issues above

@djphatb 2 жыл бұрын

Progressive sounds nice but for ofroad use it's not about being Progressive but about being able to adapt your pressure to the terrain and the situation. They would also have to be closed tyres and not these open spokes. The open spokes would be terrible for offroad driving in muddy conditions.

@deputydillhole 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure the airless tires would add a great deal of weight and rotating mass, greatly reducing fuel mileage and reducing the life of other components such as wheel bearings, brakes, and suspension parts.

@jypsridic 2 жыл бұрын

maybe, maybe not. If it takes the same amount of rubber to make the walls strong enough to be pressurized and handle the spikes during impacts then the overall weight wouldn't change much at all, they also don't need the steel mesh apparently so that would save a lot of weight too. I think more of the mass looks like it would be closer to the axis of rotation too, which would lessen the impact but I have literally no way to make any measurements meaningfully.

@deputydillhole 2 жыл бұрын

@@jypsridic The finished product would need sidewalls too as cars are driven through mud and snow which would greatly throw off the balance. I'd imagine it would need a belt of some sort to keep it round without getting wonky, or splitting between the supprt columns. The inability to regulate the stiffness would bring on another layer of issues such as bad fuel economy or traction. I'm not against the idea but fear that it creates more issues than it solves.

@jypsridic 2 жыл бұрын

@@deputydillhole if they attached it at the outer and inner rims I don't think it would be a major issue. I think the ideal will be pressurized chambers that have enough rubber to be structurally sound but use air for most of the shock dampening but where like 15 of the cells could get damaged without noticing the difference.

@deputydillhole 2 жыл бұрын

@@jypsridic I agree that a hybrid would be more ideal but kind of defeat the purpose.

@jypsridic 2 жыл бұрын

@@deputydillhole they'd be low enough pressure to not blow out, rigid enough from the rubber to not go flat, bouncy enough from the air to deal with heat. Losing a cell would just result in a small bump on every rotation, which would be annoying but safe.

@terrafound 2 жыл бұрын

Jay Leno has a video about his 1916 Autocar Coal Truck. It still has the original tires! He said they vulcanized the rubber while attaching it the rim. It's a solid tire. They still function fine after 100 years (for going 20 MPH anyway)

@crocodile2006 2 жыл бұрын

$1000 Per Tyre every 2 years(because the rubber will still wear) to save $20 on a puncture. Seems legit.

@alexfodor8066 2 жыл бұрын

When was the last time you punctured a sidewall and it only cost you $20?

@adamt3332 2 жыл бұрын

@@alexfodor8066 some say when you puncure a side wall you should not repair it... and a standard puncture happens frome time to time

@joshnabours9102 2 жыл бұрын

When you puncture the corner between the sidewall and the tread it is not possible to properly patch a tire.

@snaplash 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like it might be a good system for retreads. Instead of buying a whole new wheel & tire combo, you take it to a shop with a machine that uses fingers inserted into the spokes to bend them even more, shrinking the outside diameter enough to slide the old tread off and push a new one on. Release the spokes, and it expands again, locking the tread against longitudinal ribs on the wheel portion. A machine like this could change the tire portion in a few seconds, with little skill required.

@sosteve9113 2 жыл бұрын

Very good point

@philipgrice1026 2 жыл бұрын

When Michelin introduced the first radial tire, the Michelin X, I tried some on a car that I raced and rallied. They were fantastic in that the grip compared to cross ply tires was phenomenal. But when they lost grip, usually at very high speed in a corner, they lost it in an instant and worse, did not regain grip until the car was nearly stopped, either by my braking or a track limiting barrier. I used them for endurance racing and on my trans-European travels for the tow car. The wear was minimal and the fuel efficiency was fantastic. But as other radials came on the market I switched to some of them. Pirellis didn't wear well but the transition at high slip angles was awesome. Dunlops were the best in the rain but Goodyear performed best overall, provided you buffed half the tread away before fitting. So, what's the point of my diatribe? Just look at how good even the cheapest tires perform today. Michelin pioneered the radial tire and are considered one of the best tire manufacturers today. I'm confident that they will succeed. Eventually. I am sure people will be driving on airless tires in the near future and certainly on heavy vehicles where the benefits are greatest. Buses, trucks, HGVs, etc will use airless first and Ferrari's and Lambo's probably last. But they will use them eventually. I'd put them on my 39,000 lb GVW RV now if I could.

@tikibubba7360 2 жыл бұрын

Very well worded. I know next to nothing about tires lol, so reading your comment was very educational for me! Kudos!

@PiOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

Tyre

@handlemonium 2 жыл бұрын

As a cyclist these will be a huge improvement in safety. In a standard car you have the redundancy of four tires on four rims. A bike? One goes out and the rider goes flying 🦐

@kameronmyles2013 2 жыл бұрын

@michelin

@iamacatperson7226 2 жыл бұрын

@@PiOfficial people spell it differently, you still know what they mean

@zanix81 Жыл бұрын

Idk about any other country but American tires never get punctured except in very rare specific situations. They have very clever engineering and use parts of metal to help them.

@DrakeKillah 2 жыл бұрын

Tyres and brakes are the two things that we seemingly got so damned right early on, they're extremely hard to improve upon. There have been some small improvements, but the base principles are unchanged for both air-filled tires and hydraulic brakes, for around 100 years.

@GrumpyMunkyGameDesign Жыл бұрын

ABS, Discs over drums, pneumatic slave cylinders, hydraulic actuators, carbon ceramic components, the principle of slamming two solid lumps of matter against a spinning mechanism mighht not have changed but brakes have been constantly updated over the last century and only really in the last 30 years or so reached their peak potential, a 100 year old drum braking system is hardly comparable to a pneumatically actuated computer controlled anti lock braking system to the point where they both share commonality but are leagues apart. Its like comparing modern wheel designs to old horse drawn carraiges, yeah theyre both solid circles and hence follow the same design principles but a modern alloy wheel couldnt be any further removed from its wooden ancestors! Same with tyre technology. We neither got them right early on nor stopped improving them so that statement is demonstrably fallacious. Thats like saying two pieces of bread slapped together is the same as a turkey club sandwich. Sure its still two pieces of bread but theres a damn sight more thought, preparation and research going into it that changes the entire concept of what a 'sandwich' can be.

@TheJacklikesvideos Жыл бұрын

@@GrumpyMunkyGameDesign same story with tires. they're not wagon wheels, and the amount of engineering put into them over the years has added up.

@stankushner1073 2 жыл бұрын

so, living in Canada, any month with an "r" in it could experience snow. Driving through snow on airless tires will undoubtedly cause some snow to accumulate inside the tire. when driving, tires tend to warm up so once there is snow accumulating inside the tire and the car stops, the snow will likely start melting and because the ambient temperature is freezing. the melting snow will also freeze. How will this affect wheel and tire balance?

@x98ccj 2 жыл бұрын

I can see the slush getting inside the tire and freezing solid. Perhaps even freezing the tire to the ground if you park when it is warmer and it turns cold at night

@percyfaith11 2 жыл бұрын

Michein has already confirmed there will be sidewalls. Sheesh, it's a non issue.

@RayleighCriterion 2 жыл бұрын

The ERW wheel has sidewalls and negative pressure.

@jaypaans3471 2 жыл бұрын

That a f*ing good question!

@x98ccj 2 жыл бұрын

@@percyfaith11 That would make a huge difference ...

@CollinWillson 2 жыл бұрын

I work at the high performance Michelin plant (cup 2, pilot super,etc.) and the innovation in tires is crazy. The tweel/uptis tire is made at the same plant I work at. The way they are made would blow your mind.

@YourLocalRaccoon 2 жыл бұрын

Do enlighten us good sir

@sarajanot7054 2 жыл бұрын

Only concern I have is if mud or dirt get lodged in the ribs and unbalance the tire

@YourLocalRaccoon 2 жыл бұрын

@@sarajanot7054 most likely you'd be able to just use a hose/power washer to clean them out

@DanielRevay 2 жыл бұрын

@@YourLocalRaccoon sure let me get the hose when i notice heavy vibration on the highway

@YourLocalRaccoon 2 жыл бұрын

@@DanielRevay there could also be some kind of flexible tough skin on the outside that would prevent anything from getting into the holes

@johnvance882 2 жыл бұрын

My grandpa just bought a new lawnmower with these tires, they’re really cool to look at and don’t get stuck in the mud as easily either!

@ishmael4489 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, especially what you were saying near the end of the video re possibly getting the best of both worlds (grip and precision in corners). And I like the idea of having different tyre designs specifically made for different purposes.

@stephentroyer3831 2 жыл бұрын

This has been "about to hit the market" for a while. I remember reading about tires like this 10 years ago. Then they showed up on slow moving heavy equipment and skid loaders. Never saw one on a road car, and idk why not.

@MrDICKHEAD28 2 жыл бұрын

I SPOTTED ONE IN THE WILD IN LAS VEGAS IT WAS A CITY OWNED FLEET CAR I BELIEVE IT WAS A CIVIC THAT WAS 2 MONTHS AGO

@muhammad4779 2 жыл бұрын

i think its because then companies might lose profits

@jmason2838 2 жыл бұрын

Hi ..so .you don't know why these airless tires aren't readily available for consumers? Allow me to elaborate on why ....all just my humble opinion here ....All spike strips used by Law Enforcement would then be rendered useless..worldwide..🌐 😱..All criminals would be having a field day , jumping for joy🤸🤸🤸🤸🎊🎉🎊🎁 with these puncture - proof tires 😱😵..maybe not a good thing for society , especially now in this increasingly - berserk world..😵 something to consider .. Does this world really need to help the criminal be more dangerous ?!?🤔😳🤯

@invidatauro8922 Жыл бұрын

@@muhammad4779 Why? Tires wear out through daily use pretty regularly. Not everything is a conspiracy or corporations keeping you down. Sometimes new ideas either aren't that good and get abandoned, or take longer than people thought.

@olekaarvaag9405 2 жыл бұрын

I can totally see tires like this becoming the norm on normal road cars in the not too distant future. I can't imagine those at a track though. I can't imagine them to be lighter, stiff or soft enough in the different areas to outperforme regular tires, but who knows. It'll be fun to see the progression over the coming years.

@AverageAlien 2 жыл бұрын

depressing garbage. That shit isn't going on my car that's for sure

@jonasgrill1155 2 жыл бұрын

@@AverageAlien wow! This person hates progress! They're so cool !!

@AverageAlien 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonasgrill1155 Lmfao progress my ass. This is regress.

@AverageAlien 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonasgrill1155 Progress apparently means more pussy ass safety features for garbage drivers

@crazymannxl 2 жыл бұрын

@@AverageAlien actual caveman

@davecool42 Жыл бұрын

They’ve been working on these for decades. I remember demos back when I was in high school in the ‘90s. It’s such a cool idea, I hope they figure it out soon.

@sw00tyt-aqacoller73 Жыл бұрын

tires are best on tire4coin

@PrinceRoyceFan667 Жыл бұрын

I've seen this everywhere on tire videos. They're bots

@deeprod2592 Жыл бұрын

@@PrinceRoyceFan667 yes, it may be a bot or a hacked account, either way it's a spam

@marklivingstone3710 Жыл бұрын

I remember seeing an article for a new type of tyre , primarily for military vehicle applications. Superficially, it looked like a normal tyre. Inside it was almost solid but with about a thousand or so air bubbles. To ‘puncture’ the tyre you would have to effectively puncture it in a thousand place simultaneously, but even then, you could still run the vehicle in its damaged state because of how solid the tyre was. You would actually need to sever and shred the tyre to stop the vehicle. The problems with it were, it gave a very firm ride and, in 1978 were expected to cost around $4000 per tyre (in 1978 you could buy a new car for less…..not a good car but a new car 😂). Time to revisit either the Flintstones or the Jetsons 😊

@sergarlantyrell7847 2 жыл бұрын

I'd be worried about the fatigue life of those springs as well as how their spring constants change with temperature (as I would expect them to get a lot softer as the temperature increases).

@mustafahakansandk7747 Жыл бұрын

Glass fibre reinforced plastic parts have shockingly long fatigue lives. They are used as springs, so there is some accumulated field experience. Also, their stiffnesses are pretty much temperature-independent, as long as they are used in terranean conditions, because the glass-fibres are the components providing the stiffness.

@somedandy7694 2 жыл бұрын

I ride an electric unicycle, where changing tires literally involves ripping the ENTIRE unit apart then doing a bicycle-style tire change. I want to see these kinds of puncture-proof tires with that technology.

@foxxy46213 2 жыл бұрын

lol with a name like some dandy an electronic unicycle is the perfect mode of transportation

@somedandy7694 2 жыл бұрын

@@foxxy46213 I'd love a Penny Farthing bicycle to go along with my top hat and waxed mustache (the dandy's best friend), but alas! Penny Farthings are $3000 for a base model.

@somedandy7694 2 жыл бұрын

@Joey Hext I'm going on a year, now. They're an awesome little bit of technology. But like I said, I REALLY wish they had a puncture-proof tire or an easier changing process.

@TakBonez 2 жыл бұрын

@@somedandy7694 they have airless bike tires

@somedandy7694 2 жыл бұрын

@@TakBonez Are they the 20-inch X 2-inch types that would fit an electric unicycle (and accommodate speeds of up to 30 mph)? If so...TAKE MY MONEY!

@jer103 4 ай бұрын

We are conditioned to only have tires for cars. Since cars first came out, we have only used tires. It's probably the #1 reason why we haven't innovated to something better.

@michaelwalsh9881 2 жыл бұрын

They go great on an off-road track (that is not designed for speed) The ones I have used in the military were great at low speed and really comfortable off-road

@GrumpyMunkyGameDesign Жыл бұрын

This is where i see these tyres shining. Military, less maintenance, less risk of the vehicle being out of action due to a flat, less vulnerable to small arms, etc and etc, for road vehicles maybe not the solution rn, but for military uses, the worlds your oyster.

@rodrigodepierola 2 жыл бұрын

"Black Donuts of Rubber" will be the name of my electro-salsa band and "Good Ol' Air" the name of our first single. Great video. I'd forgotten about those airless tires. Even in electric scooters, with much less demanding work, airless "honeycomb" tires are still second-rate

@planet6393 2 жыл бұрын

How about the sticky Rick band?

@elultimo102 2 жыл бұрын

"An innertube is a black rubber bagel." ---I saw that somewhere in the '70s.

@spencerignatescue158 2 жыл бұрын

The main problem will be making a material that can handle both vertical and horizontal stress for a very large amount of time. It would be fine if the car was in constant motion but once you leave it in one place for a long period of time the materials will begin to alter form due to the constant stress on that particular area of the tire and it not being equally distributed (like when driving).

@Xoilen Жыл бұрын

Eh, simple fix, just make sure your car is lifted off the ground whenever you park, it’s what I do.

@kaytlinjustis5643 Жыл бұрын

It's also the reason why tires need a certain amount of air pressure to come in contact with the ground, anyway. With the market pushing out giant frigates, I'm not sure if these 'Airless Tires' will be good with an extraordinary amount of weight involving trucks and the added loads involving construction and the like! As cool as these new tires are, I'm still iffy about it!

@fredashay Жыл бұрын

Yes! I would! Definitely! In a heartbeat! I'm sick and tired of tires going flat every few weeks and having to constantly put air in them. IDC if they're loud and stiff and inefficient and can't be driven aggressively! I'm not a race driver and I don't push my car to its limits. I'd pay dearly for a set of airless tires, even with all their faults!

@Manipendeh 10 ай бұрын

Those tyres are currently being used on public roads in France by delivery drivers as a long-term test phase. This is coming ever closer to reality

@steveo288 2 жыл бұрын

The fact they don't estimate a price on these tires tells me it will be high, possibly very high.

@ErectileSceptile 2 жыл бұрын

Easily $1000 per wheel

@buttgazer123 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldnt it be a good idea to add the design inside the tire? So when it inevitably gets flat, the wheel just relies on the inside? It would add weight but it would be interesting to see how it handles and lasts.

@fredericli357 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. That's already a thing. They're called run-flat tires.

@shadaris3384 2 жыл бұрын

@@fredericli357 partially. most run flats just have a much stronger sidewall in place of a full support system built in the tire.

@crystalbluewire3339 2 жыл бұрын

@Bytsize. .Great point. Best one by the way. Thanks.

@cranelord 2 жыл бұрын

That would add a lot of additional weight. Wheel weight is a big factor in fuel mileage and power.

@firstsurname9893 2 жыл бұрын

@@cranelord The extra weight of run-flat tyres is almost cancelled out by eliminating the need for a spare.

@joefromravenna 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a plastics guy and had a chance to work on airless tires 7 years ago. My employer wanted to know if they had the technology to do it. They didn’t. Only vulcanized rubber had the bounce back that would prevent the rubber from squishing down and staying there. There is this concept called compression set. When you squish plastic rubber used in sneakers and made by my former employer, the result is only 40% recovery of the rubber to previous thickness. You need 90% or better recovery so that the tire doesn’t develop flat spots. Inflated tires are really good at maintaining a positive outward pressure to keep those flat spots from happening. The vulcanized rubber is really good at holding itself together and it keeps inflated tires from exploding and keeping the weight of the car from squishing it to a flat mess.

@CAP198462 2 жыл бұрын

I’ll be looking forward to these. A couple years ago I had got a new 🛞 because of a puncture. One month later to the day, driving down the road when some guy doing yard work with a blower blows yard debris through the sidewall and I’m headed right back to the tyre store. 🤦‍♂️

@joshuapowers4623 2 жыл бұрын

This is a point outside of the video. "X will revolutionize the future of Y", and then everything they show you is CGI, you can just disregard it completely for now. Because it means they haven't even figured out a working model yet.

@gaminghero3273 Жыл бұрын

I buy only from tire4coin

@GaryARahn 2 жыл бұрын

One of the problems with this design is what happens when mud, gravel, ice gets into the air space on these tires. They need to have a sealed solid rubber outer framework running at local atmospheric pressure

@GronTheMighty 2 жыл бұрын

My thinking is also that gravel getting into the flexing spokes would mean a rather quick deterioration as they grind up the spokes with every revolution of the wheel.. But then testing ought to reveal if that is indeed a problem, and maybe there are solutions to prevent or mitigate it.

@alextheguitarist7282 2 жыл бұрын

I presume the 'open' look is just for the sake of marketing

@Camelotsmoon 2 жыл бұрын

I would imagine it would be sealed. Probably just open in videos to show how it works.

@johnnytoobad4287 2 жыл бұрын

Recently at my grandson s school I noticed the people mowing the lawn were using these tires. They were open, which drew my attention.

@JinKee 2 жыл бұрын

the Perseverence rover on mars has had a “pet rock” stuck in its airless tyre for years and hundreds of miles now

@Kcraft059 7 ай бұрын

What’s funny is that in France postal trucks are already equipped with these tyres (Michelin is a French company it’s normal that the tyre are tested in France) and I’ve seen them for real on a postal truck.(sorry for the bad English)

@BrianRhodes9763 2 жыл бұрын

I saw this concept tire some time ago (not sure how long), I was interested then and I am still interested. I always wondered what happened to this concept, I'm glad to see it's till around. I would love to have these tires on my car if they actually work as advertised.

@SylvesterAshcroft88 2 жыл бұрын

It just shows how hard it is to improve on what's worked for so long.

@versatileduplicity9313 Жыл бұрын

Yep.

@andrewmerrin Жыл бұрын

Reinventing the wheel ….

@A.R.77 2 жыл бұрын

Almost all modern tire blowouts are due to improper maintenance or being used far too long past there intended life. Airless tires have a long, long way to go before they make mass market.

@ssofire 2 жыл бұрын

I would be more interested to know how they perform on snow, how well they go once full of snow and ice?

@hagalazmultiverze3411 Жыл бұрын

Imagine having your car parked during a cold, Scandinavian winter night. Snow/Slush freezes in the cavities. You start your car and drive on. A block of ice falls off in one part of the tire causing vibrations. You then proceed on to the highway. Bits of ice flying off potentially hitting other cars? And a very uncomfortable ride? Not sure, they seem so useful for the colder areas. But, with a bit of design, I'd be up for it

@SpadajSpadaj 2 жыл бұрын

I see one other potential issue. It all looks great in a clear weather on a clean road. But how about snow mud in late autumnt? How about normal mud on unpaved road? How about sand and gravel? Won't it enter this "tire" from the sides and affect the performance and "squishyness"? That would be my primary concern.

@soowie1912 2 жыл бұрын

Well there would probably be some rubber on the side,It doesnt have that on the videos bcs they wanna show the insides.I think atleast

@magnanimus9692 2 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. If the underside surface of the outer tire was convex, centrifugal force would force any debris that entered out the sides as the tire rotates. Also i can see how the sides of the tire spokes could be curved in such a way to prevent crap from entering (in forward motion) but still allowing it to leave (sort of like how those rain shields work allowing you to crack the window in heavy rain without getting the inside of your car soaked).

@SpadajSpadaj 2 жыл бұрын

@@magnanimus9692 convex outside could lead to non-uniform elasticity. Well, not my problem. At least for now ;-)

@op3l 2 жыл бұрын

Your only worry would be large rocks that gets caught in the spines. The mud, snow, sand will bend with the spine and then get spun out via centrifugal force.

@SpadajSpadaj 2 жыл бұрын

@@op3l yeah, sure, most of the mud and snow would get squished out. I though more of the hard contents with it.

@anderstroberg3704 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who is living in a cold climate, I'm scared of what would happen if you park in a puddle, the puddle freeze, and when you drive off, those spokes are inside a solid block of ice, making one part of the wheel rock hard, with the rest still soft.

@TheJacklikesvideos Жыл бұрын

also obliterating the weight balance

@ChlorideCull Жыл бұрын

To be fair, I don't think winter versions will be the first versions released, you got some unique challenges besides that, like how you have to manage heat differently because the compound is designed for a different temperature range.

@thechancellor3715 Жыл бұрын

Not to mention slush collecting between the vanes...subject to freezing rock hard, leaving tires grossly unbalanced...same problem in muddy roads, every look at mud running FWD under carriages, wheel wells, etc.

@jarlesleglerg9064 11 ай бұрын

Imo these visible spokes are for showcase, and the actual ones will have some sort of sidewall.

@stevewood5655 11 ай бұрын

For some reason, getting a punctured tyre on a fast moving motorway is my biggest nightmare. I keep an electric pump with me to fill up in case the tyre goes flat while driving in busy traffic. I hate changing tyres and frankly have never done that. Always used help. I hope whenever these airless tyres are released to the public they come with a price tag that is at least affordable and not be yet another fancy item for the rich people to enjoy. A price of say 150% of the normal tyre price will be very appropriate. Really looking forward to the airless tyres - and yes, as most of us are not professional F1 drivers, we may not be impacted much by a slight change in quality of driving :)

@saidonfax 2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps, just my personal guess, the conventional air tire that just doesn't go flat quickly when punctured but can last maybe a few hours for the driver to get it replaced. With a help of some sort of tire air pressure sensor, I guess. This might be just good enough. And also, how often do we get flat tire in our lifetime realistically?

@TheJacklikesvideos Жыл бұрын

good point; i only popped a tire once on a curb, first car in reverse around a turn.. don't ask. but i've experienced plenty of slow leaks.

@oldgreggscreamybaileys6618 2 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing these tyres in an engineering magazine we used to get at work about 15 years ago branding them the future of tyres. Considering they had working prototypes back then. Considering it’s taken this long to get to this point there’s clearly been a lot of problems with them.

@keithsinter5611 2 жыл бұрын

they are unbalanced and unstable at hgher speed than 45mp/h the design is allready available for light tractors and smaller construction mashines

@stupitdog9686 2 жыл бұрын

Or mayge they are just too good .... don't punture, last longer, work out cheaper on trade ins.......maybe they dont want to loose profit by providing much better products ??!!

@Wrutschgeluck 2 жыл бұрын

@@stupitdog9686 yes, i think like you. maybe its something like the lightning bulp thing. if you selling too much longer lasting bulbs, you will get a penalty.

@coffeeturtle1984 2 жыл бұрын

@@stupitdog9686 but if they need maintenance and only the company that made them can fix them you create a much better income source cutting out middle men making more profit. Plus gov tax cuts from reducing waste ect. If you think about it it's much better than normal tires.

@stupitdog9686 2 жыл бұрын

Ya Coffee Turtle, I agree with you. Now you just have to convince the manufacturer!

@bradaltemeyer4472 2 жыл бұрын

well, sort of a "premature" title since the airless car tire is just developed, and not on the market yet. I heard a rumor that new products get developed before being launched, and actually "improved" Now, the concept of the airless tire has been around quite a while on industrial lower speed vehicles, and if you want to have a "fair" title that those are "this" or "that" because of your own view when the other thing happened, well fine. *but on the car tire, we do sort of have to evaluate them after they actually arrive -I think the video I just watched said 2024,,,

@jaypaans3471 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen video's years and years ago. I remember one vid of these things on a Hummer, for example. So, no, not *that* new.

@junkmail103 Жыл бұрын

Conventional air tires are probably better for racing overall, but airless have really high potential for general or off-road use if they truly do have as a high longevity as they claim to have.

@ck2106 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if they would be more useful for your average work truck as they are typically not going to experience the same extremes a sports car does. Although, the base weight difference could put the same forces on the tire at lower speeds bringing us back to the same current issues. Interesting and exciting concept though, and would be nice for your general construction vehicles that encounter more destructive debris than a road car.

@chemistry4life 2 жыл бұрын

I've always thought that the problem of the airless rubber tyre / tire was the inability to adjust the pressure /compression according to loading needs, and the inability to increase back the pressure / compression should some of the rubber supports starts failing - you will experience unbalanced tyre rotation and declining pressure/compression until the next tyre/tire change. But the part about heat generation and side gripping are very good points as well. 👍🏻

@TheZiom224 2 жыл бұрын

I watched the whole video and still don't know why airless tires suck, great.

@darkbooger 2 жыл бұрын

I can see these things catching on for things like forklifts and other heavy duty machines just because of how durable they would end up being, no worries about punctures which can be a very bad thing on larger vehicles. To be honest I would probably pick up some of these for my car once they hit the shelves just to see how they feel, if they perform well I might end up sticking with them.

@zapopper 2 жыл бұрын

What about off-road tires? They need to be stiff for paved road & fuel efficiency, but soft flat for off-road gravel, sand or rocky terain. Air filled tires allows that with a simple airpump, with the spokes tires you'll be able to cover the threads with wider layer, but the stiffness will remain .

@Garrett_Thompson 2 жыл бұрын

Michelin are currently marketing Tweels/Uptis towards small offroad vehicles and small farm equipment, which honestly is perfect for them. I'm debating getting some for my buddy's Miata 😂

@HaydenX 2 жыл бұрын

I imagine that these tires will be perfect for buses. They generally stay under 60 MPH (~96.5 KPH), don't take tight corners at speed, and would favor reliability and efficiency above most everything else. On-site vehicles, such as dump trucks, would probably also really like them.

@Chris-nn3vu Жыл бұрын

Tyre

@HaydenX Жыл бұрын

@@Chris-nn3vu Both "tire" and "tyre" are acceptable spellings...I'm using the American spelling as I'm American.

@jewels3846 Жыл бұрын

@@HaydenX its refreshing to see grammar pedantic arseholes exist everywhere and not just NA tho 😂

@Blakesvz 2 жыл бұрын

My concern is how well they’d last in a skid, summernats and rockynats tracks eat them tires up quick! Maybe you could exchange them reforming things for a bit more tread

@sijonda 2 жыл бұрын

Surprised the issue of balancing wasn't brought up. This is one of the primary issues that drives up cost to the point of not being viable. The conditions these kind of tires are used today don't need balancing.

@ryanwilson2016 Жыл бұрын

I've seen quite a few of them on things like commercial lawnmowers. Honestly low-speed applications where handling and heat aren't an issue is where they will stay for many, many more years. Which there's a LOT of those applications. Especially ones that have been using airless tires for years like forklifts, etc.

@fredwalter519 2 жыл бұрын

Airless tires work well for some applications. I have airless tires on my wheelbarrows, and garden wagons. I would have them on all of my low-speed equipment if these tires weren't so expensive.

@AsbestosMuffins 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen these actually catch on in industrial settings quicker than consumer vehicles. they're getting quite common on things like forklifts and skidsteers

@jeffhall768 2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Just like tracks, they're great for machines traveling under 10mph.

@danielrose1392 2 жыл бұрын

And the technology will probably slowly grow to higher speed applications. Could imagine than in a few years we see city busses, garbage trucks and similar use.

@Longerbow 2 жыл бұрын

Problem is that when you start to load alot more weight in your car than usual, like for example going on holiday with your family. In tires filled with air you can simply increase the pressure to resist the added weight. I wonder how airless tires will handle this?

@ThatOnionispog 2 жыл бұрын

im assuming that there will be varieties made with harder plastics, and you would have to swap them as you see fit

@paulpatterson7737 2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatOnionispog sounds a bit inconvenient

@ThatOnionispog 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulpatterson7737 yeah, there isn't any other way that these would be suitable though

@mosradu4953 2 жыл бұрын

you can't let any spokes open. dirt will get into the shape and unbalance the whole wheel while driving, they need walls to avoid that.

@Road_Rash 2 жыл бұрын

The main thing about these things that puts me off is that you have to replace the tire & the rim when changing out tires...hell naw...that will make them far more expensive to replace than regular tires, which pretty much means I'll never buy any...

@addanametocontinue 2 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing airless tires like these on TV shows like Discovery Channel 10-20 years ago and I'm amazed they are still in development.

@johnmicheal3547 2 жыл бұрын

Flying car included. I think they couldn't iron out all the problems to be marketable. But than i say the same with electric car. It still have the major problem of replacing the battery and it's not cheap or easy to make and waste a lot. But when you slap on the "save environment" on it those idiots will swallow anything.

@ianbelletti6241 2 жыл бұрын

I could see a variant of this being a modification of your standard air filled tires to create run flat tires where you could operate on the flat tire to get to a service station for a repair.

@midnightkitty8172 Жыл бұрын

I saw a video where the military had put solid, airless tires on a Humvee, then had a sniper fire a .50 CAL round through one of the tires, and the vehicle was still okay to drive. So employing this technology on the battlefield would actually work quite well, judging from what I saw.

@mariosaternus 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your video and your opinion. Your perspective seems to be more focussed on track performance. But most “normal” people just need tires for normal conditions. I drive a Toyota Highlander and I am really looking forward to buy the first available pair of uptis tyres, despite the weight of the car. I really don’t like normal tyres.

@TheJacklikesvideos Жыл бұрын

these will give you a newfound appreciation for pneumatic tires.

@benodaboy 2 жыл бұрын

You can get "tweels" for ride on lawn mowers. They're really good. They have tons of pros, like a flat profle, which provides more grip and a wider grip surface wich means less presure on the ground, meaning no ruts, wear is better, becaus the rubber can be harder, because it doesnt have to stretch. and the ride is smoother meaning because of the extra layer of suspention, meaning a better cut.

@user-KrackerJack 2 жыл бұрын

From what I've seen they haven't made a definite decision on to use a side wall on these or not So basically they are showing these without the sidewall so you can see what the tire looks like on the "inside"

@mrlloyd149 2 жыл бұрын

They already made a decision, they'll have sidewalls

@Cloxxki Жыл бұрын

Some of the characteristics might be adjusted on the fly with compression rings of sorts. With air, there is still a huge opportunity to adjust the air volume and introduce dampers within it. A separate bladder that's connected to the one that is close to the road surface, connected by a variable valve. The bladders could even sit side to side to allow for less or al least slower compression of the worst hit side of the tyre, giving more support when needed.

@laughinggas3967 2 жыл бұрын

I think in the future they would make various types of spokes that gives you those different feels. More stiff material may make it feel more like having higher psi.

@lordkayx 2 жыл бұрын

They will need to be shielded on the side I think. If small debris finds its way in the spoke area it will get chewed up fast. Which is why I think if they used a hybrid of new and old they could have these to market faster. But I get wanting to do it this way first. There is a New, and Wow factor that could really get the ball rolling.

@cameronjohnson5671 2 жыл бұрын

3:20 for the start of the actual video

@MysticalReaper 2 жыл бұрын

To break down why we ACTUALLY are not getting these unpunctual tires....Tire companies thrive off this stuff of you getting holes in your tires. If you completely take out or massively reduce being able to get a puncture or going flat so you can go back to them and buy more tires off them... You take out the profit that the companies make just by you buying tires constantly due to holes way lower than before, hence them losing more money than it's worth for them. Companies DONT want things to last longer that's why things break easily nowdays companies make way more money with this method...It wouldn't be beneficial for them anyways. Even if they marked the tires to a ridiculous amount of cost. Still wouldn't be enough of a profit for them. Companies are greedy they don't want this kind of product to the normal society. If anything this would be an idea for the filthy rich.