Exactly call ups are not caps for your country.

Like he's the only one in that situation. Get a grip.

@@GeoffHicks-zg7hs He actually is though. Who else did they do this to?

Maybe white is not good enough

​@@user-jd7hp7ce3lSo why is his name coming up? He was perfectly happy when his name wasn't coming up.

I think this is the crux of the issue.

And was picking Kalvin Phillips when he wasn't getting a game. Then drops him when he does

Maguires isn't that bad. Solid in the air and can pass just clumsy every now and then

​@jackshaw2701 but there are other players that can do that and are in form and do all other things better.

⁠@@jackshaw2701he doesn’t suit the modern day football, I mean being good on the ball, he also lacks pace when you need your defenders to play high line, he’s only comfortable with a low block.

Agreed, supreme professionalism

Protecting him like he’s a victim? 😂

@@Do27gghe is. People (England fans and rival club fans) have been abusing him on social media over this

Look the press and fans are going at him. so kudos to arsenal's press for trying to protect him but management team needs to ring on his behalf? How old is he? Why can't he ring Southgate himself. I don't think he should play for England again

@@KarltonFranz Ben white is the only famous person that has hate comments 😱 he’s obvs had a falling out with the coaching staff which also seems like it’s his fault as I’m sure if it was the coaching staff the other players would have downed tools. Most cringe player ever

Football is a team sport, RB is a tough spot to get in at the moment

Yeah i don’t rate Southgate at all but it’s not a lot to ask to turn up for your country

@@dteezle he is still better even as CB than Maguire

@@villetilus761 maybe but if you're not willing to be a team player then he shouldn't be called up again. Can't even ring Southgate himself. It's pathetic

⁠@@villetilus761 Yes but since he doesn’t play CB anymore he wouldn’t be in the side on merit over players like Stones, Tomori, Guehi, Branthwaite, Gomez, even Quansah. And he doesn’t get in the RB spot on merit either. So how is he being made into a victim? He isn’t starting because he’s never been good enough to start and so he’s throwing his toys out the pram, it’s as simple as that.

And who can blame him. Southgate is just a PR man and Holland is useless. Can't wait to see what this generational England talent can do under a proper coach.

Yeah he's decided not to play for England.

@@Geokinkladzeare you mentally handicapped?

He is a soulless oddball.

They amount to the same thing. You think anyone liked Capello? 🤣

Exactly.@@edmanning274

Exactly, and Southgate proved it by essentially throwing Ben under the bus with that interview, laying all the blame on Ben

Particularly when slab head is preferred to you in the starting lineup. Not many are focusing on the favoritism towards sub par players in England.

Steady bro

@@azeetaag Frederic

You play for your country not the manager. He's a coward.

Oh no the idiots are on the athletic now! Go back to football daily and talksport

It's not like Ben White is anywhere near the best at his job. Average at best

@@abstraqtphilosophy7357 no amount of tribalism can blind me enough to say ANY premier league footballer being "average at best" at their jobs. let alone a surefire starter that is rarely injured for the current LEADERS of the most competitive football league in the world. But you do you

@@maulannathis is so true You can NOT be an average footballer and be a regular for one of the best teams in Europe People forget what the word ‘average’ means

@@abstraqtphilosophy7357 if he is average on his job, i wonder someone like u can even handle washing dishes without complaining… highly doubt that

​@@alexl2070lmaoooo😂

Geez, when you put it that way with the coaches he's played under, Southgate looks like a championship manager at best. Oh wait, that's because he is.

When Chris Sutton refused a call up to England B team he was told he would never play for his country again. The disrespect to refuse an opportunity that others would kill for was seen to have crossed a line. I'm not saying that's right but it's not that wrong either.

@@edmann1820people need to understand that if a player doesn’t want to be selected, it’s their decision and it should be respected. It’s not the military either where you have to play for your country because it’s mandatory. I’m sure there’s a reason why Ben doesn’t want to go and we don’t really know….. yet. I don’t get the overreaction.

​@edmann1820 if he doesn't get selected again after this it's his own fault

​@@edmann1820disrespect works both ways @edman imagine how a player fields when players who are out of form for their clubs or not even playing are afforded a starting position ahead of others. His stance my not necessarily be for himself but for the general disrespect he feels for the manager overall and many of us agree. Why do you think most of the man utd fans are in arms over his rumoured appointment and it's not just based on his managerial skills or lack of it

@@TheHarlemShow01 after everything you have read @the harlem does he seem the type to be particularly bothered.? We can't jusge people by our own metrics. The guy is on record as saying he doesn't watch football he only plays it so if England won the euros he won't lose any sleep over it. So you remember Essou atoko at spurs..? He was similar and retired by 30

He should only be mentioned in tax dodging and bribe - bung taking blogs. He still has his place 😂

never forget him saying he had no interest in the Pompey job so I laid him only to be made manager 2 days later after a flood of money

His London accent and cockney demeanor sells.

Ben White doesn’t watch Football. He is not joining the camp to sit on bench and watch the team play.

​@@db10cruz31😂😂

How do you know be won’t be needed to come off the bench to protect a lead or replace an injured player? Could I borrow your crystal ball by any chance?

⁠@@searchterminatorseed2301it is part of his psyche. Southgate plays players on his own favorites rather than real merits. The fact he actually said all that about Ben’s form tells you volumes about Southgate’s preferences. If he mentioned his regret, and said Ben White would be starting under his current form, Ben White may change his stance. On form, Jordan Henderson shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad. Imagine balling the way Ben White does and needing to play second fiddle to Maguire.

You mean like most of the 25 man squad? Shame this fruit can’t behave like a man.

Exactly!

He's nowhere near top 3 Rb and the only reason he got this call up is because trippier is injured. Walker, Trippier and reece james are all clear of him and with Livramento coming through now who is already better than him he will be lucky to even make the bench.

Tripper is bang out of form, James is permanently injured and get your hand off it about it Livramento.

@@savage6131 Tripper is not ahead of him-Reece James in never fit.Maguire ahead of him is just a joke

White is easily first choice RB, ahead of Walker even now with the Saka link uo

Okay, but that Tim guy was predictably shallow: "Ben White will rue this for the rest of his life," shows he knows nothing about Ben White.

You mean u saw an arsenal fan and knew all he would do the whole time is suck your squad off. Ben White is shite and doesnt even make englands bench when all Right backs are fit. He should be honoured to even make the squad the cry baby bitch.

Tbf 20 years ago there wasn't this much social media.

Everythings "content" today 😊

Both relevant points and taken on board. Call me a biased Arsenal fan if you want, but I think Gareth Southgate really threw Ben White under the bus in the press conference. He knows exactly why White doesn’t want to play for England right now and the roll that Steve Holland played in it (and I stress, RIGHT NOW. He tweeted that getting his first cap was a dream come true and that he loved every minute of it), but he made out that White had just left him in the lurch and in the dark, and put everything on him. Southgate could have taken the first amendment route and said something along the lines of “I’ve picked who I think the best players are from who is available to me at this time, and I will not be commenting any further on team selection”, but no. He decided to make a point, because he feels disgruntled, and frankly, I think the way Ben White has been treated by Southgate/Holland, along with sections of fans and pundits is absolutely disgraceful. This is not the military or the army. Accepting a call-up is not mandatory or compulsory. You are not disrespecting your nation, or letting your country down, or committing a dereliction of duty by rejecting a call-up, as I have heard from certain sections. If we’re looking purely on form, Kyle Walker is still probably rightly first choice, but what are your options after that? Reece James is nearly always injured, Trent Alexander-Arnold is looking more and more like a No.8 by the week, Kieran Trippier is 34 this year and nowhere near the same form that he was in during the first half of the season, and Joe Gomez is not as comfortable playing full back as he is centre back. On form, and if he was available, Ben White should absolutely be in the England squad. I’ll leave you with this: I listened to the Arsenal Vision Post Match podcast on Monday, and Tim Stillman posed a very good question: in managerial terms, Marcelo Bielsa and Mikel Arteta can be understandably looked at and defined as psychopaths and obsessive, yet both of them were able to get a tune out of Ben White. Why can’t Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland? Maybe they’re not the man managers that they think they are.

Obviously Ben white stormed out of the World Cup and hasn’t returned since it’s so obvious something happened

​​@@jadmantoura4483EXACTLY. If White's commitment level is sufficient for Bielsa & Arteta (vastly superior and more intense coaches than Southgate) that obviously is not what is at issue between White and the SGate regime. I think White feels insulted by whatever happened between him and the staff. It also can't help that a shit coach in Southgate won't play him, meanwhile two coaches who are ten times more respected in Arteta & Bielsa clearly love him based on the fees they paud for him and how much playing time they gave him.

So football then?

He plays defensive football and Ben is a defender.Surely that would be great for his game?

Also Southgate has done something only one other manager has done for England in 60 years

@@brandonking2679 Called up Jordan Henderson

@@STT80 what’s your point ? He’s playing for Ajax in the Dutch league not Saudi

> one plays CB the other has played right back for over 2 years now > You can't even spell Maguire right and he's been in excellent form this season Probably shows why Southgate is the England manager over the likes of you tbh

new man utd manager??

​​@@shishsukeMaguire has been injured for a good part of this season, and Southgate has continually played Maguire when he has been out of form.

​@@shishsukeBen white is a multi tool Harry maguire is just a tool Ben white plays cd, CDM right back to take and inverted role with shots off his left foot Maguire can do none of these things

So despite Maguire not playing and being out of form he's the best central defender Which is still one of Ben whites multiple positions?​@@shishsuke

That’s every national team. National teams don’t get enough time training together to develop intricate complicated offenses. Teams win by being defensively sound, maximizing corners and free kicks and waiting for individual moments of brilliance. It’s been the recipe for decades.

@@SKa-tt9nmnational teams also win by selecting players from their best club teams and mirroring their style of play (Spain 2010 was basically Guardiola ball). A better coach than Southgate would build a team around City, Arsenal, Spurs (and to a lesser extent, Brighton) players and utilize tactics those players already know

Yet our under 18s and under 21s have been smashing goals in. It's only impossible because you don't believe it's possible ​@@SKa-tt9nm

@@brownistani Why would southgate change selections when its been working as it is. At the time a lot of spain players played in that barcelona side or had played at barcelona previously, and could easily peform that style of play. Southgate does already pick the best english players from City, Arsenal, Spurs, Brighton, but they all play different styles of play. Spurs especially. International management is about cohesion, creating a decent culture, and trying to build a team that knows each other. Southgate does that very well. Southgate has been given a very gifted group of players, but everyone of them plays in a different system.

Spurs and Brighton over Liverpool. Good lord you are deluded.@@brownistani

Roy Keane was absolutely correct by the way. The FAI were treating the administrative staff on the trip better than the actual players

if Maguire was at arsenal would he get a game...not a hope in hell

The mental gymnastics is unreal. It’s his job to do as he’s told just like anyone else.

@@steveo4991playing for England is not his job.

@@ItsAv3rageGamer Not anymore it isn’t.

@@steveo4991 it’s not his job full stop, arsenal pay his wages not England.

Great point, didn’t know that about Ben

the sheer exhaustion of having to socialize with peers you may be vaguely familiar or acquainted with, in a foreign place. We have all experienced feeling awkward in social situations, whether it be work/school/parties, and to have to be forced to do it for days/weeks on end and 24/7, sharing hotel rooms… it seems gruelling and exhausting. I, too, would rather stay home and not have to feel like im “on” all the time. AND combine it with ZERO playing time? The fraternizing atmosphere becomes exponentially more tiring and fake and displeasing.

@@sensibility1174 What other RW players do England have? I would argue Arsenal took the chance on Saka, as opposed to Southgate.

fall at the final hurdle ..again

he picked manoo based on nothing and many others

Spot on, didn’t Southgate basically lie in the press conference? And why did he choose to do it on the day Ben receives his new contract? It was an unpleasant thing to do and it he lied re the Steve Holland issue. Southgate is a poor poor coach and for someone who apparently brings people together. Southgate continues pick substandard players,his favourites and it’s a scandal. Ben is miles better than Maguire, imagine Stones alongside White!

@@Cafez27 the whole Steve Holland thing is murky, I think technically he didn’t lie because either A) It’s not just about any disagreement with Steve Holland and that’s just a contributing factor B) Arsenal/Ben haven’t fully revealed all the motivations behind why he doesn’t want to play It’s a tough one - I think like James said, Arsenal announced the contract to coincide with Southgate discussing selection. The fact that Edu has spoken to John McDermott suggested to me that there was some unofficial discussions around potentially selecting Ben for the long list. Arsenal have communicated in an official manner and England have responded in kind I agree though - Southgate has fucked this one up and where he fucks up the most ironically is with player integration which was one of his positives. It wasn’t so bad when we weren’t blessed with options, but now we are he’s struggled. If he was relying on favourites to execute a complex football ideology you could perhaps understand it. But I often feel it’s actually simple pragmatism that creates the dilemmas. We should be exploring what a midfield 3 of Rice, Bellingham and Foden looks like but we all know we’ll see Henderson next to Rice because he’s too pragmatic. Another manager would be looking defenders comfortable to step in next to Rice and England to play on the front foot. But he won’t

White is overated 😂

@@jameshall9654 hi there I agree with nearly all of this…. The Steve Holland thing isn’t murky in my mind we have the piece by Daniel Taylor and Jack Pitt-Brooke at the at the Athletic and highly credible source. They categorically report there was a row with Steve Holland in front of teammates. Southgate has denied their isn’t an issue between Ben and Steve, when there clearly is, as it was likely a contributing factor Ben leaving the WC as well as not featuring when lesser favourites were getting starts. Southgate has been disingenuous. I’m unsurprised the main stream media have gone for Ben rather than Gareth who is a truly awful coach. Thanks goodness for the new media!

And yet the other players that were there don’t have a problem. Solve that mystery 🤷‍♂️

Though, stop disrespecting Burley, Reading, Forrest and Luton 😂

prefer maquire...

I don't know who all these people are your talking about are. Myself and others I know realize Southgate has done the best job with England since we won the world Cup since 66. QF, SF and Final. We use to go out in the groups or first round of every tournament or not qualify at all. People don't realize how consistently shit we were, and now we're consistently challenging people aren't happy we don't win a cup competition every two years. Fucking delusional

Yes it was curtesy call to stop a call. Edu just actias his agent. Him calling Southgate directly would have been weird.

@@virupakshawalla5734 it would be very presumptuous

@@TheKh65 indeed. O'Neil saying he should have called etc. Its a nonsense. Its like honour list. They gey in touch first to save embarrassment of rejection. Ben wasn't called last time so wants them to know don't bother calling me for friendly at vital part of season to rest onevof your favourite players. Edu didn't call Southtwit directly. Its called back channel. You don't put that stuff out publicly. Southgate head is up his back passage. If they win Euros it will be despite him.

No he fell out with the manager along with the FAI. Keane was upset from the moment he got on the plane as the players were flying economy while the coaching and admin staff were in first class.

@@andrewbryce2707He left over his row with McCarthy, when McCarthy accused him of faking an injury.

I see what you did there. Truth.

Sterling would’ve been Crucified 100 times over

Yeah but they're playing. They're in the bubble as it were.

He deserves nothing, he gets paid well to do a good job. It’s the minimum

That was a clearly planted question

@@010101110100multiple right backs are injured. White is fit and in form. Why wouldn’t his omission be questioned

Will it? Maybe, but there are many footballers just like him