Why History FAILS to Explain The Beast of Gévaudan and Other Unknown Creatures

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Dates and Dead Guys

Жыл бұрын

I went down a bit of a rabbit hole on this one. In totality, I think the concept of describing the unknown is interesting and the example I feel tie together but there isn’t an overarching narrative. I hope you enjoy. If you make it to the end, you may learn something.
Human memory and speech provide an obstacle that is hard to account for in regard to getting to truth. There are countless examples throughout history of people incorrectly describing things or events. Much of this isn’t intentional. Small mistakes can often compound and make the reader question what the person writing truly knew. Examples of this come from Herodotus and Rome but my purpose is only to use them for context in showing the historical descriptions of the Beast of Gévaudan and working to draw conclusions on what the creature murdering peasants in the French countryside really was.
COMMENTS: INCLUDE YOUR WORST ANIMAL DESCRIPTION AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO GUESS WHAT YOU ARE WRITING ABOUT.
Resources
The Beast of Gévaudan (1764-1767) publicdomainreview.org/collection/the-beast-of-gevaudan-1764-1767
Caesar’s Giraffe penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/gladiators/giraffe.html
Eyewitness Testimony..Reliable or Unreliable? sites.psu.edu/aspsy/2020/03/08/eyewitness-testimony-reliable-or-unreliable/
The Histories by Herodotus (Book)’
Herodotus en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus
Herodotus www.historymuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/civil/egypt/egcw04e.html#:~:text=Herodotus%20(c.,his%20writings%20on%20various%20nations.
How reliable is eyewitness testimony? Scientists weigh in www.science.org/content/article/how-reliable-eyewitness-testimony-scientists-weigh
Man is the Prey by James Clarke (Book)
Mermaids www.marinersmuseum.org/sites/micro/women/myths/mermaids.htm#:~:text=Reports%20of%20mermaid%20sightings%20by,with%20powers%20to%20entrap%20seafarers.
What Was the Beast of Gévaudan? By Joseph A Williams www.history.com/news/beast-gevaudan-france-theories
Wolves and Werewolves by John Pollard (Book)

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@shaggyrumplenutz1610
@shaggyrumplenutz1610 11 ай бұрын
I once saw a large creature in the swamp behind my home. It was as tall as a deer, skinny, had long black hair and long canines. I told my friend and even drew a picture of it. It wasn't until about 15 years that I saw a similar animal in south Florida while doing archaeological fieldwork. Come to find out it was a bear. I had seen bears before, but they were all well-fed. Both of the ones I saw were extremely emaciated and did not look like what most of us would id as a bear.
@beatglauser9444
@beatglauser9444 11 ай бұрын
There are two options that make sense to me: A:a huge dog/wolf hybrid: There were some giant dogs that were not breeded anymore as they were only used for warfare and were a terrible danger even for their owners. I heard of Swiss Wardogs. They stood taller than the average medieval soldier. They had to be held back by collars with spines on the inside. When the enemy line was reached, they let those monster dogs loose. B: a Hyena I do not believe in a wild cat. Lions, Tigers and Panthers were known to people in Europe: They were visible on many flags even if many people had never seen one real life. And we do not speak of the early Middle Age. Even simple people had a basic knowledge of those beasts.
@willbass2869
@willbass2869 11 ай бұрын
War dogs....yep. Contemporary writings of Spanish conquistadors using war dogs against Aztecs. Seriously big and fierce. Possibly remnant blood line from Roman Molossus war dogs
@beatglauser9444
@beatglauser9444 11 ай бұрын
@@willbass2869 It is funny: only a few hours after writing this comment I found the video of the Spanish using wardogs. Then I followed up and found out that war dogs were used in Roman and Greek times. I did not know that.
@johnnyr2646
@johnnyr2646 11 ай бұрын
The hippos "mane" was most likely the common behavior of hippos "wearing" (for lack of a better word) vegetation. Hippos don't have swear glands and commonly cover themselves with mud and vegetation to keep cool. You'll often see them sporting rings of brown and green plant material around their necks.
@katnightingale2451
@katnightingale2451 Жыл бұрын
It was probably a striped hyena. The European version of those hyenas has since gone extinct but it was bigger than the ones in Africa and the Levant which fits the description they provided. It was presumed to have gone extinct before the events in this story, but it seems reasonable that a relic population could have existed and been responsible for these depredations. The population must have been dwindling and soon to be extinct which is why the people wouldn't have been familiar with its appearance, as most wild animals keep away from people, and if there are few of them to begin with, it is even easier to go unnoticed. But it was mentioned in the video that an actual wolf had killed about 4 people around the same times as the beast encounters happened, so it would make sense that this was a time when prey was scarce for whatever reason(maybe the end of a drought) leaving these animals to risk attacking humans, and in daylight, to save themselves from starvation.
@fardeenhayat8240
@fardeenhayat8240 Жыл бұрын
Weren't the species located in Europe became extinct 400,000 years ago? Just asking cause I don't know.
@olivierdastein2604
@olivierdastein2604 11 ай бұрын
France was densely populated. There's no possibility that an indigenous population of hyenas could have gone unnoticed for centuries or millennia until the depredations of the beast of Gevaudan.
@shadf7902
@shadf7902 8 ай бұрын
Hyenas only have short tails,most had claimed a long tail on the beast
@katnightingale2451
@katnightingale2451 8 ай бұрын
No, hyenas don't only have short tails, look up pictures of the various hyena species online.@@shadf7902
@S.Roth94
@S.Roth94 Жыл бұрын
The most common hypothesis I've heard is a hybrid wolf dog, which would explain the unusual colors. Also could explain its taste for humans.
@soytupadre6360
@soytupadre6360 10 ай бұрын
How do you explain the red eyes? Exaggerated witness accounts?
@CrucibleBlack13
@CrucibleBlack13 9 ай бұрын
@soy - Red reflective eye shine can occur with many animals during low light conditions.
@nightshademasquerade4703
@nightshademasquerade4703 14 күн бұрын
How would that explain its taste for humans??
@utubeisazzhoe1413
@utubeisazzhoe1413 Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and literally watched all your videos in only a few hours. Keep up the great content.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
I love it. Thank you. It makes me so happy when people enjoyed them.
@cheesewipes
@cheesewipes Жыл бұрын
Great video man, I would recommend looking into how the first deep sea divers saw the fish that live down there. It is incredibly interesting. I mean at least we have words and reference animals that can help describe what these animals look like. But deep sea life still looks alien to this day.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
That’s an excellent example. Incredibly freaky things are living down there. I would have no idea how to go about explaining it. It’s like science fiction.
@crocve
@crocve Жыл бұрын
You´re point about eye-witness unreliability is very important - this is why discard what survivors described and what is depicted in paintings. I believe the autopsy of the creature killed by Chastel is the best evidence we have to determine what it was. French KZfaqr "e-Quest of History" made a series of videos about the Beast of Gévaudan, which appears to have not been concluded yet, because he is still investigating the possibility of human involvment. He reaches the conclusion that the Beast killed by Chastel had to be a Canidae based on the autopsy of the skull - so, neither a lion or a hyena - and that it was either a large wolf suffering from atavism or was probably a very rare type of an hybrid between a large dog breed and a wolf. Nonetheless, none of this explains why it only attacked humans. And ofc, I am talking about the creatured killed by Chastel: there was a creature that was killed before by one of the king´s hunters, and many of the descriptions of the Beast are inconsistent with one another, which led many to conclude that all this attacks were the works of different "Beasts" - all of them concentrated on killing humans. And that is where the human involvment/serial killer using the Beast has a murder tool theory comes along...
@CrucibleBlack13
@CrucibleBlack13 9 ай бұрын
The hybrid characteristics of a large war dog, perhaps mastiff breed, would remove some of its fear of humans. Enough that it may have spent time stalking the edges of human settlements. Yet combined with its wild wolf instincts could result in a conflicted and highly unpredictable animal. A lone feral wolf dog, forced to hunt on its own without a pack, may struggle to bring down larger game. Various factors could lead to a man eater. Depending on the season, scarcity of food, or if it had any physical injury such as worn teeth... it isn’t out of the question it may fixate on softer/slower prey. It might find itself drawn to the torch light of nearby towns or patrol the roads people walk. The first successful kill was easy, so why not again? Now the beast has developed a taste for human flesh. Now you have your serial killer.
@GreasyBeasty
@GreasyBeasty 3 ай бұрын
Found your content recently and would love some additional, even if small, content.
@loslobos786
@loslobos786 Жыл бұрын
My theory is a Hyena or a Lion escaped from some lords menagerie or maybe a captured Timber wolf from Canada as I've read the Wolves in America where much larger than the French kind due to their hunting in France.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
The frequent killing to me seems very catlike and the menagerie escape feels very plausible. For a long time I had kind of resigned to it being a wolf but the Marin Report reads to me far more like people who are trying to define something they don’t understand. I had never heard the Timber wolf theory. That’s a neat one.
@arjunakorale6166
@arjunakorale6166 11 ай бұрын
I doubt very much that the Beast was a escaped Canadian or North American wolf. Sure, they are generally a bit bigger & certainly taller than the typical French wolf but they are far more timid (than Northern Eurasian & Indian wolves). There are many historical records of European, Russian & Indian wolves attacking, killing & consuming humans BUT very few reports of American/Canadian wolves doing similar. Don’t take my word for it, check out the recorded data yourself. I strongly believe that it was a wolf-dog hybrid - they are far more aggressive & more importantly lack any fear of humans.
@PerceptionVsReality333
@PerceptionVsReality333 10 ай бұрын
I think it was a Bengal tiger. The reddish fur with black stripes & white belly, hulking size, bone crushing bite etc. But the people couldn't comprehend what they were seeing because they've never seen anything like that.
@endermanwithalowercasee
@endermanwithalowercasee Жыл бұрын
Now this is a story I have heard before and found very interesting, and right up my ally because I'm a bit of a horror buff, excited to hear more about it in a video focusing on the history and mystery and not the cryptid-like myth around animal itself.
@sharonmontano4924
@sharonmontano4924 2 ай бұрын
Right up my alley too🎉
@tylerbouck3555
@tylerbouck3555 Жыл бұрын
Great content, keep going! Also the audio was of low volume. Need to boost that up!
@John-qm7zv
@John-qm7zv Жыл бұрын
This seems like they are describing a hyena. The mouth does appear extraordinarily broad and it does have color bands.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
It sounds a lot like a Hyena to me. If you look at the head I can easily see how people would think wolf. But the Marin report inspires no confidence in me that it was a wolf.
@MrKsan05
@MrKsan05 9 ай бұрын
I find the Beast of Gevaudan to be a fascinating story and I've studied this one for a very long time. I have still not figured out what it was, and the best anyone can do is a guess. I believe that is what is so intriguing about the story. The best guess I can give would be (Maybe Spanish) War Dog. The Spanish mastiff had a weight of 270 pounds and stood 3 and a half to 4 feet tall, or at least the stories tell of this size. Ever seen the size of an English Mastiff? Celtic warriors used them, and they were larger than men. On Colombus 2nd trip he took to battle the natives with 20 Mastiff and a couple hundred conquistadors against thousands of natives. It is said that the sheer terror from just 20 dog's ripping men apart was what won them the battle. (I'm sure the black power rifles were a Boone also) Colombus said that ONE of the dogs was worth 15 of the soldiers and their bite was so powerful they could rip an arm from a man and crush a skull inside their massive jaw's. Those dogs were bread and trained for war, just imagine something so powerful, trained and smart in the countryside and the people have only been around average size dogs.
@AdamAtlanta404
@AdamAtlanta404 Жыл бұрын
this is my favorite video of yours. more of this stuff
@allenhamilton6688
@allenhamilton6688 11 ай бұрын
Being a retired cop I found that eye witness testimony was the absolute worst evidence, bordering on totally worthless. I would never hinge a case eye witnesses.
@Wonkabar007
@Wonkabar007 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a large Mastiff bred with a Wolf creating a hybrid
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
One of the theories included a mastiff from an aristocrat. They thought maybe it was wearing the kind of layered quilted armor they put on war hounds to protect them and that maybe the armor was reddish. But that would mean that someone was out there as a serial killer. It’s a wild theory.
@zz-zh2gg
@zz-zh2gg 11 ай бұрын
based on that last description and the quantity of human victims the only thing this could be is a bengal or siberian tiger.
@drj.r.cooper2493
@drj.r.cooper2493 Жыл бұрын
The hyena is a very real possibility, but so is the timber wolf. They look striped to some people. In the 1960s-70s a friend of my family bred a HUGE timber wolf to dogs, selling the mixed pumps & "grand-pups" for large amounts. The [sire] wolf was raised from a pup and weighed 240 pounds! He was aggressive & he REALLY made an impression. Also, I used to own a black labrador retriever that weighed 125 pounds. "Scooby" had an enormous head & thick chest, causing most people to be terrified of him. So, the B.O.G. could have been almost anything.
@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah
@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah 8 ай бұрын
To be fair, in Greek they tended to compound words in reverse order of what we do in English today. So, cameleopard would be better translated leopardcamel, and in that case the name makes plenty of sense and the animal is exceedingly easy to identify.
@glennallen2605
@glennallen2605 8 ай бұрын
The best bk is likely "The Gevaudan Tragedy: The Disastrous Campaign of a Deported 'Beast'," by Karl-Hans Taak. It's told as a mystery, w/graphs & charts showing when the beast attacked, males vs. females/kids, ages, time of year, etc. SPOILER! Mr. Taake surmises it was a young lion & able to bite thru neckbones (licking heads clean w/its abrasive tongue), which dogs/hyenas can't do. The beast also apparently attacked a man on a horse & couldn't be shaken off (aka a big cat), & acted as did the lions of Tsavo in its hunting behavior. Mr. Taak's ending is the scariest, however, saying that the beast had likely escaped from a traveling carnival as it migrated from a popular road frequented by such carnivals, & that the beast was just ONE example of such animals escaping & eating the townsfolk. He sited multiple incidents that never got the press this beast did. Mr. Taak sympathizes w/the beast, saying it was acting naturally & hunting as it would in its native land. He says it was never caught, & avoided all traps & poisons laid for it, & likely died on a highland many years later. It's a good read. Thanks for your video! :-)
@phreed2
@phreed2 26 күн бұрын
The two best candidates to claim the Beast's identity are two wolves that were killed respectively in 1765 and 1767(if I recall correctly): the first was a huge male wolf killed by François Antoine in the whereabouts of Chazes, the specimen weighed 65 kg days after his death(it was probably closer to 70 kg) and was very tall and about 6'3 long, tail included. The other, the one that was probably the Beast that most people saw, was smaller than the former yet deformed and had extraordinary big head and feet. I got this infos from an italian author.
@Selderij
@Selderij 9 ай бұрын
I once made a zombie mission for the game Arma 2 called Chernarus Apocalypse part 3, and I scripted a monster out of black particles (to keep it shadowy and undefinable) and two faintly shining white dots that acted as its eyes, designed to insta-kill players who strayed too far off a forest path on a pitch dark night. I made sure that it only appeared every once in a while among the trees a good distance from any player, making low ravenlike croaking sounds that almost melded with the ambiance, and I'd soon hear people recalling from memory that it had red eyes and sounded like a wild boar. :D
@NitroBoarder17
@NitroBoarder17 11 ай бұрын
Brotherhood of the Wolf is a movie based on this! its very unique and worth watching!!
@aaronw.markel9319
@aaronw.markel9319 Жыл бұрын
They made a film about this in France, and it was a lion in armour that someone owned that trained it. 2 we’re sent to the area to investigate by the King, 1 the King’s taxidermist and his servant.
@davidearea242
@davidearea242 Жыл бұрын
aaronw.markel9319 - The Brotherhood of the Wolf. Good movie as I recall.
@aaronw.markel9319
@aaronw.markel9319 Жыл бұрын
@@davidearea242 yeah my mind blanked on the name, looked it after I made the post. Loved it.
@leehart1498
@leehart1498 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, it was a lion in a wooden suit. Really? The movie was not fact based in any way shape or form. COME ON!
@aaronw.markel9319
@aaronw.markel9319 3 ай бұрын
@@leehart1498 I meant the movie , it was a lion. I didn’t mean to say it was a lion irl. It was more like a reare species of Wolf
@sqwerlgirl1332
@sqwerlgirl1332 Жыл бұрын
Great videos, need to work on sound quality.
@Fractal_blip
@Fractal_blip Жыл бұрын
new mic season
@bendavies8881
@bendavies8881 11 ай бұрын
I think that you have to give as much weighting to the mundane descriptions as the bizarre ones. Some people who were attacked by the best said that it was a wolf, and some even identifies a wolf that had been shot as the animal that attacked them. Would you expect them to do this if what had attacked them was anything other than a wolf?
@chrisheitstuman6360
@chrisheitstuman6360 11 ай бұрын
The first description sounds more like a wildebeest. A mane like a horse is pretty hard to mistake on a hippo.
@leehart1498
@leehart1498 3 ай бұрын
A meat eating wildebeest? Oh come on people!
@chrisheitstuman6360
@chrisheitstuman6360 3 ай бұрын
​@leehart1498 Sorry, second description. "Four clover feet blunt nose, many like a horse, and a horses tail" the first one at the very beginning I would have said is a spotted hyena. The remark was more on the description itself rather and how far off it was from a hippo.
@craighaldane-gy3mk
@craighaldane-gy3mk 11 ай бұрын
There is a video of a huge black Wolf filmed somewhere in the US chasing someone's hunting dog you've maybe came across it. Back then when wolves we're more abundant and not hunted to near extinction or extension in majority of place's there could of been some large or hybrid dog Wolf's but personally I like the hyena idea. There was many shipped around France and all over along with many other creatures so one of those could easily of gained it's freedom and went on a rampage around France.
@natchaos5604
@natchaos5604 11 ай бұрын
Game: What is a "Cobra Chicken"??
@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah
@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah 8 ай бұрын
It was a brown hyena. Today they get up to 160 pounds. Spotted hyenas get up to 190 pounds and very close to 6 feet in length. Perhaps this one was bigger than 160 pounds, even though the description is blatantly a brown hyena and certainly not a spotted hyena; it's possible the largest brown hyenas were larger back then than what they are today, or that, if it had been a pet, it may have been especially well fed so it got larger than a wild brown hyena can get. I really don't have any doubt. The description is obvious like the giraffe one, rather than tricky like the hippo one. The "size of a donkey" description is the worst part, but estimating at distance is notorious for allowing for exaggerated size. Just look up picture of "brown hyena". You'll find it looks wolf-like, especially in the hind and tail, and it has all of the right colors. Maybe some people think answering the question ruins the fun of the mystery. I care more about truth than fun, so I'm not going to pretend we can't identify the beast. [EDIT: also, brown hyena don't look like other hyenas, which is why one description specified it was not a hyena. The iconic image of a hyena is a spotted one, and striped ones look similar in shape to them, but, due to their fur style, brown hyenas look like wolves and not like hyenas.] [EDIT 2: The History Guy presented a specific theory based on the details of the history, that it may have been a mastiff and wolf cross-breed. Given the specific facts of the matter (a red mastiff was involved, about the only dog that could possibly make a hybrid which fits the description), that nay well be tha case. The brown hyena is still an excellent candidate, but the circumstance regarding the mastiff is conspicuously suspicious, so I may tend toward that theory now. Hey! We can be sincere and keep our mystery now! How fun! (I do like fun, just not as much as truth) These do seem to be the only two possibilities. I only didn't consider a dog because it would have to be exactly the right dog; of course, if it had been a different dog, the description would have been different, so of course whatever dog it is it is just the right one, so I should have considered the option of a wolf-dog hybrid.]
@honeybadgerstudios21
@honeybadgerstudios21 Жыл бұрын
Gotta disagree about the bigfoot jab, people in the americas have king described known primate behavior before it was even scientifically known
@conorcrockett9563
@conorcrockett9563 10 ай бұрын
There's a French horror movie that came out in the 2000s that is based in the incident called brotherhood of the wolf.
@xoruk7451
@xoruk7451 9 ай бұрын
I totally think it was a tiger, the final account after it was killed and other descriptions line up really well, reddish brown colour, stripes running across, a big "monstrous" head, the size of a donkey, broad chest, wolf-like narrow hind quarters and a supple furry tail with rings/stripes. Tigers also have white underbellies so that fits into the "white heart" on chest as tiger stripes can often make unique patterns on their bodies. It was also killing and eating people by the dozens, something tigers are known for and something they do to this day. I totally think it was an escaped tiger.
@zz-zh2gg
@zz-zh2gg 5 ай бұрын
The Caspian Tiger is a possibility too. Its extinct now but wasn't back then.
@rociomiranda5684
@rociomiranda5684 2 ай бұрын
A subadult lion would have become an adult lion in three years. French colonials in the Caribbean used large dog breeds to hunt down slaves. A possibility would be a dog (like a wolf but not a wolf) brought from the West Indies and bred to hunt down humans. Descriptions of the Beast vary, which is strange, since so many people saw it at close quarters. But the colors, the long hair, even the cry (could be baying that sounds like neighing), and the size, would fit a large crossbred dog. Like the Hound of the Baskervilles.
@yungb254
@yungb254 11 ай бұрын
Not sold on bigfoot? Please look into the wildman sightings from news articles from the 1700s to the early 1900s.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 11 ай бұрын
I WANT TO BELIEVE!!!!
@tomeeekcz
@tomeeekcz 11 ай бұрын
wolverine with damaged tail
@Ashurbanipal7446
@Ashurbanipal7446 11 ай бұрын
This animal has a long white tail with a tuft of back hair on the end, it walks on four hands and sometimes on its back hands like a person (on all four hands it stands at about 1 foot tall, on two hands 1 feet to even 3 feet tall) it has long sharp claws, teeth like that of a person, it hisses like a snake when confronted, and-most curiously-it can vanish into thin air.
@lets_fish_already_9345
@lets_fish_already_9345 10 ай бұрын
Sounds like a raccoon
@Ashurbanipal7446
@Ashurbanipal7446 10 ай бұрын
@@lets_fish_already_9345 correct
@leehart1498
@leehart1498 3 ай бұрын
I read the translated book of a French monk who went to that area and interviewed the people. From what he wrote, it sounds like an Mesonychid? A left over from/of the ice age that had not completely died out yet? Remember this part of France is very remote, and in a very high mountainous area. To big to be a dog of any kind, war dog also a no. Hyena with the laughing sound is very different from the sound it made, and they had very short rear legs etc. Tall as a donkey! That is to tall for any wolf. People from the hunting parties that were sent by the king to kill it knew what a lion/hyena and so on were. They were at the Paris zoo at that time, and had been brought into Europe since the roman times. The Mesonychid fit's very well as described. Just my 2 cents. Maybe even a left over Dire wolf (which was not an actual wolf)? But about the size of the beast?
@saneman7177
@saneman7177 Жыл бұрын
People that think it was a dog/wolf/hyena etc are completely ignoring the devastation it caused… a big cat is the only known animal that could do that… they had guns back then, dragoons etc… a big dog isn’t gonna merk 100 people it’d get obliterated.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
That is for sure a key thing to consider with this event. The consistency of attacks doesn’t feel very wolf like.
@saneman7177
@saneman7177 Жыл бұрын
@@datesanddeadguys yeah when you consider wolves have been dealt with by humans & are now a protected species by us… the conspiracy theory in me wants to believe this was a legitimate account of a “dogman”… but logically looking at the records it does seem like a big cat is the answer… seems strange though all the visual illustrations are of a wolf like creature… recently read accounts of the “Dwayyo” in Maryland that are from last century, weirdly the pictures are very similar… great vid though mate I saw a tv show years ago about local tribes I think in the Congo describing this rare creature, people went to investigate as the descriptions sounded like a dinosaur, the guy pulled out a book of all kinds of animals & when they saw the rhino they all lost their shit exclaiming that was the beast…
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
Here is a wild one for you. Danielle Bollelli from the History on Fire podcast did an episode on this a month or two ago. He brought up a fringe theory I had never heard before. There are folks who think it might have been a serial killer using trained dogs. Apparently there are an alarming amount of accounts in French that talk about people seeing the beast or being attacked and there also being a stange man in the distance nearby. The idea is that some aristocrat serial killer was getting his fun using dogs to kill peasants.
@saneman7177
@saneman7177 Жыл бұрын
@@datesanddeadguys yeah I heard that theory… tbh I heard about this story maybe 15 years ago & it always retained in my memory just for the intrigue I guess… think I read theories that it was an aristocrat who unleashed exotic animals… also a theory there was an outcast who’d trained dogs & used that as a mask for his murders… the fact remains eye witness accounts report a large unidentified animal hunting humans… fascinating case & the fact it went to the king gives it validity beyond folklore hysteria…
@saneman7177
@saneman7177 Жыл бұрын
That last comment from me I hope lights a burning fire for you to smash it & prove me wrong… GET IT!!.. keep going man
@WoebringerofDoom
@WoebringerofDoom Ай бұрын
I would have to guess that the beast was something that is now extinct (hopefully), have you ever seen the pictures of what whales were before they went into the ocean? Yeah when I saw the artist renderings I was like yeah that's the beast of Gevaudan for sure. There's also a cryptid called a water hound, and both seem like a match.
@Cory_LaRose
@Cory_LaRose 7 ай бұрын
It was brown and had fur. It was about 6 ft tall and had antlers with 14 points. It was beautiful but terrifying at the same time. I almost shit myself that time. It had four legs with hooves, and eyes that had no soul. It was only because the stick grabbed turned out to be a log the pulled up the grass under him that I was able to scare it away. He was about to kill me. He was also evil and hated me. When I managed to scare him off he disappeared with one single leap!
@rodmunch1931
@rodmunch1931 10 ай бұрын
I think it was a pack of highly intelligent wolves. I remember reading accounts of “it” being killed multiple times but coming back. So maybe they were killing each member off till it was finally gone.
@stevenfunderburg1623
@stevenfunderburg1623 10 ай бұрын
I'm going to guess Hyena, though I can't think of a scenario that would put one in the rural communities of France in the 1700s.
@tonystoops7802
@tonystoops7802 Жыл бұрын
Tasmanian tiger ? I can't spell it's real name.😁
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
A Thylacine. One of the articles I read brought them up. They are not very big though. According to Wikipedia they max out at under 70 pounds.
@RBCjr1
@RBCjr1 11 ай бұрын
Honey badger!!! Wolverine?? Starving Martian? Tasmanian devil? Werewolf of London?
@HRuhaSM
@HRuhaSM 10 ай бұрын
Could it be a Tasmanian tiger? It looks like a wolf
@Martin_Daniel
@Martin_Daniel Жыл бұрын
Exotic pet owners existed in the past too.
@pol1656
@pol1656 26 күн бұрын
The explanation of the Hyena seems the most plausible, the descriptions are similar to their looks, it attacked humans very often (that can be explained by the change of ecosystem) and a year before a Hyena had scaped from the Beaucaire fair. Nevertheless, things like the beast chased by Chastel having offspring and the posterior description of the beast jaws (that coincides with that of a canine) are contrary to this theory.
@jopeezy6971
@jopeezy6971 11 ай бұрын
Guess my animal: It's wingspan is large and adorned in a mixture of gray to tan to black feathers. It's face was shaped like the moon with saucer like golden eyes. It's ears seemed to point upwards like a canine and it's beak seemed to be nestled in the middle pf it's peculiar face. It was the most curious spectacle I had yet to find on my adventures in this land
@bethbaublitz5835
@bethbaublitz5835 11 ай бұрын
Owl
@peterpedro7662
@peterpedro7662 11 ай бұрын
Brother of the wolf …..One hell of a film that’s my comment
@mattb7281
@mattb7281 Жыл бұрын
Someone had a wolf belt!
@ajamalaysiavar5540
@ajamalaysiavar5540 10 ай бұрын
I think it was a sloth bear. That's why it never dragged anyone off to eat it. And it was highly aggressive
@stekarknugen9258
@stekarknugen9258 11 ай бұрын
It was me all along.
@saltyheathen8113
@saltyheathen8113 Жыл бұрын
It was hungry?
@thatgreenscorpion8221
@thatgreenscorpion8221 5 ай бұрын
It was Definitley a Lion, I don't buy the whole wolf/hyena thingy. Back in the day, Noblemen and Rich people in France used to get exotic creatures such as, well, Lions. Most of the Stuff described matches a lion, Dark brown fur, a Mane, It neighs like a horse. As some of you may know, a Lion's roar sounds closer to the neighing of a Horse than the traditional tiger roar. That's why i believe it was a Lion bought by a Wealthy Frenchmen who managed to escape and went on a Rampage. There's further proof to this as the witnesses claim it took long leaps to reach its victims, which was not ordinary for a wolf....But it definitley is Ordinary for a Lion to do so.
@kchiloquin5570
@kchiloquin5570 11 ай бұрын
Maybe it was a liger. It got bigger as it ate more.
@jmskipp
@jmskipp Жыл бұрын
Damn I was wrong
@kerem2008
@kerem2008 Жыл бұрын
At that time, England and France were the years when exotic creatures were brought from the colonies and fought with bears and dogs in cages. According to the descriptions, this beast was obviously a now extinct Tasmanian tiger, which was common in Australia at that time. He was brought from Australia and managed to escape.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
Physically, the Tasmanian Tiger seems to fit by appearance but not size. They are like 40lbs. It would be like today if people just started getting jacked by coyotes. They just are not big enough.
@ethanvailliencourt5298
@ethanvailliencourt5298 11 ай бұрын
@@datesanddeadguys I agree with you on that, but the largest known Thylacine specimen was over nine feet long 🤷🏼‍♂️. I don’t think they weighed too much, though. Very fascinating animals to say the least.
@Autonamatonamaton
@Autonamatonamaton 11 ай бұрын
Absolutely zero chance it was a thylacine. They're about the size of small dogs at best, and there wasn't a single case of fatal attacks on humans by them. Sheep yes, but never a human. They were also incredibly timid and fragile creatures, and fared poorly in captivity. One probably couldn't have even made the sea journey back to france without dying. Of course, all this aside, the first French ship didn't even land in mainland Australia, let alone Tasmania, until 1788.
@ethanvailliencourt5298
@ethanvailliencourt5298 11 ай бұрын
@@Autonamatonamaton I know it wasn’t a thylacine. They were short, long creatures suited for taking down small to medium sized mammals and other similar sized animals. I don’t think a Thylacine had the capacity to kill an able, adult human, let alone to the extent of this attack. But the largest Thylacine specimen, was, in fact around nine foot long.
@Autonamatonamaton
@Autonamatonamaton 11 ай бұрын
@@ethanvailliencourt5298 was that a modern thylacine or one of the extinct variants? Cause I can't find anything about a 9foot long modern Thylacine
@1thess523
@1thess523 10 ай бұрын
100% Chupacabbra
@idreadFell365
@idreadFell365 11 ай бұрын
I’ll give a poor discussion, see if you can get it “It has a large body similar to a rhinoceros but more wrinkly. It sort of have bat wings for ears and a very long nose like no other. This nose almost seems alien. It also has two horns sticking out the sides of the stem of the nose, just like a wild boar.”
@beatglauser9444
@beatglauser9444 11 ай бұрын
African Elephant
@idreadFell365
@idreadFell365 11 ай бұрын
@@beatglauser9444 yep
@chrishenley9591
@chrishenley9591 Жыл бұрын
It was a thylacine I wish I could post a picture but everyone look up a Tasmanian tiger
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
Description fits but they are only like 60 lbs.
@JR47846
@JR47846 6 күн бұрын
This isn't the beast, but a real-life animal try to guess it: It has a huge mouth, bigger than any other predator, full of teeth. It's reddish-brown with black stripes, looks like a wolf but isn't, has a peculiar walk and unique sound, pointy ears, and a long tail. It's not uncommon for it to move and stand on its hind legs. This species has attacked women and children in the past.
@Sb-lc1ed
@Sb-lc1ed 3 ай бұрын
I think it was a tasmanian tiger
@elshebactm6769
@elshebactm6769 Жыл бұрын
🤠👍🏿
@joshp2542
@joshp2542 Жыл бұрын
It was probably a dogman. I've been studying them for around a decade. Have heard reports from all over the world, and have seen one here in Pennsylvania. If you really listen to the hundreds of sightings and do your own research its hard to deny they exist.
@chubbyballsack
@chubbyballsack 11 ай бұрын
exactly what i was thinking. the big head and like a wolf but not & as big as a horse... fits with contemporary descriptions.
@carlwWilliams
@carlwWilliams 11 ай бұрын
Werewolf. Definitely.
@denelbarak6734
@denelbarak6734 10 ай бұрын
It's a mainless lion...
@nickhoward5988
@nickhoward5988 11 ай бұрын
Some royals escaped Tasmanian Tiger. The French were in the New Guinea area. 🤷🏻‍♂️😂
@scottconlon5124
@scottconlon5124 11 ай бұрын
Don't electruct elephants
@jamesginty7225
@jamesginty7225 Жыл бұрын
To me it is obviously a wolf dog Cross breezing. You're an A Is bull mastiff of dog. Explains color and size And massive head.
@JohnSmith-fd7dl
@JohnSmith-fd7dl 10 ай бұрын
tazmanian tigers for sure. how it got to france? i dont care; but here we are.
@johnreid4256
@johnreid4256 10 ай бұрын
Striped hyena
@cdubsoptional7849
@cdubsoptional7849 11 ай бұрын
I am fortunate to have (at least for now), both good eyesight and good reaction time. As a result, I can see glitches in my vision. Your brain fills in gaps. For example, one time while hiking, I saw a twig that looked like an insect, and my brain filled in the gaps. For probably a split second, what I saw was an insect, and then as I focused on it, I actually saw it turn into a twig. It was always a twig, but for a split second, my brain interpreted the data as insect, and I was able to see the split second transformation as my brain corrected the initial interpretation. What you see is a translation of data being collected by your brain.
@ambitiousmoney3633
@ambitiousmoney3633 11 ай бұрын
Theylasin
@jmskipp
@jmskipp Жыл бұрын
Bef5ts revealed my guess for the CAMELEOPARD is ... Hyena Short hind legs and "hump" and may sport spots
@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah
@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah 8 ай бұрын
Haha. Giraffes are not lion food. From what I gather, giraffes can beat up lions.
@lemondude9868
@lemondude9868 6 ай бұрын
Ever seen a whale in the water? Tell me that is not a sea monster my man.
@RestoringReality
@RestoringReality 10 ай бұрын
Excuse me but we absolutely do Not live on the idiotic cartoon ball displayed at the beginning of the video.
@ludwigderzanker9767
@ludwigderzanker9767 11 ай бұрын
Hot story tonight,thank you, young man ! I believe it's was a case of serial killers with help of an animal ,dog or hyeana no problem. The forrester who killed the beast,his own She wolf ,was a known pedo and prosecuted rapist ...besides he was a protestant 😂.Some of the reports show pieces of metal under the bites maybe from a knife..and nearly all victims were women and children. Thx again for this fine piece of history, the movie is'nt that bad I confess..God's Blessings from Northern Germany Ludwig.
@oteliogarcia1562
@oteliogarcia1562 11 ай бұрын
It's an immature tigon or liger
@DimitriHellas
@DimitriHellas 10 ай бұрын
elasmotherium
@dirkvoskes2099
@dirkvoskes2099 11 ай бұрын
Maybe watch some Michigan dog man stories