That’s true. In the books the idea came about after they successfully defended Minas Tirith and they were debating what to do next. Your comment did remind me also that in the books Aragorn wasn’t even planning on going with the fellowship all the way. He was only joining them on his way to Minas Tirith with Boromir.

Right. In the movies, it wasn't until Gandalf said that Frodo & Sam had passed beyond his sight that they started thinking about doing anything else. Gimli even said to let him rot behind the Black Gate. It was Gandalf who pointed out that Sauron shoring up behind his gate would put Frodo & Sam at the greatest risk of failure and they had to do something about it.

@@Theomite Exactly. I’m not a huge fan of changing the material from book to film, but this was one change that made sense. In the movie, Aragorn is much harder on the King of the Dead, but he also has a much more compassionate and forgiving tone when he grants them absolution for breaking their oaths.

I'm listening to Andy Serkis' literary performance now while out working. Aragorn clearly is Kingly and knows what his duty is. We see him use his commanding behavior sparsely, but when necessary, for he is both Strider and Aragorn Elessar. Seemingly, he *prefers* Strider, yet does so knowing full well he is to be King. The movies show Aragorn's valor and strength of leadership, but Viggo brings no Kingly leadership, just dedication. I would have loved to see Viggo and Karl fighting at Helm's Deep instead of Haldir.

@@Adam-dv2je yeh he is more kingly in the book. He even carries the shards and Anduril a lot sooner, rather than leaving them in Rivendell like the responsibility intimidates him. Yeh I liked the Eomer and Aragorn fight together at Helms Deep. Or even if we saw them together at Pelennor it would have been cool. They barely interacted in the movies and would have been nice as they go on to be King Bros after the books 😃.

"None, but the King of Gondor can command Me", said King of the deaths to Aragorn.

Yeah, if the only power they had was intimidation, then taking them to battle would've been pointless.

Thats right. They induced a terror that killed. All the people along their path hid in their houses out of fear and no-one actually saw them. I think the video is incorrect though. I think the grey company accompanied aragorn through the paths of the dead.

@@TheomiteI’m not sure, they can’t harm physically but, besides terror they’re described as harmful

​@@gosonegr well Brego, or Baldor ? Don't rememeber exactly, was a Rohirrim prince who swore to pass the path of the dead while he was drunk during a feast in Meduseld. The rohirrim never saw him again. When Aragorn traveled in the path of the deads, he saw a skeleton with a chain mail and a helmet, seeming trying desperatly to open a door made of a black stone, his legs broken. (And his sword broken i think). This body is shurely the one of the rohirrim prince. And I think that the deads killed him not only with dread and fear, but also with physical injuries, maybe undirectly, not sure, but I doubt that the prince would have broke his legs himself.

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​​@@hadisancarMaybe 2 but 3 is very possible. They don't have to obey someone else to turn against them. Just Aragorn not releasing them when he promised, could have driven them mad believing he will never set them free.

​@hadisancar sauron was the most powerful necromancer in the world. Isilidur might have cursed them, but very good odds Sauron could have broken or even more likely twisted the curse.

I mean, one battle doesn't really equate to a 7 year long seige so I don't think that's exactly accurate. I think the better description is that in the video of it possibly not being beneficial

But over time they still owed interest haha

@@sethburro6031I was going to say the exact same thing. “With interest”

@@MarsellusWallace2024 it's funny because it's true

​@@sethburro6031yes they did pity huh

The southern fiefdoms, as you call them were not controlled by the easterlings and southrons... well, South Gondor was a wasteland, or hundreds or thousands of years under southern control. Umbar WAS the capital of southern Gondor, and the pirates were numenorean, many of purer line than the gondorians, though evil. What Aragorn freed was ships and the slaves on the ships sailing up the Anduin. Anduin was the river going middle of the country, but the southside was either Umbar or abandoned. So Anduin was the border river. Some lands near the river might have been abandoned or raided, but the pirates "corsairs" did not control them. Remember, in the book the most powerful Gondorian city is not Minas Tirith, nor it was the Osgiliath that was the largest, but it was Dol Amroth, which was one of the most southern. And they were not "recruits", and neither were they under control of the Steward, OR Aragorn. Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth arrived with "Swan Knights" and though nothing is said of them in the book, and that is a nod towards non-Tolkien source and far too long to explain here, there is a reason to expect them to be one of the strongest units apart from Elronds household guards and units of wartrolls. Of course, the movies just ignore whole Dol Amroth thing, but one thing is certain: If Aragorn came down from Erech, and ended up in mouth of Anduin, he would have gone through Dol Amroth. So he would have not only known if Imrahil was coming, but called him by himself, and thus known that there were other forces coming too.

It would not have been wise at all 👍🏼

If they could've done physical harm like in the movies, the benefit wouldn't have been fighting Sauron, just wiping out his Orcs at the Black Gate so they could lead a successful invasion.

You do realize in mordor is where his power is at its highest point. All the land is under his dominion. Him having the art of necromancy under his belt can cause untold damage to there forces. Reason one no one on there side had even practiced the art of necromancy thus giving him no challenge when he basically sways them to his banner. No matter if you go by the book or movie your setting your army up for a slaughter. There weapons won't cut them but they'll butcher your army. Bring the dead into a fight against a necromancer when you don't know the art is pure suicide. All your doing is giving him another army to command and worse you can't counter well.

@@Theomite don't matter if you go by the books or the movie. in mordor his power is at its greatest. also they didn't have anyone that's even practice necromancy. thus he'd go unchallenge in swaying them to his side. your basically giving him another army to command and one you cant even counter all to well. its setting your army up for slaughter. its knowing when and not to use something, in this one he made the most of there service.

Yes, the charge of the Rohirrim was one of the best moments of the trilogy. And yes, Rohan did have the best horses. But I don’t think that they descended from Shadowfax specifically. Shadowfax was a descendent of the Mearas and could understand human speech and lived longer than normal horses.

Ah you’re welcome. And thanks for the comment. There’s so much good stuff in the books that were left out of the movies. Even the extended editions. Some of my favourite characters too. Fingers crossed for an extended extended 25th anniversary edition 😂.

I wouldn’t call it a fallacy. There are some things that just don’t translate well to the screen, and have to be changed for the sake of good story telling. They weren’t perfect movies, but they are 100% peak cinema. We will be lucky to ever see movies of this caliber hit theaters again. But I will say, Dune Part Two is close.

Not had a chance to see Dune 2 yet. Was it better than the first?

@@FairlyFictional I don’t really think we can call it “better” or “worse” than the first one. It picks up within like 10 minutes of where the first one left off, and it just feels like a continuation of that. And the entirety of the second movie takes place within just a few months of the first movie. If you remember, Paul’s mother was pregnant at the end of the first movie. By the end of the second movie, she’s still pregnant. So they aren’t rushing through the timeline. it’s really satisfying. Denis Villeneuve is a master storyteller.

Thanks. I’ll see it eventually 👍🏼

Thank you. I also agree with Aragorn’s decision 🙂

True he gave his word but more of a question is why a fight in Mordor was not part of his initial deal. That is where they were supposed to go when they bailed during the Last Alliance after pledging to him. He would not have had to go back on anything if that was the deal to begin with 🤔. All they actually did was scare some men off boats in the end.

@@FairlyFictional As mentioned in discussions above, going to Mordor was merely an after thought. The plan was to defend Minas Tirith. Mission accomplished. Dead are set free. When planning what to do next, it is suggested that they go to Mordor, not to get rid of Sauron, but to distract him, so as to help Frodo accomplish his mission.

They’re basically Nazgul, shadows of the living

Thank you for watching 😁

Thanks. I’m glad I could shed more light on the issue. The movies have definitely clouded people’s memories of the books. 👍🏼

Full disclosure: I read the 1st book and maybe half of the next one, then my life got complicated, I never actually read the entirety of the books 😅. I enjoyed the movies though. Anyway have a nice day and take good care of yourself! 🍻

I will try and do more videos covering parts missed from the movies then to fill in the gaps 😉. Good day 👍🏼

@@jeffreytaylor4464I extremely highly encourage you to listen to the audiobooks of the Lord of the Rings as read by Andy Serkis, who played Gollum in the movies. It is a masterpiece reading of a masterpiece.

Interesting, but if he could control the dead why didn't he do something when they attacked the Corsairs and (as in the movie) Minas Tirith?

@@gayprepperz6862 Too busy with Saruman and the palantir.

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@@FairlyFictional where did it come from?

Most likely AI-generated

@@havoc1230 I created them all with a mix of AI and manual intervention.

@@FairlyFictional Is it possible that you somehow share them with us?

Precisely!

Ehhh yes and no lol Oaths in Middle Earth could be seen a really powerful form of magic Aragorn couldn't ask the undead army to do more than what their oath dictates them to which is defend Gondor which they did, they were never charged to march on Mordor. As for the Eagles, these beings are children of Manwe the leader of the Valer. The times they actually did help was because they owed Gandalf for saving one of them. They're observers, much like Gandalf and the other Istari they weren't ment to meddle in the affairs of Middle Earth, only combat foes beyond their means and help guide them in the war with Suaron.

Hindsight is 20/20

Actually, if they listened to Gandalf when he was fighting the Balrog, things would have been so much easier. Didn't he tell them to "Fly, fools!"

No, the eagles wouldn’t be able to fly into Mordor because do you remember what Boromir said in the first movie, “The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume…” plus the Eye of Sauron would spot them immediately & sent the Nazgûl after them & sent his orcs to fortify Mount Doom & the movie would end with Sauron reclaiming the One Ring! 🤔

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Thank you. I'm glad you thought it was an interesting topic.

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Ahh that makes sense 😄

Thank you so much 🙏🏼.

Thanks. I’m glad I cleared it up ☺️

Thanks a lot. Some of them take a while to create. I’ve never thought of making a calendar out of them before 😊

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And thank you kindly for this comment. I wish you amazing dreams. But hope the video didn’t bore you to sleep 😅.

Thanks. Well they did worship Sauron after all.

@@FairlyFictional really insightful.

You are welcome 🙏🏼

And thank you for this 😊🙏🏼

Thank you for saying so 😊. I’m glad you enjoyed it.

Thank you. And congrats on being my first 1k like on the channel 😁

@@FairlyFictional its my pleasure..and keep it up...👍👍👍👍

Thanks for the sub. Ah yes, the Eagles/ “Get Out Of Jail Free” card 😄

I’m not familiar with Warcraft but I had a google and Krug does look similar. But Krug is much more intelligent and better looking 😝. I did create the images myself though so no actual link to Warcraft.

@@FairlyFictional oh very cool :). You can put your image in google picture search and you will find a lot of orcs from world of warcraft looking like yours :). Very nice work!

Thanks. I’m glad you like it. And yeh, that would have been a bad move 😅

@@FairlyFictional 😂😂

Thank you for saying 😊

Exactly. Having read the books before watching, that scene took the glory away from the South Gondorians, Imrahil and the Knights of the Silver Swan, and of course- Theoden and the Rohirrim.

@@guiltycross They were basically a cheat code.

Thanks I’m glad you liked it and get to enjoy the books again 😁

That’s what you get when Mordor is just one massive hedonistic orgy for hundreds of years perhaps 😅

Yeh that’s an excellent question. I don’t think there’s a definitive answer. Perhaps he fell to his death. Or got lost in the tunnels and never find his way out. Or saw a ghost and had a heart attack.. Or maybe he found his way out the other side and lived out his life in the South away from his responsibilities 😅. Who can say 👍🏼

I think the most probable is that he was simply scared to death - alone in a cave with an entire zombie army reaching for you - I know I would have!

The heart attack scenario seems plausible, because Aragorn and company find the remains of him in there sadly.

Thank you. This is a great comment!

Thank you ☺️

Thank you very much 😊

Good effort. 🤣

Moria was a lot further away. I’m not sure they would have gone that far.

You’re welcome 👍🏼

Haha thanks 😊. 👻👻👻

@@FairlyFictional btw the narrator is so good.

Thank you for saying so. I will do more then. But Krug will still be around lurking somewhere 😝.

He could. He just preferred fireworks to bombs. 🎆

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Must have been a ghostly illusion

Yeh not exactly a trustworthy crew…

Thanks 🙏🏼. I made them all myself. A mixture of AI and manual intervention.

Omg you made these yourself? You have real talent. You could easily be a concept art artist or the like for the movie industry. These are blockbuster film quality poster art. The stuff they make for Marvel and Star Wars movie posters type of artwork. You would also kill it making graphic novel/comic book art. Or just Tolkien themed/personal art. Your artwork is fantastic. Great work 👌. Im gonna watch this again just to look at the artwork 🎨

@@jamesjameson2244 thanks. which image is your favourite 🤔?

@FairlyFictional i don't know that I could pick. There's so many lol. But my favorites are the ones with heavy color contrast of the undeadly green of the ghosts. And the ones showing the finer detail of the faces, armor, and sometimes robes of the characters. The dunedain in the snow, the elves depicted throughout. And the close-up wraith portrait are good examples. And almost all the representations of the undead ghosts. The only other time I've seen such detail in Lotr artwork is in the movies. None of the animated ones or images in books do it justice. Other youtubers just cut in clips of the movies its really cool that you made your own. Great work mahman 😊 👏 Theres about a thousand ways you could market your artwork. Have you thought of making shirts and hoodies and other clothing with them? Because you make your own art. Most of your artwork wouldn't fall under copyright. And even those that do... if you paid for the necessary licensing, you'd make a fortune. You could market them directly on your channel and on places like etsy. Or even sell them at cosplay conventions. Godspeed mahman 👍 👌

@@jamesjameson2244 thanks for taking the time to reply. I do try to make sure all the art is good enough before being happy with it. I will take that all into consideration and see if I can do anything else with the art 👍🏼. Do you think clothes are good for this style or art? Or something else? Thanks again

Would have been interesting

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🤣 Thanks. I hope you didn’t fall off your chair 😅.

its ai voice lol

The Return of the King?

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Thanks ☺️

They weren’t afraid of his sword. It was only evidence that he was Isildur’s heir.

Thanks for the comment. There is a lot in the books that was subverted by the movies. My next video covers some more of those too. However I need to do an eagles video soon too. I don’t believe Thorondor is still around the 3rd age as Gwaihir is their Lord. And whether they are Maiar or not is a bit more complicated. But there are other reasons why they didn’t fly to Mordor too. It’s on my list to do, so stay tuned 😉. Thanks

@@FairlyFictional Thorondor...oopsies. See what Peter Jackson did to me. My point was that you don't want magical beings near the ring or you'll get a dark lord eagle. Please don't mention that. Amazon might think it's a good idea.

@@JoeyJoejoe-sq9io hahaha. If you saw my Rings of Power video they already have enough ideas 🤣

I understand that it must be frustrating if you've read the books and feel that Tolkien did it better, but as someone who has only seen the movies, these critiques are so silly. The movies were damn good, even with all the "flaws" you book readers like to keep pointing out.

I agree, it's deeper even than just the army of the dead looking cool, Aragorn came with more men of Gondor to save Minas Tirith. It makes the arrival of Theoden and and the alliance of Rohan and Gondor all the more powerful. Theodon never needs to come at all in the movies if the army of the dead can just clean up shop.

@@sephiroth1277Aragorn came with “The Grey Company” yes.. but it was a small company of only 30

@@offroader9965 Aragorn came with the grey Company, and with as much men he could cram in the fleet. He then ordered the other many thousands men to come to Minas Tirith on feet. Aragorn had a full army in the ships, and another one on the march that arrived 2 to 4 days after the ships.

It was a necessary decision. To keep the army of the dead on the south shore of Gondor would require to develop the land, the cities, the people and some characters, plus another battle at Pelargir. Worst decisions can easily be found: - Expanding the one-chapter battle of Helm Deep to way longer battle. - Editing the battle at Helm Deep, the battle at Isengard and the battle at Osgiliath all together in the exact same desaturated colours. - That battle at Osgiliath had no business in the movie, and it creates the problem of how Faramir, Frodo and the others crossed the Anduin river the first time.

Did you watch the whole video? It is only concerned with the canon.

Did you bother to watch the video? This is discussed there.

It’s probably a topic for a separate video but oaths were more legally binding in Middle Earth it seems. And the Numenoreans were not regular men. They were given special extra powers like long life, healing, Foresight etc.

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Yeh that would be good. As long as they’re better than the Star Wars spin off movies 😅

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