Why Falcon and the Winter Soldier Is NOT GREAT | Video Essay

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3 жыл бұрын

As the latest MCU Disney Plus series winds down, let's talk about why it's a disappointment. FilmSpeak brings you their video essay on Why Falcon and the Winter Soldier Is Not Great...
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is the second MCU tv show hitting Disney Plus. Continuing Phase 4 of the MCU, Falcon & the Winter Soldier see Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan reprise their roles as Sam Wilson aka The Falcon and Bucky Barnes aka The Winter Soldier as they navigate a world where Steve Rogers is no longer Captain America. Week after week the Falcon and the Winter Soldier has made attempts to address important sociopolitical issues only to do so halfheartedly which, in a series that prides itself on "taking a firm stance" on these issues, isn't great. Falcon and Winter soldier series had so much potential to do and say interesting things with their heroes but sadly, every time the opportunity presents itself, the new MCU show takes the easy way out. Want to know why the Falcon and the Winter Soldier is not great? Griffin (@griffschiller) breaks down the series and its shortcomings and disappointments in this Falcon and the Winter Soldier analysis and video essay. Enjoy Why Falcon and Winter Soldier Is Not Great!
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@FilmSpeak
@FilmSpeak 3 жыл бұрын
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@davidgeldner2167
@davidgeldner2167 3 жыл бұрын
I genuinely think you are wrong. I think it’s CRAZY good, and I really do think you are missing something if not many things. Literally can’t even understand why you’d say this. I thought it was a literal joke, buddy.
@National7575
@National7575 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t agree but I can see why you say so
@rupandutta5210
@rupandutta5210 3 жыл бұрын
2nd season of this show will be: Captain Bully and His Right Handed Wolf.
@gulliverthegullible6667
@gulliverthegullible6667 3 жыл бұрын
I think this show raised the right questions but gave the wrong answers. It was hopelessly naive.
@gulliverthegullible6667
@gulliverthegullible6667 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your points. The Flag Smashers were not portrayed well, just so they can appear as villains. This demand that the struggle of the oppressed has to be peaceful is hypocritical and paternalistic, especially when it comes from Sam, a member of US Air Force who often resorts to violence. It really gets naive in episode 6, when the politicians stop their nefarious plans because of Sam's speech. At least Sam acknowledges Karli's motivation as good. I had feared for worse. Sam and Bucky were indeed bland and their motivations hard to understsand. Karli is right, why does Sam believe in this Stars and Stripes bullshit? Sam has every reason to smash the flag. Sarah, Isaiah, Karli, and the cops should have shown him enough reasons to do so. Great video, I hope I will get more of that in the future. Thanks!
@ASummersetproduction
@ASummersetproduction 3 жыл бұрын
Skipping through the scene where Bucky confesses to the murder of Yuri's son is A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY like WTF building that moment, the raw emotion, and then we just get a little smoke from incense and it's done. LIKE WHAT.
@dyva9
@dyva9 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'm surprised they even showed that much. I thought it would be the 2 of them conversing in the distance, we can't hear what's being said, while a beautiful score is played.
@robtheservantof6257
@robtheservantof6257 3 жыл бұрын
@@dyva9 that would've been better tbh
@charlesnash1218
@charlesnash1218 3 жыл бұрын
I believe the that was the point.it shouldn’t matter if yuri forgave him.the goal was for Bucky to help give yuri and himself closure
@ASummersetproduction
@ASummersetproduction 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesnash1218 it's not that I expected forgiveness I wanted them to let the actors let the emotion out. I live by short and sweet writing but that was too short
@duanecardinez1826
@duanecardinez1826 3 жыл бұрын
While I agree, that it could have been more powerful, I don't think it was much of a conversation. Yuri, knowing that he couldn't do anything about it (and couldn't kill Bucky himself) probably heard enough and asked him to leave. From a human aspect, he probably couldn't even look Bucky in the eye anymore.
@truthseeker5079
@truthseeker5079 3 жыл бұрын
I think your point about Zemo about being an eat the rich guy in Civil War is a bit off. In Civil War he is portrayed as a military man who lost his family due to Avengers collateral damage. I never got the impression that Zemo was a working class citizen who didn't like wealth. I always just viewed Zemo as a man motivated by the loss of his family.
@chumuheha
@chumuheha 3 жыл бұрын
^exactly, he's always been kind of the "philosopher king" type of character to me. He clearly had a ton of resources in CW, and he's well-educated.
@hunterberry1508
@hunterberry1508 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. If anything, it helps explain things like how we got an EMP.
@magoo9279
@magoo9279 3 жыл бұрын
Agree.
@shaheerkhan341
@shaheerkhan341 3 жыл бұрын
I personally thought of him as a working-class citizen as I know many people did as well. I see where ur coming from, but him not having an absurd amount of wealth gave his character more depth, as he didn’t have power, or money or whatever. He simply had to utilize his intelligence, and he was a very down to earth character. By revealing that he was rich all along, you still empathize with him, but that relatability is sort of lost, and his feats seem less impressive.
@joehispanico
@joehispanico 3 жыл бұрын
@@shaheerkhan341 I mean, he did a lot of traveling, had some pretty expensive gear, had a fake face that was good enough to fool people into thinking he was Bucky. His plan wasn’t all that cheap. No way a working class man could save up that much money in such a short time. Hell, I have a pretty high paying job, well above working class and would not be able to pull off just the traveling portion of his plans. Showing he has resources makes way more sense.
@ap8714
@ap8714 3 жыл бұрын
I think the big problem is that they didn’t commit fully to any storyline or theme.
@marksotnikov5587
@marksotnikov5587 3 жыл бұрын
I have heard that there was a virus subplot cut out for obvious reasons. So they had to do reshoots so the flagsmashers goals where messed up and had to be changed last second. Evidence of this is the fact that they are steeling vaccine's in the second episode. The lady that dies in the makeshift hospital in the camp is played by a good actress so she probably had a larger role. the show was delayed although this could just be because they couldn't travel due to covid-19 and so couldn't finish filming. All this plus the fact that there is an insane amount of reaction shots so the dialogue could have just been changed and we wouldn't know because we don't see the person taking shows that this plot could have existed and had to be cutout leading to such a loose storyline.
@vishnuldivakaran8034
@vishnuldivakaran8034 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely true. Let's look at few half cooked subplots or themes they gave a cursory touch to. 1)buckys redemption 2)zemo 3) perspective of a freedom fighter vs terrorist 4)racism in usa 5) power broker thing 6) Intro of US agent It was a bland exercise.👎
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah they did, that it’s complicated so yes people with power need to do better listening, but that doesn’t excuse being a radical terrorist and killing people
@Amir-qz4bn
@Amir-qz4bn 3 жыл бұрын
@@vishnuldivakaran8034 This series was mainly to set up for phase 4. Captain America 4 and Thunderbolts are going to be the product of this, and this is what most people don’t get at all
@gpaderx6105
@gpaderx6105 3 жыл бұрын
most of the scenes was cut and it was re written and reshot for new plot lines that we saw. Due to the original plot having a Pandemic plotline in the story which was very very similar to our CoViD-19 Pandemic, so it was cut out to avoid issues. The og storyline was more likely to have a story of group or country (maybe Madripoor) releasing the virus as a biochemical weapon to kill people. Please watch this New Rockstars video explaining all of it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jM57fKR5pqirkZc.html even if it's a rumor, maybe it's true
@thewannabemartialartist4613
@thewannabemartialartist4613 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing Clarence clean up his act and give up his dream of being the best rapper to fighting for human kind is so inspiring
@Zo_Ball_out
@Zo_Ball_out 3 жыл бұрын
LOOOL
@abhijiththampi
@abhijiththampi 3 жыл бұрын
His parents had a real good marriage.
@hankpanganiban2929
@hankpanganiban2929 3 жыл бұрын
He went to a private school
@aaronblake1467
@aaronblake1467 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, a stupid comment can only come from a stupid source. I wounder if you would make this statement around black people. Doubt it , keep it on social media.
@miguelaxe2001
@miguelaxe2001 3 жыл бұрын
R/wooosh
@michaelajames99
@michaelajames99 3 жыл бұрын
It should have been more than six episodes. There wasn't enough time to truly explore the characters
@shakeemdiggz2354
@shakeemdiggz2354 3 жыл бұрын
New age fan's can't handle 10 or 14 episodes. They start complaining that it's tooooo looooong
@josephmurray6187
@josephmurray6187 3 жыл бұрын
Dude there was nearly 6 hours of content
@IAmMightyMike
@IAmMightyMike 3 жыл бұрын
There was plenty except for Karli.
@ChillDude1313
@ChillDude1313 3 жыл бұрын
They cut 2 episodes 😑
@roguescorner9042
@roguescorner9042 3 жыл бұрын
But they did explore the characters. Thoroughly. Except maybe Karli and Sharon, but that's it.
@Chickeneas
@Chickeneas 3 жыл бұрын
The thing I agree with the most is there’s too much going on in the show, it feels like instead of diving deeper and explaining more of a plotline it just introduces another plot to keep you distracted
@chumuheha
@chumuheha 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with that, they should've cut the flag smashers entirely and focused the show around Sam, Bucky, and John Walker. The show is clearly about the legacy of Captain America and the country he represents, the whole flag smasher thing unnecessarily takes us out of that setting.
@andrewramero4560
@andrewramero4560 3 жыл бұрын
@2freeIvX it could have been trying to find the power broker. Then a crazy turn of events is when they find out Carter is the power broker
@adrianpena2748
@adrianpena2748 3 жыл бұрын
I am starting to think this is being done on purpose to make more movies, shows, and other properties. maybe the cynic in me, but it seems the MCU may be taking the whole interconnectedness a bit too far
@GregsOrios
@GregsOrios 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I didnt have a problem with what what happening or how much but I understand it. I feel like if they were giving 2 seasons instead of one or simply more episodes everything could have been deeper
@bangeranginretroman3064
@bangeranginretroman3064 3 жыл бұрын
@2freeIvX have the antagonist be Walker. I feel the netflix Daredevil did a single antagonist across the whole show well, as with Punisher and Bullseye. Applying that to Walker and really diving deeper wouldve been so great
@noobmasterruben5167
@noobmasterruben5167 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Karli had a terrible script or they shouldve shown her a full flashback than just telling us about her motivations. I think the flag smashers’ plot couldve been better
@gulliverthegullible6667
@gulliverthegullible6667 3 жыл бұрын
It helps a lot to have a background in radical leftist activism to understand the Flag Smashers. I feel they should have been written better, but they are the only heroes in the MCU I can really identify with.
@tonyruby4467
@tonyruby4467 3 жыл бұрын
They had a better story for her but was cut due to the story mirroring the pandemic. They wanted to shy away from the topic.
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 3 жыл бұрын
@@gulliverthegullible6667 “heroes” XD
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 3 жыл бұрын
@Abigail Webb they were going to try and start a pandemic to wipe out half the population again. Can’t imagine why it got cut
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 3 жыл бұрын
@Abigail Webb she’s a tragic villain, but yes a lot of their development got cut because their big plan was going to be start a pandemic to recreate the Thanos effect
@marygoodrich7846
@marygoodrich7846 3 жыл бұрын
Since episode 1, I was ready to sob at the moment Bucky would tell yori about his son. And then all we got from Yori’s reaction was “what?”. If Bucky was supposed to be of service to people and make Yori feel better, why didn’t we see his reaction at all? I wanted to know if he would be ok :( I hope there’s a longer scene out there
@damirzlatkic8134
@damirzlatkic8134 3 жыл бұрын
I feel you dude 😒
@ian2182
@ian2182 3 жыл бұрын
More people need to talk about this, I was soooo looking forward to that, but...
@thomasrockbottom2907
@thomasrockbottom2907 2 жыл бұрын
Sob ??? Are u a kid??? That scene didn't have any emotion whatsoever
@Somebody-pq1jq
@Somebody-pq1jq 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasrockbottom2907 You clearly misunderstood the comment
@JesseGolo
@JesseGolo 3 жыл бұрын
"Why the hell would Sam feel that way?" Probably the innocent people she burned to death.
@mjb2697
@mjb2697 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. This video is a joke and is politically motivated. Karly is a murderer, not a revolutionary.
@quietresolution4772
@quietresolution4772 3 жыл бұрын
This video is terrible.
@simarimana
@simarimana 3 жыл бұрын
I think what he’s trying to say is that it didn’t make sense for her to transition from a morally upstanding character to a straight up murderer. It looks like they did this because they didn’t want to properly address her motivations, so they vilified her to make it easier for the audience to hate her, and accept that Sam isn’t on board. Sam’s feelings make sense, but the reason why Karli is the way she is doesn’t.
@JesseGolo
@JesseGolo 3 жыл бұрын
@@simarimana But there wasn't a transition. From her first scene, she was ready to kill to Sam and Bucky. And she almost killed Lamar and John. I feel like people like Karli because her motivation is something we expect to be sympathetic, so they don't look at the fact that almost every action she actually takes paints her as extremely homicidal.
@simarimana
@simarimana 3 жыл бұрын
@@JesseGolo Good point, I guess I just excused that first fight because everyone in the MCU looks like they’re trying to kill each other to me. Idk, Karli should’ve been much more than a murderer to me. I’ll admit that I never liked her character. They could’ve done so much more rather than have her be a hypocrite.
@AhmadAli-uk3sh
@AhmadAli-uk3sh 3 жыл бұрын
My main problem with the show among other ones was that it introduces ideas and doesn't rlly explore it further
@nameisamine
@nameisamine 3 жыл бұрын
It drives me CRAZY! They drop these gems and I was excited to see them explore/develop but it barely happens 🙄
@tkm1875
@tkm1875 3 жыл бұрын
Like? The MCU doesn't have to answer questions immediately. They do that to revisit later when you least expect it.
@Jake-vg2oq
@Jake-vg2oq 3 жыл бұрын
Wandavision had the same problem too
@tkm1875
@tkm1875 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jake-vg2oq If you're referring to the "Mephisto" thing, then that was no one's fault besides overzealous fans overzealously fan theorizing, lol.
@jjstarrprod
@jjstarrprod 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if the show would have been better off having 2 or 3 more episodes to really let these storylines breathe and expand organically, instead of just checking boxes and then NEXT ! Moving on ! Bucky's last dialogue with Iori felt like a good illustration of the entire show : it's there, but it could/should have been so much more !
@johnprice2012
@johnprice2012 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing I REALLY dislike is the winter soldier’s arc ending. I would’ve really loved a longer scene w Mr. Nakishma
@GregsOrios
@GregsOrios 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I wish we got more with that.
@liammcguire1954
@liammcguire1954 3 жыл бұрын
Winter soldier just feels so underused in the show as he talks about his feelings, runs into the wakandans and zemo, and that’s it. He didn’t get nearly as much development like Falcon
@brianm3160
@brianm3160 3 жыл бұрын
Yessssss
@GoldenRayLight
@GoldenRayLight 3 жыл бұрын
@@liammcguire1954 Bucky was sidelined in his own show. Barely got any spot light even though he's supposed to be co-starring. The only scenes Bucky really shined in were the flashback scenes. That's it. Even hiss who amending sub-plot was rushed in the end. A bloody boat got more attention than his own side story.
@AnimatedASMR
@AnimatedASMR 3 жыл бұрын
Having the series spaced out over 6 weeks really allowed me to kind of forget all of the inconsistencies.
@mistercat5300
@mistercat5300 3 жыл бұрын
Not everyone has short term memory tho. Many people like me can easily remember movies and shows.
@pawaratharva6371
@pawaratharva6371 3 жыл бұрын
@@mistercat5300 yea that's true. Lmao
@skylertremblay3395
@skylertremblay3395 3 жыл бұрын
bucky kinda forgot hes supposed to be good at stealth and fighting
@BigSleepyOx
@BigSleepyOx 3 жыл бұрын
The comics themselves are full of "inconsistencies".
@skylertremblay3395
@skylertremblay3395 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigSleepyOx and? does that prevent the show from not being inconsistent
@dodaprettygirlrock
@dodaprettygirlrock 3 жыл бұрын
I think it needed to World build more. Like they alluded to the struggles of those who stayed behind after the blip but we didn’t see. Maybe flashbacks or showing the hardships more. I just didn’t care about Karli’s death like I feel like I was supposed to
@JD-bp4hq
@JD-bp4hq 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like an empathy issue
@EVERYDAY_MATTERS
@EVERYDAY_MATTERS 3 жыл бұрын
@@JD-bp4hq she was annoying
@yaboylion9244
@yaboylion9244 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t feel like we were supposed to in a way. Karli I think was supposed to represent the screwed over people that the government screwed over after the blip much like how John walker is a product of the us governments negligence on taking care of vets. Like Sam said the governments of the world need to do something or they are gonna get another karli and that person may be worse
@roguescorner9042
@roguescorner9042 3 жыл бұрын
@@EVERYDAY_MATTERS I agree. This might've not been the case, but the series did feel like they wanted us to empathise with her, like how we did with Thanos. Both have ideals that one way or another will benefit a large amount of people. We understand why they're doing the things they do, why the believe the things they belive. And both do incredibly heinous and cruel stuff for those ideals. But in Infinity War, we constantly see that Thanos is not a monster. He's incredibly twisted, but he still has feelings, and comes off as a formidable opponent we, the audience, can come to respect. We can empathise somewhat with Karli's struggles and ideals, but most times she just comes off as an annoying and one-sided villain. An angry teenager that THINKS she knows what she has to do, compared to a formidable titan who KNOWS what he has to do. Karli wanted her people to receive better treatment, ignoring the fact that a lot of people (both the ones who got bleeped and the ones who stayed) are all suffering just the same. It comes off as selfish, in a way. Meanwhile, Thanos was willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING if it meant the entire universe would survive. Everything he did wasn't for him or his people, it was for everyone.
@EVERYDAY_MATTERS
@EVERYDAY_MATTERS 3 жыл бұрын
@@roguescorner9042 idk it’s just a show
@getmeouttahere1209
@getmeouttahere1209 3 жыл бұрын
My problem with this show is that there isn't enough Bucky for a show that he's one of the title roles.... this show has like 5 main characters and they never juggle the screen time properly...
@emilyfan3564
@emilyfan3564 3 жыл бұрын
@Hap Hapablap Yes, it was quite disrespectful of Marvel, first they make Steve's whole storyline based around saving bucky, then suddenly Steve doesn't care about him anymore and just leaves him all alone in an unfamiliar world, then they sideline him in HIS tv show and cause him more pain 😥 #Better4Bucky2021
@melvinkookiecruise3888
@melvinkookiecruise3888 3 жыл бұрын
Well in Marvel's defense, I think that was the point (not fully sure about it but still it's possible) considering it's called the Marvel Cinematic Universe, either that or because alot of things had to be reshoot, re-edited and stuff thanks to Covid-19 being a bitch, and plus come on guys this is show that only has 6 episodes that take place in a gigantic universe, I think we should have all expected issues and some storylines not being fully executed and let's all be honest here, if it wasn't for Covid causing most of cinema's issues these shows either wouldn't have existed at all or would have definitely been better and hell maybe even last longer
@RM-cn8pw
@RM-cn8pw 3 жыл бұрын
So your biggest problem is one you’ve pulled from your ass.
@StarlitSeafoam
@StarlitSeafoam Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'd agree. Even the moments Bucky DID get were under used (same for a lot of the characters, really). Bucky having to pretend to be Winter Soldier, again, fully under Zemo's control? That should have been majorly PTSD inducing but all we got was a "you good?" from Sam that Bucky brushed off (understandably, given their lives depended on not breaking character), and nothing came of it later. I would have expected at least a minor panic attack once they were back at their safehouse. Especially with the way Zemo treated him when "selling" him to that crime boss. Dealing with the fallout could have been a fantastic moment of characterization for both Sam and Bucky, not to mention deepening their growing friendship. We could have seen Sam being a counselor, and using his experience with PTSD to help Bucky, and we could have actually explored more of Bucky's fear that "if Steve was wrong about you, he was wrong about me". There is a frustrating amount of set up with no payoff in this show.
@dylansharp8471
@dylansharp8471 Жыл бұрын
@@emilyfan3564 "first they make Steve's whole storyline based around saving bucky" No it wasn't. "then suddenly Steve doesn't care about him anymore and just leaves him all alone in an unfamiliar world" Wrong again. "then they sideline him in HIS tv show and cause him more pain" I'll see about that.
@noobmasterruben5167
@noobmasterruben5167 3 жыл бұрын
I really hate that Wandavision and TFATWS both had a rushed finale
@NoNamex1412
@NoNamex1412 3 жыл бұрын
At least TFATWS didn't have a boner joke. And TFATWS was more intense than Wanda vision Edit: TFATWS had better fight scenes than Wanda vision since y'all didn't like it being intense
@adityanarayanrai7689
@adityanarayanrai7689 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoNamex1412 how in the world can you say that. there was no villain at all in falcon & ws. half of show was fixing boat taking loan and yeah stupid therapy
@owenbunny4023
@owenbunny4023 3 жыл бұрын
the entire WFATWs was rushed to a degree...............the flagsmasher had barely any characters left. Zemo line was rushed too. to me, the only good thing about TFATWS is john walker
@leo_omega3736
@leo_omega3736 3 жыл бұрын
Wandavision needed less episodes and tfatws needed a lot more
@Mr.BluePants
@Mr.BluePants 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoNamex1412 Intense? It just had more mindless action. TFATWS still has no style, it feels like default basic Marvel, the action was basic and not very memorable, the story was poorly written in more than half the episodes, the villains were the worst of the MCU so far and the show got preachy as hell in ways that made 0 sense. It had some good stuff and I'm not excusing the shitty Bohner joke from Wandavision either, but at least that show's writing was mostly consistent and it had a style of its own visually and story wise. Makes me sad that these shows are basically replacing Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Punisher... those shows were miles better than this mediocre show.
@pradyunmanoj6716
@pradyunmanoj6716 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the show personally speaking, but I get ur pov.
@quanashiab.9620
@quanashiab.9620 3 жыл бұрын
Me to just the finale and ep 3 nop.
@tinyissmall
@tinyissmall 3 жыл бұрын
I mean this the same guy that said Godzilla vs Kong was awesome
@quanashiab.9620
@quanashiab.9620 3 жыл бұрын
@@tinyissmall ikr
@truthseeker5079
@truthseeker5079 3 жыл бұрын
I think the show is choosing a side. I think Sam clearly understands Karli and her motives. That's why Sam tells her he agrees with her fight he just doesn't want to bomb buildings to do it. Sam is the perfect man to be Cap because he can see other perspectives and filter them through his morality, and deal with them from a place of understanding.
@freegx1
@freegx1 3 жыл бұрын
As a person of color in America, I disagree with what you are saying to a point. The show chose American propagandas side, but not the complete truth. Sam for me seems like white Americas poster child of how they want to see us, or for us to be. Like Obama. He ain't us. I advice you to watch Kimberly Latrice Jones BLM Video Speech! The show failed the flag smashers ideology and story telling in order to have a villain. If you watch that video of Kimberly, it shows a missed opportunity to present a perspective that would have helped this show greatly. When a government has failed you in the worst way, when you are being oppressed in the worst way, when there is no liberty or hope, there is no justice then there can be no peace. The set up of the show failed to communicate this so you have villains that are garbage. Sam is a perfect white mans hero at this time, not for us poc. Maybe that'll change in episode 6, but they wasted so much time already, I don't believe they have enough time to fix what they missed or got wrong early on.
@truthseeker5079
@truthseeker5079 3 жыл бұрын
@@freegx1 I think that's what Isaiah Bradley is there for. He served as the harsh truth of the black experience in America. I think what the show is trying to say is that despite the brutal history and reality of this nation, black people should still strive to be excellent and show America that they can rise above all the hate and discrimination thrown at them as a people.
@truthseeker5079
@truthseeker5079 3 жыл бұрын
@@freegx1 Sam even says he doesn't blame Isaiah for feeling the way he feels. I think what the show is trying to say is that black people should be allowed to feel they way they want to, but it shouldn't stop them from trying to achieve greatness.
@freegx1
@freegx1 3 жыл бұрын
@@truthseeker5079 Did u say Rise ABOVE? WTF does that mean? We don't need to RISE above shit! America needs to change and WE will do what we HAVE to, which looks different for all of us, but our choice none the less. I find your analysis of the plight and responsibility of poc to be insulting and condescending. The idea of becoming Captain America, white Americas hero archetype and serve a country that doesn't serve us and call that excellence or greatness is offensive and laughable. Yeah, Isaigah represented Americas shame, and laid down some major truth, but it didn't serve Sam very well, or go further than it could have to the current systemic concerns that continue today. Sam's words of things are better now are true but hollow. Especially when u see so many poc dying on camera and not receiving complete justice in a shift in law, policy and true equality and representation of, other than what white ppl understand and are comfortable with. The fact that is lost on u is proof of failure of what this show didn't achieve. U are exabit A.
@freegx1
@freegx1 3 жыл бұрын
@@truthseeker5079 We don't need permission to feel, and we certainly don't have to have a play book on what we need to be doing and how to do it. It's not about feelings, it's about truth, facts, and what it is. Period!
@youmadornahhh
@youmadornahhh 3 жыл бұрын
Things being “better during the blip” refers to everyone’s borders being open, everyone taking care of everyone, etc.
@spaceknowmad9156
@spaceknowmad9156 3 жыл бұрын
Lmaooooo you're advocating for mass genocide.
@wolflordbradley7353
@wolflordbradley7353 3 жыл бұрын
The world had been pared down to deal with the new pop sure. But the Flag Smashers were just a group of thieves. What did they ever do other than talk ( in what they thought was a rousing ideological manner) steal and fight?
@marksotnikov5587
@marksotnikov5587 3 жыл бұрын
The issue is that in endgame it's shown to be bad and we don't see that time being good
@AdamIsInTheGulag
@AdamIsInTheGulag 3 жыл бұрын
@@wolflordbradley7353 steal... fight.. burn down a hospital full of innocent people...
@AdamIsInTheGulag
@AdamIsInTheGulag 3 жыл бұрын
@@spaceknowmad9156 The Flagsmashers were 100% freeloading murderous terrorists yet Sam tells us not to call them terrorists. Just because the blip happened then got reversed doesn’t mean you’re still entitled to other peoples stuff. You’re not. Then they got mad and killed people over that. How can any rational, level headed individual side with a group like the Flagsmashers you ask... no idea.
@JcgLounge
@JcgLounge 3 жыл бұрын
I’m actually glad Sam is a centrist for a few episodes because then he doesn’t have to feel as if he’s loyal or bound to only one side of the argument. Also him becoming Captain America is dope imo as well.
@chumuheha
@chumuheha 3 жыл бұрын
Also, I feel the flag smashers aren't even sympathetic... while their motives are supposed to be positive, they never actually show the effects of the GRC's repopulation initiatives. We never see people actually being displaced, and I have no idea if that's because the show cut an entire pandemic-related storyline out, but all we see from the flag smashers are them killing some unarmed people and crying about a character who we know nothing about dying. Hell, John Walker was much more sympathetic as a character than Karli...
@JordiVanderwaal
@JordiVanderwaal 3 жыл бұрын
@@chumuheha what? You needed the show to show their camps and everything? They're literal refugees, victims of the system (like... you know... what we have nowadays in Syria, Kurdistan and other places), of course they're sympathetic. For me at least. Way more than Walker. xD The way they "developed" Karli's character was bad though. She was more sympathetic in the first episode than in the last.
@davidgeldner2167
@davidgeldner2167 3 жыл бұрын
Those weren’t Flag Smasher camps those were the camps the flag smashers *think* they’re helping but ultimately let fall.
@gulliverthegullible6667
@gulliverthegullible6667 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidgeldner2167 well, the governments do nothing for the displaced people, as is shown in the series. That is why the Flag Smashers step up, that is why they enjoy global popularity. The Flag Smashers are the group I can identify the most with in the MCU. I don t understand Sam and Buckys motivation at all. Why do they even chase after the Flag Smashers? Why on earth does Sam still believe in this Stars & Stripes bullshit?
@davidgeldner2167
@davidgeldner2167 3 жыл бұрын
@@gulliverthegullible6667 Carli murders *innocent* people so if you identify with that because you think her end goals justify her means, then the show is saying definitively that people who think like you are making the problem way worse.
@tiquezgraham7963
@tiquezgraham7963 3 жыл бұрын
I think you feel into the trap of thinking falcon has to think a specific way as a black man and you completely missed the mark on what captian America represents with your punching nazi's comment
@bleach00101
@bleach00101 3 жыл бұрын
Yes and no, you are correct black people are not a monolith however I believe what he is pointing out is that the lived experience Sam had would point at a specific perspective. Usually when you have diverging opinions it’s because of different up bringing and family background. That’s how you can end up with black republicans. However he’s not saying all black people should think a certain thing but that Sam specifically given his family history would be predisposed to come to certain conclusion. For example look at the Isaiah Bradly character. Do we think he despises the US government simply because that’s what black people should think OR is it because of his specific lived experience caused by being black. Although it’s a less extreme scenario, it’s the second case that is being made for Sam Not sure what mark he missed with the nazi comment. It was literally just saying that unlike this show the captain America from the comics had no problem taking a hardline political stance compared to this show which wants to stay as centrist as possible. Simple as that
@tiquezgraham7963
@tiquezgraham7963 3 жыл бұрын
@@bleach00101 opposing nazis in ww2 =/= Opposing "nazis" in modern day America hes punch nazis comment was due to antifa wanting to beat people they viewed touting nazism. And people took issue with this cuz they I no way defined wha nazism even was .
@tiquezgraham7963
@tiquezgraham7963 3 жыл бұрын
@@bleach00101 Also Sam's upbringing comply explains why he feels the way he does again hes not just black hes a vet a psychiatrist a Christian all yall se is hes black so anyone who claims to fight against oppression he should relate to and make excuses for
@DivertingTales
@DivertingTales 2 жыл бұрын
@@bleach00101 You still somewhat deny the individual aspect of people experiencing similar things and coming to wildly different conclusion on where the issue came from, how to deal with it and what to do about it. It’s not simply black republicans didn’t experience enough racism or oppression to come to the “right” conclusion. You have people like Thomas Sowell that started out as a hard left wing Marxist Democrat in his youth to becoming a hard lining free market republican after being unsatisfied with the solutions on the left. There is more to forming opinions than simply family and background, it’s a huge aspect but it can lead even then to opposite conclusions.
@imloco22
@imloco22 3 жыл бұрын
You can disagree with the writers making Karli a villain, but since they wrote her that way I’d say once you blow up a building killing people you are villain no matter how justified the cause. You make a well spoken video but it’s like we watched two different shows. 🤷🏻‍♀️
@FilmSpeak
@FilmSpeak 3 жыл бұрын
And that’s totally fair! I think once you establish a character though, the last thing you want is for the writers to then backtrack and betray who they are. I’d be down with that turn if it was already established with her character.
@Wolffman109
@Wolffman109 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't think there was anything sympathetic about her character at all.
@MegaSpideyman
@MegaSpideyman Жыл бұрын
@@Wolffman109 Yes, I hated her.
@Wolffman109
@Wolffman109 Жыл бұрын
@@MegaSpideyman Who didn't?
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Жыл бұрын
@@Wolffman109 I don't see how you couldn't. She was kind of annoying.
@carlisle6831
@carlisle6831 3 жыл бұрын
“Challenge the audience for gods sake” this is Disney you’re talking about
@hamdialihassan1048
@hamdialihassan1048 3 жыл бұрын
I mean they very recently created WandaVision that was insanely thougt provoking, creative and basically a masterpiece. At least imo.
@trekkiedave7910
@trekkiedave7910 3 жыл бұрын
@@hamdialihassan1048 When WandaVision started I was surprised to see Marvel actually taking a major risk for a change Than episode 4 came around and did a giant exposition dump not just explaining stuff but actually showing said stuff from the other side of the bubble - just in case they were losing anyone - even when there taking a ‘risk’ their really not Look, Marvel’s brand is literally a ‘shared universe’ - it means everything in that universe generally has to look and sound the same And it shows overall! There have been a few exceptions, but overall, any new Marvel pieces created needs to fit in the ongoing puzzle and if it doesn’t fit the Marvel Fanboys raise a fuss about it It is what it is I liked Falcon And The Winter Soldier - but it looks and sounds like every other MCU product Safe!!
@hamdialihassan1048
@hamdialihassan1048 3 жыл бұрын
@@trekkiedave7910 I feel like they take risks all the time like the end of Infinity War was risky but it worked and the five year time jump was also risky and then WV as I’ve already explained was unlike anything I’d ever seen from MCU.
@trekkiedave7910
@trekkiedave7910 3 жыл бұрын
@@hamdialihassan1048 That’s exactly what I’m talking about... Yes, I agree Infinity War did take risks - it was glorious... And just like episode 4 of WandaVision - they then reversed everything in the next episode Endgame was the most ‘paint by numbers’ film final since Return Of The Jedi Return has Ewoks defeating the best units of the Empire - Endgame has Tony literally inventing time travel as he’s doing the dishes In both cases, it gets them out of an ‘unwinnable jam’ Look, I do like the MCU It’s just something that’s bothered me more as time goes by - but it’s good - overall, I’m a fan I think back to when I was a child in the 70’s reading comic books - the idea that we would have a Golden Era of superhero big budget films would have absolutely blown my mind
@hamdialihassan1048
@hamdialihassan1048 3 жыл бұрын
@@trekkiedave7910 funny u should mention return as it’s my favorite SW movie and Endgame my favorite MCU movie. Anyway I see what u mean but I just feel like from time to time they do take risks. Falcon and the Winter soldier just wasn’t one of those times.
@Ladybug-no9sc
@Ladybug-no9sc 3 жыл бұрын
I find it funny that You assume he would handle things differently because his Family's been through some hardship & oppression. Lol. As a Black Women, I can assure you that we "all" don't walk around carrying that type of baggage. It would seem that most of us are Centrist until something personally dramatic happens to change that. Casual racism is not that dramatic to some of us, just something we get through and try to avoid. Sam's stance or lack there of is actually typical for someone raised, living and working in diverse settings. When you've known better people, its harder for the Assholes you come across to infect you with a Feeling of oppression. This Version of Captain America represents black people like HIM.
@DivertingTales
@DivertingTales 2 жыл бұрын
The author here suffers a bit under the idea that the skin tone of black people creates a hive mind in which all opinions are shared and experiences are interpreted the exact same way. And while he criticizes his fellow „white“ people as weaponizing black people he goes on to being a step away from saying „Sam Wilson isn’t in agreement with what I consider the right black opinions and conclusions of his lived experiences and instead has „white“ people opinions, so is he even black?“ Which is always a lovely thing to throw at someone.
@Ladybug-no9sc
@Ladybug-no9sc 2 жыл бұрын
@@DivertingTales Exactly ! Like, what the hell. The sad thing is that people who think like that think their helping but in actually just support negative bias.
@TheDarkGBJ
@TheDarkGBJ 2 жыл бұрын
I love you two! Sometimes I feel like I'm losing my mind lol these are the two most rational perspectives I've heard in a long time
@beefychief3355
@beefychief3355 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t mind him as captain America. In fact, he’s a very good captain America. Not because he’s black like the writers of the show try to force down our throats, but because he’s a good man and great character. I thoroughly enjoyed this show until the hot topic of racism rapidly became involved. It took me out of a story and the show every time it became relevant and felt like it was forcibly rushed in order to capitalize on everything that was going on during its release. It didn’t feel natural and ultimately destroyed the immersion for me along with millions of others who feel the same.
@TheDarkGBJ
@TheDarkGBJ 2 жыл бұрын
@@beefychief3355 exactly! Can't say I didn't see it coming tho. Despite knowing Sam is worthy of the mantle of Captain America, I can't help but feel as tho it was partly motivated by Marvel's desire to virtue signal. The show just confirmed those feelings
@EaglesMan710
@EaglesMan710 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t Zemo just simply stating facts in that scene where he “praised” Steve? Zemo was talking about how super soldiers were bad, then Bucky cut in and said Steve didn’t kill Zemo, and Zemo just responded with, “Touché, but there has never been another Steve Rogers, has there?” It’s true, Steve didn’t kill Zemo, and no, there never was another “Steve Rogers,”.....at least not one the public knew about.
@postsniper-7532
@postsniper-7532 3 жыл бұрын
You miss the point here don’t think of Steve Rogers as a person anymore that ended when he went into the ice honestly now Steve is a symbol one that’s more important than any a powerful man who does the right thing two times people have to confirm Steve knew about something tony in civil war when he sees the video and Sam in the new series when they meet isiah they both had to be verbally told that the symbol of truth might be flawed
@IAMTHESTARMAN
@IAMTHESTARMAN 3 жыл бұрын
Are you implying the 1950’s “Steve Rogers” who took on the identity after the original disappeared and later became The Grand Dictator!?
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 3 жыл бұрын
@@postsniper-7532 absolute power corrupts absolutely, except Steve Rodgers
@superheronebil
@superheronebil 3 жыл бұрын
Instead of Zemo saying "Touché, but there never was another Steve Rogers", he should have said something like "its matter of perspective" or something to signify his character's true belief of supersoldiers instead of making Zemo to somehow end up liking Steve Rogers. Zemo's character shouldn't be praising Steve Rogers as he never liked any of the superheroes who caused the death of his family
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 3 жыл бұрын
@@superheronebil show was trying to hammer in the point that Steve isn’t racist or a supremacist
@skyr5247
@skyr5247 3 жыл бұрын
The scene where Walker outright says "You made me! I only did what you told me to do!" felt like the closest the MCU ever came to a direct indictment of the government/system instead of being just "oh we're really good I promise! its just a few bad people!" bullshit. I was also really annoyed that Sam and Bucky never really had any real conversations abt how kinda fucked up it was that Steve just kinda dipped and seemed to reverse on the set up of him actually learning how to move on from his past and carve out a life for himself instead of going back to be with Peggy (who told him on her death bed to go do something for himself??). Like Steve deadass left character growth and the ppl he grew close to behind to go be with Peggy , and Sam and Bucky didn't really have much to say abt it other than Bucky expressing anxiety that Steve was wrong about him
@TheDCbiz
@TheDCbiz 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh did you not watch winter soldier where Steve Rogers captain American insinuates we need to get rid of our whole security apparatuses due to their infringement of our rights? What about iron man 3 where the rich industrialist has hijacked and lobbied the vp so our gov as well as the portrayed terrorist threat that will help him sell his military tech that’s a huge mcu diss of the military industrial complex!
@tvxyzn
@tvxyzn 3 жыл бұрын
Bucky knew that Steve was going back to spend his years with Peggy. In Endgame, they had that dialogue exchange and Bucky wasn't surprised that Steve didn't arrive back. This is again enforced when Bucky confirmed that Steve was going to give the shield to Sam because they would have spoken about it before he left to return the stones. Steve's character growth was 1. Taking Nat's advice to get a life and 2. Tony enforcing that idea only for Steve to take it. He spent the majority of his life being selfless, he deserved to be selfish and live the rest of his retirement with the love of his life. Endgame also pushed the narrative that Steve was not ready to move on nor did he want to so when he had the opportunity to do the one thing that he has been wanting to do since he woke up from the ice, of course, he was going to take it.
@manuam98
@manuam98 2 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with the point about Steve Rodgers' final decision ruining his character arc. There is this interpretation which I share which says Tony Stark begun the series as a totally selfish person and Steve Rodgers as a totally selfless person. This traits causes friction between the characters the first time they meet and causes them internal conflict throughout the films. The overarching arc is actually them changing traits, with Tony giving up control and Steve distrusting authority by the time of Civil War, and eventually ending their arcs with the ultimate act that is untithetical to how they begun: Tony's selfless act of sacrificing his life for the universe and Steve's selfish act of avoiding further conflict and retiring with the love of his life. I think it was beautifully done.
@truthseeker5079
@truthseeker5079 3 жыл бұрын
I think when Sam tells Walker that they will consider John's record about him killing the Flag Smasher is more about talking walker down then a character inconsistency. I don't think Sam is fully sympathetic with John as much as he's trying to level John's head and calm him down. So if anything it's actually more consistent with Sam's character because his real strength is his ability to reason with people. He was trying to calmly disarm John and take back the shield before it escalated into the fight. Sam was trying to avoid the fight.
@nope5657
@nope5657 3 жыл бұрын
Sssshhhh, this is actually reading nuance into what is being shown on screen, something this guy didn't want to do. Instead he wanted to bitch about the show not doing what he wanted it to do.
@danielobdice
@danielobdice 3 жыл бұрын
@@nope5657 “nuance” in a show that is literally an imperialist 5 hour long propaganda, that’s funny
@nope5657
@nope5657 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielobdice lol, Jesus christ...
@imnothappyaboutthis3596
@imnothappyaboutthis3596 3 жыл бұрын
The only problem i have is that sam just took the shield from him even though he himself gave up the shield he just went on the assumption that they wouldn’t let him be cap because he was black then when he steals the shield and shows up with it his assumption was proven false because everyone’s ok with it And why does everyone just agree that he is captain America when he shows up? So Isaiah was wrong i guess? I thought the shield was government property...why didn’t he get in trouble for stealing it like sharon did in civil war
@truthseeker5079
@truthseeker5079 3 жыл бұрын
@@imnothappyaboutthis3596 I think Sam initially thought he couldn't live up to the legacy of Steve. I think when he saw Walker kill that Flag Smasher he realized that maybe a government doesn't understand what the shield truly means. Sam realizes through Isaiah that the history of America and that shield is way more complex then just taking on the mantle so easily. In the end all of the events in the show lead Sam to draw his own conclusion about taking up the mantle.
@professorpaul47
@professorpaul47 3 жыл бұрын
I will say, you had some good points, but next time make your video after the finale is out, instead of the day before. This way you can get a full and just sense of the show in it's entirety.
@k4r4k0
@k4r4k0 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think it would be better for him to see the full picture - Good video, but would have liked to know how the final episode changes his thoughts
@delycan4912
@delycan4912 3 жыл бұрын
Show seemed fine for having to cut a whole virus subplot out and still have the story flow.
@CkyRainBeforeFall
@CkyRainBeforeFall 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly they had to gut a whole part of the storyline and literally still pulled it off.
@GregsOrios
@GregsOrios 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah not everyone knows about that. Thinking about the virus plot actually would add so much to this series. Definitely would make us sympathize with the flag smashers more
@TheDCbiz
@TheDCbiz 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a rumor and not comfirmed
@foolishlyfoolishfolly3209
@foolishlyfoolishfolly3209 3 жыл бұрын
And now actively deconfirmed
@sarcasticsaber8902
@sarcasticsaber8902 3 жыл бұрын
Thanos fixed that problem. Lol
@derekwong1300
@derekwong1300 3 жыл бұрын
I'd wait for the finale before giving a full opinion, but I half agree, half disagree. I do think the Flag Smashers aren't written the best and the pacing wasn't the best, especially in the middle two episodes, but I think the show IS good because it starts conversations (as you mentioned, it's a Marvel show, it won't go too deep) and the "haphazardness" is deliberate because it's realistic. Real-life is not cherry perfect where everything is clear and cut. These characters are going through things in real-time, and showing the characters going back and forth is human. Also, Sam is NOT a centrist. He may be a mediator role to try to resolve conflicts, but he is clearly against the methods of the Flag Smashers and John Walker. He just has the unique ability to sympathize (as you mentioned, again) and try to peacefully solve conflicts, but being peaceful doesn't mean he doesn't have conviction. John Walker is a character written well, but the fandom (however wild they may be) is allowed to not like him, either for love of Steve Rogers or a genuine belief that Walker isn't a good cap (and there are MANY instances that show why). Anyway, those are my two pennies. I'll have to watch the episode tonight to see if this changes.
@bjas60
@bjas60 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly most people didn’t like John not because he was racist because he clearly wasn’t but it was because he was throughing his white privilege around and be the boss when he doesn’t have that much to show for it ig
@liammcguire1954
@liammcguire1954 3 жыл бұрын
@@bjas60 what did John have anything to do with white privilege? There’s absolutely nothing in the show that implies any white privilege
@jermainemoore37
@jermainemoore37 3 жыл бұрын
The last episode felt rushed but overall the show was great. The 4th and 5th episodes was pure entertainment and story telling. It was better than most shows on tv so I’m not sure what you were watching
@thomasrockbottom2907
@thomasrockbottom2907 2 жыл бұрын
Wow mcu fanboy
@Somebody-pq1jq
@Somebody-pq1jq 2 жыл бұрын
Have you seen Breaking Bad
@calebgavette5265
@calebgavette5265 2 жыл бұрын
There’s no way in hell someone actually thinks this show was “better than most”😂💀
@bloodstix6
@bloodstix6 3 жыл бұрын
I think the expectations are jaded, these shows weren't made with the goal of telling and finishing a story but introducing the beginning of one. The main story drivers are the movies, not the tv shows and the common theme throughout the MCU is that the story is never finished until the end of a phase.
@Lawthefilmmaker
@Lawthefilmmaker 3 жыл бұрын
You wanted them to go in, and they didn't. As a Black Man, I'm glad they went this far. I ready for them to go deeper, but I'm not surprised they didn't, but it's great to see you wanted them to push the issue and make people think.
@ki11aqueen5
@ki11aqueen5 3 жыл бұрын
The thing is though. This whole "america is anti black people" storyline in the MCU is fucking stupid. Ever heard of The Iron Patriot? He was in the Iron man movies way back then? He was a black man, who's main job was to guard and protect the fucking president of the United States of America. The writers want to force this stupid shit into a series that already had well known black heroes in america. It doesnt make any sense
@Lawthefilmmaker
@Lawthefilmmaker 3 жыл бұрын
@@ki11aqueen5 not Black Heroes who are body guards, but Black Heroes who are the face of America, who lead the Avengers. Plus anybody could be in the Iron Patriot Armor. But you thinking it’s bullshit, just proves you listen to respond not understand. There are MCU fans who are mad that Sam is Captain America over Bucky, so why wouldn’t some characters within the MCU not want Sam to be Captain America. Did you watch the series???
@ki11aqueen5
@ki11aqueen5 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lawthefilmmaker if you honestly see every issue as a race issue. You will never be happy in life.
@Lawthefilmmaker
@Lawthefilmmaker 3 жыл бұрын
@@ki11aqueen5 I’m very happy but everything is a racial to us, as we’ve been trying to explain, it’s systematic, you can’t help being racist, it’s in the system, but if you aren’t going to listen, I don’t care.
@redhood5704
@redhood5704 3 жыл бұрын
ikr ?
@av941
@av941 3 жыл бұрын
Well, the weekly releases removes the ability to really see these flaws. I think most people just don’t remember everything from 5 weeks ago. I truly hate weekly releases for this type of series.
@sgrapness4678
@sgrapness4678 3 жыл бұрын
But most shows before and during the beginning of Netflix were released weekly. Most tv shows that are considered classics like "The Sopranos" were released weekly. TV criticism existed before Netflix, so I don't see how a show being released weekly makes it harder to see the flaws. I would think that would make it easier.
@av941
@av941 3 жыл бұрын
@@sgrapness4678 These older shows were not filmed or structured like a movie. We are basically watching a long movie over several weeks.
@sophiesoares6157
@sophiesoares6157 3 жыл бұрын
It's not bad, it's just forgettable. Many series have stuck with me over the years and I rewatch them along with many mcu movies, but as soon as TFATWS ended, I was like "cool" and never thought about it again, and that's bad cause it finished less than a week ago.
@jbo4547
@jbo4547 3 жыл бұрын
And then you forgot about it so much that you went onto KZfaq and watched a whole video about it
@trichybeats3882
@trichybeats3882 3 жыл бұрын
@@jbo4547 boy what she meant but ok bro
@sophiesoares6157
@sophiesoares6157 3 жыл бұрын
@@jbo4547 I'm sorry, what were we talking about again?
@Nataliasteacher
@Nataliasteacher 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest I would have enjoyed the series to evolve more around Bucky and his character development. He was the victim of a killing machine (the winter soldier) and had so much potential. I understand the concept of him being hesitant of killing people causing him to hold back, but they really overused it to the point that he barely wins a fight now. Sam Wilson’s story just wasn’t as interesting as Bucky’s.
@Theyungcity23
@Theyungcity23 3 жыл бұрын
Sam is a soldier though. And he’s not like a soldier that’s just trying to cover college tuition he is an elite solider. He has already dedicated his life to the flag. So the idea of him not feeling comfortable wearing the flag doesn’t make sense. I don’t remember that being part of Remender’s arc in the comics.
@The_Patbey
@The_Patbey 3 жыл бұрын
Aiding your nation isn't the same as representing the nation. At least that's how I see it
@BlackAnt27
@BlackAnt27 3 жыл бұрын
Except Sam isn’t a soldier. He’s an airman. Steve was a soldier. Sam was in the Air Force. Army=Soldier Air Force =Airman Look it up.
@The_Patbey
@The_Patbey 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlackAnt27 doesnt change the context at all
@BlackAnt27
@BlackAnt27 3 жыл бұрын
@@The_Patbey I wasn’t responding to you, but instead showing the flaw in his original post. There are a couple. But to respond to him further, Marvel has always loosely followed the comics. And to respond to you further it’s not really aiding. His initial reason for leaving (enlisting) like most people was to obtain benefits, and a set of skills that’ll will make his life better than his parents. Otherwise he would’ve just stayed and took over that family business instead of living off of Government contracts. It’s not a simple answer on either side. Which is why he accepted the shield from Steve, but not the Mantle of Captain America afterwards.
@AofSpade
@AofSpade 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but that idea added conflict between him an Walker... he was literally Walker’s foil, even down to race. While he gave up the shield, Walker picked it up. Walker was white, he’s black, etc. Both served for the flag, but he was hesitant of becoming the literal symbol of America/ the flag, like an Uncle Sam or Captain America. Rarely do you see a black person on a propaganda poster for the U.S. army. Most of the posters are of white men, i.e. Captain America, John Walker. Of course he would be hesitant to take the shield coming from a white man who has represented the country and the military for over 80+ years (in their timeline after Endgame), even if he did serve the flag. It just makes realistic sense that he would be more hesitant, than Walker, or at least try to preserve Steve’s legacy as the only Captain America.
@LordOfAllusion
@LordOfAllusion 3 жыл бұрын
“The Flag Smashers aren’t villains” just like Magneto or Ra’s Al Ghul isn’t a villain?
@duchessofmelon9967
@duchessofmelon9967 3 жыл бұрын
"The Flag Smashers aren't villains" immediately before showing a scene of Karli carrying out a terrorist bombing
@hahny88
@hahny88 3 жыл бұрын
I both loved the falcon and the winter soldier, and at the same time wanted it to be so much more.
@harixeroxkrishnatravels7410
@harixeroxkrishnatravels7410 3 жыл бұрын
People who expected a dumb silly buddy cop action comedy were disappointed
@khfan4life365
@khfan4life365 3 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that one part of the writing team wanted to do a nuanced political thriller like TWS while the other part wanted to insert political morality. The moment you do that is when the whole thing falls apart.
@waldokleynhans6977
@waldokleynhans6977 3 жыл бұрын
Fall apart?
@k4r4k0
@k4r4k0 3 жыл бұрын
I am unsure about political morality - Perhaps, more like trying to make Sam's arc as full as possible with themes that.. Could work in reality? I guess there was many themes they really wanted to show but probably time was their enemy. 🤔 I liked it, more than what it was in the comics. I think Sam was more complicative here, and that depends whether you like it that way or not.
@CaptainPikeachu
@CaptainPikeachu 2 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head in my issues with the show, the way they are afraid to commit and how wishy washy and performative it can be. It’s afraid to change the status quo and really challenge things and that’s really unfortunate. And that’s not to mention my personal problems with the way this show handled or rather mishandled issues of trauma for both Bucky and Walker. Tho I would say that I disagree that the show wants more sympathy for Walker than Karli because the way they deliberately frame things actually is almost against Walker from the very beginning but as usual, the hate against Walker by the audience is less about anything he does and more about how he’s just not worthy of replacing Steve because he’s not Steve. But oh well, if nothing else, I can appreciate this show for giving me one of the more complex and interesting characters in the MCU in John Walker, and Wyatt Russell really stole the show at times for me.
@StarlitSeafoam
@StarlitSeafoam Жыл бұрын
YES I think the way Bucky and Walker were handled was my biggest frustration with this show. Walker less than Bucky. His characterization felt a bit off at moments (I really thought they were implying he had completely snapped in that tragic fight where he screamed "Why are you making me do this?" at Sam and Bucky, especially because they had set up that he holds himself to a high standard and already blamed himself for other stuff, but then he hadn't? It confused me just a bit), but I personally understood him as a tragic and complicated character rather than a one note villian. But I was very dissapointed with how Bucky's journey was treated. It all happened way too fast, and some scenes that SHOULD have been a big deal (having to pretend to be under Zemo's control as Winter Soldier) were portrayed as though they were nothing. And characters like Isaiah and Zemo were never allowed to have real conversations with him (I'm still not convinced that Zemo would have decided not to kill Bucky). And then we just get a summary of him going to people and telling them what he did????? Anyway, all around dissapointing.
@elbashar7589
@elbashar7589 3 жыл бұрын
I like this show because it describes an aspect of the real world. Not everybody is a good and bad guy. Everyone impacts someone, sacrifices something, regarding someone else. Too many things are complicated, tossed around. Things aren't simple. Gave me some MGS vibes.
@tlshortyshorty5810
@tlshortyshorty5810 2 жыл бұрын
Funny because the plot for Winter Soldier feels copied from MGS2 with expies (Cap/Snake, Bucky/Fox, Widow/Meryl) from MGS1. I feel like I liked the show for entirely the wrong reasons the writers intended- I went from hating Zemo due to Civil War to finally understanding and even appreciating his ideology. In addition, John Walker started out as an asshole and a bully- but once he snapped and we knew his real motivations and feelings of incompetence I felt genuinely sorry and sympathetic for him.
@philipb7400
@philipb7400 Жыл бұрын
I think the problem with Karli was that she wasn’t developed enough. The Government was also not developed enough to show us why we would truly agree with her cause. Also John obviously has a better arc but his ending felt vague. He just became a good guy again after saying that he is captain America in a crazy sounding way and after losing his respect. I didn’t hate the show, it was just disappointing
@oscaramortegui3103
@oscaramortegui3103 3 жыл бұрын
I agree so much with your takes, I hate how the show frames centrism as the best choice, when the show itself suffers from the problems of centrism: it doesn't know what the hell to say.
@TheDCbiz
@TheDCbiz 3 жыл бұрын
Are you a leftist tired with centrism because that POV may be why you feel that way because the show really isn’t centrist but kinda conservative
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t blow up buildings and kill people is really not a centrist take
@alx8571
@alx8571 3 жыл бұрын
@@garenthal9638 they killed terrorists 🤷🏻‍♂️
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 3 жыл бұрын
@@alx8571 Lamar and the random building they blew up were all terrorists?
@alx8571
@alx8571 3 жыл бұрын
@@garenthal9638 Yup, Lamar was a covert agent of the Untied States in a foreign country trying to kill sovereign citizens to further his government’s political gains, and the racist troops withholding supplies from citizens letting them die and starve, that’s terrorism
@ae8710
@ae8710 3 жыл бұрын
Walker was the best character for me, would have watched his story unfolding more
@Raymondcurryjr
@Raymondcurryjr 3 жыл бұрын
He wasn’t even in the show that much lol
@bofi1280
@bofi1280 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raymondcurryjr Did you watch the show?
@ae8710
@ae8710 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raymondcurryjr he should have been in it more. Actor done a great job and I felt he was a good guy who had constant obstacles shoved at him
@remyd8767
@remyd8767 3 жыл бұрын
The actor has acting chops like his dad. He will behind famous
@TheUruse
@TheUruse 3 жыл бұрын
But then again Walker kinda that. The flip at ep 6 is way too fast.
@hteekay
@hteekay 3 жыл бұрын
Where in Avengers movie that Zemo was portrayed as a working class? The movie never tell anything about Zemo's background at all. And you think someone from working class are able to manipulate and get in so deep of both Hydra and Avengers just because his country and family where destroyed?
@callumrock6797
@callumrock6797 3 жыл бұрын
we know he's ex military intelligence who is also a wealthy Baron in his country who lost his family and his country due to the battle of sakovia which is Tony's fault so he targets the avengers leader (Cap) and the most responsible for it (Tony) and forces them to try and kill each other as revenge we know everything about Zemo in that film
@panterloart9180
@panterloart9180 3 жыл бұрын
There are rumours that they had originally planned more episodes but had to stop due to the pandemic. Also a rumour that the show had a virus bioweapon story line that was cut out because they thought it would be too insensitive due to the pandemic. Might be a lie but it kinda would explain a lot
@jjstarrprod
@jjstarrprod 3 жыл бұрын
I also had a lot to say about how I felt underwhelmed specifically at the finale, which kinda botched a lot of the (otherwise very interesting plotlines) from the show, but you did a great job at summing them up, and find a lot of things I didn't think of. That was a fantastic essay, man ! Well done !
@UnionSince452
@UnionSince452 3 жыл бұрын
Before I binged watch all 6 episodes yesterday, I was seeing all these memes about Walker and the show, and it really hyped me up because I didn't know what I was getting into in regards to John Walker as Captain America. But when I watched the show, I was confused. Walker nowhere near as focused on as I thought, and there is so much potential for a critique on what Captain America should be, but it just isn't explored. It doesn't want to commit, and it's especially worse when you have other subplots, like the boat subplot, which I just felt chewed up run time. The biggest issue the show has is that it's a show. The writers got excited with the extra run time and just disregarded any in-depth characterization because they went "oh we have extra time so it'll make up for it". This show easily could have been consolidated into a 2h30m run time or so, and I feel the result would have been much better.
@CkyRainBeforeFall
@CkyRainBeforeFall 3 жыл бұрын
The show wasn't about JW being captain america. It was about Sam Wilson becoming Captain America.
@bosaciousbagginocious7475
@bosaciousbagginocious7475 3 жыл бұрын
@@CkyRainBeforeFall too bad they fucked JW. I was actually interested about his story arc not as a villain but a person struggling to fill in CA shoes and having Sam and Bucky mentor him and shape him up but nope. They did a full 180 degree turn and made him a bad guy.
@alexhyde8820
@alexhyde8820 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like having the Flagsmashers say that things were better when half of all life was gone is essentially them saying that Thanos was right, which is an awkward spot to put the Flagsmashers in and another example of how muddled their message was (and, by extent, Marvel's unwillingness to earnestly understand progressive messaging). I also get the sense that at some point in the Flagsmashers' development, someone realized that they might come off way too sympathetic when they're supposed to be the bad guys, and so threw in things like Karli blowing up a building full of innocent people even if it's out of character.
@hamdialihassan1048
@hamdialihassan1048 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I couldn’t put my finger on what was missing and you explained it perfectly.
@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79
@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79 3 жыл бұрын
They had a pandemic theme but had to change it up because of a real pandemic to not offend people. I wish we got some flashbacks of Sam losing his partner the story he told Steve in winter solider. We couldn’t feel the plot of Carly because they had to remove the virus theme they had.
@s.t2575
@s.t2575 3 жыл бұрын
Was this confirmed?
@SapphireSolstice67
@SapphireSolstice67 3 жыл бұрын
The whole time i was watching the show, i was waiting for this exact kind of video, to explain why it feels hollow
@waldokleynhans6977
@waldokleynhans6977 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should have watched the whole thing with an open mind
@SapphireSolstice67
@SapphireSolstice67 3 жыл бұрын
@@waldokleynhans6977 What? No. Of course I went in with an open mind, why would someone watch something if they know they won’t like it. I just mean that i found it pretty bad overall, mostly the flagsmashers and the boat.
@maryf720
@maryf720 3 жыл бұрын
@@SapphireSolstice67 The writing, production, acting, almost every aspect of this show seemed like a B movie. I'm actually shocked anybody thought it was good. From the plot holes, to the rushed story, this had a very childish and amateur feel. If somebody told me that this was a pet project by the interns working at Disney then I wouldn't be surprised at all.
@davidgeldner2167
@davidgeldner2167 3 жыл бұрын
Sam is not a centrist, period. Again I can’t even fathom how you’d see that. The man is very clearly taking a stance toward progression and change.
@FilmSpeak
@FilmSpeak 3 жыл бұрын
I think I make my point in the vid but regardless if you don’t see him that way, that’s fine. It’d also not a bad thing if he is.
@davidgeldner2167
@davidgeldner2167 3 жыл бұрын
@@FilmSpeak But you clearly frame it as a bad thing in this essay by claiming the show refuses the take a stance.
@Shabeast
@Shabeast 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidgeldner2167 not only that but why wouldnt he also be conflicted on a stance? ya african americans have suffered but he was friends with cap. white blonde all american steve rogers. who showed things can change.
@BeautifulEarthJa
@BeautifulEarthJa 3 жыл бұрын
where is your argument to say Sam is not a centrist?
@FilmSpeak
@FilmSpeak 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidgeldner2167 I literally have a line saying “Sam is a centrist and that’s fine, it’s not a bad thing.” Which it isn’t. The problem is the SHOW has no real message and contradicts itself at every turn. Even the finale throws most things it tees up out the window.
@clabarkyable
@clabarkyable 3 жыл бұрын
Finally a channel with a critical perspective on TV shows like this. Every, and I mean every other channel I've watched on falcon have just unashamedly parroted blind praise and worship about it. You're a breath of fresh air
@TheresaWheeler
@TheresaWheeler 3 жыл бұрын
Dude is 100% right and I'm just befuddled.
@tomoates8568
@tomoates8568 3 жыл бұрын
Do you watch the critical drinker? He's another youtuber critical of it. Both good videos
@TheDCbiz
@TheDCbiz 3 жыл бұрын
Echo chamber much?
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 3 жыл бұрын
The flag smashers were originally going to try to release a pandemic to kill off half the population at random like thanos did. Yes they were terrorists and no, making them more sympathetic is not the reason they cut out that plot line lol
@bosaciousbagginocious7475
@bosaciousbagginocious7475 3 жыл бұрын
Try EFAP. They break down episodes of TV shows with their flaws. Wandavision included
@MJ-nc8sk
@MJ-nc8sk 3 жыл бұрын
@FilmSpeak please tell me the name of the font in your thumbnail. You don't realise how much I need it.
@SauceStache
@SauceStache 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVED it. One of my favorite shows on TV. I know everyone has their own opinion but I really dont understand a lot of the dislike for the show. I thought it was incredibly well done and really had a great message. I know a lot could have been better, but due to pandemic restraints I think they did a phenomenal job.
@Whensmahvel1
@Whensmahvel1 3 жыл бұрын
The reason why people dont like it... is right there a black cap which was “forced”. Btw thats the plot of the underlining theme
@SauceStache
@SauceStache 3 жыл бұрын
@Adonis Hardaway it’s opinion. There isn’t a wrong or right. ;)
@sircory_380
@sircory_380 3 жыл бұрын
@Adonis Hardaway what
@sircory_380
@sircory_380 3 жыл бұрын
@Adonis Hardaway jut cause he was black he was forced it del with it if you don’t like it got tell that to marvel
@sircory_380
@sircory_380 3 жыл бұрын
@@Whensmahvel1 he was not forced he made that Decision you Easily can tell throughout the episodes he was going back and forth trying to chose but it’s not cause he was forced it’s because he’s black and I understand that because America have failed to see that color does not matter even in the comics they did not like Sam being cap cause they felt like a black man could not take that. But me I can’t wait to see how Sam cap is different form Steve. And I’m so happy that we now have 2 caps 😁😁 this show was really good I loved the zemo arc I’m pretty sure he will be back “aka” thunderbolts or no dark avengers film. Finally John is us agent let’s go to me this show is better than Spider-Man homecoming no cap 🧢
@baryon9632
@baryon9632 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck dude, very bold to make a controversial video so close after the series’s ending 👍
@RizeUp8083
@RizeUp8083 3 жыл бұрын
His channel, his opinion
@CynsCorner
@CynsCorner 3 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to checking this out after I've finished watching the show. I'm not super thrilled with it either, but I'm curious to see if it's for the same reasons as what you mention here.
@BitoyV3
@BitoyV3 3 жыл бұрын
Marvel has adopted a centrist point of view before with Black Panther, where T'Challa (RIP Chadwick Boseman) rejects the hard nationalist isolationism of his father, but also rejects the revolutionary and (ultimately) imperialist beliefs of Killmonger.
@histguy101
@histguy101 3 жыл бұрын
Sam's sister can't get a high risk loan from a bank Video: "...Sam's family has been so mistreated by the government."
@GregsOrios
@GregsOrios 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah my sister and I talked about that. Hes technically doing the right thing just because same is a hero isnt going to get him favors it's being fair and honest.. still sucks though lol
@marksotnikov5587
@marksotnikov5587 3 жыл бұрын
Sam could just call pepper pots
@dominicpersaud1155
@dominicpersaud1155 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregsOrios That should get him favors fam, if soldiers have benefits then i think a superhero should also have benefits
@GregsOrios
@GregsOrios 3 жыл бұрын
@@dominicpersaud1155 yeah but those are rules or laws I think. I agree he should definitely get benefits dude risk his life. If they dont have any of that then dude is just doing his job unfortunately
@lastmanstanding7155
@lastmanstanding7155 3 жыл бұрын
@@dominicpersaud1155 see but that's a totally different issue rather than him being black. Should heros get special benefits? If they did wouldn't there need to be some sort of special group recognized by governments? Isn't the whole point of heros like Spider-Man, cap, Daredevil and other is that they are discontented from that stuff answering to nobody? See it's totally different.
@thebetter6.020
@thebetter6.020 3 жыл бұрын
One of my biggest problems with the show, while he was entertaining at times, was Zemo. Like he said, all of the sudden Steve Rogers is given the out because he was "different" but, that wasn't his view in CA: The Winter Soldier. They also completely ignore the fact that this was a man completely overcome with grief because his family was killed. I agree this show could have been great, it just felt aimless.
@MJ-nc8sk
@MJ-nc8sk 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, what font do u use in your thumbnails... Pls tell me
@KenLinx
@KenLinx 3 жыл бұрын
This series was disappointing. I didn’t even have any expectations coming into it, yet I was still disappointed by terrible plot developments and direction.
@tristanneal9552
@tristanneal9552 3 жыл бұрын
The main problem you bring up here is no necessarily why I hated the series, I liked it, but it's why I hated Sam's speech in the last episode. While the delivery was awesome and I admired the messages, the actual writing was awful. A bunch of disparately related ideas thrown together in what I can only assume was meant to be a big cathartic speech. Imo it did a really bad job of connecting "being black Captain America" to the complicated geopolitical mess that was relief for a global refugee crisis. Also, I was unimpressed by Sam's unwillingness to call the flag smashers terrorists, which is what they were like objectively. I think it'd made a lot more sense to acknowledge they were terrorists, but point out that that doesn't mean they were wrong.
@tuffdude7795
@tuffdude7795 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your last bit about the terrorists to a degree. I think ge was trying to say they were using labels to push bad agendas. Like lets ignore why these people did what they did. They were terrorists. We don't need to take into account why. Terrorists are bad, so they couldn't of had a point. Then they would use that language to continue with their bad plan and vote to force out the refugees. Maybe he should have said yes they were terrorists, but they did what they did for a reason. If you don't find out why then you are bound to create more people like them.
@xstation6445
@xstation6445 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree with your views of radicalism. If an ideology drives you to see others lives as lesser either by dehumanizing them or painting them as the enemy that needs to be overcome (which is exactly what radicalization does) then it is inherently wrong. Only by being able to understand all sides without bias or judgment can one truly see what is right. Which to me Sam managed to do perfectly, I look forward to seeing what he does as captain america.
@taureanbeaver3203
@taureanbeaver3203 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree with this comment because I believe there's a very important distinction between supremacy/terrorism(which is what you've described) and radicalism(which is, at its core, merely about systemic change). To stick with the themes and characters of this show; the flag smashers were largely supported by the public because of their radicalism. They wanted open borders and basically a sort of universal fellowship between humans of earth. The obvious problem with that comes from, well, sovereign nations, drawing lines in the sand, essentially declaring that they stand for those like them within their territory first and foremost, and anyone outside of their legal boundaries is either unimportant or a threat to their own way of life. The concepts upon which borders are established and held... are supremacy and terrorism. "We're better here. These are our rules. We use force and end lives to enforce these rules, regardless of whether or not they have any evident objective sense." I really think the problem has nothing to do with radicalization, but rather that the established order is so organized and effective at shutting down and disallowing radicalism to take the peaceful paths that so many radicals would would prefer. Radical groups never start out with terrorism. They begin with people trying to do good and change communities for the better. Groups like Food Not Bombs or Guardian Angels, completely radical groups formed to feed and protect vulnerable people respectively, are met with law enforcement, fined, arrested, shut down by the established order for demonstrating how unnecessary top-down authoritarian management actually is... When peaceful solutions to widespread problems get shut down with violence by the established order, terrorism is already the law... As Karli said "it's the only language these people understand"... and unfortunately, well, it is. There's no room within the law for radical positivity to take root. Terrorism is rule by fear. We're terrorists for being law abiding, and we're terrorists for doing anything that might effectively change it. The only non-terrorist option is to live as an outlaw until you make it to martyredome or the system reaches its Mad Max conclusion.
@peverell_kaur
@peverell_kaur 3 жыл бұрын
It’s so like Marvel to make the Avengers ‘perfect’ to the viewer, despite their obvious villainous actions: Wanda being ‘forgiven’ and not given any consequences at the end of WandaVision, and Zemo saying Steve Rogers is the exception, despite the fact that superiority did get to him as he didn’t tell Tony about his parents death
@k4r4k0
@k4r4k0 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like they needed more episodes and cut Karli away (to put it bluntly). John Walker was already a good focus. You had a good point about Walker. I think there are a lot of themes that can be connected to how army treats veterans that cannot be assets anymore. 🤔
@dshih199
@dshih199 3 жыл бұрын
I don't care what y'all say, Karli was by far one of the most annoying characters ever... Maybe that was the intention, but my God did I want to pull my ears out every time she spoke.
@blackmantis3130
@blackmantis3130 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha so true . That mama dohner speak was exhausting
@zeitgeist9977
@zeitgeist9977 3 жыл бұрын
i really love how you said "zemo is great" then goes on to show zemo dancing in the club. you, sir, are a legend 🤣🤣
@rockleesankleweights1268
@rockleesankleweights1268 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t think I’d agree with this video as much as I did. They completely fumbled the bag with the themes by 1. Putting Sam in the middle 2. Making Bucky a sidekick 3. Making Karli the villain and 4. Redeeming Walker
@IgnacioGlezCllo
@IgnacioGlezCllo 3 жыл бұрын
Don't think Walker follows in the mould of Homelander; he's not a tyrannical all-powerful superhero, he's a soldier tasked with carrying on the mantle of Captain America, which is a poisoned chalice. He's not a super soldier, and he's not evil; he just unravels, first because of the pressure, and then because his best friend (who kept him level and grounded) is killed in action. I would go mental too if that happened to me.
@jengorman2246
@jengorman2246 3 жыл бұрын
Nailed it. Comparing it to Homelander was basically like "See - they both wear red white and blue" because...that's about all they had in common.
@kikbums807
@kikbums807 2 жыл бұрын
karli garbagethaw and flaglosers are downright despicable. And sam doesnt deserve to be cap. Sympathizing with someone r some ideology is okay and understandable. But outright not calling them terrorist is stupid. Steve acknlowledged that bucky was an assasin. Steve did defend bucky but he called him out and fought whenever bucky crossed a line.
@SmashingPichu
@SmashingPichu 3 жыл бұрын
Politics is much more than right vs left. The reality is that right vs left doesn’t really even mean anything anymore. In fact the origins of it is just a seating arrangement back in the French Revolution. Sam isn’t a centrist. He is a reformist, while the flag smashers are revolutionists. This is a distinct political ideology that differs between the two groups. Walker isn’t right winger. However, he is the supremacist that Zemo talks about... until the 6th episode when he swallows his ego to team up with Bucky and accept Sam as the new Captain America. Sharon Carter is an extreme version of Captain America. She’s essentially a warlord of an ancap nation. While Captain America essentially turned into a libertarian after seeing Shield compromised and the UN take over super humans, he still maintained his honor and morality. Sharon is essentially what happens if Steve compromised his morality, and actively feels hatred towards the government. It doesn’t contradict her previous incarnations since she pretty much is just a radicalized version of her previous self after being blipped back into existence. Politics is much more than democrats vs Republican. You are missing the point that there is so much more than just binary sides or aligning in the middle. The show tackles many ideologies that are outside of this left right made up spectrum. And to be honest, this is the one thing the show does right. It’s so many different ideologies pitted against each other. I’m so confused to why this is your one big complaint. I can list of so many nitpicks with the show and this is your complaint?
@kokori9782
@kokori9782 2 жыл бұрын
tbh i really dont like how they r trying to seperate bucky and winter soldier into two different identities, instead of just letting him embrace his past, go on w the knowledge and guilt which encourages him to utilize his skills to help others, its such a waste of the winter soldier aesthetic. plus if they really wanted him to feel non-responsible for what he did as the soldier he wouldnt have felt the need to hide or to be redeemed. i think him choosing to amend for his sins shows that he is a good man just like steve but he doesnt owe anyone any apology coz whos gonna apologize for all the shit he went thru? he was used. if someone throw a rock at a person and killed them u dont blame the freaking rock u blame the person who threw it. and i hate how they nerfed him bcoz he doesnt wanna kill anymore, i feel like bucky did a decent fight in civil war without trying to kill anyone so? i just feel like him putting 120% effort to do good for this world bcoz of his past 'sins' makes him more honourable and more interesting compared to giving him a new identity and completely getting over his past, like its a part of him and its what drives him to be a better man. omg idek what im saying whatever. im not gonna complain abt the new look tho he looks great.
@jillweff
@jillweff 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think the points on Karli were exactly valid. The show may have made her violent to downplay her ideas, but it wasn’t exactly against her beliefs. One of her beliefs is that change happens through violence, and she demonstrates it a lot. Her blowing up a building makes her seem bad because she sort of is. Most can agree she has good ideas, but she is the antagonist because of that violent tendency which was exaggerated by taking the super soldier serum, like Zemo said.
@TheDCbiz
@TheDCbiz 3 жыл бұрын
Sam said the shield felt like someone else’s, he felt he couldn’t be the next cap for it was his friends legacy not his
@lucy-anne9594
@lucy-anne9594 3 жыл бұрын
I *love* the Winter Soldier/Bucky and was so excited for this series after Wandavision, but I have to admit that I was feeling pretty underwhelmed by the end of Episode 5 so when I saw the title of this video I was glad I wasn't the only one feeling a bit let down with the series - haven't got around to finishing the series yet but I hope the finale was good!
@adammyers7383
@adammyers7383 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with a lot of your general points such as the show not committing; while a few of your specific points don’t correlate to where I saw the cracks appearing. I think that episode 5 was truly phenomenal, but it’s surrounded by episodes nowhere near as strong. I do desperately need the MCU shows to tighten up their narratives, as both WandaVision and TFATWS reach their high point at the tail end of their season with no room to let it breathe.
@MJ-nc8sk
@MJ-nc8sk 3 жыл бұрын
Can anyone pls tell me the name of the font in the thumbnail... It's life or death for me.
@Bklynxrage
@Bklynxrage 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, I think this is a fairer, more centrist criticism of the show than the (borderline anti-SJW, white-male-fragile) Critical Drinker KZfaq video. He made somewhat valid points, but his video eschewed addressing the very real societal and racial problems the show addressed and he had a more “woke Disney ruined my entertainment” reaction. He might as well have said ‘shut up and dribble.’ Granted, the last episode did have a cringe “stand on a soapbox and moralize to the audience” scene for a few minutes too long at the end 🤦🏽‍♂️
@davidgeldner2167
@davidgeldner2167 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot even fathom how you’d think this doesn’t take a stance. It very much takes a stance both against the flag smashers and against John Walker and frankly I feel that’s not a respectable opinion because it’s objectively disengaged from the reality of what’s given to you in the show. John Walker is portrayed as an absolute lunatic and the Flag Smashers are *straight villains* and I don’t even get how you don’t see that-the show clearly sets out to take that stance. Why would Sam feel that way? Because they’re murdering people? Because he’s a good person? This is frankly a bad criticism.
@legendary2342
@legendary2342 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. Its kinda like blowing up a building full of people is a bad thing, the show even goes to remind everyone that the flagsmashers killed a new guy, who is a father too, Idk why would Sam disagree with that... It is VERY load and clear that the show is taking a stance
@MediumDSpeaks
@MediumDSpeaks 2 жыл бұрын
I totally disagree with at least everything I've heard about up to now, I'm at the John Walker point. It isn't that Karli can't be compassionate for man AND do monstrous things. She's complex, but she IS a supremacist,.not a racial one whatsoever, but rather has an "us" and "them" mentality and is willing to do anything to "them" if it helps "us". It's also giving us a look into, as we see with Walker, how the serum would change different types of people, especially those who seem good. What gets amplified in Karli? Her pragmatism, her drive. If millions worldwide agree with her, though, then her pragmatism seems to have purpose behind it. That kind of weight to be a symbol, an opposite story to Sam, breaks her. Even her followers doubt her at times as she gets more extreme, but out of loyalty slowly agree to hurt more people. Also, I had no idea what some apparently white supremacist people on Twitter thought about someone on the show, and I literally couldn't fucking care less. I didn't come to hear what pieces of shit think, I came to hear what YOU think, but you immediately defined your view on John around some trash Twitter opinions I didn't know about. Don't acknowledge others reaction’s if they're such low slime, tell me yours in a vacuum, please. But, great editing, good sound mixing, very good pacing, awesome video essay overall, I just disagree, but why would anyone only watch things they already agree with, we'd never fucking learn anything lol.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Жыл бұрын
Now looking back it feels like Steve saying "I'm with you to the end of the line" was just BS. Could've at least given Bucky the shield, and symbolically been with him. Instead he just retires and abandons him. Really disrespectful to both characters. Built it up, and no pay off. Doesn't feel like anyone at Marvel truly cares about any of these characters anymore. Superheroes are suppose to be larger than life. Supposed to be better than us, it shouldn't be realistic. There is no centrist way of looking at radicalized people once they've crossed over into being a terrorist. They have become Villains that the heroes need to stop. Zemo was a sympathetic villain, but he wast still a villain nonetheless. He was killing people and blowing things up like the flag smashers. Neither the Flag smashers no Zemo are like a Robin hood type character, because they don't hurt the villains, they are the villains. Their actions don't only hurt the Villains, they hurt the innocent people. You mentioned BLM, they hurt the very communities they claimed to be fighting for by rioting. Burning things, and looting. They weren't helping anyone, but themselves. Even though you agree with them, doesn't make them good. We know someone is good through their actions. Who do they hurt through their actions, the innocent people, or do they hurt the villains?
@vickie_g
@vickie_g 3 жыл бұрын
I always feel like you should never expect greatness from an MCU property, only good enough. Sometimes they end up being great or even outstanding but I never go in expecting greatness. Another thing you should not expect is closure... MCU is giant contious machine where every property is a cog in the machine.
@langreeves6419
@langreeves6419 3 жыл бұрын
Well, I got over thinking everything the MCU does should meet my criteria of being great. Some of their movies I hate, and some of the ones I hate are other people's favorites. Some of their movies I love, and some of the ones I love are other people's hated ones. There are no objectively good or bad movies.
@travissamz1604
@travissamz1604 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you think the snyder cut was amazing..
@brucesnow7125
@brucesnow7125 2 жыл бұрын
Holy hell, I wish I discovered this video earlier. You perfectly described my frustrations with the show. I am also amazed that you managed to analyse its stance before finale even came out. I honestly had faith that show will really make a strong point in the end, but it really didn't. Captain America is a symbol for ideals America should strive for. Since it's creation, it depicted what America should be, rather than what it is. In his first comics, he fought Nazis at the time when this was a very controversial stance to take. For a man carrying that symbol to stand for absolutely nothing substantial is a very disturbing propaganda. Sam decides that giving speeches to politicians is enough lol. "Just do better" - he says, as if that ever brought any meaningful change, because according to this show, there is no such thing as peaceful revolution. Why challenge status quo man? That is bad. Just give meaningless speeches. I am amazed that people actually call that speech "preachy". Wtf lol? He says absolutely nothing in it. His entire speech is basically - "Things ain't great, but hey, work on it. I don't have any solutions, BYE". He leaves Isaiah a footnote in a Captain America museum, a freaking footnote, and Isaiah is satisfied for some reason. This is so horribly dumb. Isaiah was tortured, experimented on, imprisoned for his skin. Instead of Sam actually working towards holding the system, the government, the people behind it - accountable, he decides that a little statue is good enough and goes to have a barbecue with his family. Flagsmashers have actual reasonable stance unlike our status quo defender, Sam, and show decides to turn them into crazed terrorists for no freaking reason. Let's just have them kill people, because we are afraid that audience will find their beliefs to be actually more comprehensive than our hero. It is really sad, because Steve, in MCU, actually fought for something. He was against our current state of affairs. Sure, movies still played things safe, didn't fully explore his resentment and didn't stray too far away from their usual propaganda, but at least they got that far. Falcon and Winter Soldier had opportunity to go even further, show what Captain America needs to stand against. Instead, it brought up important themes and just handwaved them with enlightened centrism. As Disco Elisium put it - "Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world."
@kierenhardy1289
@kierenhardy1289 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I read carlie and John as representation of the major pressures on Sam's life at this point, coming back from the blip and the pressures of the captain america mantle, he struggles with both but where they fall short, resorting to violence Sam doesn't. Both carlie and John aren't bad people they just struggle with their morality. Isaiah also another embodiment of Sam's struggles but I didn't lump him in with the other two due to how different thoughs contexts are. But all 3 are told they're captain america during the series but all falling short. I love it
@TheoButler0421
@TheoButler0421 Жыл бұрын
Great Breakdown. New Subscriber ✊🏾
@sydoesgames
@sydoesgames 3 жыл бұрын
bucky deserved way more character arc 100%. he got put on the backburners and im not surprised. how could they possibly develop everyone in 6 episodes unless theyre sherlock length
@Bayuuk
@Bayuuk 3 жыл бұрын
Im glad I wasn't the only one who felt let down by FATWS. Just felt very Eh, didn't really feel motivated to come back EVERY week like I did wanda vision.
@RM-cn8pw
@RM-cn8pw 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds about white
@Bayuuk
@Bayuuk 3 жыл бұрын
@@RM-cn8pw ??? Sam was the best part of FATWS. Bucky, Zemo, Flag Smashers, John Walker, and the plot was just boring???
@RM-cn8pw
@RM-cn8pw 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bayuuk Not one of those things was even remotely boring though
@Bayuuk
@Bayuuk 3 жыл бұрын
@@RM-cn8pw I mean its all personal opinion??
@beel1952
@beel1952 3 жыл бұрын
i also couldn't stand their refusal to allow Sam to have his own iron-clad opinions, it made him feel less individual and more like a foundation for everyone else to branch their own opinions off of-- which is really degrading to his character, the fact that he can't have opinions that we either strongly agree with or strongly disagree with. personally i would have loved him more if he was outwardly opposed to alot of Steve's own ideologies, it would have really made him stick out as his own version of Cap. * also im looking forward to more of ur content now that ive found this one, ur really well spoken :) !
@TalysAlankil
@TalysAlankil 3 жыл бұрын
i had to check the upload date because i had to wonder why you didn't mention the finale
@FilmSpeak
@FilmSpeak 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly...I don’t think the finale would’ve done this video any favors. Seriously disliked that ep.
@Adanmacreates
@Adanmacreates 3 жыл бұрын
I agree it seemed weird they made Sam a centrist but it's Disney. Also sometimes black people act centrist to keep the peace, especially when you have a lot of eyes on you
@beel1952
@beel1952 3 жыл бұрын
that is true but i feel the fact that Sam in Civil War was so willing to defy the government to the point of outright stealing government property with Steve completely steered his character away from being centrist or even wanting to appear that way.
@myself2noone
@myself2noone 3 жыл бұрын
Why? Most black people are centrists. We have option polls on this guys. Not to mention black folks voted for Trump in recorded amounts last election. Also wierdly condescending statement as centrists tend to be smarter have greater amounts of congintive flexibly, and abliity to grasp nuance. Why do you think the Black Avanger should be the stupid one?
@beel1952
@beel1952 3 жыл бұрын
@@myself2noone being a centrist isn't inherently bad and that isn't what i or the person above me meant. it's just weird that Sam of all people would be a centrist given his previous characterization in Marvel movies. also weird that your gut implication was that Sam would be objectively a stupid person for not being centrist.
@TheBlackAdder1964
@TheBlackAdder1964 3 жыл бұрын
“The flag smashers aren’t villains” LMAO Yes they are they’re bloody terrorists and Karli is the worst villain in the MCU, having Sam sympathise with someone who burned people alive is a bad look and makes him look stupid telling the GRC to “do better” that scene had me wheezing This is isn’t great it’s terrible
@SauceStache
@SauceStache 3 жыл бұрын
I couldn't imagine thinking that way.
@TheBlackAdder1964
@TheBlackAdder1964 3 жыл бұрын
@@SauceStache Then your a fool
@goose7215
@goose7215 2 жыл бұрын
Like "shes the worst character idk what the writers were smoking" or "in universe, shes an evil bitch"?
@GRasputin91
@GRasputin91 11 ай бұрын
John Walker killed a terrorist who murdered his friend right in front of him, so I really dont see how that should make us see him as a villain. Since we're going to justify violence as long as your political goals align, I would say hes also justified as his friend was killed right in front of him.
@philipseven9215
@philipseven9215 3 жыл бұрын
This is just a personal opinion but weirdly enough, at first, I seriously thought that TFATWS is a more coherent, cohesive story when we started it in comparison to WandaVision which involved this sitcom genre and other complicated stuff, but as it turns out, I personally thought TFATWS wasn't really much of a satisfyingly cohesive story as WV was perhaps. I mean, WV had its fair share of leaving audiences a bit unsatisfied but it was mostly with the theories. And again, weirdly enough, there's no huge mystery in this show that will spur a lot of crazy and yet intriguing theories that might hurt its overall reception, but personally again, just my own opinion, I just wanted more story threads to connect properly along with its characters in this show. And yes it's no easy task to write and execute these stories. That's just what I thought. Again, I'm not comparing which show was better but I'm sort of just expressing how I've felt about the two shows. If I had to do a ranking between these two MCU shows, I will most probably rank WV higher than TFATWS, which is something I didn't expect going with this show at all. I really highly believed that TFATWS might be a better show going into it and this is coming from someone who's always had a bias for Wanda and Vision or their show basically. I was aware of the inevitable flaws or mistakes of WV and I was really willing to accept that TFATWS is better as its more cohesive and it's closer to the MCU stuff we've seen and we sort of know what to expect, but with closely assessing each, I think I've got a clearer verdict. It also kind of makes sense why it's difficult to fully elaborate and effectively explore on central stories in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier because of political aspects to it but there's just inconsistencies and it could've been so much better. At the end of the day, these are just my opinions and what matters most is that we got to enjoy both shows from the MCU and I'm just excited for more.
@bennycongo4131
@bennycongo4131 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate hearing your viewpoint but I honestly think this show is better than Wandavision
@National7575
@National7575 3 жыл бұрын
I think Wandavision is more unique,but I can definitely see what you mean
@rnsw4572
@rnsw4572 3 жыл бұрын
No way, this show is typical marvel with some half hearted social commentary, no where near as interesting and personal as wandavision
@nahkeytoe7025
@nahkeytoe7025 3 жыл бұрын
@@rnsw4572 Ikr? I really liked WandaVision
@chumuheha
@chumuheha 3 жыл бұрын
@@rnsw4572 yeah but also the wandavision villains were pretty lame, agatha is fun to watch but extremely generic and hayward is like a disney channel villain. I enjoyed WandaVision pushing the boundaries of storytelling, but the last two episodes kind of backpedaled on that.
@maheshvarma3045
@maheshvarma3045 3 жыл бұрын
@@rnsw4572 Wandavision felt like a disney channel show.
@LukReviews
@LukReviews 3 жыл бұрын
one day I hope to be able to analyse and review a show/movie in this type of fashion with this much depth. Bravo to you, sir
@superheronebil
@superheronebil 3 жыл бұрын
Instead of Zemo saying "Touché, but there never was another Steve Rogers", he should have said something like "its matter of perspective" or something to signify his character's true belief in supersoldiers instead of making Zemo to somehow end up liking Steve Rogers. Zemo's character shouldn't be praising Steve Rogers as he never liked any of the superheroes who caused the death of his family
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