Get rid of the word "suck"?

One time a score asked me to suck #metoo

It will be a horrifically sad day if John Williams passes away. He’s one of the only great movie score creators left. On top of that, he could even lead whole marching bands and make orchestral versions of whatever song.

The Dark Knight had a great score.

@@CipherRhodeShow him, Alan Silvestri, and Danny Elfman are "the three men I admire most" and when they take that "last train to the coast" music will actually die...

true, I mean, it's not bad to put atmospheric/background music sometimes, BUT ALL THE FREAKING TIME? cheap and boring tbh, no contrast

With constant sounds in the background with zero careful timing. Man I wish there was a mute button for music in movies.

Yep, that combined with the John Ford/Akira Kurosawa/George Lucas style of directing that John Milius used was epic. Those great sweeping soundtracks and the classic style of camera placement is what I miss most in todays movies. Today the camera moves around too much and is way to tight on the actors. Its another one of the reasons why these Disney Star Wars movies suck so bad.

Basil left us too soon. Conan, Robocop, starship troopers ost are real gems.

Yes, that is a great soundtrack.

Totally agree, one of my favorite original scores and movies

This is interesting. I'm a translator and I've noticed that the originality of my translations has gone down since I started using translation software a few years ago. My productivity is way up, because I can pre-translate sentences and handily insert glossary entries, but I can't easily reorder sentences or paragraphs, and if I'm not careful, sentences that are quite similar in the original end up pretty samey in the translation. Technology can be a great asset, but it does seem to promote speed over originality (there's no way my clients today would accept the deadlines I used to think were normal - everything has to be translated and edited within the next 2 minutes) and reduce the space for creative input.

Llewellyn2844 just checked out his stuff definitely hear what you're saying there

This is interesting: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gNqCiJuUstaUfp8.html

Llewellyn2844 James horner did it too with aliens score like holst Neptune and also Alexander nyevsky riff

All composers of movie background music recycle other scores & Romantic symphonies - Williams has ripped off all the great symphonies.

@@Mythologostrue, at least he was ripping off the good stuff😂.

The 80s Karate Kid trilogy had some beautiful music. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZreChKhqmdjYipc.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f7N-gKeVyLrVcYk.html

Jew know why, honestly Wagner was a musical nostradamus.

Thank you!

Wait, Rey had a theme? ;)

I was just as surprised as you when I saw that :P

"I have to wonder if a more memorable tune would have inspired Rian Johnson to the point of working out her character better." Umm...no, I think it's safe to say that more memorable music would NOT have inspired Rian Johnson. A cattle prod up the ass would not have inspired Rian Johnson. NOTHING mattered to RIan Johnson other than "subverting expectations". That was his choice at every plot juncture, chance at character development and reference to the OT. He may have some competence as a director, but for The Last Jedi, he was a one-trick pony, and it was a lousy, stupid trick.

Don't underestimate the power of good music. But yeah, i know it's a stretch. I don't think it would have made a difference, but I have to recognize the possibility that it could.

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well. Specially true for japanese games: Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid, Bayonetta, God Hand...

^ This

Also new Deus Ex games have stellar soundtrack

Even infinite warfare has a distinct soundtrack better than most movies

Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect, Skyrim, Witcher, Assassin's Creed... all on my playlist.

Red Panda Rampage they sure as hell tricked me into thinking TFA was going to be good. That first teaser and trailer for TFA had me super excited about Star Wars. The actual movie was one of the biggest letdowns I’ve ever experienced

Worst one I can think of was suicide squad

No. I'm sorry but I don't think the piano version of an old theme can be considered "really great".

But Disney Wars is purposely trying to fuck fans over so that would make sense that they'd make the trailers look good, only to shit all over us when the movie starts.

The original TFA trailer music made me incredibly excited for the movie. And the lack of interesting music in the actual film was one of many disappointments.

I second this, especially in regards to how often people complain that trailers and teasers "give too much away". Excellent suggestion.

I think they could, actually, mostly in movies that aren't the big blockbusters or comedies, though. There are original scores still being made.

In some cases those scores were made first and actually played as they filmed the scenes to help inform the performances by the actors.

Though I was only six-years-old in 1991, I saw “Fievel Goes West” in the theaters. Pizza Hut had a big ad campaign about it, too (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adCkhbp0192pfJs.html ). And I agree: the score of that movie is amazing. Songs, too.

Apologies for being late, but here are the videos I was referencing: DP/30: Avatar, composer James Horner (time coded to his comments about melody and recognizable style): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h9iTqNpqqZ-Wj6c.htmlm5s Every Frame A Painting: The Marvel Symphonic Universe: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdyWpM6n3L2Wlqc.html

LOVE it.

@@DVSPress "The Gift of Fury" is probably my favorite piece of all time.

I know they looked for very old types of instruments for that, gave it a primal resonance.

Great choice. If you wanna delve deep into that score check out the Art of Score podcast. Those dudes give awesome insight and interpretations

Also, on the TV side, I'll mention *Game of Thrones* and the *DC CW shows*.

Rabin's score for *Armageddon* is pretty much the best of the Zimmer-esque scores... Perhaps Powell's *Face-off* would be in the running as well, IMO.

I was going to comment Narnia might be the most recent film soundtrack that I've heard that I love. Sure there are others that work with the context of the film but are bland to listen to on their own.

Yep. DOOM comes to mind when thinking of awesome soundtracks. Also love the music in Portal 2

Michael Giacchino's work on LOST is amazing. It's not film, but it's the best TV show soundtrack I've ever heard.

Yeah LOST has the best score of any TV show or movie. Well maybe it's tied 1st with LOTR.

I'm curious if you've seen Wonder Woman? I didn't see a review on your channel.

Or you could just compose the soundtrack of an indie film.

Remakes never live up - always a cash grab.

Outsider composers are better at their craft. Academia has made musicians worse, if anything.

I am not using serialism the way I think you are - which I think is as a synonym for atonalism in general. Bartok never wrote serially as far as I know (and actively refuted many analyses of his music using "pitch class" theory), and Stravinsky only did it for a short time (and most of that work is highly obscure). Likewise the Italian Atonalists did not use 12 tone or serial forms to achieve atonal effects. Actual serial music is just that - generating music from a serial form. The point of 12 tone technique (which is not necessarily serial music, there's actually debate about it) is to control dissonance, not to generate a specific emotion - those are incidental. These are fundamentally structuralist approaches that reject the mathematical relationships that naturally establish the tonal system; the eclectic approach to looking at them as an effect set (which I talked about with Rocking Mr E some time back) doesn't change the nature of how and why they were created. Modern scores have plenty of dissonance (something you don't need 12 tone or serial forms to create). What they tend to lack, which the typical person picks up on, is melody. Most people in fact hate actual 12 tone or serial music because it contains so little effect other than incidental ugliness. I would say, generously, that 0% of all memorable John Williams themes use 12 tone technique, if he ever actually used the technique at all (which I honestly don't know, having only analyzed any of his music 15 years ago or more). All of the memorable stuff sounds like Holst or Wagner. The Knight bus scene doesn't really sound 12 tone to me at all, considering I hear a repeated bass line, but who knows, there might be some row in there somewhere. Example of actual serialism - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mpZhmdqU36isoGQ.html -You can understand why people don't have a connection with this approach to music, yes?

Sorry, wrote a response, decided to delete it and start over. My apologies, at first I misread your post and responded in an according way, so what I had to say was kind of not point for the topic. I am not referring to serialism and atonality as a synonym at all. Let me explain, Serialisim as it was taught me is a general overall post-tonal mindset. Most of the time, to me in the incarnations I have seen it, it is a case of using compound interval structures as a means of constructing a line and/or melody. To elaborate further on this specific case, a basic intervallic structure of using only intervals of a Perfect 4th and a minor 3rd (either ascending, descending or inverted ..... IE {C - F upwards and downwards} {C- G since G-C itself is a 4th inverted}... C-Eb {upwards and downwards} and {C-A since A inverted to C is a m3} ) if given enough time to develop could generate a line/melody that I would define as being derived from serialism. Another example would to be construct a line/melody which only uses certain notes out of 12 note chromatic scale. Ditto for dynamics and rhythm. Serialism can basically be endlessly applied since it is really about dealing with sets of something. Because of this in some circumstances I believe it could be tonal(ish). Since twelve tone music itself based around sets ( ie constructing a row through 3 sets of tetrachords or something along those lines) I would define it as a form of serialism. Serialism itself IS so much more than just that however, so if that is what you are implying I agree. Although, to be honest I do not ever recall stating contrary. Ultimately, I have spoken to John Williams himself about these topics in the masterclass he gave for the Berklee Composition department a few years back. He uses many systems like this to generate what you finally hear on screen. A number of his most famous melodies where derived this way. The Close Encounters main theme itself is a form of serialism. Since it was created using a set grouping of notes from the 12 tone chromatic scale. You don't have to quote me Milton Babbit, Ive dissected a number of his scores over the years. I know what serialism is, at least in my view as it was taught to me, and I think its sound because I do nothing BUT work as a professional musician and composer. I make a living off of nothing else, one simply doesn't get to this level without having things worked out to a certain degree, although I do absolutely admit that we might be arguing semantics to a certain degree. I am not going to get into an argument with you here over the merits of twelve tone music. I know a lot of people albeit mostly highly trained musicians that love the work of the second viennese school, myself included. Your definition of it is so basic. Read Schoenbergs own description of his music. Its visceral, its dynamic, it is remarkably human. Ultimately, I do not really care whether or not people have a connection to that music, that was not even on the table for debate to begin with. At least I have a connection with it though and that is really all that matters to me. Other people can go screw themselves, no offense. As for the Knight Bus, check out the youtube channel Big Daddy Dave. He has a score analysis that will show what I am talking about.

Yeah that was disgusting. And not the way a Star Wars movie is supposed to end. The disrespecting of the source material started with TFA, not TLJ. Too bad it took Luke throwing his father's lightsaber over his shoulder and milking a space cow for people to start finally noticing.

What? You absolutely know nothing about classical music and. Classical music masters all of the emotions.

@@nicholasbarrett3018 And you are one of the snobs I was talking about.

@@NotOrdinaryInGames damn right

KT definitely check them out. They’re some of my favorite films of recent years. All different, but all of them feel like complete film experiences. A lot of modern movies just have an “almost there” kind of vibe to me. These were the exceptions. Also Fury Road is badass! It’s a visual and auditory explosion. Love that movie

better music when?

sorry i mean "than the new Star Wars trilogy"

AMEN

I didn't care for Tron Legacy's music, but I could see how some people could like it.

@@DVSPress I liked Tron Legacy music. Inception was ok. But it's too rare though.

Those came out around a decade ago

Not yet. I'll try to get to it.