I need to CC this.

The Credit Car and the Casino Car. Match made in heaven indead...

It's Vika for me (stands for Visás Bika= Visa Bull in hungarian)

Or Cashbull

My brother in Christ. You are a genius.

Physical papers and people talking in person are ALOT harder to track and monitor than emails and phone calls between companies.

If you are gonna call out teams for complaining about other teams doing what they themselves have been acused of or found guilty of before, you can basically just call out every team on the grid.

@@DrDinoNuggies What would have stopped them from using email addresses, telephone or fax numbers in the past, that were unknown to the FIA?

@@PaDDy7389 Rar Archive, 20 character password, free file sharing service. Done lol

Can confirm, I was the wall in-between conference room A and B

This is hilarious 🤣 😆 😂 😄

Except for Mercedes. They will complain regardless.

That's F1 in a nutshell. The the zero sidepods merc was winning, everybody would have been teying to get it banned

😂😂

😝🤣😆

Ok, now that's a funny joke.

They did because they got a lot of parts from red bull at some point that made them change the rules for the first time

@@ElSascho The STR1 was literally the previous years Red Bull RB1, because that was allowed at the time. When the entered in 2006, they even managed to convince the FIA that they could keep using the V10 through some deal Minardi made before selling up, thus allowing them to use the previous year RB1.The STR2 used a current RB3 chassis, and the STR2 and STR3 were actually designed by Adrien Newey himself. The STR4 was also designed by Newey and was basically and RB5 with a 2008 Ferrari engine. From 2010 the rules were changed and STR had to design their own car.

they have never been a top 5 team though. finished 6th a couple times, but never top 5

Media needed a narrative for the winter.

Before the cost cap

Minardi

Alpha Tauri is also fine. It's not as good as Toro Rosso, but at least it's an actual identity...

​@@vasekkosar3931torro Rosso Rosso literally means red bull in English

@@Cruzblack781 Yes. So? What is your point?

I actually like "racing bulls". It's just sad that they decided to abbreviate it in the name.

"assuming they are indeed playing by the rules" They literally are.

​@@patteyh Yes, I know they are and there's nothing to say otherwise, however, do we know for 100% certainty that something isn't flying under the radar? There have been examples of bending rules before in F1 history so it's not outside the realms of possibility, just highly unlikely.

​@@Renard998as everyone else on the grid, we have to trust FIA judgement on this one. If they say it's okay, then it's okay

​@@thecompanioncube4211 Yes, the FIA say it's fine and there's nothing to suggest they are or will break the rules. I am in no way suggesting that RB/VCARB will do anything and I trust in the FIA. I was merely acknowledging the idea that, in a competitive sport where rules have been broken on many occasions before, you simply cannot rule out the possibility.

@@Renard998 agreed. we should have a big discussion AFTER the wrong doings have been found. That's all I am saying. I'll be the first guy to do so

it's moreso the design tbh

@@frickin_robin what do you mean by design? All aero parts must be made fully in house and is heavily regulated by the FIA The biggest jump for AT last year was the rear suspension, and HAAS uses Ferrari suspension

That might be true, but Haas being owned by different company, this in current era of cost caps and close performance can hurt them more than do good. As these parts are more expensive for them, than they are for their supplier Ferrari and their lack of infrastructure leading to buy other parts from Dallara makes them extremely cost inefficient. What looked like a good business model 10 years ago is the worst business model now, and probably main reason why they are last. Difference for second Red Bull team is the same owner, so they could buy parts from their first team cheap, thus saving money and being more cost efficient. Not mentioning other possible benefits of owning 2 teams. 20 years ago F1 was both about who spends the most and who spends efficiently, now it's mainly about the efficiency, with all teams basically having almost the same budgets. And also being closed group of team, with Andretti not being admitted to the sport, I see it as extremelly priviledged position for Red Bull to own 2 teams. With the trajectory F1 goes under Liberty media, I believe this is just a matter of time for this priviledge to cease and Red Bull will have to sell their second team. And I second that change, the sooner the better.

@@Adamos321 There are regulations around pricing of supplier parts. F1 has broken them down into listed team components (LTC), transferrable components (TRC), standard supply components (SSC) and open source components (OSC). Transferrable components are what Redbull is selling to VCARB. " The supplier must also provide their customer with all relevant financial information, with the financial regulations dictating the parts must be ascribed a “fair value” for cost cap accounting purposes. " There are also strictly enforced regulations about information sharing , windtunnel and cfd data sharing etc..The concerns if any are generally covered by regulations already in place

@@into_the_void Good to hear that, I did not have this knowledge. That makes it a fair bit fairer then. However I still view owning 2 teams in cap-budgeted and practically closed sport as a relic of the past which is overdue and unfair. And I would say the owner themselves may speed up the process of losing the second team adding to the controversy naming it so horribly/shamefully, so the change might not be that far enough.

apart from Horner, none of the teams have the same TP as they did in '05 so I'm not sure what your point is meant to be...

I doubt they thought it would last this long but also that something like this would ever happen

Completely different grid, genius.

​@@sukyamuffin that feels like a bit of a petty response to an interesting bit of history that I didn't know about. Having started watching at the end of 09, I had no idea that the reason Red Bull own two teams is because they were asked to.

It wasn’t the teams begging Red Bull it was FOM. Completely different owners back then making your point stupid.

Yep, small mistake in the video

That's where Daniel crashed to avoid hitting Piastri. He injured his hand. Not sure Liam replaced him in time. Certainly for the next few races though.

@@brian5030 He did, and finished 13th despite tricky conditions, ahead of Yuki in 15th.

He doesn't hold any stake in Williams anymore he sold his entire stake in 2016. Using wind tunnels is one thing and sharing the data from that wind tunnel run is another

@@ankithnair No, he only sold part of it. He still has about 5%

Yes but as a whole Williams and Mercedes are two different teams who want to win separately. Toto would prefer a Mercedes win over Williams and vice versa with Vowles. Red bull want only red bull to win

@@ruudkooijman819 10% of Ferrari shares are public, you can buy them if you like, do you think those 10% have any saying about the team? The 5 % are Susie's Wollf's shares, so his wife, not him... with 5% shares do you think Toto commands anything within Williams? No. Even if he wanted James Vowles would not allow it, not even Dorilton Capital. That 5% are irrelevant and gives more losses than gains for sure lool

Williams has a different owner who wants to win

They were thousands of km apart before. Now they SHARE A FREAKING BUILDING. Give your head a shake.

​@@Mountain-Man-3000and? FIA allowed it, so whats the matter if Its within the rules?

@@WhiteG60 suspensions like engines can be sold because it's legal , and even if it's not and vcarb does without getting a penalty that means others can too which makes it fair

@@Mountain-Man-3000 did you cry about Haas having offices in maranello or do you cry about redbull only ??

Not only that but where was the outcry when longtime Mercedes and Ferrari employees went to Williams and Haas, with the likelihood they were going to stay on payroll with those teams?

In a nutshell, you are correct. Meanwhile, Red Bull goes zero sidepod.

They can copy, there is a difference in copying and giving the rb19 to AT

Difference is other teams gave to look to copy, RedBull is accused of giving blueprints to ToroRosso

So everyone shows up with a RB19 copycat but sister team can’t 😂 Meanwhile RB takes Mercedes design that didn’t do 💩 Lewis cried about was trash and engineers need to listen to him and going to mop the floor with that new car❤ Lewis really going to cry this year

​@@chrismohler6621Aww look a crybaby here is your 🍼🍼🍼🍼

It's not about sharing, the problem is both teams are owned by Red Bull.

You are not an intelligent person.

Toto owns many drivers outside of the Mercedes team 😂​@@davidbrown8517

​@@davidbrown8517why is that a problem ?

​@@davidbrown8517And whats the problem if they can't share almost anything? Pink mercedes proved that you can copy even when you have different owner. So whats that bad about Red Bull having two teams?

I wouldn't be surprised if the sale rumours become true. Personally I'd like to see a Honda works team back in F1 but that probably won't happen.

Yes comparing apples and oranges. You know that Fred Vassuer is former which team principle

It's about the bigger teams helping or bringing knowledge too "their" smaller teams.@@ind-tamilgangsters1956

What a senseless coment, James Vowles wasn't appointed was contracted by Dorilton Capital that are the owners of Williams. Team principles change seats a lot of times, lately even more... And would be appointed by who? Does not make sense ex Alpine TP was in Aston Martin, Vasseur was in Alfa Romeo, Gunther has been in other teams before Haas, the 2024 Haaas principal was an engineer in Renault, and you know what? Adrian Newey once was CTO at Williams, what about that hein? crazy isn't 😉

If the rules are changed then Haas are in some deep deep s**t. Because their technical cooperation with Ferrari is much tighter and irreplaceable compared to Visa RBs.

@@reinier123 best strategy: being shit, so no-one complains about what you do

I think yes. Danny Ric entered until he got injured, and Lawson took over for the rest of the weekend.

But they are and not just redbull , everyone

@@ramezehab662 RedBull is still the parent company, there are not enough teams to have one entity owning two of them. It’s even worse considering other names are trying to enter the sport but it’s just my opinion on the matter tho

​@@ramezehab662 none of the other teams are owned by the same company other than redbull tho. They just have supplier-customer relationship which isn't Nearly the same as being owned by a single company. Are you dense or just talking out of your behind?

@@00aPPa00and what is the difference between two teams owned by the same company and two teams who have a supplier customer relationship ?

Cry harder 😂😂. Minardi is older than Mercedes and it was rescued by RB boss when nobody wanted that team. Fast forward 2024 everyone wants a piece of profit guaranteed but back in a day nobody put the money in. Typical American.

I dont necessarily agree with that, I mean most of the times hamilton and Verstappen drove through the back of the field that season as if they dont exist, when they had to. I personally always looked for that, but never got the feeling people tryed that quite that hard. It was more often tha case that drivers like especially alonso, the for personal resons favored a driver, had an Impact

It's not the FIA that is doing difficult about new teams entering. That's all on the current F1 teams...

I feel like that was a lot more egregious than rb "pulling a haas" and using more listed parts, just that this time it's with a dominant team. Pink mercedes 2.0

George in Williams did the same for Hamilton

@@ramezehab662 so? should be punished too, no excuse for that

@@Maton8587 team orders are legal , nothing to be punished for

​@@Maton8587no it shouldnt. Anyone can let anyone pass at any tine.

nah, 1 car/driver per team, 24 teams/cars/drivers with points for top 12. it becomes a much more entertaining sport with SIGNIFICANTLY better racing when there's no in-fighting or team orders to get in the way, plus more teams = more liveries, assuming ofc that Red Bull don't try and buy up half the slots

But you just don't design a listed component. Note that the FIA does provide the teams with a template that the teams are allowed to change. This is how Haas designed many of the components because you do very little design yourself. It is also why they usually go backwards as the season progresses. It is usually a process of little changes. Kind of writing a important letter where you change the wording and sentencing until the letter is perfect. Versioning keeps tracks of these changes and the FIA wants see those changes. That is how they were able to caught Aston Martin copying the brake ducts from Mercedes a few years back. They can also interview key personal of teams. Each change has a name associated, so they know which employee made which change. For example when I interview for a job opening I always ask what the applicant biggest problem was that (s)he was able to solve and why other solutions didn't work. Here's the thing, if you are part of the team that fixed an issue, you can most likely answer the first part, however it it less likely part of the thought process how you came to that solution, why other solutions didn't pan out. There are more ways to have get an indication how truthful an applicant is during an interview...

Yeah Zak brown agrees.

​@@kfkwAL7Zak is! Which is why he is complaining!

its Gall Mattagher from AF69

The fact that Alpha team will not fight or interfere with RB cars on track is enough advantage

I believe Haas use a lot more Ferrari parts than RB uses Red Bull parts too. The difference is that I suspect Zak isn’t concerned about them catching up.

Its REALYY NOT the same - they are spereate companies, separate facilities, separate owners

Its not a loophole... Its allowed

Mrecedes have 3 customer teams and two of them use a lot of Mercedes parts and ex personell and that's all fine too!

You mean just like the W15 of Mercedes of many components of the Aston Martin mid-season last year? IT was actually called the green Red Bull. People will copy the winner. It the best path to improve your performance. But just copy the overall design is not enough. You still have to understand how the full car design works together. Sometimes a little change can have a massive negative impact, while a major design change provide little improvement on the track...

Toto has also many signed drivers. Which would mean the same thing. If you want to be fair. They should also stop with the unfair treatment of non english drivers in the formula 1.

As @porchedriverful said, Bottas, George and Ocon all got on the grid signed by Toto Wolff, especially George and Bottas as Wolff himself placed them at Williams. Even Mick Schumacher and Charles Leclerc were both Ferrari drivers, who used their hold as pu suppliers to get them into haas and Sauber

Another f1 fan with sour grapes. Its been fine since 07/08. Its fine now

They had announced it a week back I think.