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It's a great $960 printer. How did I come up with that number? My Ender 5 S1 upgrade list is: Sonic Pad/Klipper ($160) Replaced every single fan ($50) Modder Board ($40) PEI Sheet ($25) CHT Volcano nozzle ($25) +8 hrs installing upgrades and resetting tension on all wheels and belts To make it a great print will require at least $200 in parts and 8 hrs of labor. I think it a great project printer (if you want to spend a lot of time working on your printer) Out of the box it is an average printer at a high price. My full build can be done for little as $600 using less expensive vendors. Would have made more sense if creality shipped this with Klipper integration, basically combo a Sonic Pad into it for the same price.

I am looking at buying my first 3D printer, I am a complete noob & know nothing about the hobby. I come to KZfaq for recommendations & just end up completely overwhelmed by all the geek chat.

I bought one and a P1P. The s1 makes no sense in comparison. I sliced and printed a Voron cube on both. The 5 S1 was dimensionally inaccurate by ~1mm on all axis. The p1p was perfect within .05mm out of the box. At

Hopefully we'll have updated Marlin firmware for this machine soon, which will include Input Shaping to mitigate some of those artifacts. Of course, we can't do too much about worn out wheels, and the acceleration out of the box is definitely too high for the weight of the gantry. The UI is also pretty lacking, so hopefully we can improve that as well. Creality provided us with the full Marlin source for us to adapt, but it is altered specifically for this machine (and one other), so it's been a minor hassle to merge it into the root project. The PR in-progress is 25382 if you want to follow our testing and fixups. At the moment it might not run at all, as I was getting a reboot loop on my last attempt. But that should be sorted out soon, so keep an eye on the conversation on that PR.

Great review JJ! I do agree with everything you have said on this printer. Especially the price point it currently sits at. I will say however once Klipper has been installed on it and pressure advance and input shaping are configured, the ringing does go away. I can now pretty reliably print at 100-120 mm/s with 5000 accelleration. The biggest point to all of that is you shouldn't have to do any "mods" to the printer or the firmware to be able to reach those speeds out of the box at that price.

On the EU Creality Store the bundle for 3 S1 Pro with Sonic Pad and 5 S1 with Sonic Pad are almost the same price(like 10euros difference) I think in this case the Ender 5 S1 is the better choice right?

Have you tried the Sovol SV05? If so, what do you think of it? It’s less than 300, and it has auto bed leveling.

Can you get a K1 or K1 max for review ? Specwise it looks awesome. However, I wonder why there are basically no reviews anywhere …

Hi , in my country , the bambulab is double the price tag of this ,,if this was you case , would you still get the ender ?

Great review!

Great video! what's your favourite large format 3D printer

It looks kinda small on camera.

Buying a "returned, unrepaired" Ender 3 was a bargain at $69. Forget the rest of them. This one will do all that I need.

Regarding the advantages, you forgot to add that Ender all parts can be bought and replaced in case of failure. At Bambulab, you will have to buy a new printer in the event of a fault on the X,Y axes. And as another plus I see the possibility of upgrading by the user. Bambu lab does not allow this either. The older Ender design seems more robust to me.

So the eneder plus or k1? I have 500.00 budget.

You might be able to put some tape on that beeper to quiet it down. Maybe even a little hot glue

Why do you use the slicer to control the speed at 250 mm

this printer is on sale for 365 right now on amazon is it worth it at that price?

A great review JJ My finger was hovering over the buy button... You have changed my mind just in time. 👍 Now I'm thinking of spending more and getting a Prusa Mk4. Any thoughts on those?

Hi Compare this with Enders S1 Pro, which one is better in performance vs price ? I mean which one is more value for money ?

Thank you, I was seriously considering this machine along with the others, now it is out of the list.

Finally not a short! 😝

I bought one as my 6th printer, returned it, and splurged on a Bambu X1C. I absolutely made the right choice and will be selling a few of my other printers to add either a P1P or another X1. The Ender 5S1 just did not have the value for the money even though it was a big improvement over my original Ender 5.

There are Core-XY conversions for this printer, but with the extra cost, you're over the price of existing Core-XY machines that are better (P1P is a perfect example). The most heavily modded one I know of is Core-XY, Klipper, added enclosure, and changed the extruder and hotend... not something I would do, but he got the printer for free, has access to a cutter for the panels, and had most of the other parts laying around.

Bought this on preorder and paid under 500, bought the sonic pad and that was a big help.

i get u dont like the printer for the price, but if i got it for 340, would it be worth?

You are all wet on this one JJ! Yeah, I'm a noob and don't have a KZfaq channel with 100k followers, but my early experience with this printer has not been anything like you describe. First, this printer can be had for $450 (I paid $460 for it) now. I've even seen a sale price sub $400. When I purchased mine, they had at least 5 other printers running of different brands, ranging in price from $199 to over $1k. As far as the noise was concerned, it was quieter than the cheapest models and I could not detect it being noticeably noisier than the more expensive units. Since I've had it home, it's never made any of the sounds that you describe. I also don't understand your complaints about the build plate. You cannot see ANY evidence of previous prints on the surface. Given the variety of materials the all-metal hot-end can print, it seems like with the stock build plate that extra adhesion will come in handy. If you MUST have a PEI build plate, they are $40 full retail price. Then, let's get to the print quality. After the simple build and setup, and just one attempt at leveling before my first print, my Ender 5 S1 printed out a Benchy I would put up against any printer costing 2X as much. No artifacts. Zero stringing. Crisp, clear details. Layer lines you can feel but almost cannot see without magnification. IMO an excellent result for a noob like myself! Yes, it did take about 45 min. to print. For someone new to 3d printing, unless you are ready to spend $800+ to get started by purchasing a faster printer or modifying a cheaper one, then there is naturally going to be a tradeoff. As far as specs go, they are not bad. I was also considering an Ender 3 S1 Pro (just under $400 on sale) that is slower, w 10mm less build volume on the Z axis, and a larger minimum layer thickness. And honestly, I like the full frame design. Since I plan on eventually printing with other materials, this design makes an enclosure easier. Yes, I will admit the beep-touch function is annoying after a time. That is the only complaint you had that I can honestly say I agree with. I would say for someone just getting started in 3d printing, but wants some advanced features, and wants to print within an hour out of the box without endless tweaking, and without selling a kidney, THAT is the reason for the Ender 5 S1 'to exist'!

If you own this printer and use the version of Cura in came with, the first thing I think you should do is go into the start g-code for this printer and delete the line “G29”. If you don’t the printer will execute the auto-level function before every print. If you want it that way then don’t delete the line but I rarely have to re-level my printers after getting it right. That being said, I own the Ender 5 s1, I’ve had it for a few months now and though I agree it’s not worth the price, it has been a good printer for me thus far.

got my clone for $180 . bought a Micro Swiss NG and put on my linear rails from my old printer and its amazing. Last upgrade i might make is the core xy mod. Its worth it at the price its selling for now if anyone is reading this.

Lots of very pissed off S1 owners that cant get spare parts for this machine! who in their right mind releases a printer with non standard parts and then makes getting hold of replacment parts impossible? Another personal best from Creality, I would not touch any of their products with a shitty stick, and I used to be a Creality fan boy back in the original Ender 2 and CR-10 days.

I got the E5S1 because the P1P isnt available in South Africa. It is quicker than me E3V2 by quite a long way but it is FLIPPIN LOUD

Hey JJ, started off with a 5S1 at the start of the year but moved to bambulab a couple of months later and now this is gathering dust. Was wanting to repurpose it with Creality's laser module but can't find compatibility with the 5S1. Are you aware if it's possible or if there are any solid mods out there to make it work. Love the podcast. Cheers 😊

"I've been using this printer for a month" he says No complaints about bed auto leveling? But the beep noise is too loud?

Got one of these on flash sale so paid about 380 for it so im pretty happy with mine

This one and Ender-7 seems like flooding the market kind of printers. One store here in Sweden sells both of these printers for a major discount.

It looks like all the show and no go. I have Ender 5 which I bought for ~300USD and this S1 at a double price looks the same but with a direct extruder. I would rather see an upgraded bed surface than the touch screen (I hate touch screens) with annoying beep. Thank you for the honest review!

thanks you saved me some money I am just gonna get the ender 3 S1 Pro and save up for the bambu when I learn more about 3d Printing

After seeing this printer, and now that the K1 is released.... for 100$ more the amount of value you get out of the K1 compared to this is astonishing.

Mine doesn’t beep

I pre ordered the 5S1 which put it at that Ok price point (they were just under $500 on pre order). Problem is, the pre order machines are riddled with so many issues between the firmware problems and build quality in areas, that the lower price still wasn’t worth the headaches. When it works it’s great, but when it messes up it will leave you scratching your head.

I just came across a sale on Creality's website where they have the Ender 3 S1 and the Ender 5 S1 for about $20 difference (Just under $300 for the 3-S1 to $315 for the 5-S1)

This printer shines when used with the sonic pad. Anyone that owns this printer. Definitely upgrade to the creality sonic pad

Wow okay I was thinking about it but NO WAY now! Why on earth are they selling it!?!?!?

If you take the Sovol SV-05, you get almost the same printer, but it is almost $200 cheaper. The same motherboard and drivers, direct drive, etc.

I recently got this printer coming from one original ender 3. I got my mine for 400 USD, which i think is what it should stay at and since i love tinkering doing linear rails for the x and y will be fun. So in my opinion i think this is a great printer if you are coming from an older creality printer and u can pick this up for 400 it is well worht it. I have shaved nearly 20 hrs off of the prints so far compared to the ender 3 and i have had less than a week.

Doesn't make sense when you can get the K1 or the BL P1P for roughly the same price.

Great video, JJ, thank you. I was going to review this, but I think it's not worth the space on my shelves, so thanks for sparing me that. I did have a piece of feedback, but I don't know if you want it, ping me if so :)

I just picked one up on sale for $315

I had mine for about two months now and I am very satisfied with the results, but..... I did upgrade to a PEI bed after one of my prints lifted the coating on the original plate. The PEI plate has an amazing finish and if you let your print cool down, you can just pick it right off the plate. What I should say, though, is that I got it for about 490 USD (Converted from South African Rand) with 4 rolls of eSUN PLA+ filament on a promotion that a local supplier ran. I would say that, if I were to buy myself another printer I would probably buy the E3 S1 Pro because I will not spend the original price on this E5 S1. I think my next upgrade would be an enclosure to enable ABS printing, which is a big plus for this. So, yes, in my opinion if Creality want to keep it at this price point they should at least make the plexiglass enclosure standard, provide a PEI bed plate, some LED lighting and camera and upgrade the wheels to linear rails. All of these are upgrade that I will be doing in the long term which should take my cost up to the original price and then I would think this might be a good deal.

I think they listened i saw it its now going for 460 somewhere

I just got mine for 303 on amazon so it for sure is worth it at that price, I think I agree with you I do want a faster bigger one lol

Currently on sale for $355 on Amazon for black Friday fellas

I got one of these on Craigslist for 215$ and I basically put it in my car, brought it home, plugged it in, and started printing things, which as a long time 3D printing follower, but first time owner, made me very very happy. After watching this video, I'm not at all disappointed with my purchase, but I'm very very happy I didn't get it at a full price!! Seems like it has flaws compared to other printers in it's "weightclass". But again, for the pricepoint I got, a very very good starting printer.

I just picked one up for 325$ and no regrats

Just got one on sale from Creality for $325. Based on everything you had to say it sounds like I got a steal.

Got it for $300 at my job, pretty good deal

Creality themselves have made a lot of their product line obsolete, they love doing this

Maybe this is just their way of selling their parts inventory. It exists to exist.

I've found this printer for £369 in the UK today, which made it a bit of a bargain in my opinion.

I lucked out and grabbed my S1 from Micro Center for $175.00 But I've had my eye on the 5 S1 lately and its on sale for $389.00 🤔

I got it for 300 from the official website yesterday

Great video JJ. All points that show Creality is falling behind the standards in the industry.

Beep is the BIGGEST put off.. thank you for the video. consider an Sp-5 I guess

Apart from the hot end, I don't see any real difference in this from the original Ender 5, which was not as much of a difference over the Ender 3. The build volume, the motion system..... I really don't understand this printer. I did get an original Ender 5. In the original Ender 5 stock configuraion, it can print at 120mm/s with acceleration around 1750 and I can get decent prints with little ringing. Again, that was stock, with stock hot end, stock motion system, stock V channel wheels and Creality Marlin firmware. I don't see the S1 as being an upgrade of any kind, other than maybe having the Sprite extruder, and that is quesitonable as to whether it is an upgrade or not.

i just baught this recently luckaly i got it for 330

Just watching this to feel even more happy about going for the P1P. It's my first printer ever but oh my it's nice. Completely fire and forget and excellent results.

I have a Ender 3 neo and the extra space you need is annoying so I think the Ender 5 solved that, but tbh it was Creality way of chucking something together to combat the Bambu and well just doesn’t come close. It’s funny how Creality tries to copy Bambu, fails and then Bambu copy Creality and brings out a bed slinger and does that better. But simple fact is Creality is cheaper so they will always get business

Thank you for saving my time and money. I think for my first printer I may get the biqu b1 se plus from temu.... I am also interested in the creality k1 maybe... I want to do lithophanes and robotics

Recent price with sonic pad, $472

I got mine for 335 on Creality

Umm.. that Bowden tube is NOT really a "Bowden tube"... it's direct drive extruder so it's only using the tube to pull the filament through... it's irrelevant it can be pulled out easily as it's never going to happen and even if it does, there will be no damage, unlike the REAL Bowden tube extruder!

i have this printer and it blows, i think it just broke after like 4 months. also the worst firmware i've ever seen, totally damaged my print bed ramming it into the nozzle a bunch. unless things turn around i won't be buying another product from creality

I’ve been scammed by the advertising😢

The word "creality" means "crap" in Chinese. The more you know. 🌠

i got it for 180 :/

Cuz its bada$$

Not a review, just thoughts of a hater.

Everything Creality makes is junk

Terrble video quality