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why nobody talk about Jon steroids ?! in other sports you will be striped of all your titles and banned for life

Does jones not realize beating Stipe at this point is going to have the same impact as when Yair beat bj penn or Connor and cowboy. This clown needs to stop ducking Tom.

4:56 techinically hes never lost. But everyone knows Reyes won rd 1,2,3 and theres no rule written anywhere that says the "championship rounds" are valued higher. So due to incompetent, corrupt judges, yes technically hes never lost.

P4P is based on current activity and current wins, more than the half the people that Jones beat are either retired or went to lower level competition outside of UFC. DC is retired, Rampage is retired, Lyoto is retired, Glover is retired, Gustafson is retired, Sonnen is retired, Belfort is retired. As for the ones who are not retired; OSP and Santos are not even ranked in top 15, Jones arguably lose to Reyes and Reyes is not even ranked in top 10 and was on a long losing streak, Anthony Smith lose to lower level fighters as well, and is not in top 10. Cirly Gane was not even the champion when he fought Jones, Jones won the vacant Heavyweight belt after Ngannou the lineal champ left, and Gane is arguably not even top 3 heavyweight considering Gane never fought Aspinall, Pavlovich, Blaydes or Stipe. Jones's best p4p win is years before vs DC (DC has 72' reach, Makhachev has 70', Volk has 71', Jones with 84' reach has bigger size advantage vs DC) when DC was no.14 ranked in p4p list. Second DC fight is No Contest since Jones cheated by using steroids. Makhachev competes in most stacked division, and beat the p4p greats such as Oliveira, Volk, Poirier, and also beat Arman before and will have to rematch him. Even someone like Bobby Green or Drew Dober is arguably a better win than Cirly Gane in terms of p4p. Another thing is other than Jones is proven to be a steroid cheater and he never got that 50 ufc clean tests jacket (Makhachev got that 50 clean ufc tests jacket), Jones never fought with home field disadvantage, Jones always fought in USA with home field advantage while people complain when Russian Makhachev fight in Abu Dhabi, Makhachev goes to fight on Australia or USA and fight with home field disadvantages.

Understanding p4p is simple.. I don’t understand why everyone’s soo dumb.. p4p number 1 means.. you take every single fighter.. hypothetically give them all the exact same body.. same height same reach same everything and made it all about skill.. put all the ((current)) fighters against each other.. who wins.. that’s without a doubt Islam… you shrink Jon jones down to 155.. Islam would obliterate him

Dana attempted to do damage control. Jon is stalling a division (again), wants to continue fighting older, out of prime fighters and those homosexual allegations certainly don't help in a community as conservative and hyper masculine like the casual MMA one. Dana is talking out of his ass and Islam is absolutely P4P #1 right now.

Whats with the Jon Jones casuals here, they dont even know what P4P means😂

Not better help 😭 solid video tho

Why do people think champions that defend their title 3-4 times are somehow the GOAT or P4P? Champions out there with 10+ defenses over a 5-6+ year time. Its embarrassing to entertain some of this nonsense.

Dana has to say Jones is the best, since Francis left he’s been trying to convince everyone that he never existed.

The mma community cant make Its mind up? What are you talking about? Its Dana and Bisping vs the rest of the internet.

Is because what Dana means is when you put Islam and Jon Jones in the same room Jon Jones is still going to win. So basically for Dana size matters 😂

Dana is a business man. Every word that comes out of his mouth is to advance the interests of the UFC. Why should we expect anything else?

Jon Jones doesn't even deserve to be in any sports

All these Talks would be irrelavant after Stipe knocks Jones out.

CM Punk is clearly to P4P Goat, put respect on his name

Jones is more mainstream that's why, even boxing fans who don't watch mma know him ... UFC wants to branch out and get tank davis ppv numbers

He's only saying its Jones because of Francis. Frankly, Jones is disqualified from P4P rankings for being a steroid cheat, in my opinion.

Wait... Jones used steroids and refuses to fight Aspinall.

Jon Jones is the #1, Ariel Halwani is a sausoge.

I believe that it is the style and violence factor of Jon Jones wins that make him the pound-for-pound best in the minds of most. The dismantling of Shogun. The murder of Machida. And the resumé. He destroyed all of the world champions. I love Islam, but he is not there yet. He hasn't done enough yet to take the title from Jon Bones Jones.

If your going off who is more active its Islam no doubt , but p4p means who is the best non retired fighter on the planet , thats Jon Jones

I think Jones's career is so hard to judge objectively because it took place over a transitional period in the sport. He did beat legends as a young champion but did so while having physical advantages over the competition changing the landscape of the division from there on

Dana White is a casual lmao

they should fill the jon jones vs stipe miocic card with other +36 year old geriatric fighters

ChatGPT Answer : Based on recent performances and current rankings, both fighters have strong cases for being the P4P number one. However, given the latest updates and active competition, Islam Makhachev might have a slight edge due to his recent high-profile victories and consistent activity compared to Jon Jones, who, despite his recent success, has had periods of inactivity

P4P is who's currently the best so idk how anyone can say jones is over islam when islam is in his prime and jones is on his way out

If you could shrink Jon Jones down to the lower weight classes, his heights would be the following. middleweight 6' 1.3" welterweight 5' 11.3" lightweight 5' 9.1" featherweight 5' 7.6" bantamweight 5' 6.0" flyweight 5' 4.3"

Dana just want to promote Jon jones next fight grandpa Stipe the fight that no body asked for... he himself doesn't believe what he said.. but his job is promoting UFC fights.. and Jon Jones need that P4P king title now than anytime to make it up since people are mad at him avoiding real contenders and trying to get easy fights

Dana white should be Delusional. But why nobody is talking about Jon Steriods

Dana is right, it is Jon Jones.. I hate this #1 P4P stuff that keeps changing multiple times a year after every fight with a big name fighter. It's like flavor of the month type shit.

so why is not fighting the interim champ and fighting a fighter whose age is 42 year and who last fought 4yr ago and knocked out in that fight why if he is the best he is not the best ever he has done evrything which is bad for a fighter legacy he used steroid not one time several time and he fought middleweights his whole life but when he got to fight guys of his same reach and length he struggles every single time.with gus 1st fight he almost lost and many prople still think he lost .In 2nd fight he was on roid ufc changed the whole venue for him so that another comission allow him fight on being roid ,reyes beats him ,he got to split with santos ,he goes to the decision with anthony smith 😂really ?he is not the goat and he knows that aspinall will smokes him 10 out of 10 times

Don't hate just because you're number one man is not number one pound for pound

He’s not delusional… he’s a businessman. We all know this. Dana has spun his own narratives for years, he knows we don’t care about jones vs stipe but he wants us to feel lucky to watch the ‘P4P greatest’ regardless of the opponent. With that being said it’s very close between Islam and jones, let’s not forget how volk basically won their first fight

Why are you spending 16 minutes explaining something 30 seconds would suffice

Well first of all Dana just always does the same shit he only cares about money that's it. For him the fighter that is going to fight soon on a card he wants you to buy is the best. If you asked him before Islam's fight he would tell you this is the best guy against the number 2 guy. If you ask him after, he will tell you someone else because Islam will be out for the next 3 months and by that time people will have forgotten what he said. After getting all that out of the way. He really fucked up saying that shit with 3 years layoff and not even Ali did that. Ali literally was denied 3 years in the prime of his carrier. You could say Ali was still young so it doesn't count. Sure. What about fucking George Foreman then? He literally retired at 28, then came back 10 years later. LITERALLY 10 YEARS LATER! And went on to fight and beat some of the best boxers in the world only losing to 3 hall of famers, before finally retiring at the ripe old age of 48. Those are just the examples I could think of the top of my head.

Bisping be like "jones is still active, he's fought once in 4 years"

15:28 LOL that picture is ridiculous

Pfft. I’m not even going to watch this for such a stupid click-bate title. You should have put: “why my opinion doesn’t matter because I’m nobody”, and I’d probably have actually watched.

Y’all forget he’s a fight PROMOTER lmao

15:30 Dana comparing Ali to Jones doesn't make any sense as well, Ali fought one of the greatest of all time Joe Frazier when he returned from 3 years inactivity, and before that Ali fought Bonavena and Quarry, and won those 2 fight before losing a decision vs the great Joe Frazier, while Jones did not fight one of the greats, Jones didn't even fight a champion, just fought a contender Cirly Gane and everyone knew Gane had problems on the grounds and Jones took Gane down and submitted him on the ground, we really didn't see Jones vs a great Heavyweight champion who is good everywhere, even Tom Aspinall fight is interesting for that, Aspinall is good on ground and also a good striker.

Damn dude, great video. I almost subscribed but ads every 2 minutes plus ads imbedded in the video? I think the channel will grow much faster with less ads. I get we’re all trying to make it but more subscribers equals more views which equals more money. Just my two cents.

Stop pronouncing the K in Makhachev smh

Islam was clearly #1 P4P after quite LITERALLY beating Volk FOR the p4p spot they marketed it as the p4p #1 spot battle

Maybe... but prime Jones smokes prime Islam. 🐐

Get John those IV stem cells Mel Gibson got his dad. Get it for him weekly. Dude will be able to take on aspinal

Dana is right

Another great video

Eh, you bunch of flavor of the month fans. I'm not even a Jones fan, but of course he's the P2P best. He's still the most complete package out there. High level striking, elite wrestling, extremely versatile and adaptable, doesn't get tired, unique and at times unpredictable style. Islam doesn't come close. He's a very predictable fighter, his striking sucks, has one clear route to victory. He also still doesn't come close to GSP and Demetrious Johnson in terms of maturity. Win streaks don't play into the debate, otherwise you would have had to put Tony Ferguson into the P2P contention at one point and he clearly doesn't belong there.

Islam definitely p4p without a doubt. Jones fights once every 5 years doesn’t make him an active fighter. Then they must look at ppl like Mohammad Ali and ppl like that bc at that time MMA didn’t exist but boxing did.🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

Hua

I'll agree Jon Jones is the best pound for pound if he fights Tom Aspinal

His not delusional, there's two sides you clearly picked yours and he picked his. Dana is basing it over entire career and in that category Jon Jones is easily number 1 pound for pound. And is active

Jon Jones only has one win in like five years. He’s practically irrelevant.

volk is still the goat

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