Why didn't King Viserys & Princess Rhaenys just marry to prevent The Dance Of The Dragons?

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There are a lot of reasons as to why the dance of the dragons happened. A question i have seen both show viewers and book readers ask is if Rhaenys getting passed over for Viserys such a controversial moment why did they not just marry and join there claims, then the Dance Of The Dragons never happens. Now there is a really simple in world answer to it, but even so it is not the perfect solution that it seems at first even if it were possible. House Of The Dragon did a really poor job a explaining the backstory prior to the start of the show thus why there is a lot of people asking this question. But there is also a real world reason why they didn't marry that can be tracked back to how George R. R. Martin builds his world and writes his books. In this video we will be looking at these issues and more.
Why didn't King Viserys & Princess Rhaenys just marry to trevent The Dance Of The Dragons?
00:00:00 Could The Match Avoided The Dance?
00:01:24 The Marriage Of Rhaenys and Corlys
00:01:42 The Marriage Of Viserys and Aemma
00:02:02 The Death Of Aemon Targaryen
00:02:40 Rhaenys and Coryls was a good match
00:03:00 The Power Of Hindsight
00:03:49 Prince Baelon name heir
00:04:04 Why marrying Viserys and Rheanys was a good idea
00:04:58 The Issue with House Of The Dragon
00:05:38 Rhaenyra and Laenor the next best thing
00:06:16 The Consort Issue
00:07:36 GRRM and Real World Issues
00:08:31 Conciliation
The Dance Of The Dragons will be the focus of the plot of the new HBO spin-off House Of The Dragon coming in 2022. So if you want to learn the story before we see HBO's take on it then this will be a very long-running series. Game Of Thrones / House of the dragon are HBO shows based on George R R Martin's A Song Of Ice And Fire series. The information in this video comes from the books a world of ice and fire as well as fire and blood.
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@WorldOfWesteros Ай бұрын

Just for the record, i know they were already married and i do talk about that in the start of the video. The idea for this video came from taking with some fans who had not read the book, and were asking this question given the show does not do a great job with the time line. The point i wanted to made with this video is even if they did somehow marry it came with its own set of problems that could still turn into a dance of the dragons like situation sooner or later.

@christoperwallace6197 Ай бұрын

I thought the timeline was fine in the show. Pretty clear to me. It always moved forward, and there was always a line about how much time has passed

@lasloapollo4312 Ай бұрын

We all know who the true king would be in that relationship😂😂😂

@WorldOfWesteros Ай бұрын

100% for sure without a doubt

@aegorbittersteel2154 Ай бұрын

And the other person would probably be completely OK with it😄

@lasloapollo4312 Ай бұрын

@@aegorbittersteel2154 Just let him play with his Lego's.

@smittypwnz Ай бұрын

Viserys the kind open handed King, Rhaenys the strong and shrewd Queen perfect combo. Rhaenys rules, Viserys entertains. Also as the other comment says he gets to enjoy playing with his legos more 😂

@jessjess23brooks89 Ай бұрын

@@smittypwnz Honestly, perfectly balanced power couple.

@nikkie1843 Ай бұрын

Rhaenys was already married and pregnant when the Council was called making Viserys heir to the throne and Viserys was already married Aemma. When both where old enough to be married no one expected for it to be necessary. The old king had 2 sons in line for the throne and both of those sons were well loved and had heirs of their own. His first born only had Rhaenys but he was expected to have more children. Sadly he was killed before he could have anymore children. Viserys' father had 2 boys and was expected to rules after the Old King. But fate stepped in and both were killed before that could happen. Rhaenys was also still married when Aemma died. Honestly all Viserys had to do, to avoid war was not marry Alicent....

@ediearcher7224 25 күн бұрын

Viserys married Alicent firstly to get the Faith on his side (Targaryens and the Faith had a difficult relationship) and secondly to create a spare in case Rhaenyra died. His mistake was not declaring to the Council that Rhaenyra was still his heir after Aegon was born.

@teitoklein8207 18 күн бұрын

@@ediearcher7224 nah, alicent wud still hv claimed the same thing she did.

@FerretJohn Ай бұрын

Aside from the fact that Rhaenys was already married to Corlys Velaryon, Viserys didn't see the Civil War coming. Viserys was a good man but blind to just how deep the animosity between Rheanyra and Alicent had grown or how great Alicent and her sons ambitions were.

@gerardjagroo 21 күн бұрын

I wouldn't call it ambition to want what is rightfully yours. The Iron Throne is Aegon's (miserable little blighter that he is) both by the Laws and Traditions of Westeros and by the Precedent set by the Great Council of 101AC King Jaehaerys 'the Conciliator' was wise enough to affirm this precedent but apparently Viserys thought he knew more than the man who ruled the Seven Kingdoms for over 5 decades No wonder the Iron Throne rejected him (by cutting him)

@thebl3mish 5 күн бұрын

@@gerardjagroo Aegon wouldn't have been born if it weren't for Otto's ambition on power. He carefully calculated that Alicent produce legitimate heir so that his decendants rule it all. And if being King doesn't grant you the power to name your heir then what does? - And it is mentioned in Old Valerya it was VERY common for women to rule it was not until some Westerosi traditions that merged into Targaryen dynasty but that is of course the duality of the dance of the dragons - you have a very Westorosi greens and a very Valereyan blacks each fighting over their traditions and ideals. In the show Viserys thought naively that his heirs would protect Rhaneara along with Alicent - and it would have worked if Otto weren't so ambitious and paranoid telling her Rhaneara would murder her half brothers to make her throne more legitimate.

@3esln 4 күн бұрын

@@thebl3mish were Was it ever stated that Valyria had gender equality. The andal parts of westeros ar probably the second 'best' (it still sucks) place in westeros for woman. Also Allicant and house Hightower is a variables. You can easily change them with Lannisters or Velaryons and still have the same end result.

@thebl3mish 4 күн бұрын

@@3esln I never mentioned gender equality per se I mentioned ruling class were both female and male; there are several mentions for instance there is a mention of many women dragonlords such as Jaenara and the fact that the Valyrian word for prince is mentioned to be genderless (could also mean a woman princess). You can see however that on Westerosi tradition first of all legitimacy is more important than blood (many examples of bastards being shunned from power) and far from that gender played a role in it as well prefering male heirs to woman heirs as shown in Game of Thrones - it is not to say woman were never queens of course but for example Tommen - a boy was crowned instead of giving power to the mother queen (she took it once all her male heirs were dead). Hightower is more than just any house really it is one of the oldest of them all and have a lot of traditions and lineage from the First Men - Lannisters on the other hand are quite a "new" house.

@TheSconas Ай бұрын

Viserys and Rhaenys, Rhaenyra and Daemon, Viserys and Laena .... Rhae's kid and Alicent's kids ... I feel like we drove through so many safe stops and went full derp right into the dance of dragons for fun

@michaprzybysz1877 Ай бұрын

No self respecting noble will marry his daughters to bastards. That’s just fact of life. If meagor with teats used her brain and either made sure leanor was the father anyone with a bit of imagination can make it happen or at the very least find a dragonseed as an donor it could have been made. Not possible with the trio looking like regular folk.

@TheSconas 25 күн бұрын

@@michaprzybysz1877 Which is why I mentioned the first three pairings.

@pastelpurpledeathbed 18 күн бұрын

havent seen someone mention derp in...ages.

@mateussalema9330 22 күн бұрын

By the time Rhaenys married Corlys no one was seriously expecting her parents to have more children, she had been an only child for over sixteen years. The most logical step would have been to marry her to Viserys to avoid disputes over the sucession. The fact that this didn’t happen can only really be explained by “the plot demanded it”.

@AntoineVello 18 күн бұрын

This is 500% the truth. Especially since Aemon died at 37 ... In medieval times ... with only one daughter. This is so odd that you almost have to ask if they were doing it wrong.

@WorldOfWesteros 17 күн бұрын

For me a lot of those details steam from the fact that GRRM created the world history working backward from what he had already established and published. It is very clear to the reader that Aemon and Jocelyn were likely not going to have any more children and it does stick out as odd. Then again GRRM does have a few of these large age gaps between siblings, there is a 19 year age gap between Daeron ii and his sister Daenerys, but then again we have record of lots of still births and of course Aegon iv's countless bastards.

@bakoyma 18 күн бұрын

Imagine if Viserys had just never remarried after Emma died... We'd lose out on a cool series, but my stress levels would be lower.

@glenesis 12 күн бұрын

Rhaenys was too kind when she chose not to cook the Greens in the Sept.

@jopepe2867 Ай бұрын

I gotta look at timelines but Id imagine that they still had family members alive that made it a moot point by the time they were married off for other connections.

@TrueYellowDart Ай бұрын

I haven’t heard many folks talk about important “dragon regulation” really should have been re: the Targaryens. With Targaryens needing to marry other houses from time to time, without dragon regulation, eventually a true challenge would arise. Imagine if the timeline had progressed to the point where dragons were still around for the Blackfyre Rebellions - the carnage would have been insane.

@jonathanutsuundelikwo3669 Ай бұрын

How feasible would the "dragon regulation" be, only way that can reasonable work is to not allow dragon rider marry out of the family, i.e whoever marries a dragon rider(male or female it doesn't matter) the spouse(male or female) marries into house Targaryen. The alternative of actually trying to prevent dragon riders from giving their children dragon eggs or letting them claim unbonded dragon can't and won't work. You will just be asking for multiple dance of the dragons. What will you do if someone forbidden from riding a dragon bonds with a dragon, do you send them to the wall, take their head or send them to exile? The family members of the new dragon rider would just let you do this? You can't enforce a meaningful "dragon regulation". They only people that the King can successfully stop from riding dragons to some degree are his immediate family; you know the people you actually want to be able to ride dragon. Like imagine Viserys told Rhaenys or Daemon that their children won't be allowed to ride dragons, they would just tell Viserys to eat grass. The whole dragon egg incident between Viserys and Daemon could only be resolved because Daemon allowed it to be resolved. Imagine if Daemon refused, there's nothing Viserys could have done

@TrueYellowDart Ай бұрын

@@jonathanutsuundelikwo3669 We don’t know what (if any) customs Valyria itself had around this. Maybe since they had so many nukes around they all knew not to nuke each other. But dragons are a finite and radically game-changing resource once it was time to conquer Westeros. Regulation probably would have had to have started with Aegon I or not at all. The egg custom hadn’t started yet. You’re right that Vizzy I couldn’t have just up and tried to start regulation - too late by then and would have caused huge family issues. Aegon and his sisters would have all needed to agree on said rules and put them into law right away so that every child knew the expectations and penalties. And smarter people than I would have to figure out what those rules would be. But something along the lines of only mainline family members having dragons - so maybe no bonding until after marriage (for girls) and some kind of age limit for boys. But if ya don’t regulate those nukes and all it takes is a marriage for nuke proliferation to occur, then you’re eventually going to have nuke civil war - it’s basically unavoidable given Westerosi politics.

@jonathanutsuundelikwo3669 Ай бұрын

@@TrueYellowDart I would say the wasn't really a time, anyone could have started regulating dragons. It didn't make political & logical sense to do. I think post dance & pre Aegon, the number one determinant was the available dragon, with a handful of dragons, regulating dragons was a moot point, all the available dragons were already bonded or had made it known they did not want to be disturb. Aegon & his sisters couldn't really do it either. They had more pressing matters. Dorne had killed a dragon leaving them with just two, they was a tenous peace with the faith, their hold over Westeros was still on fundamentally shaky grounds, preventing their children from riding dragons would cause more harm than good, at this point having more dragons was better than having fewer especially since most dragons would have been small (when compared to Balerion & Vhagar). At they end Aegon & his sisters only had two children with one of them Maegor showing no apparent interest with wanting to bond with a dragon. They really needed as many of Aenys children to try to bond with dragons. Jaehaerys was the closet person who could have regulated dragons. In canon, he restricted his later children access to dragons, only 3 out of 13 children (I know some of them died young) became dragon riders and for the most part just 3 grandchildren became dragon riders (Viserys barely even counts as a rider for a very brief moment). They were barely any dragonrider to make trying to regulate dragons a meaningful endevour Concerning the initial point of dragons existing up to the Blackfyre rebellion. Regardless of if there were laws to regulate dragons, I highly doubt Aegon IV would have actually prevented his bastards especially Daemon from trying to bond with a dragon, he would actually encourage it. If he was going to prevent anyone it would be Daeron and his children

@madambutterfly1997 23 күн бұрын

The dance was preventable from multiple angles. Had certain marriages happened and certain marriages not happened if a certain individual had just did his duty in spite of his sexuality. If another individual didn’t resort to obvious paternity fraud, even though she had better options.

@Kadasberry11 5 күн бұрын

Doing the duty legit goes hand in hand with sexuality lol grow up

@sankarkrishnan407 Ай бұрын

When the old king agrees to the marriage of Rhaenys and Viserys the access of dragons go to another family. After 115 A C House Velarayon had 3 dragons including Vhagar. Politically also Princess Rhaenys must marry someone in the family. Corlys only want a Princess. Princess Viserra was an ideal choice.

@jordanthompson1418 Ай бұрын

Finally, someone said it. If they were really considering Rhenys as Queen, then Viserra should have been offered to the Sea Snake like Daella was, and Rhenys betrothed to Viserys by age 10 (when it was obvious the heir wasn't producing anymore kids). Viserra is the only daughter who did nothing wrong and was offered 0 choice (because politics all of the sudden). She died because of that. I think the Sea Snake would have taken the offer. Rhenys had other Velarayon candidates too (some not 21 years older than her...) but chose Coryls for his money, power, and prestige. Had her father not died she would have been well suited to become Queen with a powerful consort to back her up. I think that's why she chose that moment (when the famous matchmaker Queen was upset with the King) to ask King J to marry Coryls. He wouldn't think much about it and wasn't going to consult Queen A either. At the time it was well played. But as is Game of Thrones, someone dies and mucks everything up.

@umitencho Ай бұрын

Because no one likes stories with no conflicts. He just married the wrong cousin. Plus he wasn't the default heir when he was born, there were others, but they kept dieing. His claim was being a male & the heir to the previously chosen heir: his father; so I can see the argument being that he would have become king anyway under the previous arrangement. What his grandfather should have done was set out clear rules when gender is the issue or Viserys should have called a new council after his son by Allicent was born. Or maybe never remarry after Aemma died, and taught Rhaenarya how to rule and focus on getting her married.

@neyragrat Ай бұрын

To add to that, he could have Rhaenys claim Dreamfyre, Viserys claim Meleys after his mom dies, Daemon claim Sheepstealer (if Aemon dies Gael claims Caraxes). All dragons are occupied by Targaryens, all claims settled and life going on smooth as butter. Then Viserra can marry either Baelon or Corlys. Although i think Corlys is a better option. She is vain and spoilt, and Corlys is rich and could use a trophy wife Plus Daemon marries Gael Maybe Baelon marries Aemma in like 100AC

@oppionatedindividual8256 Ай бұрын

The real reason? George worked back from only two targs alive, so all the rest had to die, the dance was great for that

@jessjess23brooks89 Ай бұрын

She should have just taken both for husband. The perfect triachy power couple. I kid, I kid... Sorta.

@JoseGonzalez-pn5zl Ай бұрын

The dance was bound to happen sooner or later it was inevitable. What’s to stop another Targaryen from pulling a Maegor and jumping the line because he feels like he would be a better fit??

@Maegorthecrueltargaryen Ай бұрын

Then how come no one did and besides i doubt anyone would give a targaryen bastard a dragon and even then there wouldn't be enough support for him to start a full on dance so it would be one dragon against twentie

@nantuckettorrance1664 Ай бұрын

Ok, it is better to look at it this way: 1. Viserys and Aemma was a fine match. 2. Rhaenys and Corlys…also fine. Now… 3. Daemon should have been betrothed to and married Rhaenyra from the jump. Nothing with the Vale gal. 4. After Aemma’s death, Viserys should have married Laena. Remember, Laena is five years older than Rhaenyra-and only fifteen years younger than Viserys. 5. Moreover, Jaehaerys and Alysanne should have been better with the matchmaking of their daughters and spearheaded more dragonriders: a. Maegelle should have married, not been made a Septa; b. Saera should have been married off to someone from House Velaryon, Baratheon, Stark, Blackwood, Martell, Dayne, or Arryn; c. Viserra should have been married off to someone younger and hotter-and from House Velaryon, Baratheon, Stark, Blackwood, Martell, Dayne, or Arryn; d. Gael should have been married off by age fifteen/sixteen (to one of the aforementioned Houses) to prevent her from dallying with (and getting taken advantage of by) that musician at age nineteen/twenty. 6. Baelon should have remarried after the death of Alyssa. One of his sisters, or someone from House Velaryon, Baratheon, Stark, Blackwood, Martell, Dayne, or Arryn. 7. Laenor and Alicent are cast-offs…married to others. Or even to each other (8. Jaehaerys could have also considered legitimizing Saera’s three sons-and giving them the last name Targaryen.)

@WorldOfWesteros Ай бұрын

I'm gonna save this comment and come back to it because you've brought up a lot of very good points i hadn't thought about before

@nantuckettorrance1664 Ай бұрын

@@WorldOfWesteros Awesome! 👍🏾👍🏿

@user-pc9px8nu1o Ай бұрын

I don’t understand how if King J’s second son was made heir after his first son, wasn’t Viserys 2nd in line at that point? Why did the great council happen? The way I see it, male only succession was set as precedent twice, once with King J making his second son heir over Rhaenys/Laenor, and another time with the great council. But King V threw that all out the window to make Rhaenyra heir. It’s all his fault. King V was just one guy who wanted equal succession, but the whole of Westeros decided on male only. This is what Otto realized. The lords wanted male only. Sure he had ambition, but he realized male only would lead to peace. No King V making Rhaenyra heir, no dance.

@lasloapollo4312 Ай бұрын

He didnt care about equality. King V only cared about Rhaenyra. Otherwise he would put Helaena third in line instead of Aemond.

@davidlewis5312 Ай бұрын

but they don't want male only. Every single Andal house follows Linear male succession. I am Lord, my first heirs are my sons, then my daughters, then my eldest brother, then his sons, then his daughters, etc. I have no idea why they elected for the more confusing Absolute version.

@davidlewis5312 Ай бұрын

also Otto just realized he could put his grandson on the throne otherwise he would have supported Daemon over Rhae because under the blessed council of 101's bespoke decree Daemon was the rightful heir until Aegon was born but NOPE, Otto didn't like Daemon (and vice versa) so did everything he could to push him aside.

@nathanguava883 Ай бұрын

Jo had three sons Aemon and Baelon and Vaegon. Aemon was heir and had a daughter Rhaenys who was pregnant with Laena at the time of Aemons death at war. Jo named Baelon as heir skipping Rhaenys and her unborn child (who might have been a son). The reason for Jo’s decision was that Baelon had been trained to be Aemon’s hand and was the only adult male, with two sons Viserys and Daemon, which actual experience and patriarchy combined provided certainty and was a no brainer. But then he died suddenly. Corlys began raising his massive fleet and allies to support the claim, not really in support of Rhaenys like the show depicts; not for Laena either, but Laenor who had now been born was was the male of the eldest line (Aemons line), an obvious choice and would be heir with no question if born just a little earlier. Rhaenys was a Baratheon as well. Daemon begun raising sellswords to press Viserys claim as Baelon’s eldest son and thus what seemed like an obvious candidate too. Viserys wife Emma was an Arryn of the vale. So essentially the council was necessary to avoid an imminently pending civil war. It was probably suggested by Vaegon who Jo visited after Baelons death and had become an archmaester of the citadel; and thus refusing any claim to become heir himself and giving Jo an out.

@lasloapollo4312 Ай бұрын

@@nathanguava883 i also think that Saera kind of soured Jaehaerys opinion on women taking power.

@liamcollins9183 Ай бұрын

I think that by the time Rhaenys first met Corlys, the chances of Aemon and Jocelyn have more children were fairly low, so it's not like people couldn't see a high possibility of Rhaenys being in contention for the throne. Once that was clear Jaehaerys should have either publicly accepted Rhaenys being Aemon's heir, with Corlys as her consort, or betrothed her to Viserys to unite the two claims. If he went with the first option, he could have made a stipulation that Laenor would take the name Targaryen when he became King, similar to how Jacaerys would. Laenor may have married Laena in Targaryen fashion, or possibly still married Rhaenyra in this alternate timeline. He would probably have the same trouble having legitimate children of his own, which might be more problematic given the claim runs through his blood rather than Rhaenyra's. But if he married Laena this might not be such a problem as she's next in line anyway. Viserys probably wouldn't have been so hell bent on having a son, so maybe Aemma Arryn doesn't die, in which case he doesn't marry Alicent and have further children with her. Not sure how Daemon would fit into all this, probably just lurking in the background causing trouble 😅.

@bensonfang1868 Ай бұрын

This would have happened if Corlys didn’t pursue rhaenys or was already betrothed to one of Jaehaerys and alysanne’s daughters. Viserys and rhaenys are only 2 years apart anyways. Daemon and aemma can marry (they’re much closer in age so aemma won’t marry so young)

@kingk9407 Ай бұрын

The heir presumptive ( Rhaenys ) & the heir apparent wed would’ve united the realm . Both grandchildren to Jaehaerys & Alysanne , both nearly fully Valyrian ( Rhaenys’s mother was Baratheon & Velaryon ) , & both dragon riders .

@mrizwan7566 24 күн бұрын

I remember reading an interesting comment that dragons would still be dead even if the dance was avoided. The way house targaryen dynamics were some other civil war would have happened in house targaryen. Original commenter suggests that it would have been blackfyres who would been dragon riders and blackfyre rebellion would be faught with dragons. Although highly unlikely but it would be interesting to see bloodraven, bittersteel and daemon blackfyre as dragon riders.

@WorldOfWesteros 24 күн бұрын

I 100% agree that at some point a dance of the dragons like conflict was inevitable especially with how many different branches were created during Jaehaerys reign. I don't personally see it being the Blackfyre's who fight that war however. With no dance, basically everything that allows Aegon IV to even exist no longer happens, thus no House Blackfyre. But i could see a break away faction like them still being created at some point. I made a video a long time ago about how giving House Velaryion access to dragons was always a questionable idea, as soon as another faction has the power of dragons, it only takes something very minor to set of a chain reaction to creat a dance like event

@mrizwan7566 24 күн бұрын

@WorldOfWesteros agree on all your points.

@LusiaEyre Ай бұрын

I wonder if the issue would have been less of one of the sons - Aemon or Baelon - actually lived to take the throne. Once the choice was between grandchildren nd great grand children, the waters muddied further. Had Aemon been King, then the line of succession would put Rhaenys and her son firmly in the pole position. And had Baelon succeed Jaehaerys, that would establish his line as the new primary. I am sure there would be disgruntled voices, but that choice was the Old King's only, so maybe it would be seen differently? Also, the timeline explanation makes sense, even though it seems really short sighted of Jaehaerys to not consider Aemon not having other children for so long. Unless he thought Aemon's grandson could succeed him eventually? Even more short sighted was Viserys not noticing history repeating itself with him, Aemma and Rhaenyra and creating rival claimants.

@jeffcordova9633 Ай бұрын

For the brothers in black & the lord commander!! Brother Bittersteel 🗡️🗡️🗡️ I’ve wondered this for awhile & never understood why they didn’t marry Thank you for your service to the realm mi’lord

@aegorbittersteel2154 Ай бұрын

🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻 Hope you are well.

@alexturlais8558 21 күн бұрын

They could just be crowned equal monarchs. That happened with William and Mary in Britain.

@aprilmae274 Ай бұрын

Only one season in-there is like to still be more information/background story coming. It is interesting AF that there are SET patterns to these deaths. Aemon gets a shaft through his throat. So will Jace-both by water.

@javontaewhitemon6800 Ай бұрын

Do you think if the old king would have established a doctrine to prevent kin slaying would that had possibly prevented the dance ? Since he limited the dragon riders of his time he was aware of what could of came

@dannyn6036 4 күн бұрын

It was said in the book that Aemon, Rhaenys’ father was so taken with Corlys that he was determined to have him wed to his daughter to ensure her succession since Corlys is a powerful and rich lord. Tho ironically when Aemon died, the marriage only served to alienate Rhaenys.

@ChildOfTheFlower Ай бұрын

Here is the problem, Rhaenys as Queen was always going to rub people the wrong and it seemed Aemon never had other kids with Jocelyn which could have given people a sigh of relief should Aemon's only child be a woman.

@Mortablunt 19 күн бұрын

The real answer is Martin is convinced the default state of humanity is megalomaniacal psychopath.

@TaeSunWoo Ай бұрын

(Reads title) Me: they should’ve gotten together anyways?! 🗣️✨

@aegorbittersteel2154 Ай бұрын

1st to take the Black for House Blackfyre🗡 Honestly I find the idea of this couple hilarious.

@aprilmae274 Ай бұрын

agor hi! I have a question for you! Dany's lineage is Aegon the 1st, Jaehaerys and Daeron the Dragon...this is what Green Grace says. WHO did Daeron have a kid with? In text he dies at 18, no kids..but man the time he spends in Dorne. I am betting he is also a ref to 'Dornishman's Wife' song. He got a Dornish Princess pregnant. Dany HAS to be FROM Dorne, right? Does this mean SHE is THE Blackfyre and NOT Aegon-Griff? Or noble by Dornish standards..and Bastards Born by Westeros standards yet STILL an actual Queen/Princess? Is Dany a tricksie Blackfyre simply because she IS Bastard Born yet also legitimized? Or are they switching from GC TO Dornish-Targaryen? Holy shit I literally just figured out wtf ALL Doran has done and is going to do...o

@aegorbittersteel2154 Ай бұрын

@aprilmae274 Damn that's an amazing theory, although I hope not only because I need somebody to be related to King Daemon Blackfyre the 1st😄 I hope you are well.

@aprilmae274 Ай бұрын

@@aegorbittersteel2154 I hope you are well, too!

@ayiza8511 Ай бұрын

how would the dance have happened if Rheanys and Viserys married who would even oppose their son? the only targaryen left is Deamon and he is a younger son, he could have rebelled I suppose but he would not have a claim at all since Viserys and Rheanys as king and queen and their children are in from of him in the line of succession

@WorldOfWesteros Ай бұрын

I think it likely would have prevent an Dance Of The Dragon's like event from happening for a few more generation. House Targaryen even before the dance had a civil wars and succession disputes but they were quite small scale compared to the dance. I just think it's inevitable at some point something big like the dance of the dragons would have happened and done some real damage to House Targaryen.

@blumelodiez 29 күн бұрын

Viserys shouldve just let Daemon and Rhaenyra marry, or better, never had more children SONS no less with Alicent. Instead, he left Rhaenyra to the wolves and did fuck all. Rhaenyra's claim would've been stronger had she had "pure" Targaryen children (I love her Strong Sons bt we can't deny they complicated things). We can understand Viserys not trusting his favorite child with his rogue of a brother, but it was the best option than literally anything he had ever done as king.

@barbaralanders6049 Ай бұрын

Because he wasn't attracted to her. And neither was he to her daughter. He grew fond of Alicent, though. Well played, Otto!

@SilverDomainShrine7 6 күн бұрын

I could see where Rhaenys and Viserys could’ve been co rulers (like Mary II and William III of the UK) But then again there would be issues considering Westeros STRONGLY wants male rulers only. Even with queens regnant in history their rule was constantly undermined just because they were women. So there would be so much complications in Westeros even if Rhaenys and Viserys were to joint rule in this scenario. Literally no one wins 😭

@donna25871 13 күн бұрын

Viserys was a good but weak man - and that is disastrous for a king.

@matl.8197 Ай бұрын

Totally off topic and I don't know if you know the answer to this, but what are the rules for someone being called a prince/princess? Is it when you're the son/daughter of a monarch? For example, why are Rhaenys and Daemon referred to as prince(ss) if they fathers were not king? And since Rhaenys/Daemon are prince(ess), why are Leanor, Leana, Baela, and Rhaena referred to as just "lord/sir" and "lady"?

@iprobablywontseeyourreply.7193 Ай бұрын

The law of titles like prince and princess are determined by each monarchy and the reigining monarch. But my guess is that it’s bc they were not in the primary line of succession. If her father hadn’t become king, Rhaenyra wouldn’t be named Princess either. A monarch can change rules, label whomever they want and titles can be given and taken away as successions change. Now obviously Jahaerys’ kids and grandchildren would be styled Prince and Princess, but it muddies when we get to great grandchildren bc if it kept going like that half of the kingdom would eventually be called Prince or Princess lol. Once Jahaerys was gone, it became a title passed onto Viserys’ children and grandchildren. Had Aegon II been named heir, Rhaenyra’s line couldn’t keep using the title past her children. And Aegon could’ve stripped them all of the title anyway.

@neyragrat Ай бұрын

I think for Baela and Rhaena, Daemon had been expressely disinherited. Daemon himself still maintains his Prince title since he was brother to a king, but his children would never be princes/princess because of that. As for Laenor and Laena, Rhaenys married outside the house and her line was disinherited as well. Since Rhaenys did not become heir, she is Lady of Driftmark. Idk about the rest ofthe rules though.

@jisooschrist9717 27 күн бұрын

You get the prince/princess title when one of your parent is given the crown prince/princess title

@wilku1378 3 күн бұрын

Jaehaerys did the same to Rhaenys as he did to the daughters of his brother Ageon the Uncrowned, that is, he stole their crown. since maegor targaryen was a usurper, the rightful king was ageon uncrowned and after his death, the throne should go to his eldest daughter and her mother rhaena should rule as regent because he had no male heir and in such a case, the daughter inherits everything. the same in the case of aemon, since he was the successor of jaeherys, after his death the throne should go to the daughter of the prince of dragonstone since he had no male heir. so if he awarded the throne to rhaenys (I will ignore the long reign of jaehaerys), he would undermine his right to the throne and admit that the inheritance should be in a direct line, and he himself was a usurper just like the maegor.

@yanajara81 28 күн бұрын

Eventhough they don't mention this in the show, is quite evident in the scene from the great council that when this event happened, they both were already married.

@mrizwan7566 24 күн бұрын

Becaaue viserya was no where in the line of succession, and dance would have been avoided if his father prince baelon wouldn't have died. What is written about him clearly shows that he would be mmmake sure to take neccesary steps to avoid somthing like the dance.

@samirmuhammad1781 2 күн бұрын

They were already married, and there were too many heirs, until there weren't

@TheElochai Ай бұрын

Wasn’t Vizzy T and Rhaenys already married to other people?

@elizabethification771 Ай бұрын

They were both already married by the time they became contenders for the throne?

@christoperwallace6197 Ай бұрын

I mean, at the the time theywbere getting married, at least one if not both of their dads were still alive, so there wasnt any drama on the succession.

@ayiza8511 Ай бұрын

Because Rheanys was already married and her father was alive. the only people asking this have not read fire and blood.

@WorldOfWesteros Ай бұрын

I do think House Of The Dragon did a poor job of addressing that part of the backstory, even just a throw away line about it would have been enough to get across to viewers who only watch the show. xyz happened therefore this is why events played out how they did

@patrickrutland7138 Ай бұрын

Werent they both married already

@ReporterRed Ай бұрын

Why didn't Aegon and Rhaenyra marry for the same reason?

@jisooschrist9717 27 күн бұрын

age gap

@GoldenpaydirtReviews Ай бұрын

He should’ve never remarried, and if he was so with remarrying, he should’ve signed into law, a clause stating all kids with the Hightower family name, can inherit the throne, only hold court ship of future houses! Easy as pie! 🥧

@billberndtson Ай бұрын

1st to 🎶Take the long way home...🎶

@gremlin7264 Ай бұрын

They both were allowed to have love matches.

@verihimthered2418 Ай бұрын

❤

@viniciuspaiva8932 Ай бұрын

because they were both already married? aema and corlys exist

@lawrencereid2767 Ай бұрын

The grand mother made that happen lol

@marcomartinez8621 Ай бұрын

They were already married while the brothers were still alive

@ghostlyjudge Ай бұрын

Wasnt she married already to the sea snake

@BryndenBloodraven Ай бұрын

Then it would be boring history for watchers like us. Without the drama,conflict,death and destruction it wouldn't have been fun.

@IamRichieG Ай бұрын

Isn't Aemma also a grand daughter of Jaherys!!

@jisooschrist9717 27 күн бұрын

yes thats why her name is spelled like that

@mehrasa3892 Ай бұрын

Honestly it was all Aemon's fault for not having more children with Jocelyn, like dude you're the heir, you have one fucking job and that is to have a son. What were you doing for 22 years?

@misterkevinoh 28 күн бұрын

It’s not always easy to conceive a child… Maegor never had an heirs and he was like, fuckin tons of women

@Kodanikage Ай бұрын

While King J was a competent king, he wasn’t a good father.

@RemRaye 28 күн бұрын

Respectfully, you forgot a third solution in the question of who might be the ruling party. Rhaenys and Viserys could be co-rulers, sharing in authority equally. Given Viserys's personality, however, it's likely that even if she was a mere queen consort, Rhaenys would have been the real power behind the throne anyway.

@RoPiDe Күн бұрын

What an absurd question... the Dance of the Dragons happened because of the greens...

@mtverv Ай бұрын

Because Rhaenys wanted to pull an Antoinette and have her cake and eat it too. She wanted the Husband of her choice (Corlys Velaryon) AND the Throne. Logically she could only have had one of them and when she chose Corlys she was screwed

@smittypwnz Ай бұрын

To be fair he was a renowned hero of Westeros and the richest man in the Realm. Not to mention a man grown unlike her younger cousin. As the heir to the throne through her father who was heir at the time, she probably felt comfortable with the choice but her father died soon after sadly.

@gig7932 Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure by the time she got married her father and uncle were still alive so marrying a man from such a powerful house was a good idea. Also in the books the great council of 101 AC was between Viserys and Laenor not Rhaenys.

@smittypwnz Ай бұрын

If Aemon had lived she likely would have been Queen or face a civil war when she tried ascending the throne. She knew her parents would not have another child and if Aemon outlived Jaehaerys he would protect her claim. Daemon would likely be the only one to contest her in the Targaryen family at that point with maybe some support from lords wanting to push Viserys or Daemon as King if Baelon was dead at the time.

@Maegorthecrueltargaryen Ай бұрын

@@smittypwnzi doubt Viserys would care enough to try and take the throne besides he didn't ride another dragon after big B(rip) and Daemon wouldn't be able to make a claim since he is a second son and he would be one dragon against many

@smittypwnz Ай бұрын

@@Maegorthecrueltargaryen oh I’m not saying Viserys would, just brother and other influential lords might force him to or use him as a figurehead to oust a female Queen and what they might see as the Velaryons now ruling.

@truetory6231 Ай бұрын

The question should not be why did Viserys not marry Rhaenys but rather why did he marry Alicent. If he was lonely he could have easily just kept Alicent as a mistress and any children they had would be bastards but the moment he married her and started to have sons, the Dance was inevitable.

@lasloapollo4312 Ай бұрын

Because he is too passive. He only goes after women that were presented to him.

@lopesgabrielp Ай бұрын

Viserys I needed to remarry after Aemma's death... It's the "Middle Ages", people die all the time for stupid things. Rhaenyra could die in childbirth, from illness, from falling from the dragon, from murder... the king needs to get married and secure more heirs. is a dialogue that exists in HOTD, in which Viserys explains to his daughter why he needs to get married, this is his duty Anyway, Alicent is a Hightower, the oldest house in Westeros, with undeniable renown, power and money, Alicent was a good bride, even though she was the niece of Lord Hightower...

@truetory6231 Ай бұрын

@@lopesgabrielp I'm not saying Alicent isn't a fit bride, yes the Hightowers are not a bad house to choose from given thier lineage. The truth is any bride he married would have presented exact the same problem, the moment she gave birth to a legitimate son

@tness93 Ай бұрын

Nitpicking

@aprilmae274 Ай бұрын

Try looking at Corlys as a Prince. He IS. Vaemond was a Prince. Their Kingdom is Under the Sea. Rhaenys IS a Queen after Vaemond dies and Corlys levels up to King...and Rhaenyra {right Rhae? lol} WAS a Queen as well-of the West, Riverlands and Westerlands. WHERE did Corlys GO for 6 years and why? The show is going to give us the Real reasons.