Yeah the fanbase has been insufferable these last few years (and to be fair it's always been pretty insufferable, I think the ubiquity of the Internet has just made the vitriol more prominent and easier to access). I don't get why people can't just like or not like these films and leave it at that, everyone is always trying to prove that their trilogy is better than the other trilogies. They're all just fun movies, there shouldn't be this much animosity between fans.

Thank you for your comment! I agree, it’s genuinely insane how up in arms people have become over this film and the sequels generally which I genuinely believe to be one of the most inoffensive series of recent years

Very true. The interent has had a tendency to reveal peoples ugly side with the prequels as well as the sw sequels. I have had to learn to simply walk away from the negative and just like what I like.

Thank you!

@@focal_point Also I can ask you a question? What did you think about the Final Order Fleet and how each Star Destroyer could destroy a planet. I was wondering your thoughts on it.

I thought it was kinda dumb but Star Wars has always been filled with stuff like that which is kinda dumb. I think it worked fine within the story as a way to raise the stakes in the climax, but maybe could have been executed a bit better. What did you think?

@@focal_point Well I agree that does raise the stakes, but I think it have been better if the fleet had been unleashed and they had to figure how stop it. Though I'm sure if that would have worked right in the story

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

@@focal_point millions. Just youtube has been a hotbed for negative star wars. This video is a breathe of fresh air.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. You're claiming that Rey's lineage being retconned made the entire trilogy feel like a mess, yet claiming that very similar retcons with Luke in the OT are fine? (Even though I don't mention Luke's retcons in the OT in my video?) Just sounds like looking at the OT with rose-tinted glasses to me and not accepting that the same flaws in the sequels are present in the originals. Rey's journey absolutely has a throughline and to say it doesn't is to misunderstand her arc entirely. Her whole character is defined by finding a family and somewhere to call home. As discussed in the video, I would argue that Rey being Palpatine's grandchild and her rejection of that lineage (which she desperately craved in Episode 7 and 8) in favour of her new surrogate family made for a compelling arc in Episode 9, as she grappled with her sense of identity.

@@focal_point 1) I explained it in the comment. 2) Yeah but the through-line is about HOW she finds her new family. In TLJ it was “can a nobody be a somebody? and in TROS it was “nature vs. nurture.” Whether the Palpatine arc IN TROS ALONE is compelling or not wasn’t what I was trying to argue in my comment - I was just trying to argue if it fit in with the rest of the trilogy. It would have been more satisfying to have them not change it to a Palpatine and leave her as a nobody so her journey of finding belonging after learning her true identity would be over the course of 1 1/2 movies, but in TROS after learning she’s a Palpatine there’s only about an hour for her to complete her arc. Therefore, it’s not as satisfying as it could have been,

Again you're inventing an argument - I never said anything like that

@@focal_point that is a common counter I see and was trying to get that argument out of the way. I never said you made that argument

I agree. The story thread where finn was going to tell rey he was force sensitive should have been there. Possibly end the movie with rey and finn starting a new order. Other than that I loved tros. The hate is so uncalled for and really is over the top.

@@itsRabbitSeasonYo yeah just cuz rey's a palpatine doesn't matter in the long run cuz she chose the light

Thanks!

That's your opinion. Sorry you didn't like it. I and others like this movie. You need to accept not everyone agrees all the time.

You're inventing an argument. I never said Star Wars "needed a saga wide villain", only that it made perfect sense to me that Palpatine as a character, who was long established as power-hungry and as having a fascination with cheating death, would cheat death to hold onto power. I think Episode 9 would have worked fine without him, but this series has brought back loads of characters from their supposed deaths, so for me it wasn't a massive leap to bring back the one that is obsessed with the idea of immortality and had the means to do so. Whether you liked his portrayal in the film or not is another discussion entirely

@@focal_point 1) I put that “saga wide villain” because that’s a counter argument I hear a lot and just wanted to get that out of the way. Whether it makes sense in lore to bring back Palpatine doesn’t change that I think it’s bad from a storytelling standpoint. Bringing back other characters wasn’t as bad as resurrecting Palpatine. Lmao, Boba got like 5 mins of screen time and then dies like a pu$$y. Yeah, bring him back! Darth Maul was a bland villain who did nothing but kill qui gon. Yeah, bring him back! Neither of these characters had powerful and significant deaths so it doesn’t feel like they’re cheapening the story. Bring back Palps is basically the same as bringing back Voldemort.

@@focal_point by the way my purpose of the comment was the explain why the movie sucks, not to directly refute your points.

@@shill7852 Yes, you have very strong opinions and lots of time. We understand.

Come on, Star Wars has done this loads. Darth Maul and Boba Fett came back without any explanation and fans loved that. I'd argue Palpatine's return - given his fixation with cheating death established in Episode 3, and the haphazard explanation given ("Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew"), and the fact that Palpatine, given his character in the first 6 films, would have the will to pull something like that off - makes more sense than Maul/Fett's returns. Hell, even the Marvel films have done this - Loki's return in Avengers Assemble was given no explanation after his supposed death in Thor. Bad guys returning from the dead is just a staple of fantasy/sci-fi films like this, hardly unprecedented.

@@focal_point alright, I was wrong. Sorry for the mockery

@@focal_point Excellent points about palpatine. His return does indeed make the most sense. I do wish in tros he had mentioned he learned this technique from plagueis and that snoke was just a clone of plagueis that palpatine controlled until he could fully come back. Other than that the palpatine story line worked for me.

exactly, the rise of skywalker is such garbage

And that’s completely fine. This is coming from someone who liked the film.

Okay cool thats u lol

What a nuanced argument, you've changed my mind!

Thanks for watching! Obviously I don't share your sentiments - with the characters I agree some were underused but I wouldn't go so far as to say they were butchered, and as discussed in the video I thought the resolution to Rey and Kylo Ren's arcs to be compelling. I disagree Kylo's turn happened too fast since his conflict was established in TFA and Rey started to see the light in him over the course of their interactions in TLJ. I also disagree that the Knights of Ren were hyped, there was a couple of throwaway lines about them in the preceeding films but honestly they worked fine for me as henchmen. Yes Rey's very powerful but again I don't think that's an issue. Like these films have always been fairly-tale-esque and about heroes finding the power within them - the scale of that power is always in service of the specific story being told rather than the continuity of the series. To take an obvious example look at how Darth Vader's power levels fluctuate between the original trilogy and the prequels and Rogue One - he's only ever as powerful as the story dictates. In TROS, with this galaxy-ending threat, of course Rey's power is boosted to match that so she can eventually overcome Palpatine. Continuity of force powers has never been the point of these films for me, if that's a deal-breaker for you then absolutely fair enough - everyone takes different things from this series - but it does make me a little sad that people can't look past that and just enjoy the story as it's presented, cos I do think there's a lot of enjoyment to take from TROS.

@@focal_point yeah force powers are always changing to keep the universe fresh besides there was no backstory behind force lighting in rotj

Imagine people having an opinion.

imagine being insufferable enough to look down on someone cuz they liked a movie about space wizards

Imagine coming to a video titled why I liked ROS knowing that you hate it.