Can you do hyrule warriors next

Dune's pretty good. You should check it out! Won an Oscar

the one with the string section

Gotta be Interstellar

Interstellar

williams is about stealing from holst

and Denis Villeneuve does a lot with visual texture, it's a great combination

I have yet to see a more accurate comment

@@Woodsaras omg i was thinking the same

Yesyesyes

Perfect!! That's exactly what it is😀😀

Yes!! And it's exactly what the movie needs! I am currently reading the book and I'm listening to the movie OST for background music and it's absolutely incredible.

It is a perfect depiction because in the book Dune, it takes place 20 thousand years from now where humans have battled against AI, instead humans develop their thinking abilities to replace robots. So, this is the future of the future where they return a bit traditional with futuristic style, hence Hanz Zimmer's scoring is truly extraordinary in depicting that.

which perfectly describes Dune

And its si good because it fits the movie.Doesn t the movue give of kind of the same vibe?futuristic yet ancient

I couldn't imagine a composer less suitable for this movie than Williams. Just... no! Not Dune.

​@@janmajer4662 no, Hanz' texture is vital to the world on dune portrayed in the movie, it adds so much to a story focused on a specific world, versus the movies that Williams writes for, which focuses on characters' stories throughout different settings

Johann Johannsson ;-;

Thanks, Yoda.

@@manassinghbhati6 I came here to say that 😭 Johann Johannsson should have. RIP

And he has mastered the art of immersion

No he's a composer and the sound designer, your envious. Look at tracks from pearl harbour, pirates of Caribbean, tracks like "time" from Inception or s.t.a.y from interstellar.

This but unironically. I enjoyed the score in the films, but as someone who’s music tastes is 1/3rd soundtracks, I do not care to listen to Zimmer outside of the films he scored for. Musically, there’s not much there. It really makes you *feel* the epicness of the moment, and really elevates the meaning of the expression on say, Timothy’s face in a scene, but its nothing compared to John Williams and Howard Shore. I mean think about the asteroid field in Empire, or the reveal of the dwarven city in Fellowship, and compare it to what you’re ultimately hearing as *BRRRRRRR* in a few different chords.

​​@@Eilajienvious* Look at the Amazing Spiderman 2 soundtrack for Hans Zimmer's compositional abilities. If I had millions of dollars in orchestral VSTs I could make some nice droning scores too lmao but they're all that he does. If he did a few scores that were noticeable enough to be appreciated outside of the movie it would be nice. I can't name one he's done since the Lion King, and speaking of which Fatass McGee fucked up the remake's audio so add that to the list. Zimmer is overrated and will not be remembered among the current compositional renaissance.

Well Mark Mangini and his team at The Formosa Group played an equal role, as the actual sound designer of the film. The collaboration with Hans and his team is the magic

I was lucky enough to hear it in IMAX and let me tell you…that was the best movie going experience I think I’ve ever had. Absolutely immersive, I could feel the ships rising out of the water on Caladan and the voice shook me every time. It was incredible

i regret not seeing it in the theater only watched it on hbo

I heard how thrilling it was in IMAX, but I was disappointed because my local theater was having sound issues.

I don't agree. Anymore than a ripped MMA guy is better than a 20 year Kung-Fu man. Looks better? Maybe. John Williams score for Star Wars sounds like nothing else. In fact, I can't decide if it or 1959 Ben Hur is the best of all time. Zimmer routinely uses sounds from parts of Don Giovanni. While Star Wars and Ben Hur used The Planets from Holst.

@@putinscat1208 Your point about bombastic music not necessarily being better is fine, Hans zimmer certainly doesn't go for a melodic orchestra like John williams. But your analogy of comparing a MMA fighter going up against a kung fu master? Go see martial artists having a real bout with a trained MMA fighter, you're making light of a profession, insulting their hard work and effort. That image of the "wise old kung fu master" is influencing your opinion of the realities of the modern world.

@B Complex Back in the prehistory of the internet there was a .WAV file that went something like "A blue-painted Pict striding across a field in Scotland stepped on a bloated sheep carcass and thus the pipes were born". I wish I still had a copy of it. It's a small snippet but completely hilarious and a pretty apt description of bagpipes.

I want to say Zimmer pretty much confirmed what you are saying in an interview. In Dune lore House Atreides supposedly goes all the way back to Agamemnon, like Homer Trojan War Agamemnon, so yes very old. When Villeneuve said he wanted something like bagpipes for the scene Zimmer thought it made perfect sense, because bagpipes are not just Scottish, they from all over and often used in a ceremonial context especially when related to the changing of power (royal/military). I want to say Zimmer even joked "Anywhere you have wood and goats, the goat better watch out because someone is going to turn it into a bagpipe". My point being House Atreides being like "We are a Major house, a royal military family, with and ancient heritage, we get this super old instrument to represent us because TRADITION!" makes perfect sense.

Or there homeworld is similaie to scotlans

@@ttry1152 Aye, Paul grew up in a tenement block on th'east end ae Glasgae

Well said my brother

Howard Shore is a tie!

Ludwig Goranson entered the scene..

Why do you people always say “nobody does it like Zimmer” when you don’t even analyse any other composers in the same way… Such a sheep

@@paintbrush3753 That's not true, in my comment I mentioned John Williams as also being someone who can't be replicated. The nuance here is that John Williams' style is all about ushering in a sense of magic, mystery and royalty. That's awesome and totally fitting to films like Star Wars or Home Alone. A Zimmer score would not fit like a Williams score in Star Wars. Where as I feel that Zimmer's style is completely atmospheric. If I could describe it metaphorically, John William's scores are in the stars and dreams of the worlds/sets of films he writes music for, and to me, Zimmer's music feels to be from underneath the foundations of the worlds he writes music for. As if it and core of said world vibrate at a resonant frequency. That to me is unique and different. John Williams is the best at what he does, but there are film score artists like Danny Elfman for example, who have a similar style, but there's nobody I know of that seems to be able to replicate Zimmer's secret crabby patty formula. Another composer I think is great, unique and underrated is Bruce Faulconer.

@@kenblaji The Tenet Soundtrack is pretty awesome.

Haha right, its like "but why cant i have both??"

It takes you places you've never been? You've never heard a creaky garage door in your life? Or garbage trucks squealing?

@@animalanimation5110 I’ve listened to so many scores and so much classical in my life. Dune soundtrack hits differently and I can easily take myself into another world, it really surprises me that there’s people like you that interprets it that way lmao respect to your opinion, it’s just a Terrible one imo.

@@treytilley333 Agreed. The Dune score is a big part of why the movie has such a unique, otherworldly feel, both alien and very human. It's stunning.

My mum is a terrible cook so I'll take the beach

That's a very VALID observation mate. Should one a main topic too.

Yeah, if you don't go to see this in a theater you need a sick setup to hear the score the way it's meant to. A subwoofer is mandatory.

funny, i can hear it... oh wait... that might be the 8 x 15" subs in the attic xD

Brb... gonna use this little nugget to test how good my subwoofer is

I listened to the song and my head started going from left to right and saying aaaaaaaah indian song very good very good.

Sorry mate no way im typing that in

@@jonblon-II 😂 you can copy the song name 😇

@@MS7.7 🥰😍😇

@@ambareeshchithran8792 Thank you so much for this! it's the exact kind of touch point I needed to start a delve into music theory outside of the European Classical sense.

Me too😁

Me too

His dc works are commendable too...

Spirit is one of them watched it last night

lmao exactly

I don't recall any of this being part of the books, but I may be wrong, it's been years. If that's the case, the choice and interpretation that you are making would be entirely on Zimmer's imagination...

@@abelsuisse9671 Yeah, I'm giving Zimmer the credit here. We're also supposed to relate more with House Atraides, more specifically the leaders thereof, so the incorporation of more familiar instrumentation goes along way toward that as well.

@@abelsuisse9671 They were tracing their lines to ancient Greece somewhat, however I belive it was retconned by Brain Herbert so those Greek names were pointing to Butlerian Jihad participants

Bagpipes are also heavily associated with military forces, which is why this instrumental choice for a house as militarily competent as Atreides also makes sense.

Caladan = Caledonia = bagpipes = see what I did there?

Very true. I hadn't felt that way about a movie since Lord of the Rings, honestly

He basically composed for a documentary of an imaginary place. Pretty cool

Don’t know if he’s really changing the composing game for the better though, I’m kinda tired hearing an Inception ripoff for the hundredth of time in a movie or series.

@@Flashplayer65 just like the tenet score. It sounded like someone trying to emulate hans zimmer

Villeneuve and his team succeeded with Dune where James Cameron failed with Avatar. They managed to bring an imaginary science fiction location TO LIFE on a level that very very few have ever achieved to this level of near perfection everything was amazing in the film. I truly think it is/will be the next Lord of The Rings.

Wow

pretty sure it was cubase that he was known for getting all his underlings and eventually all of hollywood to use. Even decades ago when it would crash every 15 mins haha

@@MrSinny94 you may be right man , I just read from an Ableton founder that he was very interested in Live at one of their first expos ever

@@MrSinny94 you are right brother, cubase ftw.

@@justusreim5539 CUBASED

It taps into what paul's going through with his Kwisatz Haderach Prescience. Pretty crazy how well the score gets on the feels.

I think you've been having too much soy milk.

@@animalanimation5110 think you need to go outside pal

Science fiction isn't an attribute that determines quality.

The seduction and tragedy of power in Holy War. Being the front edge of much bigger forces.

@Don't Read My Profile Photo cringe

The bagpipes was actual like 20 stacked guitar parts by Guthrie guthan

Yeah if you watch the interview with Hans Zimmer about the sound track, you’ll find that out, it’s really cool.

The Atreides theme is super sick, but continues to play mind games with me as I keep anticipating the melody is about to break into "Auld Lang Syne" or worse, "Oh Christmas Tree, Oh Christmas Tree".

@@McPickleness I won’t be able to Unhear that lol

He is a beast indeed! The behind the scenes clips from him working on the soundtrack for Black Panther are amazing-really connecting with locals. You were probably already aware that the reason Christopher Nolan didn't work with Hans on Tenet was because Hans was doing ... Dune! Love what Ludwig did for that one!

Love Göransson's work. I wish he scored "Obi-Wan Kenobi".

I think he's a lot better than Zimmer.

i completely agree, watching how Göransson made the soundtrack for The Mandalorian was incredible

@@DoctorNemmo He may have potential to be as good as Zimmer someday but he is in no way better than Zimmer now.

Yes the music made the danger and unfamiliarity of the Atreides in Arrakis very clear, I loved it!

Agreed

I think it's a raga called mayamalavagowla (in Indian Carnatic style) which is transposed +1 if I'm not wrong 😅

@@ayye5208 ywa, that is mayamalavagowla, i was thinking the same

Yeah it makes sense. The planet Iraq where the Oil is from.

Was looking for this! Very common sound in Indian classical music

Thank you, i was wondering!

I'm familiar with this scale through a death metal context. When I hear it, it sounds evil and menacing. When you hear it, do you think it sounds happy or good spirited?

@@maillardsbearcat Depends on the context imo

It is also called Hijaz Kar in Arabic music.

Came here to say this!

Hava nagila too I believe.

Dick Dale’s father was Lebanese.

actually that scale in Arabic is called the Nikriz, it's rarely used and it's a mix between two main Arabic scales which are the Hijaz and the Nahawand

@@sofianebl9927 Can you please share with me all of your knowledge on scales? I am willing to pay you for lessons

But also not get paid enough

@@musicman24X Yup! This feels like it glosses over the fact that HZ uses ghostwriters who are often not credited or properly compensated. I'll give him credit for being fairly open about the use of ghostwriters, but he could go a lot further to spotlight his collaborators.

I gave up correcting people a long time ago, it's still funny as hell in real life when I tell people what I'm into and they think it's a good time to say they are Hans Zimmer fans just before I correct them, **rc media fans lol

@@kyleserafin9616 He's also unfortunately a child abuser.

@@sandiago7564 ruh roh - source?

To me it sounds like a dystopian future but you’re already there. There was no change. And you don’t know how you git there. But you’re there now and you can’t get out

Perfect description of what Paul goes through in the later books. He is not a hero

Yep, there is definitely something sinister lurking behind the surface, and it's perfect. To all the reviewers who mentioned that they think Dune is just another monomyth, they are going to have a rude awakening.

like when you found out chocolate milk doesn’t come from brown cows

@@brentennielsen7293 a devastating and wretched truth

I disagree, they’re not too different actually. Tracks like leaving Caladan and Bene Gesserit from the first soundtrack blow tracks from dune 2 out of the water so I think both are on parr.

I recall hearing that each metronome "tick" on the water planet signified an entire day passing on Earth.

yes every clock ticking represents one day. Btw it's not a metronome since it's actually not on beat but an actual second^^​@@GoBlueHTB

Naaah…. Williams does all of the above ⬆️

Hans Zimmer is a bit overrated because many people would like to believe he is a God of music. He is great, but not perfect.

@@halfbee7886 no one is perfect

Fun fact, Zimmer didn’t read the whole script for Interstellar, just a couple of pages, but damn that soundtrack goes deep into your soul. Fantastic movie, but the music makes it a legendary movie in my opinion.

Sounds like a distinction without a difference. Both composers are capable of eliciting strong emotional reactions but use different methods. What Zimmer lacks in technical skills he makes up for in creativity. He finds the right sound for a film, experimenting and tinkering away to find that sound. Williams relies more on his shear skill as a composer and his innate genius to write memorable themes and intricate leitmotifs.

He's definitely not underrated

the music to the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie was actually written by Klaus Badelt :)

@@markusmeiser9436 He did mention that he did the main theme, and Klaus did the entire score.

@@JumboCod91 This.

@@JumboCod91 Sources? Explain.

Vangelis.

​Ludwig Gorranson

Michael Giacchino

if its the hijaz scale then it belongs to the group of Armenian scales

JP - Its utilized by several cultures & regions, from India to Eastern Europe.

I bet anything he probably had no idea he was doing that, and that obsessive KZfaq video makers overthought it from their basement.

Please stop insulting Arabic music by implying that the noises in this film are Arabic music. Thanks!

@@animalanimation5110 its very arabic inspired so whats your point?

Instant chills and tears

“With me!”

Atreides. Read the book

The association becomes even more clear when you also throw the Latin name of Scotland into the mix. Caledonia -> Caladan

Spanish gaita?

Not to mention it's association with battlefield intimidation. Many a young English soldier soiled his armour hearing it in the dark of night

Zimmer also mentioned in an interview that he was trying to envision what instrument from humanity would persist several millennia in the future, and he and the director if Dune both agreed it would be bagpipes

@@pipolwes000 THANK YOU! I was waiting for someone to make that observation.

The scale he plays at 6:23 is clearly "Bhairav" (Hindustani) / "Mayamalavagowla" (Carnatic). Such a hypnotic composition!

came here to say this ! Mayamalavagowla is one of the first "scales" taught in carnatic music

Well said.

Zimmer's production is very polished, but not particularly inventive. He does lots of traditional stuff quite well, nothing new. Newman's style of composition is much more inovative

Don't forget his dozen synth programmers who made those sounds, additional music composers, musicians etc.

Both Williams and Zimmer are derivative. There's not a chance they would get away with that theft of sound and music in the world they took them from. Brilliant, but derivative and really quite dependant on the ignorance of the listeners to spot the original forms. It's why its 'movie music'. edit: I watched Aliens again last night, wow. They owe Shostakovich and Khatchaturian quite a bit don't they? It's just wholesale 'taking'. At least Kubrick just used the originals, always liked that about him. Not being a snob, just their 'genius' needs a slap down as far as I'm concerned. I love them also, I don't mean to decry Aliens or Horner, I think it's a masterpiece of film making. Though in respect to genius or originality (re: something like 2049), Pauline Oliveros is/was much more innovative and interesting for example. Nobody will ever bother to find out who that is. Just consume - nom, slurp, belch and regurgitate (Without due credit unfortunately, I don't enjoy that world much. Take and no give. Modern age. Hollywood)

@@eustacequinlank7418 Horner lifted those pages on quite a number of films.

That’s so cool! Thanks for sharing 😄

“Misirlou” scale. It is so familiar it is entertaining watching Charles analyzing it.

This specific scale is Hijazkar. Hijaz usually has the minor tetrachord (nahawand) as the second part of the scale, and would play around with modulating the second part to rast (like major with a half-flat third) and maybe nikriz (minor with a sharp fourth) and a bunch of other tetrachords and then come back around to the main hijaz scale (aka Phrygian dominant).

@@RusNad you are right I didn't see the C# Gonna edit the comment

@@RusNad btw in greece we call this tetracord you mentioned neveser. Where are you from?

I was wondering if anyone would notice.

If you’re wondering it’s about 12000 AD.

@@krakenkrafted5122 It's further than that, because (in the books at least) the war against 'thinking machines' around 10,000 years prior that was mentioned several times is itself set 10,000 years in the future relative to us.

@@wanderingrandomer That's weird. I guess the movies digress there bc the opening scene on caladan says its around 12000.

@@krakenkrafted5122 I thought the same thing too when I first saw the film (I hadn't read the book at the time). It's ambiguous, I suppose.

I also saw him a month ago in munich and it was amazing. Hans was apparently so proud of the Dune soundtrack that he decided to play it like four different times during the whole show, but he had every right to do it, the soundtrack is breathtaking

Have you seen the sequel? The score was just as fantastic.

What score u talking about

@@Moodboard39 the film score of Dune 2.

ooooo from Interstellar? when they're chasing the old indian air force drone? fuck that whole score is hauntingly powerfuly

I loved, and I do mean loved, the soundtrack to Interstellar. I've never seen the movie but got into the soundtrack here on KZfaq. I finally listened to an audiobook recording (homemade by someone but it's good enough) and realized the real theme in Interstellar is the abandonment of a daughter by a father and that did me in. My father abandoned me, my siblings, and our mother when I was about 8 years old. Just moved out one day, cleaned out the joint bank account (back then, women needed their husband's permission to withdraw money from joint accounts but men could take everything without needing the wife's permission) and left Mom with NO money and five children as he skipped his merry way onward in life. SO....finding out that that was a huge theme in the movie, I then couldn't stop hearing the loss, the anguish, the confusion, and the utter betrayal that Murphy feels when he goes, even though he's going for the good of Humanity (unlike my dad who went to chase women he wasn't married to). When you're a kid and a parent literally abandons you and never looks back, it's rough. Hearing that abandonment as written by Zimmer was wrenching. I don't know how he knew how to portray abandonment and betrayal in music but he did a great job with it, so much so that today, I can't bring myself to listen to Interstellar any more because it hurts too much. Sorry for War and Peace. I believe in context. LOL

I love the soundtrack too, but I don’t enjoy watching the movie very much

@@LauraS1 ​ Interstellar is a beautiful experience if you can find a way to watch it. And it’s not really about a father abandoning a daughter but saving her and everyone else

@@swirlingchias father of a daughter I very much felt it was something he had to do to save her. Surprised anyone thinks otherwise, but things change when you have kids

Also, to answer your closing question... If I'm looking to play an iconic film song just to do that, I'd listen to John Williams. On the other hand with Hans Zimmer, I'd just watch the movie as it feels more connected to it.

indeed. beautiful.

*bass synths

@@Jalapeno_sizzle thanks

@@kozodoev I promise you he wrote the theme lol

@@kozodoev Klaus wrote the score. He did not write the theme.

So I posted my comment with proof 3 times already and it got deleted all 3 times. Disgusting.

@@kozodoev I'm not sure why you think I'm wrong, but this video is my source, and they interviewed Zimmer, so... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qc2kapOovNG5hqc.html

@@isabelladonna Most channels have it set to delete comments with urls automatically because there's so many bots on the platform

Ok, jazz is literally 66% rhythm

Can’t deny the electronic influence as well

You could feel the sound in your bones it was pretty cool!

One of the best moments in cinema period. Love the docking sequence

batman theme and megamind tho :O

right? and if you do remember it, it's often just tiny bits of it rather than the entire melody

If those other composers make music, Zimmer makes a stage. Better in some cases, worse in others.

Pirates of the Caribbean?

Gladiator and spirit included lion king also dark knight final blade runner kung fu pand pirates of Caribbean mission impossible two Batman vs super man Inception The Road to El Dorado Interstellar The Last Samurai and dune

Also I think Zimmer does better in the 'memorable melody' department then he's given credit for. What's his first oscar for best original score in, with a bit of thought can you hum two of the tunes? Zimmer just /also/ has a lot of capacity for other styles of music then the bombastic main theme kind of thing.

Learning about Full Spectrum/Infrared/Ultraviolet photography gives some interesting insight into how non earth life might see the world too, its really neat what a modded camera can see and I highly recommend checking out some of the KZfaq content for it

Me too!! I watched it it theatre and remember being literally blown away by the drums during the opening scene, and the visuals made everything so mesmerising!

nice

Aka the Byzantine Scale

it is not hijaz but very similar

Now I really wanna write some music in that scale

Where can one learn more about the 8 Arabic musical scales?

True 👍🏼

So cool thanks for this

"Anywhere you have a goats and reeds, you have bagpipes" - Nicholas Bras Bagpipe instruments are found all over the world. Though the Atreides are shown with Highland bagpipes played by guys in kilts, so that's a bit more overt. "Atreides" is "Son of Atreus", Atreus meaning "fearless" in Greek, and canonically descends from King Agamemnon

Well every human in the world of Dune is related to earth. It is situated in our galaxy but in a real distant future and humans are either undergoing evolution, introduced to quallity of life improvement, bred, mutated or cyborg like. Or like the fremen exposed to ecosystems. Earth was forsaken but some cultural elements have survived in some sort, like the bibel but are now distorted in some form.

Well, the home planet of House Atreides is Caladan, which has very Highland-like landscapes, so I think that the bagpipes perfectly reflect that culture.

Perfectly reasonable to figure that bagpipes might have some heritage. The Portuguese have their own type of bagpipes and Caladan is a reference to Catalonia so the Atreides are more widespread Mediterranean than just Greek. And Dune takes place 100% within the milky way. Arrakis is ~300ly from Earth

@@anotherdrummer2 is it really a reference to Catalonia? Wow so cool. That's were I live!

I'm a NIN fan, but I think the soundtracks are his finest moment, however I think the Ghosts V/VI albums under the NIN name (Although instrumental and have Atticus on board)are really interesting and contrast each other. It would be an interesting video too. Nine Inch Nails Ghosts V: Together Ghosts VI: Locusts

I also liked Barra Barra by Rachid Taha from the same soundtrack. 🙂

You call Hans NOT a musical genius?😳 what are u on?

He is a musical genius but in a different type of way than a normal composer.

@@shepardcommander5174 No, I didn't. Read again...

@@joeabiro2049 Exactly!

An area smiliair to ireland/scotland

finally someone else noticed :) its not only that. even the major hook essentially is as if you loop bar 7 and 8 of "Once Upon a Time in the West". the score is basically a BWAAAAAAH remix of one of the greatest scores of all time. and noone noticed. i find that hilarious.

Same song