Yes I actually started thinking about this topic when I started to have back and wrist pain last year. Turns out - it was mostly because i didn't have my seat adjusted properly. I have a leap chair at work, but I had it too low, not far back enough, and arms not at the right places. After I got it adjusted, the pain has significantly decreased. But as I type this, I'm currently sitting in a very uncomfortable Ikea chair at home, which I think I really need to replace soon.

@@ARTiculations a!!°AA!

If you can buy one used I would highly recommend also. Buying used chairs is great as they are often still in fantastic condition

Hehe ^_^

same! I am a bit sad that she hasn't been uploading since 2019 tho.

From Tom Scott's channel obviously! Quality content attracts us, the curious connoisseurs. I'm glad to be here too.

@@DaisyZhangAI will be uploading another design related video very soon! 😊

I do know why I'm here but I'm more wary.

Yes this is a good point. Really a lot of products are worth what they're worth because people are willing to pay for it. But in general, the issue I face is - I sometimes deal with clients who always want to cheapen out on the products in their projects. And I'm trying to convince them that there is intrinsic value in investing in a more expensive product - and it's not just all hype and market inflation. Thus I decided to not touch on that point in this video. But - it definitely is still one of the driving factors of cost.

also good points! Though I don't think it's all smoke and mirrors. Like one cost you outlined is ergonomics research. That has a cost and there is a clear benefit. But that benefit might not have been widely agree on once upon a time. The first chair to have "ergonomics research" probably needed really good marketing to convince people ti was worth paying for. Maybe today since it's more widely accepted you don't need to market it as hard. But if you came up with some new chair tech that made sitting a lot better / heather / whatever you would have to do the extra marketing to show people it was worth what ever the extra cost was. And the bigger the extra cost the better you would have to convince people. talking with cheap clients is always hard. but I wish you the best of luck!

All excellent points both of you. I just want to add that corporations, and IMO, especially government offices don't mind paying more than premium if they think they can write it off or if the contract is with some executive's relative. Of course, I can't prove my hypothesis, but I can tell you that I've seen offices pay WAY above the market price for office items. I'm not talking $10 above; I'm talking paying $100 for an item, when you can get it for $20 item on Amazon.ca. And don't forget the services they pay for, which can be hundreds of dollars when you can do it for almost nothing, like re-routing network connections. Reckless and outrageous spending.

So the iPhone X effect.

Thing is, these chairs are mostly bought by companies, and budget is always on their mind. If they could get away with 50$, or even 200$ chairs, they would buy those. But a 50-200$ chair will need replacement more often, and servicing them so often is out of the question because it's simply not worth the money for parts and labor to do it. All while keeping your employees(including the ones that decided to buy them) miserable on crappy chairs that always break. If you go by the average life expectancy of these chairs, which is common to be around 10 years, it's really not that expensive. It's just that people have a hard time putting a cost into long-term perspective. (I'm talking about the "western" lifestyle, where some people pay 5$ on coffee each day) If you actually go and try them out, you will see it's not just marketing and hype, they do scale with price. Yes they are expensive, but they are not overhyped. No you don't need to buy one and can live a perfectly healthy life without one, but what would you rather use for 10 years? A great ergonomic chair, or 5 mediocre ones? What about after 10 years, would any of those 5 chairs still be fixable and usable in any way?

What's your favorite chair? Im considering the aeron

Check Motushul x Maratti mission chair.

you mean inexpensive...

Capitalism

Thanks lol

I don’t believe that a person just threw a Herman out

It’s is mostly for safety reasons - so if someone collapses or is in trouble. It’s easier for staff/others to help. We have a place at our work that treat people with addiction problems and often we have clients who overdose on drugs and pass out in the restroom stall - having gaps (while less private) usually helps us notice people in trouble easier. In newer buildings though - we prefer to design fully partitioned rooms similar to Europe with an “assist button” people can press if they need help. Some staff still prefer the stalls with gaps though because they say some people don’t know to ask for help.

@@ARTiculations Thanks! That’s interesting - there really _is_ a reason. (I thought it was just half-baked design or cost-cutting.) Thanks _so_ much for answering! (Do a video on it. ☺️)

pretty much

"*Note: I don't actually know if this is how they test misuse, this is just how I imagined it lol" That's an imagination right there.

well replace the foot of the chair for wheels and you have your self a office racing chair.

Yeah sometimes a cheaper chair ends up working out. Usually college students don't actually use the chair in their dorm very much - since you are mostly in class, at the library, out around campus and such. And perhaps the Snille chair happened to also be suitable for your body and preferences. So definitely - it's not always necessary to spend a lot - especially for a lightly used piece of furniture.

Kelleen BRX hehe thanks! I was very happy I found a place to use that word haha.

Did it tear or something?

@@dylanloo9856 yes holes in the mesh.

@@trainluvr Damn, how about sagging? Did the mesh sag b4 it broke?

@@dylanloo9856 no

Thanks!! Hope you enjoy your new chair! Feel free to report back and give us a review haha.

I believe the saying is "buy once, cry once".

If you do the math, the S&P 500 has been returning about 12% historically if I remember correctly. If you compound $1000 for 12 years and re-invest the dividends, that gives you $1000 x 1.12^12 = $3895.98. You may be lucky and get more, or you may be unlucky and get less, but that's the expected value of an investment of $1000 over 12 years. I've been using a basic IKEA chair at work for about 10 years, 8 hours a day, and it was still perfectly functional when I left my job. I think it was worth about £120 when new (about $160).

@@chesshooligan1282 Good analysis and point of view. The cost of the chair is one paycheck for me at my current job, and I'd rather have it than not. Ultimately, whether it is worth it or not depends on the point of view of the person, the budget, and situation since in example the chair I have at work was paid for by the company but the one I have at home I paid for. For me, it's a go but I agree you can also invest that money and watch it grow.

@@satanicmonkey666 You only live once and you can't eat the money. If the chair makes you happy, I think that's great. We all have some little thing that we like to treat ourselves to.

I don't know where to get light welding done near Oslo but wish you good luck. That sounds like a chair that would be comfortable for another 20 years with a little repair work.

Haha aww that's ok. Most of my coworkers also cannot appreciate the value of a good chair either lol. Thanks for sharing nonetheless! =)

Haha I actually made this video while sitting on a shitty ikea chair thats giving me back problems. Part of the reason i made this is I realized recently I should have spent more money when I bought my chair. A mistake I must remedy soon.

With mesh there's no bottom, so after years of use the mesh will just sag compared to bottoming out on a hard wood/plastic base.

leap seat pan and backrest are shaped to fit your body so they dont need so much cushions to be comfortable. Cheap chairs have flat bottom and back so they need a lot of cushions to conform to your body.

Used steelcase leap is under 300€

There is a consensus among researchers ; headrests are not so good for you. Your head need to move freely during long sessions to avoid pain and health conditions. If you use a headrest, i advice to not use it all the time, it will have consequences on a long run. But you should be fine if you use it only for short resting sessions.

@@drez1274 can you point to the publication? I did not find for such information, I found many articles that chair should have headrest instead.

and the odd thing on a good sale goes miles further in quality.

in the sense that you pay for not doing due diligence with your buttocks and spine, yes. I'm using a boardroom mesh chair from my fathers old work, so it's not ideal for computer desk use (armrests jut forward too much, seat adjustability isn't right, like theres only one setting for the seat slider/back tilt/chair height that lets you sit properly, and thats with everything at the maximum) but it was probably $1500 when new, and i got it for $0 so i guess i'll just live with it until it literally falls apart

I think the design of chairs are getting even better with improvement in CAD and design. This isn't the ideal example but I have the Aeron Chair mentioned in the video at my workplace but I have a Serta "Big and Tall" executive style chair at my home office and I am more comfortable in the Serta. Why? I think it is because it is overbuilt to support a much larger and heavier person than I and support them well for 6-8 hours a day. The Aeron on the other hand is good but the style, like many trendy things, is put ahead of comfort in some ways and gets in the way sometimes. Keep in mind you still get what you pay for but occasionally style is a factor in that too. The Aeron cost over $900+ in my case and the Serta I bought was $220 on sale or $350 at MSRP. Anyway just some food for thought. Cheers!

Interesting. Thanks.

You clearly never buy a Dxracer to say that

Sorry for the wait! I had a crazy few months haha. But definitely going to do my best to upload regularly from now on!

ARTiculations can u make a video about what makes a book expensive or cheap

Oooh interesting question - I'll need to look into that. Noted as a potential future topic. Thanks!

And if you are truly in the market for one, you will spend hours, days of research.

Nope. Wal-Mart sells office chairs for $40.

@@nathanjohansen7169 r/woooosh, Do you even meme bro!? The meme is from pewdiepie!

@@katsudom Alas, I do not meme...

@@nathanjohansen7169 hmmm, touche

*mine cAnt*

I visited their website to check the prices. They really do think they are selling you a piece of modern art, and the price is as arbitrary as art itself.

I got one specifically for the mesh, and I don't even live in a super-hot climate (I'm trying to account for the fact that I'm Canadian; my idea of "hot" is 25C >.> ). I've had it for...enough years that I forget when I got it, still works just fine, though the arm pads are a little worn and could use replacing.