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2012 macbook pro owner here, running sonoma and upgraded to 16GB of ram and 1TB SSD. Still on it's original battery too, although it's nearing 900 cycles.

All valid points, I think the Mac Pro 2013 deserves an honorable mention as a hobby PC due to the prices falling as they should have long ago.

Im more worried about the software. If Apple stops rolling out Updates to any Intel-based mashine, you'll not be able to install the newer OS on unsupported devices due to the different CPU-architechtures. Opencore will die evenuelly and there is nothing we can do about it. You'll need to buy the newest tech if you want to run MacOS, where hte RAM and SSD's are soldered to the board and Apple just messes with the consumer market, by charging absurd prices for fixing dead SSD's. Anyway, you still did a good job explainung the pros and cons when buying Intel-based Macs.

Intel Mac can run older macOS ( games-app 32/64) and dual boot, can run 3 or more display. I’m allow to upgrade my own GPU, HD/SSD/PCI slot PCI.. Intel Mac have Blu ray drives

I bought last year a 2019 16” MacBook Pro for the reason that all engineering apps are only available on windows. I’m talking about Revit, autocad plant 3D, aveva e3D etc. It’s noisy and battery life is not great, but the build quality and the possibility to boot both in macOS and windows is priceless. If I had the possibility to run my engineering apps on the new Mac’s I would switch immediately. And parallels is not a solution, I need hardware accelerated graphics.

I'm still using a Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015 and I love it. It's still my go-to laptop despite also having a 14" 2021 Pro machine as well.

i sold my M1 TB 13" MacBook Pro back in 2023 and bought a 16" i9 TB MacBook Pro... i loved the performance of the M1 in Luminar or FCPX but for i really wanted that bigger screen size! A Thin but still decent sized, portable Mac... I started to see the REAL benefit of the Intels by a couple of Weeks and Months, for me it is surprisingly the Touchbar is what holds me back from upgrading, also the phenomenal Speakers on this thing! Never heard such good speakers in any laptop. Also the Quad Thunderbolt Port selection is a major point for me, i personally never use HDMI or a SD card reader... I mean yes it gets burning hot when cutting Video, Editing Photos or just putting it under a heavy workload BUT it still runs perfectly in alomost any condition performance wise! I could go on and on why i still love my i9 Mac :)

I upgraded my mothers 5k iMac (2015) with 16gb of RAM, changed the Fusion Drive for a SSD and renewed its thermal paste. Having the capability of upgrading is something I miss about the ARM Macs because its kind of a hobby. I did this to several iMacs and changed the battery on a retina MacBook Pro.

recently replaced battery of my MacBook Pro 2014, cleaned up dusty inside and added new thermal paste. running smoothly again, not bad for a 10 year old laptop.

I have a 13" 2016 Macbook pro, with 16 GB of RAM and I upgraded the ssd to 2 TB. I have it plugged into a doc and use it as a desktop machine, and it works great. Additionally, I have made a Dell Latitude into a hackintosh, running Sonoma 14.3 with a 1 TB SSD and 32 GB of RAM. It runs incredibly fast. I have no desire to pay for Apple's M1 or higher, can't be upgraded, Macintrashes until I am forced to, and my machines become unusable.

I work in IT, and I have a 2019 MBP with Windows and macOS.I tend to favor macOS, but I do have Windows for support or running various other tools if needed.

dont have mac but damn that chip is fast if the gpu cores can mach 4060 ti and still have cpu cores to do other things. Is that machine noisy when do anything heavy?

My everyday work and gaming computer is an M1 Max Mac Studio, which I'm extremely happy with (and before that, an M1 Mac Mini), but I have a growing collection of Intel and PowerPC Macs, many of which see frequent use. I use a mid-2012 13-inch MacBook Pro or an 11-inch 2013 MacBook Air as my work commute laptop, I use a 2013 trashcan Mac Pro for Mac games (mostly 32-bit games) and Photoshop, and I often use a Pismo PowerBook G3 or a Titanium PowerBook G4 to revisit games from my childhood. My vintage Macs, and the Intel Macs especially, are still very useful and feel fast and capable for light-to-medium tasks and even gaming, and they've been very fulfilling upgrade projects. My 2010 cheesegrater Mac Pro, in particular, is a screamer: a 3.46 GHz six-core CPU; 48 GB of RAM; a 1 TB NVMe drive; an RX 580; a USB C/3 combo card; two Blu Ray drives.

I still use a PowerBook from early 2011- the LAST 17" screen model. It was my dad's old work laptop (he personally bought it)... and I moved it to Fedora 39 a while back, it's amazing for it's age. I need to get a 2.5" solid state drive to really get more out of it, but for it's age and size... it's really nice... And with Linux it even gets modern updates and security. Not a bad machine honestly. BEST OF ALL... people using older machines that are capable for the common tasks online and such... it prevents E-waste and throwing are GOOD hardware.

I picked up a late 2012 MBP (Catalina) for $130 CDN for the single purpose of running REW and miniDSP Device Console to fine tune DSP setting on 2x4HD on two separate multichannel audio systems. While the MIDI controller won’t properly map more than 7.1 surround ( i.e. Atmos, etc) , and a mini display port to HDMI adapter is required to connect to my surround receiver, it works like a charm. The budget priced Dayton calibrated microphone and stand cost more than the MBP, so for a total investment of less than $300, my use case is fully satisfied.

I just bought a 2017 iMac Pro the base option which has 1TB/32gb Ram/8 core cpu/Radeon Pro Vega 8GB etc for $1,600 refurbished from Best Buy. Flawless panel, basically zero damage at all to the body, runs the latest Mac OS with ease, and came with 24 month warranty with my total tech membership. I always wanted one and I couldn’t be more satisfied for what I’ll be using it for. I have a couple apple silicon Macs as well as a 2020 27 i7 iMac and this 2017 iMac Pro handles everything even on the latest Mac OS Sonoma effortlessly

virtual machine support also seems to much better which is great for cybersecurity

My old Macbook 2012 was great at running Linux,I was sorry when it finally gave up the ghost as it gave great service as a Linux machine.

And the 17" has very good screen realestate and good quality of image for when it was built.

I wish someone would come up with a graphics fix (other than bypassing the dedicated) for the late 2011 macbook pros

I still have a 2012 MacBook pro retina i7 and I think it time to upgrade, I've changed the thermal paste and cleaned its fans but it won't stop heating up, I guess its now time to change it!!

So happy to find your channel. 2017 mbp owner here. I'm so bitter about being stuck in this ecosystem. For audio, windows can be really shaky.

Rhino for mac v8 only just released to work on apple silicon and it's a crash fest so I'm still on Intel.

i bought a refurb late 2015 5k iMac right before c*vid hit in 2020, then didn't need it. just pulled it out of the box a few months ago and stuck 64 gigs in it. probably won't upgrade the OS past Sonoma. fantastic machine.

I have a 2009 cMP that’s been upgraded as much as it reasonably can be (dual 3.33 6 core xeons, 1080 GTX, 32GB RAM, NVME storage) but my M2 MBP runs circles around it, and works flawlessly with my studio display, and can be taken on the road, etc. If it wasn’t for the fact that I occasionally need a windows machine, I’d have no use for it (though I will NEVER get rid of it) It’s a brilliant machine that has remained useful way longer than it has any right to but it’s now 15 years old and that’s practically prehistoric in computer years. I wish there was a way to get a modern Intel motherboard in there along with modern GPUs (you can run modern GPUs in the old cMP but you’re going to experience massive CPU bottlenecks, negating any kind of performance advantage), RAM, Thunderbolt, etc. The cMP still remains the one of the best cases ever - it still looks fantastic and fresh today. If only we could get modern hardware and macOS running on it. That said, anyone know how to make a cMP form factor logic board based on 2024 architecture? :-D

Well, I have upgraded several old basic macbooks (maxing the memory and installing a SSD) along with a few 2012 15" Macbook Pros. From what I see with a more typical Apple Mac user, they basically use it for Internet, and the occasional office application. So, an upgraded Pro does quite well for them. I just bought one for $100 to have as a swap out for future upgrades (Some in my family are Apple fans, don't know why, but they are.) for family members.

I have a maxed out 2012 MBP and a pretty high end 2019 MBP. The only downside of running Windows on them (native or VM) is that it runs hotter, so MacFansControl app is important.

Interesting topic. Just 2 additional tips - with an OpenCore OCLP installer, 2012-17 macs can run the most recent OS Sonoma almost perfectly. Also for eGPU a great use case is for local AI training with a Nvidia GPU (from 3060 and up) - under Win/Linux, if you don’t want to build a brand new box. Many Windows laptop/mini/sff models lack Thunderbolt, and therefore does not eGPU. Mac Mini 2018 is the most cost effective model to run this. And AI on m1/2/3 is still under early development.

Apple Silicon doesn't run x86 Virtual Machines. I've tried setting up a solidworks VM in parallels desktop, but it just doesn't work. UMT is sort of working, but getting the Emulated VM to share a folder with the host system... still hasn't worked out for me. I bought a new 18 inch laptop so that i could have a decent mobile CAD workstation...

Does MacOS support the modern AMD 7000 GPU series or is the MacPro 2019 stuck in the "old" 6000 series of those days? I thought, Apple widely abandoned driver service. for the Intel version rendering to MacPro 2019 machine to vintage pretty quickly. And Windows 11 I can run on any modern PC.

Hi, yesterday I just took one MBP 16inch with full spec I9 64GB 8TB and GPU 5600M 8GB It was a refurbished one. But even with only 94 cycles battery and 97% capacity, the machine has only 2h on battery watching movies or some KZfaq videos. Is this normal or just the battery need to be changed? I am considering returning the machine only for that reason. Any advice?

I got a refurbished late 2014 MBP 16/512GB and I have side loaded the newest MacBook OS(Sonoma). It looks amazing and has works perfectly. As much as I like the newest MBP in midnight, I can’t justify the ridiculous prices they cost. And the hardware is nowhere near as durable these days as it used to be in the mid 2010’s.

I was surprised that there was no mention of 2014-2020 iMacs, particularly the 2014 and 2015 models. 2014s can be had for under $200 and 2015s for under $300. I bought my 2015 iMac 27 five months ago. It has an i5, came with 32 GB of RAM and a 1 TB hard drive. I added an external SSD from my parts box and it's perfectly fine for running my office programs. So $200 for a 5k monitor, great speakers, webcam, and microphones, Apple keyboard and mouse. I was looking to buy a Dell Ultrasharp 4k 27 inch but those are around $500-$600.

I was personally close to give up on my MacBook Pro 2010 which I’ve upgraded to the max possible mentioned in the video (matte / i7 / SSD / 8gb ram) Overall Sonoma works okay for basic tasks and and I ended up buying a new battery. In case Mac OS 15 is the last open core can patch, it will still extend his lifetime until technically 2027 for security updates. If it manages to survive, I will likely end up putting some Linux. They are still power pc distro maintained around so I’m not worried to find one for intel i7 even in 3 years. I guess it strongly depends of the usage everyone wants to make. In my case I’m already happy to have a 14 years MacBook still beating apple obsolescence.

You can bench mark all you want. In real use case scenarios with video editing and audio production, my 2018 i9 Macbook Pro outpreforms my M2 Mac Studio hands down in every way.

I upgraded my friend's early 2015 macbook air from macos monterey to vanilla windows 10. While in MacOS, the computer estimated 3 DAYS for a simple folder copy of an app. (App's size was 64 mb) Now in Win10 with drivers installed, it preserved its former glory when it was fast and well optimized on MacOS. I also did this to an Early 2014 MBA and it also performs very well. To be concise, Windows is a very well optimized OS for everything you can imagine. Just go with windows if you have problems with macos or perhaps linux, in my case I did.

Still have my original Macbook 2008 where I upgraded the memory to 8GB and 1TB SSD. It have multiple versions of Windows using Parallel and it is an amazing machine. I would only get an M? Macbook if I get a crazy deal from it probably after the M4 comes out.

I have a 2017 MacBook Pro. Apple replaced the keyboard, battery and top case a year ago. The machine is a dream to use. This MacBook is only used for productivity purposes and it fulfills that role perfectly. At some point down the road, I'll get a Silicon Mac but not right now.

My 2009 white macbook still works to this day, runs a lightweight linux distro

I still use a 2013 Intel MBA. I’ve upgraded the RAM, replaced the battery and keyboard, and replaced the original SSD with a fast nve drive. With OpenCore it runs Monterey perfectly. The ARM MBA is very nice but with no fan it thermal throttles under sustained load, which I need (compiling). This is not an issue on the Intel as I can control the fan. And it’s difficult to justify buying a machine that will become e-waste WHEN its proprietary non-replaceable SSD dies. This is especially true of used machines with just 8GB of RAM. A LOT of these Silicon macs will start dying in the next five years and there will be no way to fix them.

i have a 2012 mac book pro 13inch i upgraded it to the max and used open core legacy patcher to get mac os snoma runing on it oh and windows is also installed.

I recently had a phone call with a co-worker about a software problem. He was on the latest Intel Mac generation, I was on a Macbook M2 Pro. We both fired up XCode at the same time to look into the source code. On my machine, XCode was up in a few seconds on the project. On the other end of the call it took minutes.....

The switch to Apple Silicon was the motivation for me to switch back to Windows. They made me choose between the operating system I loved for 11 years, and my 33 years of PC gaming. I intend to keep gaming till the day I die, so Apple basically said said they don't want my money. I guess Tim Cook is a game-o-phobe.

I do have an 2020 M1 MacBook Air base model, it’s crazy that it beats my i7-7700k workstation by like 1000 point on Cinebench! I mainly use my systems for cpu intensive tasks so graphics is different story. I don’t even play any games so i dont care about the graphics card too much on any of my machines. I bought the Air to replace my old MacBook Pro Late 2011 and the performance difference is huge! 😂 I do still use my old for sd cards and usb drives etc cause i dont have any dongles yet.

Than you!

im a college student and im planning to buy a macbook. i found a 2020 core i3 around 420 dollars and it's the best deal i got. i will just use it for school, like pure school. like researching, pdf, and youtube. i know there are other laptop within that range but, but choosing between them and macbooks, i prefer the macbooks cuz i already have an iphone and ipad. is it worth it?

I have an M1 MBP and an M1 MBA but all I want to use is my 16" Intel i9 MBP. I just love the damn thing.

Points highlighted are pretty much why I have invested heavily on MacBook Pros such as Boot Camp although I never go for the eGPU setup. I'm still keeping my following MacBook Pro 15 2019 (Personal) and MacBook Pro 16 2019 (Professional). Use case is VMware Fusion running Windows Server and RHEL/Ubuntu x86 based for test bed for system application. Enterprise applications are mostly running x86. The only fear now is that I have is Apple drop OS support entirely for Intel Macs entirely.

Wait… the mid-2012 mbp can be display swapped??

I have a 2012 Macbook Pro and 2012 cMP tower. The fastest unibody you can get on the old style, upgrade friendly chassis is Ivy Bridge based. The 2012 cMP can take up to dual x5960s and 128 GB RAM. If you run it in the 96 GB configuration (memory controller quirk) and leave the sockets near each CPU empty, the system can use all three memory channels fully and you will gain something like 20% performance. Throw in a NVME drive on a PCIe card and it is still a very quick / usable machine once you get rid of the bottlenecks Can't stand the thought of a fully locked down system. I've had very little hardware fail, but it irks me to not be able to replace wear items (SSD / battery) easily. It's very much a tactic to destroy the used Mac market

I just bought second handed Macbook Pro 2016 touchbar for my daily drive work and I happy how it still can run smoothly in 2024. Might change to silicon once this 2016 total obsolete

Lol that dosdude1 pic was of my World's Fastest 2009 Mac Mini 😂 Great video bud!

But the SoC approach does come with latency advantages, nowadays thin and light windows laptops are also doing this

I have an iMac Pro with a Vega 56, plus, 3 eGPU: a 6800 and two 6900. I use it for Redshift and its quite, quite fast. Electricity bill is a thing, but still, not a complain. And also, if you can get a MacBook Pro with a 5600 GPU plus an extra eGPU with the 6900 AMD card, you still have a great machine nowadays.

Thanks for this! I am a vintage Mac user, from 2008 and 2012I they are long past OS upgrades, but they are the most reliable of machines. Since I retired, they are just fun machines now. If I need a battery or a part or two, IFixit is just a call away.

Use what you want to use, about security update etc.. etc.. just make sure if your device not longer supporting by apple so its time to change the main functionality of your old mac especially dnt use it for paying something and keeping your sensitive data. Just go for fun with your old device or maybe for little bit light use. People arround me always have a reason to use something old including old mac as long as it still working flawlessly.

Watching this on my mid 2009 MacBook Pro running El Capitan with maxed out 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD that I recently installed after my third failed HDD. I've thought about buying something newer for a long long time now, but it's so discouraging to see that all of the upgrades for the new Macs these days have to be bought upfront for crazy prices and that there's no way to upgrade them later on. This video really affirmed my feelings towards the whole thing. Until my laptop literally quits booting up one day, or I actually need something more powerful, I just can't justify paying thousands for a machine that will be outdated in a few years, although it can be very tempting seeing how slim, lightweight, fast and pretty the new MacBooks are! Was considering maybe taking a middle ground and finding a newer used intel i7 or i9 iMac and maxing out the internals instead....

I bought the last ever one in 2021 when they started getting phased out and it’s abysmal how hot it gets under strenuous loads. I tried selling mine with original packaging but everyone lowballed for far less than I paid with my college discount

I was happy with my 2012 MBP, but by 2018 I needed something more current that I could upgrade too. After a lot of internal debate, I went back to a Windows based PC and laptop. Doubled the ram on the laptop, and I put in two 2 TB m.2 nvme SSDs. It was easy peasy with no painful decisions that I had to live with because the specs could never change. Every once in awhile I think about an M2 Max or even an Ultra, but what I have now is cheaper and does what I need it to do. Apple makes appliances, and I need a computer. It's just one of those things.

Payed $20 for a mid 2012 MacBook pro, non rentna. Best $20 I've ever spent.

I have a 2014 MacBook pro all updated, but I need to change the battery out and now maybe a better screen lol

my 15" 2015 maxed out macbook pro died on me so i upgraded to a 16" m3max macbook pro and am really happy with it. (upgradability and repairability would be nice tough)

What about an iMac i9? I need an all in one pc for run Mac and windows. I like to play some games, maybe the future GTA 6. It will worth it?

I had an old mbp late 2011 fully maxed out. I’m a mobile software engineer, when I made the first upgrade to m1 iMac man did it feel really good. I then upgraded to M1 Max a year later (and I only lost about maybe $100-$200 when reselling the maxed out iMac) and wow I can’t even look back. The only thing that sucks is that wine doesn’t work on some old retro games, but I got a Win 11 VM that actually does work with those games. Just 1 quirk on the Star Wars rebellion space battles. Other than that I’ve been very pleased. Of course not everyone is like me though. I play the retro game consoles on my iOS/iPadOS/tvOS in their respective apps. Only windows retro games I play on my Mac

I've been considering getting an intel macbook air to use as a Linux internet content device for travel. My current laptops are just really big and bulky by comparison. I'm not sure which kind to get, the soldered ones sound like they could be good or bad, but parts eventually fail... and that's probably by design. Unfortunately Asahi isn't far enough along yet for me to consider the ARM ones. I'd like at least 8 gigs of RAM, but 16 or more would be ideal. Drive size isn't really a big deal to me, again, it's mostly going to be web browsing and maybe some libreoffice and maybe some retro games. All which should be more than doable even on the older ones.

I haven't bought a mac in a while I just got a Dell vostro and turned it into a hackintosh but do want to get the apple silicon mac this year and all I'm going to complain about is the upgradability

I’m running Mac OS SONOMA on my 2013 MBP 15. Runs better now then it did on Sonoma then it original Mac OS mavericks. Oh and the case has never been opened.

For price and support. There are lots of apps o widget that are not still supported. So why switch to Apple Silicon?

I still like my Mac Pro 5,1. I've done some reasonable upgrades to it, but it mostly lives as a media and file server - a companion to my 14" MacBook Pro. Truth be told I think i'd have no problem using it today with a few more upgrades, and could even boot Windows for some minor gaming. But there's something about keeping an old relic alive that's both fun and a waste of time when I should just be moving on with 'the new way'. I will say though that repairs and upgrade ability is still something I value immensely, enough that I consider selling my MacBook and getting a AMD Framework at least monthly. The 'ecosystem' keeps me in though. macOS is a great OS for the consumer and has many built in features that just work.

Just picked up a 2015 MacBook Air with 8 GB of RAM and 512GB for $190. Big Sur still works great for email, KZfaq, and most web surfing, especially with FireFox. I can still upgrade to Monterey if need be.

got a late 2013 macbook pro that i use as a media device, and it still rocks, even though it runs a bit slower due to big sur

I had 2: Late 2012 iMac, and a 2015 Macbook Pro. I had installed new ssds in both and they worked flawlessly. Sold both sadly.

I'm still holding into my 2019 macbook pro as i can run windows no problem. You cant do that on the new versions.

I gave my grandson my intel macbook pro which he still uses. I have a 27 inch imac with 32 gigs of memory. You could not ask for a better looking screen and I could easily upgrade the harddrive to a ssd, the memory to 64 gigs of memory and other upgrades. A beautiful machine. Allow me to mention that I realize that I cannot update the OS anymore, however if it should come to it I understand that Linux would run brilliantly on it.

I still used intel for dual boot.. I need a bootcamp

talking about local prices, my 2015 macbook air was $150 and I could put a ridiculous 2TB SSD upgrade on it, an M1 macbook air is $800, $150 dollars was already a big enough expense, can't justify $800 when that's like 3 months of work

My "ohh shit everythings dead" sailing navigation solution is a 2008 Macbook running OpenCPN and any iphone running gps2ip. That gives me Sailing charts and GPS location. I have a couple of Polycarbonate 2009 as "spares". Sailing life is exceptionally hard on electronics. Just makes more sense to use something i can replace for less than £100 than a £1000 M1 device.

Not having the latest macOS is a dealbreaker to me. I’m a software developer..

As someone in the market for a MacBook, you have been brilliant. These videos have helped me decide. I was close to an Intel Mac, but think I’m going with a MacBook Air M1 now!

Apple Silicon Macs are incredible. I bought a Mac Mini M2 Pro a month ago and it is a total beast. But a year ago I also bought a Macbook Pro 13 2017 inch without touch bar for approx. 500 euros used in very good condition and it is still incredibly good for HomeOffice and even video editing.

Programers (depending on what they do) might be limited to intel MacBooks. Because on the new architecture some of their work or program they use might not work or will be working differently.

I love the Apple Logo led light. I really hope they will bring it back.

I have a 2019 intel equipped mbp and a 2022 (I think) m1 mba. I mostly work in macOS, so I don’t worry about other OSs. I love the MBA. It’s light, battery is amazing and it just feels faster in all of my day-to-day uses. But the thing that my intel powered laptop can do far better than the newer Apple silicon powered laptop is drive external monitors. Apple really dropped the ball with that imo. The intel MacBook Pro feels like a desktop replacement when paired with a thunderbolt dock and some external monitors. The Apple powered MacBook Air never feels like anything more than a very, very, good laptop which sometimes has an external monitor hooked up.

I bought a 2019 16 inch for a really good price and I just run windows 11 for gaming and it is fantastic

Great video buddy, and I must say I am a big fan of the apple silicon macs however, I do see the value in the Intel ones and I do actually sell quite a lot of them on my eBay store so there is obviously a demand

the software update issue isnt even an issue. opencore legacy patcher can patch macos sonoma on a 2006 macbook (no gpu support because of the gma graphics) even if apple drops support for x86 in macos the hackintosh community will find a way. if they managed to run macos on amd and some arm based machines before the apple silicon macs were even released they can do that too.

All your points make me quite happy to be a big box PC guy. This is not a dis at Apple or MacOS, this is a dis at the fact the systems are now entirely locked in. What you see is what you'll get, and that's it forever.

A 3D physics/engineering simulation such as solving Maxwell’s Equations in an arbitrary structure that doesn’t allow for simplification because of symmetry can easily require 1.5TB and if you try to do it with only 192GB it won’t just run slower but will just probably crash the operating system.

the graph comparing apples gpu to the 4060 ti and 4070 is a bit weird. they arent "lower end".

I want one so I can use windows with boot camp and I like using them so I can upgrade the macOS to a newer and faster version Also camp boot uses dual boot with all the compatible drivers

Also the last intel MacBook Pro was released in early 2020 13 inch.

I run Linux on multiple 10ish year old macs and they run so hilariously smooth.. they feel like a brand new pc when I use them..you’ll have way more overall compatibility with more things going Linux than OCLPing an older mac and living in constant anxiety that the next Mac OS update will break oclp for good once n for all

Intel: 1. Native Windows Support (BootCamp) 2. Native Linux support (Dual OS) 3. Upgradability (Especially on Desktop Computers) 4. eGPU Support (in macOS and Windows)

I built a 2012 17" Macbook Pro with the GT650M and its been my daily. Video is on my channel.

I currently have a Mid-2010 MacBook Pro I got from a friend. I know Apple is going to phase the OS out for us Intel users, but my plan is to make the laptop a Linux machine after that point - parts are too old for me to run Windows 11 or 10 reliably on the system whereas Linux would still run pretty decent on that hardware. That means my MacBook can keep going for a few more years before all the components die. I was talking to my friend who gave me the MacBook about this and he said it was a good idea. And I don't download too much important stuff on it because it's not my main computer (my Windows desktop is) so I'm hardly gonna suffer data loss. I'm going to see if I can get something from 2012 to 2015 as the 2010 is almost 15 years old - either I'll sell the 2010 to someone or make the 2010 a Linux machine also and just give it to my brother because the 2010 MacBook Pro is old yes, but it still has some life, I would just benefit from something a little bit faster and more reliable. Edit: currently looking at some options right now, will probably get something fairly soon. I'm going to make the 2010 MacBook a Linux machine for my brother - now there's no E-waste.

2013 Mac Pros are still great for Pro Tools for almost no money. I've compared my 10 core 2013 to a new M2 max studio and although the M2 was maybe a little quicker there wasn't much in it!

Just recently bought a late 2011 Macbook Pro with 17" non-glare screen for 250€ because my old one broke down and I simplay swapped the 2TB SSD, 16GB RAM, Blu-Ray writer and internal Wifi/BT card (for Continuity and AirDrop) to the new device. Try that with a newer Mac lol.... This is the best FCP and Logic Pro machine ever!

All my needs are met by Ubuntu, so those used Intel machines work great for me. Shop carefully and the prices can be advantageous. My 2010 i7 imac was just $99. I only needed to put in a thermal sensor and SSD.

Being I worked for Mac software companies I lived through the pain when Apple makes major changes so when Apple announced they were going to start making their own CPUs I immediately ordered a new iMac with ten core i9 CPU. That computer is still my main desktop and when I got a Macbook Air M2 that old Intel iMac was just as fast. I got back into working in the audio world and the old i9 working fine. I got a chance to pickup a refurbished MBP M1 Max and the i9 iMac is holding its own. Why well for doing audio all those GPU does nothing for me. When doing audio with Logic and Ableton both app just use the performance core of Apple silicon, so the i9 with ten core is faster than the MB Air M2 and the MBP M1 has ten performance cores so the i9 and M1 Max are pretty close. In fact I'm using the Intel iMac more because of the 27" screen and when I am using my MBP M1 Max they feel about the same. What is really interesting to me both computer have 32GB of RAM so memory is equal Ableton has a CPU meter in the corner of the screen when running the same project on i9 or the M1 Max the Ableton CPU say the i9 is using less CPU resource than the M1 Max. Bottom line my 10 core i9 and 10 performance core M1 Max both run about the same speed. Now if I was to switch to a DAW other than Logic or Ableton that use the efficiency cores then thing would start favoring the M1 Max.