Fully agree. This is beyond ridiculous.

Yes your right, the CAN bus system originally came about for engines to help comply with environmental issues but things have gone a long way since then. The premise keep it simple has definitely not happened here. If anything the manufacturers have stepped up securing more modules to stop work being done away from dealer networks.

they dont lock it down....just have to pay for the information like what the wizard said lol they're just making it harder (ie:special tools etc) but they do sell you what you need. big difference.

That's how cars are made today they make them harder to work on so they can make you bring it to a dealership

@@herewegoagain7403 That's true, but if they refused to sell you access to information plus tools, that would leave them open to litigation, especially in the USA.

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REV UP YOUR ENGINESSSS!!!!

I was just gonna post "Because you're not Scotty" when I saw the headline why can't i fix this

Scotty the misleading YT title guy.

@Gene Wright 3rd party vendors make these parts for almost all manufacturers.

And boy he can YELL

How are the new LS's holding up with the V6 Turbo?They are on my radar screen as a CPO purchase next year.

@@emeyer6963 so far so good! I had an idler pulley go out on one and an alternator on another but those were both fluke things and covered under warranty. Like the wizard says, no such thing as a perfect auto maker and lexus is no exception, but I do agree that they tend to hold up better than other manufacturers for sure. Other than those little fluke things i have only really done maintenance on them. There was a recall on the tires at some early on but those are pretty much taken care of and then there are some with the fuel pump recall but thats covered and not really a big deal to have done. All the vehicles with the updated fuel pumps havent had any issues so far from my experience. With any manufacturer id say its a bit early to tell for any major issues with the new LS500 but given the lexus track record and how good the Lexus CPO warranty is, you can't really go wrong getting one CPO. They are INCREDIBLY comfortable and I think the interior is beautiful. They drive like a dream, id say overall a good buy!

Hi, Matt! Is it possible to send you a PM by email or anything else?

@@shakenbake330 Just took delivery of a 2017 LS 460 CPO with less than 5k miles and really love it. Are brake actuator problems still an issue with the last of these 4th gen beasts?

@@groberts1780 its mainly the early ones that this was an issue so like 07-09ish roughly off the top of my head, I feel like I've done one 12 model but its pretty consistent with the early versions of this platform. I would assume they updated it when they realized there was an issue. Congratulations on taking delivery of your LS460! Im sure you will love it, they are incredibly comfortable cars!

The original actuator lasted that long? I have one 80k miles.

@@BasedSwaghoe, Yes Lexus replaced mine at 110,000. I downsized to the IS after driving the LS for 25 years.

you Kept it well. Great Job! nice one.

So you screwed them over.nice job

This exact one ?

Automotive Locksmith. sounds like a cool job!

that actually sounds pretty nice instead of paying a hefty yearly expense.

Where

Probably the manufacturer of the part itself, which may or may not be able to be contacted through the distributor.

They should have used a brushless motor then. The cost is astronomical anyway.

At a local electrical shop that rebuilds motors. I fully disassembled them

I like the way you think, There's always more then 1 way to repair most problems, Just as long as the end result ends up in a completed repair. 👍🇺🇸

And expensive if something like what he does breaks 😂😂

@@miguelvega7769 I did my research before I bought my 08 LS460. The most expensive repairs are for the brake actuator (about $3k at the dealership) and replacing the front control arms (as @CarWizard showed). Lexus will charge an average of $500 PER CONTROL ARM and $5,000+ for the whole job! I followed another KZfaqr who recommended RockAuto and Mevotech control arms. I got all EIGHT control arms for $700 (including the shipping) and was charged about 6 hours worth of labor by my local mechanic to do it (along with some other stuff). Just got to be smart about it and do your research - like Hoovie does.

No, they're not that bad to fix. The abs actuator and the control arms are really all that go wrong with them. The engines eat oil at about 150k miles and the valley needs to be resealed. Thats it. Cheaper to fix than buy new.

The brake actuator really only affects the LS models from 07-09

Lexuses of this era were my dream car. Now they look like space alien vehicles.

Exactly people say Bmws are good cars because they accept the many flaws they have just because it drives good. Man listen I can't do it. This is 1 issue that once fixed its over for that issue. These cars are bullet proof and this is a flaw that actually does not matter because the overall car is spectacular. I have a gs f sport and I'm trying to figure out if I'm gonna get a 2018 gsf or a 2018 ls. I can't figure it out yet if I want a true sports sedan or a flag ship lux. Decisions Decisions 🤔

@@therealsyxx i would get the gsf and I would get an older ls430 as those are bullet proof too and very comfortable.

They burn oil like crazy

@@timesup6302 you just have to check on the oil regularly, but they key is maintenance. Buy a good quality oil like aimsoil, change you spark plugs, pcv valve and do 5k interval oil changes and you’ll be good. Most oil burning issues come from lack of maintenance and prolonging their oil changes too far.

@@junior17medval That's pretty much any car. Diligent maintenance

Japanese style ages so well. Think Acura NSX, Nissan R34 etc still eye candy over a decade later

I just picked up a 2008 Honda Odyssey with 77000 miles for $7000 Canadian (like 5500 USA) certified ... looks just as good as the 2021 models

@@shawnpepin7890 ok shawn calm down its a mini van

@@Cynshamcalm down??? I was nothing but calm.. how about you get some passions instead of knocking someone else’s comments...

@beast boy yes

That's why I miss the old days when you could do any work to a car

And without huge expense...

@@whollymindless Yes, exactly . A few states are starting to pass laws about it. Hopefully it will lead to a better accessibility to diagnostic software.

I believe there are dealer lobby groups also. They would prevent this from going mainstream because no one would ever use dealer service Depts!

@@Veikra The feds want to make it a federal law.

There are a lot of car wizard-like mechanics out there

@Kris Nicholson that "safety check" by a professional after a self would just still allow them to charge outrageous prices making it basically not worth it to repair your own vehicle just say you are anti consumer and go

I would agree I drove a toyota sienna van, the only thing I replaced was the brake pads and the water pump and timing belt service at 145k miles.

Man, 5000 miles is too much for a oil. Consider 3500-4000 miles and your car will be thankful to you even more. And check under the valve cover. If the oil don't gets dirty, then maybe it's all inside the motor

I don’t think that this will be the case with newer Toyotas, they have increase the complexity of the engines so only specialist will be able to do anything medium to major. The old style ones were easy to service and repair.

@@intraxx88 Frequent oil change is useless. Americans are duped into it to spend precious $$$. Modern synthetic oil can be changed at 8000 miles easily. When I had my BMW e46 330d, I did 10000miles/15000km intervals and I sold the car with 400 000 km on odometer running like a clock.

@@UMORIEGA longlife oils are not so longlife anyways. Frequent oil change helps the engine last longer than prescribed 150K miles. The more you throttle, the frequenter got to be change

I watch Louis as well. And stuff like this makes me furious whenever I'm reminded of it.

@@tqbf Many companies trying to be like a software company. You don't own the software. You subscribe to use their software.

@@Rhaspun Yes, except now instead of $150 to $300 to license a copy of Windows, now it's $20,000 to $40,000 to "license" a luxury automobile or farm equipment. All that money and you "own" nothing... Software licensing is their business model and it makes sense in that regard. With cars for example it's just excess greed plain and simple. And John Deere is trying to make our food producer's slim profit margins even slimmer.

@@tqbf These manufacturers will tell us that it is this way to ensure the quality control is maintained after the sale.

@@Rhaspun Assuming of course they actually care what happens after the sale. LOL

Honestly the new lexus's front ends have grown on me, specifically the ES's and the newest LS and the LC500, But ive also had the pleasure of driving them and when you're in a car that nice you almost forget about how it looks, But im OCD about cars too so ill keep it clean every week like a finatic

I really like the new lexus designs, they're just a totally different design concept than the old school conservative understated lexus luxury and def cater to a different crowd

Have to agree! Toyota did the same thing with the Camry. Our 2nd car 2011 Camry may look boring, but at least it's not ugly like the newest ones.

Best looking gen of the LS IMHO.

No space monster grill here.

Yes. It would be nice to have a lift at home. Getting up and down and then crawling under a car becomes a chore when one is older. I guess it would be easier if one is smaller than average. I'm 6' @ 190lbs and 66 years old. I do remember it being easier to get under a car a few decades ago.

What's the scotty?

@@beezertwelvewashingbeard8703 OHHH!! PUL...LEES

@@coaltarp IKR!? I looked him up he's some KZfaq car expert guy.

@@beezertwelvewashingbeard8703 He's been a mechanic now for 52 years. He's more than a youtube car expert guy.

Rev Up Your Lexuseseseses!!

Was thinking this was quite odd as well. Never have heard anything of the sort on another lexus. Glad someone said something hopefully wizard will see

This. Never heard of this and seen lots of people swap them on the GS460.

upvote so wizard sees for the future

yeah. the pump section and electronic section should be separated. been wondering why not just buy the new actuator assembly, swap the module, and do calibration?

@@motivvt k

Obdline

It should work everywhere aroung the world if its online🤔

@fingerz024 you mean like toyota does?

But why would car companies here want to save us money? They overcharge for everything else.

This does exist but isn't very common in America. Shops have it. Also there are mobile mechanics that travel just doing module programming, code reading, writing, etc. They are popular with body shops after the shop replaces crash sensors, radar, airbag modules etc.

He has got the right to repair it...if hes prepared to pay the right amount of money !

If you followed the 'right to repair' submissions last year, the companies like Apple were lying like crazy to try and stop the bill from proceeding. Fortunately we have the powerful Farm lobby on our side.

@@kruleworld Yeah, and they're so pissed off with John Deere right now. I'm not even a farmer and I know about it.

My thoughts exactly. Since cars are now run by computers, manufacturers can copyright the software used to program the ECM and other computers. They can then refuse to sell that software to anyone but a dealer, making it impossible for an independent garage to service the vehicle. The market solution is to refuse to buy from that manufacturer, no matter how good their cars are. If new car buyers don't care because they have service plans, they will care about the zero resale value when it comes to trading in. That said, I agree with the Wizard that Toyotas are excellent cars, so owning one probably won't mean a lot of trips to any service center, dealer or otherwise. But Apple used to make great products, then started making a lot of money on their Genius Bar system and the quality of their gear went down. The Genius Bar is plenty busy telling loyal Mac owners to throw away their 3 or 4-year-old Macbook because it's cheaper to buy a new one, while Apple sues any shop that fixes it by replacing a cheap component on the mother board. Now that Toyota is trying to make their own Genius Bar system, will the quality of future Toyotas suffer?

Yes, right to repair includes having a “reasonable” fee. Several thousand dollars isn't reasonable.

Thank u

Yep I just bought a 08 gs 350 awd for a 6k 1 owner this thing drives like a new car and still looks like it inside crazy!!

I did dump a GS300 when it failed to stop in the freeway and involved in a massive accident! Toyota/Lexus ABS system is a joke!

@@derekquinones8614 I just bought an 08 GS350 awd too! 1 owner, extensive dealerships maintenance. I had to get it shipped to me and it arrives tomorrow. I feel like a kid on Christmas

I had to dump my ls460 cuz it got a transmission solenoid code and a trans rebuild was like 12k and the car had 185k miles on it. Wish I didn’t have to but it wasn’t worth putting that money into. Also had stuff like worn air suspension all the way around, trunk didn’t work etc. shame but great car while I had it

Exporado M it’s a flagship car you want to cheap out get a corolla not a lexus

Maybe. Maybe Not. Who doesn't see a little Freddy Krueger in them?

What was the system saying?

Yeah. She really did seem to want him on the record saying he'd get rid of it :D

When she called it "creepy", yep something going on there!

@@johnoberst1045 it was almost offensive the way she said it. I was thinking of all the "van life" videos I've seen on KZfaq, how many of these must be keeping people from being fully homeless and out of the cold right this moment, and then she called it "creepy". Then I got to thinking, there's an issue there.

@@HAL-dm1eh as someone who has owned custom vans since the 70's, I'm offended by this stereotype. It's a vehicle that comes as close to universal as possible. You can haul stuff, haul your family, camp in it and as Hoovie says, you get a level of luxury you cannot find anywhere else.

Most reliable car.i ever owned? Currently it's a 06 Pontiac vibe (Toyota, I know) before that I had a 94 Camaro for 13 years and it went to the grave with 239k.

it makes a lot of environmental waste too. who's going to take a 10 year old car to the stealership to get it fixed? they wont', they'll just throw it out. This already happens with Apple phones (apple no longer repairs their phones, they replace them with a complete new unit)

@@kruleworld yup. It's not an effient means to material use. Alot of people buy used cars because they need work. Like me... I'm good at fixing things myself and now alot of these cars will be junked.

Not just that, but it has slowly crept up to be over almost every function of a car to the point a computer is going to be deciding whether you get to drive or not, from one moment to the next. I see Technocracy coming from a mile away, and it ain't pretty.

I’d just drive it as is. As long as the master cylinder is working the manual brakes will work perfectly fine. You don’t need ABS, VSC, TC, proportioning, or vacuum assist to stop safety if your legs are strong.

@@user-tb7rn1il3q You can always drag your foot! LOL

Timeless design! I got my 05 almost 2 years ago and it still feels like a brand new car to me. One of the most well built cars ever!

Agree esp 04-06

I've always wanted one. I found a 80yr old lady that had one with 50k miles on it but she wanted 12k for it.

You're totally right. The LS460 isn't even close to what the best Lexus has put out. Lots of issues and I still can't believe they let it come off the factory assembly line like that for sale. My dad had one lemon lawed back in the day for brake actuator issues, horrendous wind noise, and also the control arm rubber ate themselves after 13k miles off the dealership lot. His LS430 was far better made.

I have an 05! Black on black. Got it in October. I'm gonna keep this thing forever. So comfortable. Just did the timing belt and other maintenance. Getting the adaptive headlights working again this week. Gonna be sick.

Nice bro I own a 2006 Lexus LS430 and never getting rid of mines she is a keeper 😎

I have a 2008 LS600HL with the executive seating package plus massage. The amount of tech in this car for 2008 still amazes me every time I drive it.

Avalandiel 😎

Yes I own the LS 600hl .. the best car I ever had !!!!

@@avalandiel yes I own the same one ... I love it

My current car, 2011 Honda Accord, just rolled over 122,000 miles

@@Mavis308 Mine is my 1992 740 Volvo with 497K miles. I drive it daily.

@@Mavis308 My 08 accord is at 188k miles

I literally believe everyone here has been whooshed

@@-ac-8296 Nahh, we know, we just wanna say our most reliable car

Right, feels like a porn.

@Stereo Typist a huge recall on a few hundred thousand lexus and toyota models over like a 6 year period. You can Google it, but all i remember is they can fail prematurely and cause a stall while driving. I never personally had an issue though.

The S class is MUCH nicer than The LS460. Tho I love them both

These cars are amazing. I owned one until recently and wow; amazing!

If you live near an MB dealer an S is good, but if you live more than 1hr from a dealership Toyota gets the nod. Both are good at accomplishing their mission. Mercedes provides outstanding warranty and service experience.

@@bigslick8224 new Ls500 is meh imho. Lexus went the wrong way getting rid of the v8 and making it overly sporty.

@@AnnaKuznetzova88 it is better but not THAT much better. Also, its luxurious enough. The ease of mind you have with these is worth the fact that its not as luxurious as an S class

Scotty Kilmer is a nut job

@The Forsaken One You have to use the luxurious Lexus “tool”(software) which you can only rent for an extreme price. Otherwise you don’t have the right to fix certain things in their eyes. Basically extortion.

Well the Lexus software is just Techstream, which can be had very easily online nowadays, and that Autel has the capabilities to do the bleeding and calibration. What it and the non legit versions of techsteam can't do do is actual module programming or software loading you could say. They have to actually connect to Toyota servers and download the programming from there. Which only dealers or paying shops have the ability to do.

This is the first Lexus in wizards 🧙 shop. In his area there can’t be that manny the Ls has a very comfortable luxurious ride

You can get a bootleg module and software for $39.99 if you know where to look on the internet...

Not in the country where I live. I had to sell mine as all bushes wore out very quickly. Also needed new shocks. I cried the day I sold mine