Thank you for the nice words...very much appreciated!

I can't imagine the last year cars are going to be worth much given the quality issues.

I am from the netherlands. We own a Restaurant in germany and our hobby car is a charger daytona 392 from 2018. We love it and i hope we never have to sell it. Thank you Brad for great Videos 😊

Damn, now I am looking at cars as smart phones, with a certain amount of updates, then expiring.

Hello Brad: Thank you for this video. I personally fail to understand why any of you gentlemen are being criticized for enjoying the Dodge brand. I thought that only adults could purchase a vehicle. Nobody forced anyone to pay over sticker so the buyer made an adult decision. If the buyer overpaid that's on them & no one else. Great channel Brad. TMP from N.J.

Buy a new create engine now while there available and put it away, you would probably make more money out of the engine than the whole car in year years to come.

California's a beautiful place. Too bad it's in California......

UTG channel is the go to anything mopar

Omg man love you're content! I feel you do an amazing job along with Uncle Tony's Garage. Been a Mopar Guy my whole life and I'll tell ya it's sad to see how quality and just the way these cars are engineered so you cant work on them withouta specialized tool or equipment. "Come to the dealer! We will help you!" Yeah right. This concept tho is not just with cars. It's everything. We live in a throw away world. I myself am old school and would prefer a 1970 challenger over that Demon 170. And nothing beats the original Mopar Blocks in my opinion. Once you hear a 426 Hemi or Wedge, or a 413 Max Wedge or even a 340, 383, 400, hell a 318... any of them, you don't get that THUNDER out of these new cars. Beautiful bodies on some of these cars bit to work on them would be a nightmare that would wrench the soul out of the body haha! Thank you again for the fabulous content tho and I'll be tuning in to see more! 😃 ❤️

2022 and 2021 owners hit the jackpot. Last calls will probably be worth damn near nothing in 50 years. I@'ve had so many problems with mine and im only at 9500 miles on it. Fortunately for me, i will most likely be dead and my Last Call 1320 will be a rusted husk driven to the ground.

I watched that video you posted a link to! That uncle Tony’s, it was amazing, he made perfect sense!

I was considering a demon 170 after seeing all the quality issues I’d go with an 18 demon or leaning towards a buick GNX

I’ve been enjoying my Demon 170. But I bought mine to drive and enjoy, with the expectation of it losing value. I wasn’t aware people bought these as investments especially when they paid these massive dealer mark ups. I will say I am new to these KZfaq channels and agree with your sentiments. I am looking forward to your video discussing the sale of your demon 170 (if this is true) as you appear to be fully transparent on all your other videos.

Demon 170s are going to end up either in junkyards after an unfortunate out of warranty 1/4 mile, or being unsellable zero mile white elephants. Either because the owner thinks they're worth $500,000, or they were stored improperly, rotted and need extensive restoration. Today it's in the position of being the only Dodge that won't get curb stomped by a Tesla Model S Plaid in a quarter mile. In ten years everyone is going to have a 9-second quarter mile car in their lineups.

Really excellent points about the future of parts for these cars and new cars in general. Great video.

Stellantis played everyone on this last call.....OCM again, you're on point with the info...now 2018 demon prices are going up. Nice car am looking is a all around super stock...

All I can say is I love mine! I bought it because it is an amazing piece of engineering. 1025 hp that is emissions legal and streetable. I have not heard of anyone who has been denied a repair, even if they were racing .

Uncle Tony is a cool old school dude

I would much rather have a 71 hemi cuda than a demon 170. I also believe that the 71 would continue to be a better reseller than the demon 170, not that I would be buying it to resell

You’re 100% right! If someone in their 30’s buys the demon 170 they’d have to keep it 40 to 50 years in order to make a ton of money and by that time they’ll probably be in an assisted living center..lol

I miss the days that when there was an issue with your vehicle and you didn’t know exactly how to fix it. You’d go down to a shop and buy the book for your specific vehicle and look up how to repair it. Today, I wish I still had my old 92 Dodge Ram. I worked on that truck myself. It wasn’t until the computer died and didn’t have the money to replace it that I had to get rid of it. That truck was 6 years old when I bought it and the odometer never worked. I paid $1200 for it and drove that thing for 5 years till it died.

Thank you for all your information and insight. You are awesome!

Great video and always thanks for the info

One of the real problems are going to be finding electronic parts in the future especially the radios which are car specific

I don't think I've ever owned a Dodge and have no desire to - but this Demon thing has been fascinating to observe from the sidelines. You've said it - cars are not an investment. They're tools and toys. Stocks, bonds, real estate - these are investments.

Yeah the supra needs bimmercode. Crazy how much tech the cars have now

It’s crazy because the hellephant engine was suppose to be Dodges number 1 crate motor

A hurst Hemi dart will always stomp a 170 on the auction block. Like you said, no emotional attachment. No one cares about a 2023 challenger nor will they ever.😂

My local dealership had a demon 170 priced at 250k and now dropped it to 130k after nobody wanting to buy it. They also have about 6 new hellcats just sitting overpriced in the showroom

Why dealership selling 170 for 100 grand over still

I used to live in Vista. I still have a couple of cousins still there. I would go down there all the time.

Excellent video Brad! What type of camera do you use? Quality looks amazing.

Hey Brad, huge fan of the Chanel, I'm from Ottawa Canada, did i miss a video or did you just sell your demon 170?

Art Williams “Just Do It” speech is a classic ❤ I watch it and The Secret religiously

At least one of the other BIG 3 has produced vehicles with self-destructing engine control modules on a massive scale. As soon as the warranty period was up they stopped manufacturing replacements and there are no used specimens available at salvage yards because they fail at such an alarming rate.

You have to wonder if the new generation will even have any interest in performance cars . There a fewer and fewer younger people with the performance passion . I dont know if anyone has given that much thought . Alot of younger people dont even have an interest in aquiring a license . I think the worlds going to look much different in 10 years .

If a person had invested that $4000 back in 1969 and got an average 7% return, it would be worth about $165,000 today. After the government gets their hooks in it (taxes) then you're looking at about $80,000.

I got the 2023 Sublime Challenger R/T because I didn't want to overpay on insurance for a SCAT or Cat. I have the same enjoyment as if it were a HellCat because I don't go to the drag strip. If I do in the future, I will build it up and have fun adding power to the 5.7. I have not had it long enough to have any issues with it, and I hope it stays that way. Mine has most of the upgrades you can get, but I'm glad I got the 6 speed manual as it does add to the fun factor. The only thing I still may want to add is the Shaker. 😁😁

There is no such federal mandate that requires any manufacturer to continue parts build for any discontinued model. However manufacturers do build a projected amount of parts for discontinued models that supposed to be available for up to ten years. Whoever has said such things are utterly ridiculous.

UTG nailed it.

I've found Dodge parts supports quite well. I just finished restoring a 2000 Ram 1500 and got many of my parts direct from Dodge, including headlights, tail lights, door handles and more. That's after 24 years. Now...with Stellantis "in charge", who knows.

Cool. We were just in La Jolla yesterday as well. Always beautiful.

Great Honest Video Brad.

Keep up the great content OC! As the owner of an original 1970 Challenger R/T, I've been amused and a bit saddened watching your channel along with TK and Butter. Dodge seems to be in freefall and hopefully things turn around, possibly under new management. Stellantis seems like a lost cause. pshh.... 1970 was the first year of the Challenger.

How you not rich but you’ve got a lambo! Live in HB have a Demon Etc! Homie your rich 😂

OCMotivator Friend you guys are doing a great job by putting out the Truth !! So keep doing what you are doing because it's greatly appreciated 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪💪👍👍👍👍

On a related note. It rook me a month to find a brake master for 2008 Pathfinder. It was a 3 port vs a 4 port, and even the dealer was stumped. They make these vehicles like one offs. So good luck to yall with these new vehicles.

Hey Brad, did you sell your 170 as TK's garage stated? In any event, love your videos keep it up brother exclamation point

I wish an opposition car company would buy me a wide body just so I could video myself trashing it 😂

Went to Manhattan Beach last Thursday after spending 4 days in Big Bear and I really enjoyed it. My daughter especially lol

I’ll take the beautiful state of Florida and enjoy no commusnism.

Couldn't say it better. Sad dudes are so salty. Major salute

Well, I can’t vouch for other electric vehicles. I work at the Ford Dearborn Truck Plant, and believe it or not you can actually pull the battery out in about an hour and a half but don’t get me started on the motors. That’s the hard part.

Do you still have your Demon 170?

Would like to see more demon 170 content and you driving your car

I'm sure glad I bought a 2022 scatpack, I've had no issues & it's a hotrod, enough power for me to enjoy in my life time, & will be able to buy replacement parts, a win all around.

I wanted to point out a few things in your video to add. The first year for the E body was 1970 which was the first year for the Challenger and the first year for the new model Barracuda/’Cuda. The Barracuda started from a Valiant in 1964 and change a little each year until the pinnacle years of the E body. The first year 1970 Challenger was what the 2008-2014 Challenger was modeled after and the slightly changed 1971 was what the 2015-2023 Challenger was modeled after. The 70-71 are the most sought after due to the 426Hemi and 440 6 pack/barrel versions which were lower production than 3300. These will bring the most money in any type of sale even if not original most of the time. These were low production throughout the E body era of 70-74 no matter what the variant and were driven mostly but some were raced meaning some were wrecked and never seen again lower the amount left. You said it best OC Motivator, you could work on these and with normal everyday tools. These cars were really not any more expensive than other model cars and people didn’t pay mark ups, if anything they paid sticker or below sticker. The E body became popular because people wanted to relive their youth and said…I always wanted a 70 Challenger 440 6 pack or 1 71 hemi ‘Cuda, then supply and demand kicked in. You will even see clones of the sought after models bring some descent money as there are only so many originals left and were even produced to start with. Very few with super low miles unless they were drag cars or someone left it in the barn/garage for various reasons but not necessarily as a investment, more like can’t drive it now, too expensive to drive, etc.. I have been a Mopar fanatic and owner since my first car, a 74 ‘Cuda I bought at 15 in 1984. I have owned other brands along the way but have not left the Mopar family and currently have a stable full of Mopar only brand vehicles. I think that the Demon 170 was super awesome when it was being teased and first introduced even though the Demon was never to be made again but thought about getting rid of my Hellcat to get one. Then the dealers did there BS of ADM and lying saying it was an investment which started the tainting of the historic car. Then issues stared popping up, then another, then another. The last call series of Mopar branded vehicles have been tainted due to the issues brought out by poor quality and dealer ADM, and possibly false information across the board on various models. Did your financial adviser tell you that this was a good investment like a stock potential…thought so. If you want this to be an investment, look at how long it took for the 70 E bodies to become big money makers it was close to 20+ years before they really started to shine as big money cars. Maybe in 20 more years there will be some that want a 2023 demon 170 but 3300 of them might not bring the money like the 70 era E bodies did, there wasn’t that many of the higher end engine option made and or survived…supply and demand. There is almost always never a get rich quick scheme and if you are lucky to find one, you better be really quick.

Hi, new to your channel. I just bought a new 2023 Charger Scat Pack and was able to buy the 8/75 Maximum Care. So, I would expect they will keep parts to 2032.

I remember in 2006 to about 2009 when Dodge dropped those colorful Daytons and SRTs lots of people truly believed those cars would be worth so much more today. Probably some of those same people are the ones expecting the Demon 170s to appreciate in value significantly overtime, but I don’t see how when they paid huge markups on them.

I once bought a limited build Harley, 600 built then decided they should double it. Next yr Harley decided to make more changed color ect. My point is enjoy what you buy and if you paid too much for it that's not a good buisness decision

Hi I have found I bought 2021 needed front brake pads some of the auto parts store did not have them to new thay said

Great car legends are built on a legacy of consistent achievements over their initial warranty period. Whether that be drag racing or canyon running, or whatever. They just need to be iconic and productive. These Dodge vehicles are consistently unreliable to the extent that it’s amazing they make it down the road to Ralph’s and back without losing trim or blowing an engine. What a waste of the development engineering cycle.

Keep that Swinger Brad. It will eventually become your rest of your life enjoyment ride. Good choice 👍

What do you think about the 08’s?

How do I find a track only V10 Challenger. I would rather track one of those than the 170.

There are independent shops that do MORE than the dealer, like custom coding and even engine rebuilds.

Why do you keep saying you lost money on your Swinger? If it was purchased as transportation with the knowledge that it would depreciate as soon as you pulled off the lot, wouldn't it just be another car payment? If it's being paid for by KZfaq revenue and features as content couldnt it be written off as a business expense? I understand a regular person purchasing a last call car, then later having a financial hardship, having to sell the vehicle because the payment was too much to bear, the car owed more than it was worth being a financial loss. But if you're just buying the car, driving it and then a year later its depreciated as expected if the car was purchased at or below msrp, why is it any more of a loss than expected? Is your youtube model to buy the car, drive it a year, then sell it? I'm confused by people stating they lost their ass on a $50k car a year into payments.

There is no 1969 Challenger. You are correct in that the Demon 170 owners have overpaid for a nightmare vehicle.

you need to move ..hahhaah

Most of the biggest opportunities are viewed as trash by the majority. A 1970 Challenger RT with 6k miles sold at Mecum in October for $502,000. A dollar in 1970 would be about twelve dollars today, for reference but this cars MSRP was around $3K. That is a 167x return. If the same happened to a Demon170 (which is more spectacular in terms of records, achievements, etc. .) that has a $120k sticker, it would be $20,040,000. 54 years is a long time but it would still appreciate along the way and if even short of this, a massive return. Big returns don't come to those who want to double or triple their money. They come to those that want at least 10x and have the for foresight and patience to see what most don't. The latest Mecum sold 6 Demon 170s at an average sale price of $178k, more than 150% of MSRP in the very year they were delivered - with ample supply and being trash talked far and wide. That's already a record for returns in spite of the publicity. Then again, there has never been a car like it and probably never will be.

useually 7 years dealer parts may find new old stock still in their inventory still availabe before they sold to aftermarket

Also Brad back in the 60s and 70s these cars were not plentiful which makes them rare today, these 170s are everywhere now, if half off them disappeared off the road today maybe the prices may go up. Now with the stigma with the engine issues will stick for years to come

Damnit for a minute it sounds like your talking about Lincoln. Ok anyway. Yes good to see ya brad . Happy fourth of . ... Ahhahh ya baby .! Let's get some hay anybody got a alien wrench 😅😅😅

Just heard stellantis sent out emails to all of their dealerships...do not any markups on all of their vehicles ...lets see if anything happens

Hey Brad, i may have missed it but did you get rid of the Demon ?

69 Challenger? first year was 1970. And yes, your correct, anyone could work on my Challenger R/T 383's engine...no computers...And thats why I now own for that last 14 years, a 1966 Chevelle 454..no coomputers except an MSD box..

Great video but there isn’t a 1969 Challenger (began in 1970) ;)

Part of the problem is all these auction houses you see these old hemi cars going for a couple hundred thousand up to 1 million so that’s why these guys are betting on where they got it from and then Dodge told him they would

Plenty on e bay motors one dealer wants $299k

The brakes on the supra aren't bad. It has an electric parking brake on a caliper. You can manually unscrew it and the rest is a standard brake job.

🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 Great video Brad. 🔥

Besides the 'quality issues' FOMO and greed is the real issue here because as already been said everybody paid the future value to Dodge so aint nobody gonna get rich like they all thought.

Got a question Brad.. did I miss the video that you sold yer Demon 170?? Do you still have it... You dont talk much about it these days.. Just wondering

Did you get rid of your demon170?

Is that one of the beaches closed due to sewage from Mexico? Just saw they closed a lot of beaches in and around San Diego.

I still can’t understand why someone would pay MSRP for a 170 at this point but hey It is interesting for me to see his 🎪 show lol keep it up Brad

I've driven truck through all lower 48 and a lot of Canukistan and no doubt commiefornia is a beautiful statue but the politics are rotten to the core

not sure why a 170 had any hype when there just narrow body scatpacks with hulked up engine parts they duped u guys. i knew this all along. the engines parts dont co mingle why would that be flag-ship or top tier engine when hellephant has 1200 hp stock or 1500 stock lol at 1,025hp with govener weird that hellephants dont have all these engine issues. respect to TK, BUTTER, KNOCKOUT360, & OC M.

What happened to your D170 Brad? I miss something?

Do you still have your demon Brad?

Its memories of the past. The new cars will never have value because they do not drive them. There are no stories, no young people driving the to school. And there are just too damn few of them.

Full of great white sharks. I have neen to La Jolla. Its nice. But freak California. Its too wacko for me son.

EVs are not only inefficient, they are dangerous. Perhaps that's one reason why owners are dumpling their beloved EV and returning to gasoline and diesel vehicles.

OCMotivator, even Subaru makes engineering mistakes now and then. Take the 2.5-liter boxer engine Subaru has been making for many years. The TCV was made to replace a simple thermostat, they decided to copy the famous German brands. MrSubaru1387 says Subaru admitted their mistake and will cover repairs if it fails for 15 years or 150,000 miles. Dodge will never do that with the Demon170. It also helps that Toyota owns 30% of Subaru. Maybe a Japanese car company could buy Dodge for pennies on the dollar and save the brand? Probably not 😞

A ‘69 Chally??? Talk about a unicorn!! 🦄👊😎

2018 OG is 10 times the car the 170 is sadly. They dropped the ball with the 170

Didn’t you own one? Excited for your 170 experience upcoming story

None if these cars will EVER be classics. Nothing domestic from like the late 80s on will be. They just have too cheap of construction, and as they get newer too much computer tech that dates them and will be completely unserviceable in a few decades

Just do it...and do it... and do it....

Just park it in your garage till 2075 and maybe it will be worth something