Never sign with a company that is run by another artist that is also active.

This usually happens when music CEOs are still trying to grow their own career. The reason other musician CEOs do well is because they focused on their artists being known as the best not themselves. Rain is just wanting extra income. Even JYP who is still making music doesn’t compete directly with his artists. He has comebacks as his original self, he’s not trying to impress the new generation.Rain is still doing varieties promoting himself like new, JYP promotes as a sunbae.

I’m a kpop fan and I don’t hate him but then again the only thing I know him for is WHEN I WAKE UP IN MA ROOM

y’all can’t understand how iconic mblaq were. they only had bops and their appeareances in variety shows was so funny lool infeel like a granny i miss them

Rain is like "I want y'all to be famous... but not more than me" to all his groups 💀 Also joining CUBE, who had BEAST mind you -- who was MBLAQ's rival back in 2009 was craaaaazy

This video is perfectly timed! I was at Kcon LA 2023 and I was so confused when RAIN got no love. There was very little cheering and dancing. Most people actually sat for his set. It wasn’t till after Kcon I found out that he was black waved. I was a big fan of MBLAQ but I had no idea they were under RAIN. I always wondered what happened to MBLAQ and this explains everything well. I respect RAIN as being an OG in the Kpop community and that he inspired many idols but I can see why everyone is upset with him.

The problem with Rain is that HE still wants to be famous. He cannot sit in the background and let his artists shine. He NEEDS to also be the FACE and be putting music out there. He cannot simply focus on the group but he is still focusing on making himself famous out there.

There is no hate to rain but more a disappointment. if you wanted to focus on your career don't make something when you know it's not going to last because of your needs. there is nothing wrong wanted to do things for yourself but putting people in your ways so you can be the center of attention is no.

This is exactly the same issue with the artists that Beyoncé is handling. As the other people said, never expect success when you are being managed by another artist.

A good artist doesnt mean one can be good at management of other especially in idol group. I feel so bad for Mblaq and all the other groups

i think this more like, he's really good as a performer and coach, but not in business.

I've known the members very well since Ciipher debuted and besides, what Rain did was just irresponsible.. I missed that, okay so he said "I should have bought a house instead of debuting Ciipher?" This is so disrespectful to the members, Rain is wrong and he's being punished. The members had worked hard and went through difficult paths, they had dreams. But Rain turned them all upside down.

i don't understand why veteran kpop idols who wants to start their own companies think they're automatically legible to be CEOs. Just because an idol has been in the industry for a long period of time does NOT mean you can run a company. It's all BUSINESS and FINANCE. A more legible person should be someone who knows how the system of the industry works and how to handle money. I think it'd be more fitting if they start out as DIRECTORS first, given their actual previous experience in the industry they would only be focusing on the image and the debuting idols since that is the kind of expertise they would prob have

Ciipher had so much potential. They produced their 1st album. But all are gone

A self-centered male idol only caring about himself? Shocking! 😂 To me it sounds like he would get jealous when the groups became popular and ignore them.

I don’t really support black ocean, but I hope that this was a wake up call for Rain. I got interested in Ciipher some time in early 2022 if I remember correctly. Mostly because of Keita, who I grew very fond of after watching yg treasure box after becoming a teume in early 2021. When I got interested in Ciipher, was around the same time Keita became my ult bias. But the lack of comebacks and promotions made me uninterested after awhile, and I really never became a fan, but more a casual listener of them. Then now when boys planet happened and Keita was one of the trainees there, it made me very sad, but also hopeful and happy that his incredible talent maybe wouldn’t go to waste. He was my top pick throughout the entirety of boys planet. And now he is getting to debut in EVNNE, with other trainees that didn’t make it in the final lineup of Zerobaseone. I couldn’t be more proud of him❤ It also looks like he might be the leader of EVNNE, which he definitely deserves with his experience in the industry and the many years he was a trainee❤ I also hope nothing but the best for the rest of the members in Ciipher and whatever their future endeavors might be❤

MBLAQ was my first ever group when I got into kpop, legends and one of the best, I'm so sad to hear about what they've been through, they have a lot of good music, even the last song they released "Mirror" was good, I don't know if Rain is to blame but we lost real talent

I don't think it's hate..we're just disappointed...he is a smart and talented guy but I don't think being a CEO for kpop group is his thing ..

I will never forgive Rain for abandoning MBLAQ... the only boy group I supported...

People should just realize that there are 100+ kpop group and only 1 or 2 of them are going to be internationally famous. Potential does not mean they are going to get a big break in the future.

I loved MBLAQ so much back then 🥺

Suga of BTS once implied he doesn't really want to produce a kpop group despite having all the requered attributes because he will be making decisions on someone, a teenagers' life. Rain should've thought twice before managing those idols because someone's whole career, life dream depended on it.

I knew this was going to happen when I found out Rain had created a new company and was going to manage a new boy group. Didn’t you learn from before?

People need to realise making a group is same as starting a business. Not everyone have guaranteed success. So I don’t really understand the hate train as so many groups especially in small companies failed in the past.

Ruining people's lives is not funny. If he wants to promote himself more and compete with his own talents he shouldn't sign artists. A CEO leaving for military is just ridiculous, he was too young. After his return he abandoned them and focus on himself because he wasn't stable, idols need to stay relevant. He simply shouldn't start his own company. I can foresee this happening to Kang Daniel's company in future years.

In my eyes, he just trying and then losing. That it. People ignore his all out effort and just blame him for everything. Why people not get a mirror and ask themself "do i try to stan this group? What i do for my idols?" None. People ignore them, forget them whrn they are exist but when they disband they blame agency. Not just rain but ALL AGENCY always being blamed by people, everytimes bad happend to the group. All of you forget agency is business??? I feel bad both for the group and rain. Forget me , i just know mblaq and not for the others

I always felt that the variety show where Cha Eun Woo watches Ciipher wasn’t a “joke” at all. CEW was really pissed at how they were treated. Rain deserves all the funky breath comments he gets.

Oh Gawd!😭. I kept wondering wht the hell happened to cipher? I kept sensing something was off, and found myself wondering if Rain was sabotaging them, I don’t even know y I thought that. they had so much potential. I Kept wondering cant I find anything on them. I was introduced to them on the show master in house, and loved them almost immediately. I feel especially sorry for Tan who has been through so much Already. He didn’t deserve this. I mean Rain’s a great guy. at least on the outside and even brought the group with him to diff shows like all kpop show and the rest. But something just felt and still feels off about the way the guys just fell off the grid. I’m sensing something off about Rain.

Rain was such a fox when he was younger. My god was that man gorgeous!!!!

Noone knows the real truth in these issues. I still like Rain

MBLAQ were my favorites and im still to this day disappointed in rain because he wasted such a talented group no one will ever become as talented as MBLAQ their music were unique thier mvs had story it was never boring to watch and they were variety shows legends i miss them and the old kpop so much

Rain needs to decide..Is he a performer OR Is he a Producer/Agent!! Fans WANT NEW TELENT TO CHEER ON!!🙃

Mblaq will forever be one of my fav groups of all times..😢 i miss them so much..the amazing songs, the hilarious personalities that all of them have that always make me smile especially when watching Hello Baby..🥹🥺 urghh i am still can't accept the fact that they were disbanded too early...😭 I am gonna listening to their songs now..while crying..😢

After i read some article about that black ocean thing, i try to search Rain Kcon stage performance and its not that bad. Some fans still singing Rain song. After that, i try to see how much people give like (not the views) at some Ciipher, Mblaq, TwoX MV and its just so-so. Yes they have some potential but did their fans can compete with others big fandom groups nowdays?

Rain doesnt really want his groups to be more popular than him...always been that way..jay park the only one who did it right while being active artist

I don’t even think he manages at all his probably just the face of the company The only thing I don’t like is him sending himself to kcon instead of his groups, I still respect him for his success as a actor/idol I feel like his just a handsome jyp

I don't hate him his still a good guy (for many), yet not good as a ceo/manager. He can't manage his own company on his own, he lost his focus and put his ambitions firsts. Maybe this is not his path, i feel bad for mblaq because they are legends who lost they're shine. And there's madtown who has a bigger potential to dominate the scene but sadly they missed manage. And lastly ciipher, i'm so sad for the boys. Hope they never give up they're dreams.

Rain is definitely a legend in the kpop industry and in acting. But even many legends of all fields have something that they're not good at and Rain is no exception. But even with things not working out for Rain in his management of his companies and artists Rain is still a great guy and a legend in my eyes.

I knew of Madtown and Ciipher, only a few songs, but still. I remember voting for I Like You when it debuted. I didn’t know they were gone🥲

I've known this for ages that rain was hated by most fans in the music industry but I can't point out the reason. Now I know it all. Lol. I've seen his performance in his old songs before but there is no cheer at all or fans just dead silent on him.

I love Rain!

Still a fan of Rain ❤ But honestly how many views did Ciiphers first mv had?? People don't appreciate new groups anymore and when there is a slight chance of blaming others then they start with their blame game... Despite blaming others at first watch their music videos and then talk

im SO mad for what happened to ciipher. he just wasted all their time and efforts. not to mention they're crazy talented, especially the main producers keita tag and won. so mad.

Rain is actually a villain here, he wants money and name, all those talents and career are gone because of him, I think these groups should have fought against rain And should sue him.

That is so sad for these talented kids wo worked their butt off to get where they are, only to be let down completely by their company.

So disappointed in Rain. He, out of all people, should know about the struggles as a trainee/raising star trying to make it in this harsh industry. I was there from Rain’s beginnings under JYP since the early 2000’s and I saw how hard he worked and the support he received under JYP helped propelled him in his career. SMH…i don’t know how, but I hope he bounces back from this…

I hope he stops debuting boy groups if he can’t handle or do something about it

Ciipher's entire discography is gold, not a single skippable song.

This sounds maybe like a Rain doesn't like to feel outshined kinda thing and age is not on his side now either!

To me Rain is a better performer than singer. His commanding presence, dancing, and style are what actually stand out. He needs to let the whisper singing go. He should have left on a respected high note. This is not how he wants his music career to end.

MBLAQ was my first K pop group. The way they were mistreated and neglected was painful to see.

I was at the K-Con concert and I thought that he got lots of love! He, of course did not get as much celebration as did Zerobasin( understandably because there were mostly younger people) I am not sure about was is or isn’t truth here…but I have video showing LOTS of love for Rain…be careful not to judge unless we know everything

i think the main cause of internal conflict between idol members is selfishness. working together as a team all the time isnt easy, but its impossible if theyre competing with their own teammates.

I love Rain. What the heck are you talking about ?!?!

I remember Rain playing a one character movie called Ninja Assassin.

Everyone is learning in this life!As life goes on, along the way, sometimes ego, innocent mistakes are plausible and unavoidable. Deep gossips, negative thoughts will ruin people. The stars are always the brightest light in the darkness, but they do not know what they're missing or need to improve, because all along they're the guiding stars. Wish Kookielit will become a helping channel to bridge goodwills! Best wishes for Rain! Success and a strong content heart to overcome all the tribulations!

MBLAQ was the group that got me into K-POP, I was so sad they didn't make it. 😭🤧

I love rain and all he does. ❤

Make a video on how kpop fans themselves are also villains 😂

rain should just stop producing and managing groups if hes going to get bored easily. he's a great celebrity but a terrible CEO, period.

I barely knew he was related to MBLAQ back then and tbh sort of started to resent him from the "UNIT" era and then again Cipher happened :/ I can't trust him with any group anymore

I think the commenters don't know about Ciipher. I've been a Ciipher fan since debut, there's nothing the man (Rain) didn't do. He brought his sons from competitions to competitions, even if we were wondering about the history of Cb, he tortured the members by ignoring our comments, you know. It left us wondering! We didn't even know if one of our members was alive?? Then suddenly 4 of our members left!! What are the idiots defending him going through? HE NEVER FULFILLED ITS RESPONSIBILITY! AND NOW WE CLUE'S WON'T FORGET HİM.

I'm kinda sad about what happened because he is the first person who made me into kpop 😢

This guy is just shady. Idk why he thought he could make a company, he can barely keep his career together. He’s like the Korean version of Diddy

I really loved mblaq! Still listening to their songs. I wonder what the guys doing now, any infos???

Yup..i understand this kind of scenario. I RememberED in what Suga said in his show that BTS likely to disband before bec. the company don't have money when they are starting

People who are saying rain wants money is not true because him and he wife has money look being a CEO and artist sometimes is hard he just needs better writers for his groups or see if the groups he signed can write music because I like some of his groups and still listen to their music he just needs a better team

He's a judge rn on Asia Super Young, a Chinese idol survival reality show.

Whatever he's done is very wrong but kpoppies do not need to deny the impact he's had on kpop. Back in the day he was really big and is one of the richest kpop artists too. And this is why he shouldn't have competed with the groups he managed cuz he was big already. They deserved attention and promotion.

He wanted to be JYP since rain came from JYP entertainment where you have popular idol groups and still fame yourself but it’s not working for him that way he needs to fully invest and step aside

I am a Kpop fan and I dont hate Rain. Much respect for him as a performer.

'Every kpop fan' doesn't hate Rain

Oh my precious mblaq 😔

I think the hate is well deserved. RAIN had a choice between promoting himself and promoting the group he managed, and he chose himself. Everyone knows unless you are apart of the big 3, becoming popular and STAYING popular is hard. It’s just disrespectful he didn’t do ANYTHING (no advertising, no solo activities, no strong online presence, etc.) with cypher while they were probably watching in grief as their careers faded.

He was going through the hardships before, why did he do that to these kids??? He really is selfish.

this is so stupid. seriously if u own a company, invest and selling products, but products didnt give profit u expected, will u still invest in it and keep losing profit? fan only see idol as idol, but company see them as product. it not easy to raise an idol group, but it more harder to maintain it. rain might be 1 of investor and manage them, but im sure there are alot of other investor involved. decision probably not by him alone. in the end, ppl just want someone to be blame off.

I love Rain 🥰 no matter what you say.

Saw clips of his performance and people were definitely cheering and singing along Just the haters keep pushing that no one cheered because it makes themfeel better for some odd reason

I'm not a Ciipher fan, more of a kpop fan that watches ton of variety and entertainment shows. One thing for sure, whenever there is Ciipher promoting their group, there will Rain tagging along.. Like bro I want to see these rookies being themselves in the show.. Not seeing you introducing them.

People needs to realize Rain is not management type because himself is entertainer. He doesn’t know how management works. If any artist starts to open they’re company you need to be careful because they might not know how to manage things correctly which they will sell and make profit for themself. They are not going to worry about other but themself. Rain is part of it too.

It’s not easy to be managed by idol

He should just step down as ceo if he still wants to be heavily active in the industry. Kpop has become so cutthroat that without a focused and passionate ceo, groups, even the company will fail

Rain left his company and thought the major share holder JYP would take care of them.wbile he was in the Army which is required. Sorrybut Rain screwed up, he should have got a management company and PR to handle the group and support them Rain should have taken care of them because he would get the backlash.

just started the video but seriously a song where MBLAQ basically say OH YEAH for 80% of the time is nothing I ever thought was the next DBSK , their songs eventually got better but still no masterpieces tbh

I love kpop and I love him! To each their own 😂😂😂😂

The lost potential of all these artists is what makes me disappointed!!!

Unfortunately, Rain is much older now than when he was at the height of his career. As such he needs to focus on his priorities as an older man with the Idol Status that is no longer relevant. In fact, he was featured in a Chinese idol contest to recruit new talent and I find that really insulting considering he's there flaunting his idol status that no longer exists.

This story reminds me so much of jyp😂

Well Rain should know that he had destroyed dreams of many young people under him trying to make it in the industry so the black ocean was well deserved. Don't do it again Rain.

I still remember when rain and kin tai hee doing a house interview, kim tai hee keeps poking her husband for fun then out of nowhere rain slap her hands so hard then remember theres camera , and touch the hand of kim tai hee and said he is just joking

Yeah I lively remember when Ciipher had before debut and ONF had comeback (and they were really on the succesful wave in that time), ONF was to appear on Weekly Idol show following their comeback. But because of Rain pulled some strings, the Ciipher had priority, even when they have not even debuted yet. ONF's was then on Weekly Idol like few weeks after their comeback.

He wanted to be his mentor JYP so bad but failed miserably

Rain shouldn't have dabbled into artist management. He should've stayed the way he was back then. He's greedy and irresponsible

5:49 Hyunbin was also a contestant on Fantasy Boys

I first heard of Rain when he stared at Speed Racer. Then I came upon to listen his music. He was a international global icon but movies like Ninja Assassin and The Prince bombed in the box office which limited his time in the US market. Remixing Gang revived his career. From JYP to R.A.I.N Company hasn’t worked out at all though despite he’s still the king of KPOP today ❤.

It’s a shame because I was really starting to like CHIIPHER

MBLAQ will always be one of my fave groups 😢😢😢 miss them and their chemistry together ❤ Rain is a great performer but it doesn’t look good how his company fumbled MBLAQ like that

I’ve heard that the crowd did him pretty damaged during his performance in KCON-LA. Now if there is any Boys group wants to sign their contracts with his agency, it would be a big challenge to make themselves a name, seems like he has a problem with managing his company and he still can’t let go of his past success as a K-pop idol. IMO he has to step back and only focusing on one thing. He just can’t fund himself to gain spot light by using income of these boys.

He's the *best* by far!!

Rain focus is on himself and money. He isn't a good ceo for boy bands. He should just manage himself. I have seen the way he promotes, he outshines ciipher. He needs to just buy properties