Thanks for giving my video a watch! Obviously there are places to disagree, but I appreciate how you as a huge supporter of the game could validate some of my points.

I was on that stream, and during some of his points, I saw some people in chat calling him a nerd, in a pejorative way, of course. Guys, all of us are nerds; no one tuning in to a Yugioh stream and sitting through this isn't a nerd. "But I don't watch the anime, nor do cringe stuff." You could play a deck that has neither waifus nor edgy dragons, become a gym bro, and die on a hill, claiming Yugioh is just a hobby/sport, and you'll still be a NERD.

Gotta be honest here, im pretty sure chat was so negative at a lot of points in this video is SOLEY because farfa was reacting to a vtuber.

Can we talk about how insane it is that there’s no Maxx “C” staple bundle despite it being the definitive staple

"Powercreep doesn't exist in magic" *ERROR BUTTON*

Chat's ability to completely miss the point every single time and respond with either unfunny jokes or 1-2 words edgy rebuttals will forever be funny to me. Calm down lil bros, people can dislike your game, focus on what they say, not what you want to hear

Honestly Konami just should give the Masochist Challenge it's own ladder as a draft mode in Master Duel. 10 Masterpacks to start, with 1 MP every win. Nothing in YGO feels better then having a completly garbage deck, face another completly garbage deck and having Toll Hike being the deciding factor.

I know I quit Master Duel, but still play competitive Yugioh (in locals, hoping to go to a larger tournament soon), and that's due to three main issues. First, without a match/best of three, it encourages the most degenerate strategies that normally crumble beneath a side deck. Second, the prizing for the duels. If you lose, you get pretty much the same prizes if you quit immediately or endure a 15-minute combo. They need to seriously up the prizes, make current winning prizes the losing ones if you don't quit, and double or triple the prizes if you win. And that brings me to the third point: Legacy Packs are completely worthless. There's nothing good in them, and they can't even be dismantled to be partially useful. If they reworked the prize system alone (legacy packs and amount of prizes for losing/winning), I feel MD would be a much more rewarding experience, even without the matches that comprise most of competitive Yugioh.

This feels like the exact reason MBT swap from MTG to Yu-Gi-Oh. You either love the complexity within singular cards or hate it, there cannot be in-between.

23:18, one of my favourite examples of this is Plunder Patroll. Main deck monsters are pirates who crew your extra deck boats by hopping into your back row. Then the boats get a boost if they are crewed. Then to activate their abilities the boats fire a pirate from your hand and load the next one up for the following turn. The extent to which Yugioh will go to work to make mechanics and flavour come together is seriously cool and is one of my favourite things about the game

I think what he means by “Maxx C tax” isn’t the crafting cost of the card, but the deck space cost. If every deck HAS to play Maxx C, them every deck is 37 cards, not 40. Which goes back into how homogenized YGO currently is.

holy fuck i hate farfa's chat farfa's making reasonable comments and chat is just on the side clearly not listening to either the video or farfa

It feels like the majority of issues people pointed out at release never got fixed and people were coping like, "its ok its only the first week/month/year!!!" this is why people need higher standards for companies

I love the way Farfa approaches videos like this. He goes in with the "Haha, let's see what stupid, memeable things they say," and then if the argument is stupid and memeable, then he proceeds to be like "I told you it was stupid and memeable." When the video has actual good points however, he proceeds to look at those points objectively and use it as a teaching point to say "No look, they're actually right, AND this is why:"

I recently started playing master duel, and my biggest takeaway about YuGiOh is that, like in real life, no one really knows what they're doing but people have found stuff that works pretty well and they use that as a standard. The positive to this is that with some creativity and persistence, you can get most ideas to work in a deck. Idk, I'm just a mid-plat blue eyes player so I really don't know anything

I think the trap card thing is a pretty big issue on why the game is so fast. Because trap cards got outdated, there's no counter outside of hand traps. Having one of your main types of cards (i mean spell, monster trap) pretty much non-existent, your kind a breaking your game. It used to be Monster vs Spell -> Spell vs trap -> Trap vs monster type feel in terms of play. (Obviously this isn't 100% true as they are used in different ways to effect different things) Not having traps in decks due to it being outdated allows more stuff to be added to decks to allow OTK's or FTK's. If traps were more relevant and could deal with things better, decks would have more traps in it which brings about less engine cards which opens more variety and less formulaic matches.

Exactly, it’s just search search search until you get your boss monsters/desired board then turn two player attempts search search search for their board, i say attempt cause turn 2 basically determines the finale cause it’s a person trying to complete a board against a already established field. I playing pure Splight realized most of my wins was on turn 3, my turn

I played a lot of card games, and one thing I find funny about modern Yugioh is how every deck nowadays try to do the thing everyone hate. In most other card games community, nobody seems tor eally enjoy playing against control deck. "Blue magic is so unfun to go against, he can counter my spells", "warrior control just block me for building my board", etc etc, where the majority of Yugioh decks now are: "If I play first, I'll try to have 5interruption for my opponent!" or "I need hand trap to stop my opponent first turn to go full force" All the decks are not "control decks", but every deck have some amount of it to be relevant.

I will never understand people who defend maxx c. The card does not stop meta decks, it just makes them better by stalling out lower tier decks. 98% of decks run maxx-c. If pot of greed is banned, so should maxx-c. "but pot of greed is too good and ran in every single deck" sound familiar? Dont @ me. The card is dumb. If any card is above 70% in all decks, its probably too generic or too busted and needs to have a erata or banned.

I feel like a BIG problem in Yugioh is actually that its not skill based. A lot of it is mostly "do i have the out?" Instead of clever strategizing and thoughtful placements of your pieces. I really like the "adjacent" and "column" style effect because it actually makes you think and interact. Also lets get real, there is a lot in Yugioh where it is not fun to play against. Infinite combos, FTKs, Omni negates, handtraps, floodgates... Noone goes "hell yeah brother" its just boring and thoughtless, you either have it, or you dont.

24:08 suship is a very good example as your a sushi ship builder and you show your opponents a menu and they order a suship name then you summon it, they loose life equal to it's def as if paying for it. If shari is in hand you choose instead as if you're making a recommendation. But I think what he's saying is heres a 4000 attack omni negate boss robot dragon titties from a 2 card combo involving a car and a duck for no reason lol. Another good example of card themes is the dragon syncro from 5Ds as each dragon represents the personality of the user like Yusa being sacrificial so stardust kills it's self to protect another, jack is all do or die/ kill or be killed no surrender so archfiend kills all who are too cowardly to attack while the waifu from the duel logs PF is self destructive and by accident hurts everyone around her so black rose destroys everything on the board.

The point about games being formulaic is huge. Nekroz had a few formulaic lines, like make unicore make chain make valk tribute your board, but the actual lines you would go for and ways you'd end your board were different based on your draws. The Arc V era had plenty of fast paced decks that had to play out games differently based on their draws. Links turned the game into linear combo spam, and it's a very slow road back to more varied games. We do have decks that access different interaction based on their draws, but there's a lot of linearity.

Well, the game is literally solitaire. A person starts 6 broken cards unless Kaij or Lava Golem is there to save you. It is pretty much done or you start with the worst Brick in your hand and your opponent does 3 min combo draws and plays 15 cards and sets 2 negates not once per turn and cards like Kashitira Fenrir banish the already weak hand you have with no cost or annoying Labyrinth draws all traps and spells they need to negate the already weak hand on the second going person regardless of the deck because the brick issues from before, The Kashitra lock is not the problem really but rather Konami making this stupid cards broken, People used to complain Eldlich was broken when in fact Despia, Kashtira, Labyrinth, Runick, Tear, Dogmatica mixes are the worst in terms of not giving a chance for the opponent to play with few creative decks hardly being able to play around them it's sad and as much as I like meta archetypes they are op and broken need balancing Also, master duel itself is a mess specifically the way you get cards in the hand sometimes is like they are set to fail you regardless of what deck you are playing is not even a gems issue it is just the system working against you and the opponent getting like perfect hand while you get the cards that could do 0% in that case unless you are playing some strange deck that system is not used to then you get some easy wins. Also SIngle player delivers nothing to make you even wanna keep it as a solo game duel win no reason as to why basically poor and badly done Solo if it was any other game it would have been called a fail but because the master duel managed to start well by giving many crystals at the start and then making them hard to get everyone said it was an amazing game but now it has became clear is just another shitty pay to play game.

Yugioh Community (The Yugicom): "Hey, why are all these people quitting the game? I'm running out of boomers and normies to trounce with my optimized net-decked crime against humanity and the game isn't fun no more" Creator: "Hey guys, I'm quitting Yugioh and this is why..." The Yugicom: "No, you're wrong, debate me for 4 hours so that I can feel more secure about how right I am" Creator: "No, you don't get it, I don't care. I'm not having fun because of the above-listed reasons, I'm out." The Yugicom: "You're a dum-dum doo-doo-head and you're bad at Yugioh, no wonder you're leaving." Team APS: "Hey guys, maybe let's not be toxic" The Yugicom: "Let's all laugh at how bad this person is at Yugioh to make ourselves feel more secure about how right we are!" Cimo: "Before you leave, can we at least play Yugioh under carefully curated rules, just so you can see how Yugioh can be fun?" Creator: "Sure." The Yugicom: "Wow, the Yugicom is so warm and welcoming, I guess we can all reach a common ground when the Creator finally sees how fun Yugioh is and how right we are about everything. If only they debated us for 11 hours about how good Yugioh really is so that they can understand that you have to have a very high IQ and an academic level understanding of Hegelian rocket physics and have a 4th Dan rainbow belt at Nietzschean quark fields to properly appreciate Yugioh, we'd have proven how right we were all along, but alas..." Creator: "I'm still never playing Yugioh again." The Yugicom: "BETRAYAL!! After everything we did to help you learn to play the game right and appreciate it? How much more do we need to guide your hand and spoon-feed you?" Creator: "I literally explained in the original video why" The Yugicom: "But you were objectively wrong though!! Don't you see how objectively wrong you were? I can't believe you aren't having fun when we specifically told you were objectively wrong for not having fun! We demand you start having fun THIS INSTANT!" Konami: "There's a lot of online rumbling and not enough money checking into my money box! Here's an outdated OCG set with all the good cards removed to be resold to you on inflated rarities as prize collectibles of their own BS separate products full of cards nobody uses or will ever use, sold at an even later date with gimmicky rarity and new nostalgia-bait and waifu cards!" The Yugicom: "Can't believe that sucker left when we be eatin' so good! Good riddance! At least we have collectively decided that we have done nothing wrong ever and were completely 100% in the right and it was the frustrated bad actors leaving the game at the best state it's ever been in who were wrong, now let's slurp that Konami corn chowder!!"

Honestly, I also stopped playing MD recently mainly because of Maxx C. That card alone ruined the game for me.

Well I mean I like Eldlich because with his hand effect he can bring those meddlesome traveler down, and just when they think they got him he uses his land (spells and traps) to regenerate and come face to face to the fight stronger with this 1000ATK buff. He transmutes the enemy and himself and his territory to gain power. I think Eldlich is one of the most thematic archetypes.

I think that most players, competitve ones especially, not even thinking beyond Turn 4 is the strongest argument here. The game is so fast and so formulaic that the outcome is decided by Turn 3. This is why games feel so samey. They literally don't last long enough for stuff like bluffs to *even happen* . This is why I personally prefer to stay casual and/or play with friends. There's so much more room to experiment and *fun* is prioritised over speed.

i don't like the comparisons with Magic the gathering because well, they also complain about the same stuff, the game has been power creeping over the years, cards are a lot more impactful and match deciding than ever before, their word count has been rising as well, monsters do have several effects, they have infinite combos because not once per turn is a quite common effect... it could take a couple of buffer turns but your initial hand still decides the winner and so on, some problems are inherent to the medium and no card game will ever able to fix them.

No matter how much you love YuGiOh, I think you have to be deluding yourself to believe that the points he's making aren't true. It ultimately is all personal preference, because what bothers him might not matter to you, but it doesn't make the issues pointed out not true.

Also Monarch gives your opponent 1 to 3 draws via Maxx "C": Edea summon Erebus; White Woman summons a Big Boy from deck; Trap Monster summons itself.

This guys uses Sky Striker and didnt see the theme of swapping mech suits and grabbing the “weapons” needed for battle?

Master duel needs more competitive formats for ranking than just the limited themed events. Whats the point of having nearly every card available when only the latest ones matter? Personally id go for an OU/NU format similar to pokemon showdown but having something like goat and edison would be good as well.

Purrely defenders be like "erm akshually we only have 2 delicious memory soooo we only have 20 cards that combo with each other☝️🤓"

I think the whole "trap cards no longer being any good" thing is just due to a change in purpose of monster cards, more specifically extra deck monsters. Back in the day, interaction on your opponent's turn was mainly down to trap cards and quick play spells, monsters didn't really have a quick disruptive effect so in order to prevent plays you needed backrow. Now that monsters have more disruptive capacity, there is less need for traps because monsters especially extra deck monsters are way easier to toolbox into than traps so you don't have to waste main deck space on cards which are situationally helpful and which do little when going second against an established board. An extra deck toolbox allows access to monsters which can break boards as well as ones which can prevent ideal boards being made whilst also putting pressure on your opponent in terms of threatening lethal, a bottomless can stop an opponent's big monster but it cannot get your opponent's lifepoints closer to 0 whereas a monster can. Trap cards are still reasonably powerful when searchable, i mean look at rescue-ace as another example of a deck which relies on backrow for interaction. Granted that is because Turbulence is an absolute behemoth of advantage generation and the deck has become insanely consistent due to recent support. They haven't been entirely powercrept out of the game but decks are generally more well-suited to toolboxing monsters and hence they will focus on those rather than traps. tl;dr - traps are no longer prevalent as the game has become more monster-centric.

My big gripe with Master Duel is that the rarity sistem is all over the place with decks that won't even see the light of day competitive wise having an UR-SR that you gotta get or the deck misses a very important piece or you get a bare down version of it, this is why most of the time with my friends we jump to Edopro instead On his flavor take is kinda debatable, yes there are decks with a gameplan centered around on a lorewise rol play but most popular cards in Yugioh are known for their effects much more than their lore specially in the competitive, Jinzo-Number 39 Uopia-Slifer comes to mind

The part about games feeling similar due to the extra deck is extremely valid. I think it’s especially true for combo decks. Pendulum decks, which are built with a ton of unique features end up only being truly viable when they run through the same boring Electrumite to Astrograph line. Most synchro decks will eventually spit out a Baronne. For every summoning mechanic, there’s a generic end board and it feels like only decks that build well into the generic end board pieces remain viable in the meta. There’s a lot more to this. I didn’t even mention how the various archetypes often play the same basic line every game. But that’s just my surface thoughts

Yeahh dude is absolutely right, the fact your only counter arguments are telling him to shut up or making fun of him being a stiffly vibtating vtuber (which is funny) kinda proves that much

It's frustrating to see the majority of watchers in chat (and for some also Farfa) miss the points that the original video was making entirely

Konami is trying everything to make people spend (they made at least 10 changes to the game to be more expensive) instead they quit cause none is going to spend 200$ on adeck

I enjoyed the fumble on explaining archetypes. But indeed, my favorite archetype is Magikey and, while there's people calling it "Kingdom Hearts", I call it "Solomon's Tower". Clavkiys is Solomon itself and has the key to unlock doors for new worlds, discovering new creatures and either taming them, becoming one of them or even absorbing their power.

Early yugioh had a lot of flavour text on cards so it wasn't a lot of bloat it was a lot of words to say even less, but that's fine becaue they were just telling a bit of a story or giving some info on the card's origin. It's very different to "When this card is flipped face up, draw 1 card" or "When this card is activated, draw POT OF GREED"

What’s really tragic is that whenever there IS an alternate format, nobody ever plays it. So I can see why Konami doesn’t even try.

When Farfa was talking about "the monster starter who get you into the extra deck monster and back to the main deck" I was litteraly summoning "black metal dragon" into "striker dragon", get "red M.D" and "Boot sector launch" then "Romulus" into "Dragon ravine" ... I think i undestand what he is talking about xD

Most of Rednu's points were valid but what happened to Papamutt isn't exactly surprising. I'm not saying that he deserved death threats or anything on that level but if you go into any community and exaggerate the flaws you will likely be attacked the same way he did by the toxic people of said community. That doesn't make the community as a whole bad just misrepresented by those people.

A way Konami could at least look like they're addressing the issues presented in this video is to introduce a 2nd ranked mode called experimental/testing grounds, where they do take in community feedback along with their data/statistics to create new banlists more frequently, throw on the Maxx C, floodgates, cheese OTK cards we see banned every event and see how the meta changes. They could even include trial cards that everyone can use for a limited time to generate hype for upcoming product, test new card designs in case something was overlooked, or prepare for a new master rule iteration. But considering this would require more work and effort to maintain, I doubt we'll get anything resembling it and instead get uh, more random card animations.

I like how his chat act like a bunch of sheep and don't have an opinion on anything. They literally say the guy has a bad take until farfa agrees and then they act like they agreed the whole time.

Another archetype that matches its theme is Vanquish Soul. They tag out like a 3v3 fighting game, and you can call in another card in your hand as an assist! I think that's cool as a TCG player, and FGC player :)

Adding to the themes. The whole concepts of the Kaiju as a deck is that you put one Kaiju in your opponent field and make it battle with a Kaiju of your own, making it a typical Kaiju enconter Movie in Kyoto as the common battlefield (Kyoutou Waterfront) and the humans ultimately creating a robot to destroy them (The Anti-Kaiju).

Allowing for different Time Wizard formats would also make sense for Komoney to do since it allows older cards that don't see play viable to pull (spend) for. It also adds another layer of "Should I keep X UR card for Y format or should I dust it for W UR card in Z format" in addition to the current meta cards, thus more reasons to pull (spend).

I do feel the Flavor thing can be explained as such: Magic was designed as a thematic wizard duel game first, while YGO was designed as a card game first. One of the ways that this can be noticed is that there are a lot of YGO cards that depict YGO cards. No, not things or characters from other cards, I mean the rectangles you're holding. Magic, by contrast, has very few cards that depict Magic cards, and those are put in the more loose and (mostly) lore-free "Un" sets, where flavor takes a bit of a backseat to have fun with mechanics. Another point could be said for how well the names of the cards evoke their function. I could ask a random person a number of Magic and YGO card names, and I'd probably get closer answers to what "Serra Angel" and "Colossal Dreadmaw" do versus "Firewall Dragon" or "Graceful Charity". Not that Magic is without flavor question marks, of course.

This is why stun decks are pretty much essential yet people hate on them so much.

Even MtG is running into power creep. Also, for those who haven't tried it, FAB (Flesh and Blood) is great. It gives me the speed of playing YGO with a resource system that you almost never need to worry about (e.g. being mana flooded or lacking mana in MtG).

Labyrinth makes traps good by circumventing the main reason traps are bad. So yeah, as long as you don't play traps like traps, they can be good.

In defence of YGO, when people compare it to MtG 90%+ of competetive commander decks play blue for access to counter spells. Which... makes games feel the same. If you read the description of 'power level 10' commander decks its functionally the same idea of combo lines as YGO decks. Standard does have less power creep but its far leas popular than commander. Honestly the biggest difference is the majority of people play for fun, theres also format options. In YGO the default is competative only.

I never use Maxx C and refuse to do so, but I'll tell you that as part of the 7%, I'm not having fun lmao

The way archetypes are designed in YGO these days - hermetically - no draft has any chance to happen. 90% of cards would be unpleyable, because they work only inside their own archetypes. And that's sad.

Playing long session of MD just when I want to, do my dailies for free gems for a little bit of time, and not pushing myself to hit Master 1 are things that help me enjoy MD and not get burned out :)

Every time I get the itch and hop onto Master Duel and start playing seriously again for a while, without fail SOMEONE is talking about how Master Duel is falling off or dying or whatever. Here's a personal opinion, if people are still playing the game in real life, attending events in the hundreds of thousands, and STILL watching the animes, Master Duel will be doing just fine. It'll have ups and downs but every damn game will. Even MTG has moments when fans feel less enthusiastic about the game but it passes every time. I hate the faster pace of games and always will but Master Duel absolutely is perfect for not only getting new players but also reigniting old boomer players passion for the game, I've actually started collecting cards again in real life because of Master Duel, because the Solo Duels that teaches you all the basic mechanics of the game and sheds light on a lot of fun archetypes. I am trying to find a way to make War Rock and Therion cards work and been testing numerous decks and I couldn't be having more fun because of all the practice I get in Solo Duels. The World Legacy story has unironically made me accept Link Summoning and fully invest in the mechanic. The game is fine, Kashtiras are cancer, and I'm still gonna play Dark Magician till the end of time.

Actually playing TCG and being free of The Roach made me quit MD

Yeah, I think the "lore and themes" point really missed the mark - personally I don't care about lore (tho ygo could probably do a better job at presenting it), but the archetypal approach to design has some fantastic and unique ides. Vaylantz letting you - and your opponent - play tabletop wargames, Nemleria's dream defenders protecting her from nightmares until she wakes up, Generaider setting up a raid boss at the start of you opponent's turn, or the Dragonmaids sweeping both sides of the field clean. There are so many examples of entire archetype mechanics that are fundemental to their respective themes, even when *each individual card* is just a weird paragraph of tiny text.

I feel like it's obvious but one of the best things about master duel being a good way to introduce someone into yugioh is due to master really holds your hand when it comes to activating effects and the chain of effects when they resolve. If you miss play in master duel it's on you and you can't go back. Plus it prevents accidental/purposefully cheating.

I remember back in 2012 when I was playing spellbooks at full power then when judgement got hit I switched over to Bujin and both were super fun in their own way. I do there could be a way in MD that we could play past formats without having to use UR for the banned or staples of that era. Like how I also think with the solo mode after you beat or clear a gate you should be able to use whatever card you want even if you don't have it crafted or if it's banned/limited. Same think with casual duel in MD except it follows the banlist. That way you have players that want to try new decks can and not have to go on rank. I feel like that would solve some of the issues.

I think shorter time limit for turn would help so its harder to pull off unstoppable combos. And rewarding players who pull off combos quickly and efficiently. Maybe a limmt some of the hand trap crards?

I think the "flavor" argument is a little different from what you're understanding it to be. In MTG, you understand that you're a wizard of sorts having a duel of magic with another wizard. In Lorcana, you're calling on characters from story lore using magical ink. In YGO, what are you supposed to be? In the old anime, it was a game played by spellcasters summoning monsters to fight one another. Then, it turned into interdimensional aliens, motorcycle racers, stage performers, VTuber hackers and so on. There's no consensus on what the flavor of the game is and it just makes it feel like Weiss Schwartz without acknowledging that it's so.

BO1 feels fucking MISERABLE to play, makes both winning the coin flip and drawing the out much more important, the banlist consistently hits petdecks harder than tiered decks and you're funnelled into ranked (the worst mode in every game). As much as I hate the bug, it's barely top 3 problems I have with MD.

As an outsider looking in YUGIOH has an insane skill floor. It is daunting to try to get back into the game after two decades of not playing. The same can not really be said for other TCGs like Pokemon and Magic which I play avidly.

If maxx"c" wasn't in the game you could tell people to play a low rarity strategy like pure tenyi or crusadia ftk to grind on low ladder and save their gems for the decks they want to play or are more viable. But now before you can play any deck you have to contend with the earth insect in every deck so you NEED ash blossums, called bys, crossouts, and the bug himself before you can play the game and konami knows that'll get more people waisting their free gems and have to pay to start playing.

I think this video basically spells out why Vanguard despite its own faults continues to be the main tcg I play cuz every deck has its own style and gameplay loop not to mention it's tempo is built over the course of many turns where as YGO is over in like 2. I do enjoy YGO as well but yea I definitely enjoy older formats more as while modern has some charm it's a bit ridiculous.

FINALLY, SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME SAID IT. The lack of popular homebrew formats is fucking depressing. There's historic formats, yes, but Yugioh lacks something like EDH/Commander. Players of this game need to be more willing to experiment with the rules of Yugioh in paper play if they want this game to evolve and remain relevant. And it needs to be grassroots because Konami has proven they won't support this shit. And more than anything, the design of it should be equally conducive to casual play as it is to competitive. Ideally, a homebrew format needs to produce a lower skill floor than the standard format if it wants to take off, and I do think that can be achieved without gutting a bunch of mechanics. Matter of fact, i think introducing new and tweaking current mechanics can allow for more creative deck builds if done right. And since we're not fucking with the standard format itself, there's no risk in going through this sort of experimentation. The closest i've seen at an attempt of this is probably something like Domain Format (aside from the homebrew I've been working on for over a year, but i'm not detailing that shit until I have the rules ironed out). And the only reasons Domain hasnt taken off - if i had to assume - is because PoG is legal at 1 (i've seen some complaints about that, but since its a singleton format, it really isnt a huge deal), and because no one is trying it. If MBT's Rotation Format series has proven anything, its that a homebrew Yugioh format in the modern day wont ever take off unless a popular KZfaqr is playing/covering it. It needs that initial boost in interest, it needs to still be accessible for online-only players, and it needs to have a solid forbidden & limited list for competitive play (either that or a reduced cardpool entirely, which i've heard described as a "bottom up" approach in discussions i've had regarding the development of my own homebrew).

I think a big thing personally is that Master Duel is a massive exposure to the state modern Yugioh is in. Alot of people can't afford how much it costs to make an IRL deck. So alot of them don't know just how much the game has changed and alot of the stuff that can happen that seems downright unfair. I still talk to people who think the game is still like it was in the original anime. Then the other factor is burn out. Its easy to burn out on Yugioh when you see the same things over and over and you know you have no out because its a best of 1 and some decks need specific counters to win against. Such as Turn 1 Labyrnth, Pure Kashtira, or Purrly.

I quit playing Master Duel just 'cause I don't want to spend a bunch of money on the game along with paper play. I'm too broke for that

The major problem with current yugioh is that you can have a pro player vs a 10 year old with a spreadsheet with the same deck and if the pro player lose the coin flip he have a high chance of losing

The lack of flavor argument is very weak, YuGiOh has great storylines, Branded and World Legacy are the big examples, and plenty of the decks reference or evoke something from other media or real life in their art or gameplay. The thing about Maxx "C" is true however. Who knows what does it need to happen before it gets banned (a few big banlists at least) but a single card being so important is a big issue. Overall, at least he gave the game a fair chance before quitting, and he does look like someone who would come back after a time and specially if Konami addresses the big issues in the game.

Yeah, I remember back in 2016, I was starting to get back into yugioh at the start of my first year in high school. Basically, this guy and I had free time during P.E, and we just started a duel just because. We ended up attracting a huge around, and the duel went on for about 5 minutes. The crazy thing is I was borrowing a starter deck and almost beat his blue eyes deck, I was playing out my ass due to the pressure. Afterward, he let me borrow the deck and he just never showed up at school from that day forward. I later found out that there was some sort of natural disaster in Texas or something like that, so he moved in to help his family so he changed schools and was already down there by the end of the weekend. So once I got in contact with him, he just told me to keep the deck. I still have it and am constantly making small adjustments over the years. I have it labeled my IRL Deck in master Duels

A lot of valid points are brought up here. In its current state I don't know if this game is salvageable. Konami can either rework the game to be more accessible and less convulated, or it can continue to be a niche game until it inevitably dies out. I understand that the modern game is really fun to a subset of people, but I genuinely believe it would be in Konami's best interest to attempt to fix the game before it spirals out of control.

magic is freaking full of powercreep what a stupid argument, its not even a decent factor, what boils in the end is that my duel was fun or not and it all comes to the cards in our hands in the start of the duel

They will never have player retention if they dont release packs like the recent 25th anniv staples. No new player will have enough to build the right staple URs and the deck they want. Anyone can get lost in the sea of cards and craft the card thay seems cool vs the one they actually need.

We got modern and poineer. Which are constructed tournament play based year of set that apply. Also, commander is a 4 player. In commander you can you use any card and many deck builds.

I play yugi irl on tournaments for almoast 9 years now. I prefered the slow past back then over the fast past gamplay nowdays too. However, back then, we just flupped vanities emptiness or i turboed out my darklaw, which rendered the opponent unable to play if bo out. You had to grinde the game out for like 4-5 turns to see if an out coul be drawn. These days i feel like 50 perc of my games are decided turn 2. From my experience, ots tournaments are still enjoiable . Even if you loose half of the games to the dive roll, you jsut play 4 games anywas and havent spent days preparing for those.

Say what you want about Purrely, but I’d actually argue it’s one of the most flavorful Yu-Gi-Oh archetypes out there. You’re literally using scrapbook photos to digivolve your little cat into different forms that gain more abilities the more memories it has with you!

He makes a lot of a fair takes but yugioh lacking flavour is NOT one of them. I hate kashtira from the bottom of my soul and think it is one of the worst creations of mankind but even i have to admit that even THAT has its own kind of flavour. The kashtiras are supposed to be a space colonial empire and their effects of banishin cards face down, shangri ira restricting your zones, and ariseheart stealing your banished cards under it is what it feels like to be fighting a colonial force that wants to deprive you of all your inner resources. The points i agree with the most is lack of alternate formats and maxx c. Why do we only get 1 event per month that lasts barely 2 weeks and usually is just "X summoning type only"? Why doesnt konami get more creative and more frequent with the events? Even if they give out less rewards it would create so much more incentive to play the game than just farming for gems if they make actually fun and balanced formats. And no, the loaner deck events arent real they cant hurt me.

25:20ish my favourite example of a yugioh deck with mechanics that synchronise with thematic is nemleria. She goes to sleep on a pile of pillows, her dreams come out to defend her, she wakes up when there are no more pillows to put her bed back together and go back to sleep. Very relateable.

The lack of additional formats and Konami's unwillingness to make long-term solutions has caused so many problems that it's hard to fix easily.

This was very interesting for me. I played yugioh as a kid. Absolutely loved it and played until my inky friend who played moved away from me. I started playing Duel Links pre pandemic and loved it!! Until I somehow lost access to all the cards I bought which was super frustrating. Post pandemic I started plating Magic and got into commander cause of my brother and was immediately hooked!! The cool thing is there are formats where you can play these decks that aren't top tier and still be competitive. I love Yugioh content and the nostalgia makes me want to play again but sadly it just seems like too much and I feel I wouldn't even be able to play the cards that make me nostalgic. So I feel like magic is a better game but yugioh hits that nostalgia. Anyways people should play what they enjoy but maybe one day there will be more formats for yugioh (like commander or pauper in magic) that will bring me back to the game.

I think he's actually correct on the flavor aspect, he just didn't explain it very well. (I also don't think it means Yugioh is worse) MTG design works extremely hard to make things feel like more than just a game. Every mechanic has a flavor reason for existing. Rules and card effects are DESIGNED to work completely intuitively to how they might work in the real world. That's another reason why they use keywords, because that gives the abilities more meaning than just words on a card. Cards and rules are designed in such a way that with only a basic understanding of the rules, you could easily play with most cards correctly. You don't have to know how the stack works to play instants in response to your opponent's cards, for example. The stack is basically irrelevant in most cases, you just do your thing in response to their thing and yours happens first. Wheras Yugioh's chain makes no mechanical sense to a new player. There's no logical tie-in to a physical scenario in which chainblocking against Ash makes sense. Or why your Fenrir doesn't trigger until the chain resolves. He's just sitting there waiting for you to finish? Yugioh's rules aren't more complicated, but they're designed SPECIFICALLY to make unintuitive interactions and outplays happen. It's not meant to be a representation of a fantasy world, it's a representation of a card game WITHIN a fantasy world. Yugioh designs cards to be interesting/unique/powerful game pieces, MTG designs cards within a carefully constructed formula of what each color should do and what abilities a card might have to keep that flavor intact. Obviously there are still flavorful.aspects to Yugioh design. But the flavor isn't found on individual cards as much, only when looking at an entire archetype the flavor makes sense. More often than not, individual archetypal cards are just [archetype] [random name]. The individual cards are just puzzle pieces that don't really make sense individually. It's a design choice, not a design flaw IMO.

On the note on the not needing to know pend thats very true yesterday at locals i played one of the best players at my locals with pendulum and i had to explain what the pendulum scales mean

I definitely agree that for players that probably don't have as much time to play but always have that desire to have fun playing Yu-Gi-Oh really need a weekly event rotation with less significant prizes (maybe only a few gems than hundreds) but does not require you to always craft new URs and they can experience experimentation and understanding older cards

I think a big part of the yugioh community are people who refuse to try other card games for various reasons(broke, yugioh takes up a lot of time already, investment, think adding on the complexity of another game is too much for them, etc.). That causes them to ignore the problems or simply not see them as they haven't tried other systems. I have this problem currently where i keep playing rogue level decks for a while until i can invest a little to play a better deck or get lucky with pulls from locals. So if i am already spending what little money i have making current decks better or getting a better one then i never really have the urge to play another game as i never have the money for it but i know if i did it could change my outlook on yugioh by having other games to compare it to.

I hope there will be tag or 2v2 on master duel

I call it Master FTK Duel. At least, my experience is going through 10-20 games in which every single one has FTK Meta decks boring games. Most win that I have in the game are people forfeting because they weren't first, or because I negated one or two summons, they don't even try to make a game, is like a miracle to find someone willing to play the game after 2 turns with no FTK. Those games are amazing and are the reason why I love the game, but the ratio is terrible out of 10 games 8 are terrible and just 2 are enjoyable. I only play it with friends in close lobbies with fun decks, but the actual rank game is the worst meta nightmare I have ever played.

Is not really Master Duel, but Yugi in general. The game is broken and needs serious changes, a lot of cards need to be banned, and there is a need to implement limits on SS.

I personally quit Master Duel because I was getting tired of having duels start with a 15 minute turn one combo and end with a scoop. Either the player going second scoops because they didn't draw the out or the player going first scoops because second player _did_ draw the out.

Swordsoul is the platonic ideal of modern Yugioh design. Yes, you make a lvl8 and lvl10 every turn, but you don't make the same ones every game. Additionally, you don't make them in the same way every game. Mo Ye is the main starter but Vishuda and Adhara make an 8 as does Taia. It searches at most twice and summons directly from deck at most twice. But doing these things telegraph not only your combo but also your hand and they don't allow you to make many generic powerhouses in addition to your archetypal monsters; you must choose. You also aren't doing all four in the same turn because of HOPT effects. Unfortunately, wyrms have a small card pool, the best ones are banned, and Swordsoul's strongest card is an Icarus Attack.

Adding more options for casual rooms like tournament, more REAL formats, personalize ban list, would do the thing for more fun. And for Maxx C...is a necessary evil that I wish it would be limited at least, but if Komani semi limit it...I would take as a tiny win...hopefully

I'm curious for any yugioh player here, are you guys enjoy defeat your opponent by strike your monster to your enemy or make your enemy surrender?

I saw this 1 a few weeks ago Good points made (mostly)

"power creep isn't as bad in MTG" This is a terrible take, legit awful. Not only is every format not named exactly EDH or draft doing terrible right now, but they made a change to standard rotation which has made things WORSE, that being adding an extra year to rotation cycles, meaning BS you're sick of takes an extra YEAR to go away. The banlist is so weak ATM that things people are sick of and are knowingly broken are still kicking for pre-errata firewall dragon-levels of "been around too fucking long" Every set now has at least one rare or mythic with questing beast-level text bloat BS(for the yugioh only crowd, it kills anything it fights before damage calc, ignores monsters with less than, say, 1,000atk/def, ignores destruction immunity, and one more effect i can't easily translate, that being damage it deals it also deals to a planeswalker), and vanillas have been pack filler for 15 years now, even at high rarity with cards like "yargle and multani" being only used as a fling target. To say "power creep doesn't exist in MTG" is either ignorance or a lie. you can see it in formats like modern or legacy where the amount of banned cards have gone up significantly the newer you go. They haven't bothered to control the power creep. Yugioh DOES have a way to control the power level. An aggressive banlist policy. Also MTG arena fucking sucks, it rigs draft against you, it changes whether you go first or second depending on your winrate, and there's more, look up "how MTGA cheats you"

I'm less experienced with modern yugioh but I consider Maxx C to be good for me. It helps plug that huge gap between the player going first and second. If an enemy player can, unpunished, set up a board capable of negating 3+ effects as a quick effect then player 2 needs to be able to respond to that by accumulating more cards.

Has Konami ever said to anyone why Maxx C remains unlimited in the OCG and/or MD? Pretty sure Konami does zero communication with its player base except for new product announcements.

The thing with his Maxx C argument. Yes. TCG players all agree it is the worst thing to exist. But OCG players also hate the bug. We had an OCG player play at our locals over the summer while he was visiting family, and he said he enjoyed playing the TCG because Maxx C is banned (granted same dude also rolled up to CYAC format with Striker but... 🤷‍♂️)