thank you

Just dont read the wiki

Omg! I love picking up items off of dead people and reading the exposition- I-I mean lore to figure out what the story is. It’s so interesting that the three games are just about a world dying and needing a human (player character) sacrifice to keep going.

Same here, I was literally looking for Emma Carlisle in Hitman 3 for like 30 minutes until I said fk it and searched it up. Hard to do when your time is more limited tho

I mean a big problem is also that a lot of games now are designed to be played with the wiki in mind. Like there are games with such obscure mechanics, that you need a wiki to figure them out, but on the other hand are so essential, that if you don't figure them out the game is basically unplayable.

@@xhawkenx633 or you miss out on content when its too late if the game has timed quests or what not

agreed, the only times I play a game with full-on guides even at the beginning, is when I'm playing a game I finished before and playing again, or if I'm not fully invested in the game or at least certain aspects of it. Any game I choose to be invested in, I def don't look up stuff unless super tilted and such There are times say trying to figure out the steps to get secret weapon, but I still wouldn't read guides on story or how to progress the story

Dude I've been feeling that super-tilt with the new Zelda game. Most puzzles are easy enough, but there have been one or two I've been ready to sacrifice a Switch controller for 😂

Ah, lemme guess.... Aerith?

All I wanted to do was look up a voice actor. Ended up spoiling the hell out of persona 4 for myself. I'm so damn upset, I haven't played the game since.

Metal Gear

Seriouslyyyy

Or fucking youtube titles or thumbnails i can't even count how many times i got spoiled it's so frustrating

yooo i remember my first encounter in the jungle with the flood basically introduced me to the concept of horror I had no idea it wasn't even advertised thats so cool

I still hate that level to this day for this very reason. Playing it now, it's obviously not bad but as a kid, those halls where you discover the flood felt like a nightmarish, neverending maze to me. Then being pulled into the library right after. I just wanted it to end. The PTSD from that stuck with me for a long while and I still remmeber the first Halo feeling like a horror game compared to the rest of the entries.

@@exit1595 That level was insane as a kid lol hard to play because of the horror

Don't say never. That's just sad to live life thinking you will never experience a kind of joy ever again.

@@Merilirem well, I think of it as a unique experience in life, memorable for its inability to truly ever be repeated. That way, I won't fall into the trap of nostalgia and comparing things to it and they will never measure up. It will always be what it was. I wouldn't trade that feeling for any replacement. I'd rather have a new experience that's just as memorable and unique instead of trying to overwrite an excellent memory.

Even reading reviews can take out the enjoyment of experiencing games for me.

I get your point and I agree, But on some games I get stuck and I want to be able to move on and I resort to looking up tutorials and such, but I try to minimize what info I get enough to move on , but it still takes away from the game

@@JeusEnc I wonder if that's the reason I don't play games anymore :) Cultured gaming pretty much without reviews and stuff vs your triple AAA nonsense.

It depends. There are just tons of absolutely essential, yet entirely basic mechanics and Details in DS and ER, that aren't ever explained to you. For Example: -the exact equip.-load Borders and how exactly they effect you. -how the parrying actually works. -how to correctly read weapon/damage stats. -what weapon enchantments/improvements have actual use for what build. -how the damage scaling between weapons and Stats works -What kinds of Builds there even are and what they do or do not do -what weapons/equipment is good, the best, or more accurately; actually worth the quite limited and expensive Resources it takes, to max. 'em out. Long Story Short: When playing the soulsbourne games, it's almost obligatory to inform yourself with guides, if you don't wann be entirely oblivious about how the game even works. (this is only applying to the very basics though. All the other Things and especially the bossfights, should be figured out by yourself or at least should have been often attempted by you, before you use guides for them.)

on one hand, I agree, but thats when you're the one causing your problem by looking things everywhere sometimes the game is done so badly that you can't figure out stuff on your own, because the mechanics are so obscure and you NEED to use their wiki to figure that out - that's when you're causing problem to your playerbase as a dev I believe

the part where it told you to read what radio station on the back of the game box, and that boss where you had to plug in to player 2 to fight it😂

damn

Picked up MGS2 from a Hollywood Video used games section for $5 as a kid because I thought the box art looked cool… greatest video game buy of my life!

yeah I just thought about this, too. As a kid, I didn't have a clear preference for games, and I also, very often, went into a game having 'no idea what it [was] is'. There was a chance for the game to end up boring me to death, but it was a lot more exciting this way. I guess you could say the same for other media, aswell. Like books, movies, shows. We don't want to be spoiled when it comes to those, but we do spoil ourselves alot up front when it comes to video games.

I'm so glad to be part of the group that got to play alot of the original MGS games before internet became such a major outsource, to go in completely blind is litterally the best way to enjoy that series, let alone the amazing 4th wall breaks at the time

Same but it seems there is that one friend that wants to meta

Whats even more fucked about games now is that Early Access is spoiling whole experiences for entire gaming circles. Why would I want to play with someone who has already experienced the game and has every answer to every question I might have?

​@@PlasmaOne okay, so don't play with them? tell them you don't want spoilers. play by yourself or with another new person. all of these things people are saying are solved by just avoiding looking for spoilers lol.

@@commenteroftruth9790 Point was I wanted to experience the game with *my* friends. A lot of people don't have that self control when they see a new game.

I did that with friends in Valheim around when it came out. Best gaming experience I've had in the past years. When they started to look up shit what to do it stinged.

I was waiting for this comment.

outer wilds, great game but this reminds me of a funny tweet i saw trans person: i'm trans society: okay someone who just finished outer wilds (2019): nah man, i can't tell you anything about it! you just have to play it yourself, you just have to play it yourself!

@@shaxxmeer I don't like this comment because I am in this comment. Also go play OuterWilds but I can't tell you about why you should

Have this game downloaded for the summer, saw the intro and it looked bangin

@@Subsistence69 I knew right at that start up I was in for something special. You just don't get title screens that cozy these days. Reminded me of when I'd leave the Ocarina of Time on for hours just for the vibes.

Same and not just with lore and places, but what you can do in this zelda game in terms of creating inventions. Every day I see a saw small of a new invention and I'm like "You can do that?" I haven't feel this type of wonder since ironically Elden Ring

The beauty of these games is that yeah, maybe you can get spoiled on the identity of the final boss or something, but when gameplay comes first you just have to play the game and nobody except you can experience it. Gameplay can’t be spoiled

is it really old school to just experience stuff how its meant to be experienced ????

wouldn’t say it's old school I'm a youngun myself and I try not to spoil myself at all and figure things out as I go along granted, it is a sample size of one

I struggle with this i feel like if i dont play perfectly than in my mind im playing incorrectly. Im trying to be better about it, i played portal 2 for the first time without looking up a guide and had an absolute blast

Please use punctuation.

Problem is that reddit is full of best build guides and tutorials, so you feel inclined to do it right the first time. At least recently it was like that for me with Vampire Survivors. I started googling and using wikipedia, and found gold farming guides, and not long after, I lost the will to play.

@@Unicbacen and and and

Ok but to be fair if i didnt pull up encounter rates I would literally never know theres a great Pokemon to catch but it only has a 1-5% chance of appearing and I rather not spend an hour in every patch of grass just in case 😶

Same here, when i was a kid and i did dragon slayer quest that was such an adventure. Or getting first memb and visiting all the places. Now its all about optimalisation

That's how WoW wotlk classic stings for me. It's so optimized that if you aren't playing optimally, engineer, especially in raids, you are considered "griefing the raid". It has created an environment that is a lot less fun and often more judgmental.

That’s the fate of every mmo sadly, and the main reason why they aren’t popular anymore MMOs used to be a social club to discovery things with strangers Now MMOs are all clicking simulators to make number go up so you can brag that you clicked more times than someone else The social aspects are almost non existent, discovery doesn’t exist when people math out new gameplay features on the first day and tell you what’s worth doing. Like on RuneScape the devs literality tell you the desired xp rates of new activities so you know if it’s worth doing before the update drops. Where’s the discovery in that

runescape before GE: learning the street price of things, just getting things yourself. Doing suboptimal shit while treating the game like a chatroom. Playing minigames because they're fun and novel. Runescape current day: What skills can I AFK while I'm at work, forget actually playing the game.

Exactly, I just avoid all the spoilers and have a great time and then Ill watch different playthrough perspectives at a later date

youtube will just throw up videos with spoilers in the thumbnails and recommend them to me even if i don't look this shit up. its very annoying and has ruined the ending for a few games for me.

When Elden Ring came out I literally stopped using youtube until I killed all the bosses because I was afraid of even knowing the bosses or areas names. Im really picky with spoilers even today I still haven't watched a single sekiro video out of fear it spoils me the bosses I haven't killed.

I watched so many of your advice videos that I didn't realize you were a gamer. XD

@@alsacex3196 He used to be addicted to gaming so he decided to use his knowledge to help people who struggle with what he used to struggle with, other gamers

if you like discovery, you absolutely need to play outer wilds, the less you know the better.

I honestly think that a lot of games removed discovery to appeal to larger audiences of well the general public and all I can think is that a general mass of people on average are not “smart” in ways that we perceive intelligence but they aren’t stupid.

I still have the Skyrim guidebook

@@Subsistence69 you're a real one 🫡

@@katman9900 🫡🫡

Some manuals even had hidden cheatcodes

You can also just try to piece the lore as you go. Works either way.

An author theorised it's not feasible to balance more than a dozen or so pvp viable characters in fighting games as more would make it exponentially more complicated. Pokemon propably has a limit as well (for a healthy metagame). Pvp will always have a meta and discovery of competetive strats is mostly done by elite players and rapidly exhausted

That’s a lot of fuckin gaming my man 😮

We even have data showing that on average, having something spoiled can actually improve enjoyment of media. Shakespeare famously spoils Romeo and Juliet at the start. A fun discovery when you know nothing can be awesome, noticing all the little details leading up to a big reveal you are already aware of can also be awesome.

You try playing morrowind and navigating based on vague directions in a rather alien environment with many hostile encounters

So say we all

Yea he's misplaced the blame on the internet and people sharing information, when that happened anyway, the difference is largely in game design. It's not normal for a game to encourage natural exploration anymore, they just tell you things are there and that's it.

It's a choice if you know better. It's reflexive for a lot of people though. Game makes you question/wonder about something, you pick up your phone and ask. Even if its a harmless instance, you'll have inevitably discovered a wiki, making the next time even easier. As a result the collective experience of any "discovery" game will necessary be "taxed". A tax which older games did not have to pay.

@@LycanKai14 Wasn't trying to make it a personal thing but sure, you could say it's self-control. But it's gonna be self-control for, again, the people who already get that there is something rewarding about playing blind. These days that number is decreasing. To think that we'll return to a time where blind playthroughs are the norm is ridiculous. The phones are not gonna be far from the controllers. Ultimately, it means that that discovery type of fun, on a collective level, has decreased. Any individual can still have that fun if they want to though. (And to clarify I didn't mean to agree with the video title or hate on guides, just making a singular point).

@@LycanKai14 I'm making a point that's so far from being personal it's strange you're responding this way. The amount of people that play blind has *decreased*. That's it. They're not gonna disappear. But decrease means we can (i would assume) conclude that less people are having the specific discovery experience we're talking about. It's not even a hot take or telling people to do anything. Unless you think that more people play blind after the current state of guides/Wikis? That's like saying more people used AI to cheat on papers before ChatGPT came out.

@@LycanKai14 low-key sad you took this much effort to complain about a simple point i wanted to make. Get a life a quit being so literal pal people like you are the reason we lost the dislike counter. Plus if you disagree just say so homie or not only time i care is when I'm bored, on the toilet, and got +99 notifications on youtube lol

Not really. If you're on social media at all or if you're even on KZfaq you will be presented with spoilers or just plain jane content that you would've rathered seen for the first time in game. The only way to totally nullify the possibility is to basically abstain from the internet lol. So yeah, I guess it's a personal decision to leave yourself vulnerable to that, but hardly a reasonable one.

AI generated story

Now when people play the original zelda game they look up a map of where everything is hidden

@@cleverman383 the game was designed in a way where the creator wanted players to discuss the games and share the secrets they had discovered with each other. I honestly love most of the Zelda games.