Why Aren't More Bikes Made Out Of Titanium?

Why Aren't More Bikes Made Out Of Titanium? | Ask GMBN Tech

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@thim8009 7 ай бұрын

If a person wants to smooth out the ride on a hardtail, get larger volume tires and inserts.

@edreilly6674 7 ай бұрын

Another reason to end at the valve with a tire and tube is that you can push the valve up into the tire (not all the way, of course) and ensure that the tube is out of the way in case you need to use tire irons for the last bit. I start on one side of the valve and work my way around to the other side.

@ThunderStruckMTB 7 ай бұрын

To "smooth out" your hardtail without buying a thing, you need to adjust your tire pressure. You'll be blown away by what 1-2psi can do in terms of harshness. Same goes your your fork. Use some sweat equity and time to dial in your fork and tires before pulling out that credit card.

@blairrighton6270 7 ай бұрын

I bought a Litespeed Ti HT frame (brand new) 24yrs ago and haven't looked back since, I still clock 200kms a week on it. The selling points were the ride quality (very compliant) stiffness and light weight. Suggest those that haven't yet to try one.... it will be a game changer

@kevinburke1325 7 ай бұрын

The only thing that is stopping me from getting a titanium bike is that no bike shop near me works on titanium bikes. It takes a specialist to work on one.

@1dameister1 7 ай бұрын

@@kevinburke1325 Then work on the bike yourself. Anybody can learn how to hold a wrench and rebuild a fork.

@kevinburke1325 7 ай бұрын

@@1dameister1 easier said than done. There's a reason why it takes a specialist to work on a titanium bike... I also don't have room for a workshop for bikes. It is one of those things that is simply not taught in the state of Georgia.

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

I put over 200k miles on my Seven. It's on lifetime trainer duty now though. It made sense when I bought it but even midrange frames ride much better than titanium does

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

@@kevinburke1325 who told you that?😂 It doesn't take a specialist to work on. The only difference between working on titanium and aluminum/steel bikes is the titanium needs a different grease for contact points with non-titanium metal. That same grease can be used on aluminum/ steel bikes too though. *There's really no reason to buy a titanium bike these days unless you have very special geometry requirements or maybe if you want a lightish bike for loaded touring

@stevenconnor4221 7 ай бұрын

Ti , because there is no money to be made in something that will last your lifetime at least

@ShadLife 7 ай бұрын

I have a titanium Esker Hayduke hardtail and it is amazing. A hardtail is a lot less complex and thus easier to manufacture. The frame cost me close to $3k, so not cheap. A full suspension titanium frame would be through the roof cost wise!

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

There are carbon frames that are more expensive than titanium frames.

@ShadLife 7 ай бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan It's pretty unlikely, at least with full suspension frames, that a carbon one would cost more than a titanium one. Sure, it's possible, but extremely rare.

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

@@ShadLife no its not. Just look at every FS S-works bike. Seven has FS bikes starting at $9k and you're only getting an S-Works hardtail for that price

@ShadLife 7 ай бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan Most titanium full suspension frames cost between $4500 - $5000. There are exceptions and of course there are some really expensive carbon frames. A Specialized S-Works carbon full suspension frame comes in at around $3900 or so. It's entirely possible a carbon full suspension frame can cost more than a titanium full suspension frame. But if you put them both on equal footing, meaning they are highly crafted to top spec and no corners cut, the titanium will cost more to manufacture.

@SnowShackboy 7 ай бұрын

@@ShadLife That seems about right price wise. I think the Roost FS titanium bike is $4500 USD with no shock included and I've seen some custom builders offer a Ti frame for $5k. I've maybe seen like a couple of carbon frames that come close to that price without a shock included

@netposerx 7 ай бұрын

I have a set of Ibis MTB wheels and they are asymmetrical. I've learned to put the bead on the 'long' side of the rim first, then the short section. I learned that the hard way.

@greganthony9769 7 ай бұрын

I miss Doddy

@noke1785 7 ай бұрын

i polished the crown from my rockshox-30gold-fork,stem,seatclamp,and customized some alibaba cranks - mirror finish is my way to go...its way easier u think and i highly recommend. feel free to ask ;)

@plainuser48596 7 ай бұрын

"Why isn't titanium used by pros" =/= "Why aren't more bikes made out of titanium"

@feedbackzaloop 7 ай бұрын

kinda ≃, since pros most commonly have to buy factory production frames or promote factory production frames.

@RisseK1 7 ай бұрын

Well yeah, pros don't use titanium frames because more titanium frames aren't made. Try thinking.

@FOTB407 7 ай бұрын

@@RisseK1that was mean

@Ferrari255GTO 7 ай бұрын

@@RisseK1they ARE made, just that they're uncommon, often built to customer spec, and therefore ABSURDLY EXPENSIVE. Asking a brand to engineer a whole full sus frame for you in a common material is already ridiculously expesive by itself, just imagine adding the cost of titanium work to it and you get a shitstorm anyone would run away from with the expensive tools, materials, and custom desing by professionals under your needs and criteria. Remember that seth's bike was 6k as a HARDTAIL and the thing has close to 15K in total with components.

@micgalovic 7 ай бұрын

The price of raw TI is something that gets underestimated a lot

@user-tn1vc1xz5d 7 ай бұрын

Titanium is hard to machine and weld. If you are too gentle, the swarf welds itself to the blade. "You don't tickle titanium" as a machinist once said. I wear titanium glasses, the lightest I can get 😊 Aerospace has experience in avoiding contamination etc. which can come from chloride in water used for cooling.

@charleswinston2495 7 ай бұрын

Hope specifically recommend storing their brakes the right way up. The small holes in the brake fluid reservoir can leak oil otherwise.

@joelrunyan1608 7 ай бұрын

You should periodically give your bike some upside down time to get the foam oiled... even if the wipers leak. Still do it

@davidpinnington213 7 ай бұрын

if you have a Geiger counter to hand just put it near a Ti component - you maybe surprised how much came from the Black Sea Fleet decommissioning

@benjy288 7 ай бұрын

What a revolutionary idea, putting a motor on a bike, why didn't someone think of this a century ago?

@s_cycle1921 7 ай бұрын

They gave strange cost focussed answers to the Ti V Ca question. None of the professional racers would care about cost. Carbon fibre composite has a x3 (or more) strength per unit weight advantage over Titanium in an ideal world (stress aligned with fibre axis). Near joints where stress is multidirectional, the advantage is less but still x2 can be achieved if you understand the load paths and design the fibres to suit. That is the primary metric. Still, Ti is a great material and when I grow up I'd like to own a Tom Sturdy bike, he's just showing how to do it right.

@Hiefi97 7 ай бұрын

I have a Airdrop Edit V2 i currently do not use anymore. I would like to transfer it into a parkbike. I am curious, if i could put a 170mm ZEB to it, or if this would ruin my geometry completely. How is your approach on such big changes?

@humperdidoo 7 ай бұрын

Air in a closed hydraulic system is exactly that. It shouldn’t matter if the bubbles are at one end or the other.

@chrisl2656 7 ай бұрын

Maybe this is just a terminology misunderstanding, but why the repeated mentions of “commercially pure” Ti? I was under the impression that it was always used as an alloy, generally 3Al2.5V for tubes and 6Al4v for stuff like dropouts. Has something changed that?

@Rose_Butterfly98 7 ай бұрын

Is that a high pivot full floater titanium in the thumbnail? I want that.

@reggie5989 7 ай бұрын

#AskGMBNTech I there any concerns with bike frames that have carbon front triangles? I noticed some bike are like this and I wounder why.

@MrGrayFox0 7 ай бұрын

#askgmbntech I'm using a Bike Yoke Revive 2.0 dropper post. The manufacturer says that it is not allowed to lay down in a horizontal position or it could leak. Would it be a probleml to hang the bike in a SteadyRack?

@dancogdon 7 ай бұрын

#askgmbntech My son has just bought a Commencal Supreme V4 frame and I have been looking for parts to build this up and am struggling with the cranks. The shell for the BB is 107mm wide and push fit, it currently has a DUB bottom bracket fitted. What cranks will fit this frame? We tried a set of DUB boost SRAM cranks but the spindle was too short, am I correct that the 107mm BB shell is a downhill specific size and only downhill cranks will fit? I have read that BB107 push fit is the same overall width as BB83 threaded is that correct? I never realised how many different BB widths, diameters and spindle sizes there were!!

@Momivepoopedintheshower 7 ай бұрын

#askgmbntech when should I choose rockshox super deluxe ultimate over new vivid, which one is better for enduro

@LaurentiusTriarius 7 ай бұрын

I got a 1999 ti kona hei hei, one of the best I've had, still in top shape even if it's a decorative piece. Why not another ti bike? Cats, kids, expenses 😂

@user-db5kf7lk5d 7 ай бұрын

#askgmbntech Is it ok if you leave your dropper post down when you store your bike for a short period of time(like 24 hrs) ?

@netposerx 7 ай бұрын

What? That's not 'storing' your bike. And no, up or down isn't going to matter in that time. Not sure about long term storage. Good luck finding a definitive answer for long term storage.

@dystopiaisutopia 7 ай бұрын

Yes, it doesn't matter for any time. I keep mine in my trunk all the time.

@LebronPhoto1 7 ай бұрын

I remember in the 1970's using Brasso to polish the aluminum components on my race bike. Lots of work, but it helped ensure the bike was properly being maintained mechanically also.

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

Too bad that oxide layer you kept polishing off was actually protecting it from corrosion😅 Old parts had a lot more metal due to less machining so it made little difference but polishing aluminum is definitely not a good thing. The shiny aluminum parts you see today have a surface treatment that acts similarly to that oxide layer but that wasn't true with our old stuff

@LebronPhoto1 7 ай бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan i had no issue with those parts being polished. Being a racer at the time, that bike was constantly maintained corrosion never had a chance to impact the aluminum alloys. It’s something I learned to do from the older racers. Living on an island at the time, I saw what happened to regular people bikes that didn’t get this kind of attention. My experience and I lived it, but what do I know, I’m obviously stupid. Thank you for the education.

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

@@LebronPhoto1 like I said, there's enough material there that it survived your stupid decisions. You comparing your polished components to totally unmaimtained components aren't the same thing as comparing your components to properly maintained components. This is very simple chemistry that's obviously above your very limited understanding

@LebronPhoto1 7 ай бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan BTW: here is chat GPT’s answer to Does polishing aluminum damage it. No, polishing aluminum does not inherently damage it. In fact, polishing can enhance the appearance of aluminum by removing oxidation, scratches, and other imperfections, giving it a shiny and smooth finish. However, it's important to use appropriate polishing techniques and products specifically designed for aluminum to avoid potential damage. You should get with the programmers and update the algorithm to correct this answer.

@veganpotterthevegan 7 ай бұрын

@LebronPhoto1 I never said it damaged it. It opens the aluminum to more damage though. *I'm a metal worker. I have no need for your uninformed nonsense. And "being a racer" means nothing. I've been a bike mechanic and a pro cyclist. That has nothing to do with knowing metallurgy though.

@jed210 7 ай бұрын

Why do bikes have a bigger rotor on the front than the rear? Surely you would want more stopping pier on the rear than the front #AskGMBNTech Thanks

@LaurentiusTriarius 7 ай бұрын

If you polish aluminium an oxide layer will instantly form, like a story of milliseconds. So yeah don't worry too much about laquer the oxide layer will hold for awhile 😂

@mattfarrar5472 7 ай бұрын

Did you have a big one Issac? - Your arm and hand has some nice recent scars hey!

@mikemarion2154 7 ай бұрын

has anyone proposed an "effectively" drinking game?

@chrisprysok7634 7 ай бұрын

They wanted to but they realized they already charge for it. But still provide aluminum alloy.

@feedbackzaloop 7 ай бұрын

That sassy look after "unskilled workforce" regarding carbon layup! Oomf

@ddrowdy2 7 ай бұрын

For the prices they charge, the bikes should be made of Titanium. Carbon is used because it is cheap and a fad but carbon has some major disadvantages like lack of durability and difficulty of repair. I wouldn't waste my money on a carbon frame or wheels.

@jamesmincher3435 7 ай бұрын

Why ain't brake calipers made from titanium I snap calipers easy so annoying

@NiohNiohYT 7 ай бұрын

Carbon is longer lasting than titanium (absolutely no corrosion whatsoever, thermal expansion does not affect it *at all* so longevity is on point there, it doesn't change it's properties over time, etc), it's also much more comfortable ride as upper half of modern carbon frames is intentionally made with low mod UD carbon to be flexible, yet it's much stiffer hence more efficient in lower half of frame - it is simply more comfortable *and* better performing at the same time, and it's lighter, which further increases performance. Also carbon tubes can be shaped as you wish - further increasing beneficial properties by multiple times like strength and stiffness. It is just incomparably better material for bike, especially professional level than any metal alloy. Ofc UK steel fanboys say different, and uneducated ppl reasoning based on uneducated reddit posters believe metal is stronger, but it doesn't work like that in reality.

@ancogbernard 7 ай бұрын

many pro used alloy and titanium these days🥴🥴 carbon wont last its just a plastic if you do your research.

@powerkraut007 7 ай бұрын

LOL 😂😂😂 Put a carbon tube, an alu tube and a steel tube into an industrial hydraulic press an you will see how weak carbon tubes are.

@NiohNiohYT 7 ай бұрын

@@powerkraut007 LOL :D :D :D Carbon is stronger, by multiple times, sorry

@NiohNiohYT 7 ай бұрын

@@ancogbernard many pro use carbon these days :D :D carbon will last longer, if you do your research.

@powerkraut007 7 ай бұрын

@@NiohNiohYT😂😂😂 What about weak threads in carbon tubes?

@therainbowgulag. 7 ай бұрын

Cus there's more profit in carbon.

@ellerybice3787 7 ай бұрын

Hey blondie! What do you mean by asking WHY?

@dominicbritt 7 ай бұрын

…because Titanium is strong in some ways, but it is a very soft metal even when used in alloy form. It is NOT robust and is more prone to denting and cracking than other metallic frames.

@bradsanders6954 7 ай бұрын

Aluminum is lighter than titanium, for one thing. And Aluminum is cheaper and much more widely used.

@ninjazzrhythm400 7 ай бұрын

She just exposed the trick to verify if your brakes needs ro be bled. Lay it upside down andnif the brakes becomes dead, you need to bleed it. Brakes should have no air what so ever in the system.

@albertocastillo4572 7 ай бұрын

Wait a minute, you said that Carbon is Cheap and bad for the environment and easy to build by unskilled labor... so why are those frames so expensive?, why not use something that produces recyclable waste like aluminium and steel instead and back to the its "cheap" and produced by "unskilled" labor I'm just going to say I rather have anything else but carbon.

@fuckinellitsraymo 7 ай бұрын

Too expensive

@LaurentiusTriarius 7 ай бұрын

Generally speaking for the quality of matrix & the way carbon fiber is layed for frames it should be way cheaper than it is, probably cheaper than 7075 if you look carefully. So why? It's a new technology?! 😂 Not really... Imma tell u a secret: It's GREED 😈