Why I'll NEVER Buy A New Tissot: PRX Powermatic Vs Nivada Grenchen F77

Why I'll NEVER Buy A New Tissot: PRX Powermatic Vs Nivada Grenchen F77 - The Best Budget Royal Oak?

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4 ай бұрын

In this video we'll compare, side by side, two amazing reissues of sports watches from the 1970s. It's no secret that one of the biggest trends in recent years from the entry level to super high end, has been Gerald Genta inspired watches with integrated bracelets and retro futurist aesthetics, kicked off by the Genta designed Audemars Piguet Royal Oak in 1972. So, today I review what is unquestionably the most successful watch in this style-the Tissot PRX Powermatic (35 mm)-against my personal favorite-the Nivada Grenchen F77 (37mm)-in order to fully analyze the positives, negatives, design evolution, and historical context. Join me for a comparative review of two similar but vastly different watches, and find out why in my opinion, in this David and Goliath juxtaposition, one is the better, Swiss made, affordable alternative. What do you think of the watches featured in this video? And what's your favorite watch from this genre? Please share in the comments.
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@anton0529 4 ай бұрын

I am not a fan of the powermatic 80, but the quartz PRX is a VERY solid watch. One of the best at its price point.

@JackoWillMakeLives-loveu 4 ай бұрын

I got the mint green quartz 40 for my entry level piece and I enjoy it. Need a nice size wrist to pull it off though

@Larbis 4 ай бұрын

I got a green 35mm quartz for 240€ slightly used as my first swiss made this month! Like it very much and it fits my smaller wrist well😊

@mbell7498 4 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of watches with integrated bracelets, even the top ones, but I like the PRX. I understand the success it has had.

@Jon-nz3dm 4 ай бұрын

It seems like they all have wrist overhang...even if they don't. Like they're just too flat and don't fit the wrist as naturally. I've never had an integrated watch/bracelet like these, am I wrong?

@mijnbuisje 4 ай бұрын

@@Jon-nz3dmthat's a sign that one's wrist is not big enough.

@user-hz8uq7cw7i 4 ай бұрын

@@Jon-nz3dm cus everyone is showing the 40mm, wears big. Try searching 35mm. Fits like a glove. I own both sizes with a smal wrist, I can just barely pull of the 40mm

@turboZ3 3 ай бұрын

how lol it’s just a royal oak knock-off

@NCSheriff7 Ай бұрын

@@turboZ3?? You mean Rolex Oyster Quartz „knockoff“ and its long time ago different era. no one gives a.

@abhishekdey1144 4 ай бұрын

My wife gifted me a Tissot PRX ice blue 35mm quartz on our 6th wedding anniversary. As I've a 6.5 inch wrist, it wears perfectly, the colour is stunning, love wearing it every second.

@lileslie4557 14 күн бұрын

Lovely wife. You are a lucky man.

@prwoland3750 4 ай бұрын

Aaaaah dear TGV as you say you don’t have a shop - but nobody is able to sell a watch as brilliantly as you do. You speak from the heart, and adding your class, taste and an out of this world production quality I’m sold each time. Now I want a F77 😂

@thenotanclan 4 ай бұрын

I must say while I broadly agree with your views on the PRX Powermatic range you have to consider that the PRX line was reintroduced to appeal to the masses - not just us watch geeks - and Tissot have achieved something quite remarkable in doing so - undoubtedly it has pretty well single handedly put Tissot back on the map in retail watch sales and appeals the the Apple Watch crowd as an analogue / retro cool fashion item while still holding enough appeal to watch nerds - and this can only be a good thing - a stroke of genius really - the PRX line oozes with style and truly is a work of design in practice - the 35mm has perfect wearing dimensions for both men and women - it’s the only watch I’ve ever owned which received compliments (not that it matters but still) - I do miss that watch and if I were to buy one again it would be the 35mm quartz version - it’s not too serious in terms of cost and delivers a great deal of satisfaction esp at the price point

@paulc9588 4 ай бұрын

Got the 35mm quartz mid-blue dial last month. It is an excellent watch for the money, fits perfectly on my 16cm wrist and stands out as something rather unique in this sector of the market. This model is just what Tissot needed as so many of their offerings are no doubt solid and worthy but rather vanilla in terms of design. Yes, some corners have been cut but then Tissot have had to take care with pricing of the PRX to gain that mass appeal. ~£300-400 is just about OK for quartz but much beyond that and they would no doubt lose a chunk of sales to non-enthusiasts who are not used to spending £100s on a watch. It's great at what it does for not a lot of money and in many ways makes more sense as a quartz than an automatic.

@stevecatalano9856 4 ай бұрын

Very well said. I have to agree that out of all my watches, some of which are 10x the cost of a PRX, the ONLY watch I ever get compliments on is when I wear a PRX. I have both automatic and quartz versions of the PRX. The quartz is the all white dial which is also a full lume dial, something competitors in this price range do not offer and never could. And with the ease and availability to change straps to different colors, in both leather or rubber, this is a perfect gateway for a person who wears an Apple Watch to enter into our lovely passion and community.

@l337m4573rpyr0 4 ай бұрын

Well said. Tissot managed mass market appeal while simultaneously standing out from the department store watches with the PRX. It's not for me but, it is a great gateway watch.

@UnseenHero 4 ай бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree. The PRX was a great watch for the mass market.

@davidcrandall4958 3 ай бұрын

What the PRX will do in the long run is discourage people from buying mechanical watches!

@Spartacus-hc9xt 4 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen the appeal of the prx, or integrated bracelet watches in general, but I’m happy that so many people have found joy in these watches.

@garyhost1830 4 ай бұрын

I bought them as gifts for some members in my family who aren't into watches. Saphire crystal front and back textured dial, mechanical and swiss. It packs an incredible punch for its price point. When buying multiple or for the average buyer this comes into play. Admittedly I didn't like wearing at first but it's growing on me the more I wear it. It's a step back from most of my watches and I've noticed NO ONE has commented on what a nice watch it is which happens regularly with my other watches. The saphire crystal doesnt seem to pop like a domed saphire crystal does 😢 also it is a textured dial but because of what I stated before it doesn't really do it justice.

@Valvey789 4 ай бұрын

The PRX looks like a mall watch from the 1970's to me. I'd rather go next door and get some Famous Amos cookies.

@brassmonkey_009 4 ай бұрын

⁠@@garyhost1830interesting. Prx has been one of my only watches to get those comments. For what it’s worth the prx and a root beer Q timex have gotten those comments the most so there’s that.

@jackiemoon_lms 4 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. Don’t understand the fascination of this hype watch. Tried it on a few times and it’s terribly uncomfortable, pulls arm hairs and can’t get a good fit.

@Spartacus-hc9xt 4 ай бұрын

@@jackiemoon_lms same here. It’s one of those things I just don’t get. Again, I’m just happy that other people are happy with the design. I guess I’m just not an integrated bracelet guy

@Huwberts_Emporium 4 ай бұрын

My choice of blue dial integrated sports watch is the Tudor Royal 38 - It was my grail for a long time so it feels great to have it in my collection, I don't wear it too often, but when I do it feels special each and every time.

@PixelVogue 4 ай бұрын

same here!

@ge48421 4 ай бұрын

It's no secret that if you have a watch serviced that sports a 4R35/NH35 it's cheaper to replace the movement than to disassemble and clean it. By modularizing movement components and automating regulation the Swatch Group may be able to cut down the cost of servicing and replace modules instead of sending whole movements to a landfill. There are upsides and downsides to everything.

@gnarl12 4 ай бұрын

Tudor swaps movements too..... Very few brands will take a "bad" movement and have a watchmaker sit with it for a week or two. Much easier to put in a new good one in an hour and then recycle or fix the bad movement

@varanid9 4 ай бұрын

@@gnarl12 Kinda makes their high prices seem nowhere near worth it. I'll keep my Ball Marvelite with its Sellita and my Seiko with the GS movement, and I MIGHT re-buy one of the Omegas I sold off, but, I've actually grown to love my Seiko "Arnie" and Casio's recent re-issue steel-cased digital . Can't really see having more than 4 or 5 watches anymore. Speaking of the 4R35, I may sell off the GS and keep my Turtle. It's one I've had for quite a while and I replaced the movement with a new regulated one from Crystal Times.

@bikeman123 4 ай бұрын

@@gnarl12 recycling the old movement amounts to the same thing as servicing it. The only saving is the turnaround time for the customer.

@69fastfurious 4 ай бұрын

@@gnarl12why do you think Tudor replaces her movements? To trow it to trash bin ? No Sir they just keep them and maybe later they service it a put it back in another piece easy 😉 Rolex movement it’s nothing special as well compared it with a Lange & Söhne movement almost if not all the calibre the Bruges etc and made by hand or try look for a Biver movements or the Grossman German movements /brands are amazing! Cheers Sir

@mrgee007 4 ай бұрын

@@gnarl12 From Tissot's website - Complete disassembly of the movement for cleaning, oiling and replacement of worn parts or exchange of the movement. Includes all elements of the partial maintenance from £105. And partial service is from £50

@jlin5459 4 ай бұрын

Love the comparison. I am not a huge fan of the PRX myself, but I think it really has introduced many people into the watches hobby. I have seen people at work who never was into watches show up one day with a PRX. I think it is good for the industry, even if I think it's a meh watch. I have been watching your videos for many years now, probably since 2016. Haven't been as vocal in the comments, but will try to be more active! Your videos have really influenced my watch taste, and you are by far the best channel. Keep it up!

@targaflorio3239 4 ай бұрын

Great vid as always TGV, Been watching your channel for a long time. LOVE you've taken to the Panerai. Took me a long time to work out to wear what resonates with one most. Wear a PAM 210 myself. Multo Bello!

@vonkruel 4 ай бұрын

If you buy a Tissot Gentleman (non-quartz) you'll get a nicer version of the Powermatic 80 that has a proper escapement -- look for 25 jewels instead of 23 (the extra 2 are the pallet fork jewels). You can certainly maintain the movement _until_ you need parts, at which point you're a bit stuffed. Long-term, you're much better off with a Sellita, and actually if you don't want to send your Powermatic 80 driven watch to its maker for "service" (movement replacement) you can just swap in an SW200-1. You'll lose some power reserve, but gain peace of mind knowing your watch is properly maintainable.

@nicolofurlan2278 4 ай бұрын

I've just got the gentlman in silver dial. So you advise not to service it with tissot bc they will just swap the mvment?

@mrdisco99 4 ай бұрын

@@nicolofurlan2278 Tissot (Swatch Group Service) is probably the best place to send this movement to for service. You're guaranteed to get like for like parts that way, and prices are the best you'll find anyway.

@vonkruel 4 ай бұрын

If you don't mind the cost, and don't mind the movement being swapped out, then you can certainly send it to Tissot. Instead, you might consider taking it to your trusted watchmaker for service, but when the time comes that you need a replacement part (which isn't available), you could instruct your watchmaker to swap in an SW200-1. @@nicolofurlan2278

@nicolofurlan2278 3 ай бұрын

I'm concerned about this I don't like the swap movement thing

@SilverBackELTorro 3 ай бұрын

So are you saying that the powermatic 80 on a PRX is different from the Powermatic 80 of a Gentleman?

@nunopeneda8156 4 ай бұрын

Dear Sir, indeed you are unic! The way you approach this passion that link us all, watch lovers, is an inspiration, at least for me! The quality and hard work you put in all your videos shows the respect you have for all your followers, providing and sharing with us so much knowledge and information always with intelectual honesty. Despite my love and passion for watches started when I was a young boy, You were the main responsable in my decision to restart my humble but so fullfiling litle watch colection that gives so much joy and hapiness. Thank You! From Portugal.

@PhoenixThomasITB 4 ай бұрын

I'm so glad you made this video. I have the f77 in smoke brown, and it is such a beautiful piece. It's one of my favorite purchases, hands down.

@FINsoininen 4 ай бұрын

Great video! A budget quartz contender for us broke people would be the Casio Edifice EFB series. They look fairly similar to these two and they punch way above their weight. Im rocking the chronograph version right now and its brilliant. (EFB-700D) solid bracelet and sapphire crystal for $150. Much love from Sweden!

@Phil5150Bower 4 ай бұрын

As usual another great upload full of amazing research and information. Best wishes tgv buddy 🤙🏻

@piwo647 4 ай бұрын

Firstly great channel, I really enjoy your content TGV. It is my favorite watch content channel by far. The production quality is above anything else and your passion radiates. That’s it for the compliments! I noticed that you tend to wear your watches quite low, on your wrist bone if not lower, so very close to your hand. Is that just an impression? I would have assumed that you would be more traditional and wear your watch above the wrist bone which I find much more practical as the watch doesn’t get in the way of any movements. I also believe (and that’s just me) that wearing the watch so low is a bit of a styling mistake.

@simon_jakobsson 4 ай бұрын

Another great video TGV, you keep refining your editing and writing, it's great following along on your youtube journey.

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much Simon 🙏🙏🙏 Best regards, TGV

@thisisnix 4 ай бұрын

Unrelated comment, but your TGV screensaver on your monitor in the background looks SO awesome, I love it!

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

Thank you, I spent waaaaaay too much time on it, but your comment made it with it! O&U! Best regards, TGV

@ofb7212 4 ай бұрын

Bought the PRXP80 on a cruise one year ago for $490. Tax free. It was my most expensive watch purchase at the time. I wear it in rotation every week and enjoy it thoroughly. The price matters. I also think the CW12 is much better looking than the NG in pics. Not really a fair comparison. Love your reviews.

@ricradoineds 4 ай бұрын

Those small details on the NG really puts it apart, love the polish and brushing contrast! The power matic 80 looks very interesting, lets see how it ages and the need to replace the modules. Best of luck (love the music in background).

@bryanbeckett869 4 ай бұрын

I have the quartz PRX, and I love it. The fit and finish of the bracelet and the watch head is fantastic (for the £300 it cost) and the quartz gets rid of the issues of the Powermatic. Also honestly prefer my sunburst dial to the waffle of the auto.

@mickpalmer951 4 ай бұрын

Really enjoyed this video, and your full detail of the Horology.

@erikc3057 4 ай бұрын

Great video! Last year I purchased a Tissot PRX Quartz. As a 1973 model myself, I seem to have an affinity for 70s styling. I bought the Quartz partially as an homage to 70s quartz watches and partially (I'll freely admit) for the pricepoint as this was my first Tissot. I got the PRX with the blue sunburst dial (not the waffle). At first I loved it but after wearing for a year, I'm kind of ambivalent about it. It now sits in my dresser most of the time. Not sure if I'm going to sell it, but now I wish I bought the mint green dial with a black leather strap. Seeing that Nivada though.....I probably should've saved my money. Thank you, I thoroughly enjoy your videos!

@dgdave2673 4 ай бұрын

My recent Tissot experience left a lot to be desired. I got the Le Locle open heart version of the powermatic 80 and within a week it went haywire on its time keeping. Now honestly don’t know what happened and don’t suspect it was anywhere near magnetic fields or anything. I have so many other watches and nothing like that ever happened. I am good at regulating watches myself, but this one I didn’t attempt ( at that time didn’t know you can’t), so sent it back within the return window for a refund. Guess I will never go Tissot way anytime soon or even later. Thanks to TGV’s review of Fortis, got a B42 and it’s such a wonderful beast of a watch!

@VMIyanks04 4 ай бұрын

Great comparison video! Thank you! I always liked the PRX but never loved it enough to buy it. I’m the type that would rather have something more unique that you don’t find at a mall and can enter into a real conversation with a fellow enthusiast about it, rather than a superficial convo of “cool watch bro”. Thank you for showcasing the more unique and special watches. After all, as an enthusiast I like been enthusiastic about my watches!

@dropskzim2310 4 ай бұрын

Love the content! Nothing will beat real honest reviews not hiding as an ad for their store

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for that, it was the first comment I read this morning and motivated me for todays work ahead. Onwards, upwards and best regards, TGV

@cliffdrewyor5543 4 ай бұрын

Ossum content like always Sir👊🖤😎 absolutely luv watching your vidz and learning from you💯 my brother @Trapvision just got his prx and he's extremely happy with it... I shared this vid with him but knowing him he already had watched this...lol oh well great watching 👀 it over anywho🤪 Stay blessed and keep making these ossum vidz Sir🤗

@heisenberg1732 3 күн бұрын

I'm a huge Nivada Grenchen fan. Way too overlooked. I think the Chronoking Paul Newman, quartz or automatic, are the most beautiful chronographs out there. Great vid.

@mikemurphy8996 4 ай бұрын

Your voice is fantastic. Audiobook worthy

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

You are very kind, thank you. 🙏🙏🙏 That made my evening. Onwards, upwards and the very best regards, TGV

@tsol9097 4 ай бұрын

Time for The History of Horology in Film by TGV, narrated by TGV.

@InebriHATED 4 ай бұрын

Ive had my gold PRX 35mm Powermatic for a month or so now. Absolutly love it! Just based on looks it kills the F77 IMO. off to see what this CW Twelve looks like

@leonardmartin6048 4 ай бұрын

I got the ice blue and its not only stunning but its also so precise. I average between 0 to 3 seconds a day.

@clintonshiells3095 4 ай бұрын

I love that you cited the Dutch watchmaker’s recent video on the Powermatic 80 movement. You said it at the end-what about the CW Twelve vs. the NG F77?

@amankozha9778 4 ай бұрын

Cool Blue Textures on both watches, though;)! Thanks for the video, Sir TGV!

@stefanseckler7973 4 ай бұрын

Great video! Like the competition between the PRX and NG. I think the Braclet from the NG could me more in way like those from Tisso or CW. I got my first integrated bracelet watch. And ist a Twelve from CW. Ist absolutely stunning and it got a loot of wrist time. It would be very nice to see a review from you about the twelve. There are a few new models since these days. Hopefully see you soon with the twelve. 😊❤

@WestCoastAce27 4 ай бұрын

I scratched my integrated itch w the Citizen Tsuyosa. No textured dial - went w the bright gold/yellow. Swatch group ruins everything so Tissot’s huge plastic issue is no surprise. I am considering adding a NG to my collection - but probably the diver or chrono. Great job as always w the presentation and historical context.

@rainerbuechse6923 3 ай бұрын

I own the automatic PRX with the blue waffle dial and the quartz PRX in gold. I love them both and wear them a lot. Lot of fun for the buck!

@Javi_C 4 ай бұрын

Fantastic video this weekend TGV!

@AndyC-sharkDoc 4 ай бұрын

Another great video - I appreciate the research and effort you put into the content and the slick production. 😊Well, I got a powermatic in my Mido Oceanstar GMT so will see how that lasts in the long run. I’d be interested to see how this compares with relative cheap Japanese movements in quality and longevity I do understand though the market forces driving Tissot and Swatch group, and they are offering alternatives to the Apple Watch drones, so maybe it’s worth it? But it’s be a shame to lose the craftsmanship of watch making in lieu of a cold soulless automaticon 😢

@stephengarratt8027 4 ай бұрын

One of the few watches I regretted selling was my Frederique constant "highlife " blue dial. NG have smashed it with a number of reissues. It's always good to be armed with all the facts to make an informed decision and you certainly make as usual a compelling case. P.S Excellent cameo from Hugo as usual 😂❤

@khronosbest9448 4 ай бұрын

Well done TGV. Glad to hear you have similar " concerns" regarding this disconcerting topic. Plastic mechanical parts, in this case the pallet fork, does little to inspire confidence or regard for the model and the company.

@benbiber4135 Ай бұрын

I own an Oysterquartz as the only integrated bracelet watch and it surprisingly gets more wrist time than I expected when first bought it a year ago . Integrated bracelet idea wasn’t my thing until I’ve tried few examples - undoubtably Nautilus was the most comfortable and elegant looking on my wrist ,but the price of course… My next purchase will almost definitely be Nivada F77 as it looks wicked and history behind its development just appeals to me . Thanks for the review - informative and sophisticated,as always

@bubbabrannan5915 4 ай бұрын

Great content and narrative TGV. 🥃🥃🥃

@chris555 4 ай бұрын

I went to try on a PRX before Christmas. I didn't want the quartz version because I liked the waffle dial. After holding both versions & not feeling they were for me, I purchased a Casio Tiffany EFR-S108D-2BVUEF for just £99. RRP was £119 but I had £20 discount voucher. It comes with a sapphire crystal & honestly, the bracelet feels just as good quality, if not better. OK, so I didn't get the waffle dial I lusted for, but I feel very satisfied with the outcome. The only sidenote to a great video is I can find a PRX all over the UK. I have no idea where I could get my mitts on the F77 pre-purchase.

@bumcrackwatchco. 4 ай бұрын

Wonderful vid TGV - enjoyable and educational ,ty I own a prx glacier blue , it sits in nicely in my collections, between the alpinist and khaki, but there is a space left ... any idea of what mr Dan henry is working on ? . Kindest regards

@RedwoodAggie Ай бұрын

I missed this video upon its release, but just found it when trying to search for some F77 reviews. Yours was excellent, with great points brought up (as usual). I am tempted by the new Lapis Lazuli and even the titanium meteorite models, but have not gotten to try one on in person. The PRX is a nice looking watch (especially that light blue), but ultimately I find the 40mm feels too big on my 7-inch wrist and the 35mm is too small. I've been contemplating the Christopher Wars Twelve as well, which wears very comfortably on my wrist with its 40mm size, unlike the PRX. The new F77 releases just made my choice more difficult, but your video is helping me figure out what I want.

@jamiehull7238 4 ай бұрын

The F77 is a beautiful watch. I would never have considered one, prior to seeing them on your channel. Hopefully I can add one to my collection one day. Thanks for sharing this with us TGV.

@jo_magpie 4 ай бұрын

Would love a slightly cheaper HQ quartz version. Like the PRX they seem to cater perfectly as a everyday office watch.

@davidcrandall4958 4 ай бұрын

I bought the quartz PRX because it was an exact copy of the late 70's Tissot Seastar!

@Mannyperez610 4 ай бұрын

Maybe take a look at the Casio edifice EFRS108D

@oliver.n278 4 ай бұрын

Seiko SUR Series is my choice

@mercuriall2810 4 ай бұрын

Great video! Really enjoyed the cameos of Kalle Slaap from Chronoglide. He certainly didn’t mince his words when voicing his thoughts on the “high tech” plastic escapement! Any regular viewer of his KZfaq channel will know he is very rarely so strongly or explicitly critical of anything.

@partaxian 4 ай бұрын

Great video as always TGV. Maybe you can review the Maen Manhattan 37, which is also a 70's inspired watch, some time?

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

Thank you, always appreciated Regarding the Maen, I think may have already done so. Best regards, TGV

@ABritishRefugeeinChina 4 ай бұрын

Can you give me details of that purple bezel Squale watch at the beginning of your video if you have time. Can't find it on the Square website.Thanks!

@dscotp185 4 ай бұрын

Great video. I bought the Ice Blue Tissot PRX. Sold it after 1 month. Uncomfortable, sharp edged bracelet. Dial became boring after a short while. After learning more about the watch, didn't care for all the plastic parts in the Powermatic movement. To each his own I guess. NG much nicer IMO.

@Antek_S 4 ай бұрын

I want to buy the NG, but it suffers with wrist float due to those ridiculous static end links. You'd need a 12" wrist for it to sit flat.

@pieters3624 4 ай бұрын

Jup i have the NG chronoking, beautiful watch and it fits me but it has a crazy lug to lug of 51mm with male endlinks included.

@Antek_S 4 ай бұрын

@@pieters3624 I'm not quite sure what they were thinking to be honest. Some very questionable design choices all around. Does your ChronoKing case suffer from being completely flat also? The F77 seems to have zero sloping towards the lugs.

@pieters3624 4 ай бұрын

@@Antek_S There is a very slight curve at the endlinks. Together with the 39mm bezel it makes the watch well proportioned in the end. The flat endlinks don't bother me atleast.

@Qadi90 4 ай бұрын

I own it and this is exactly the issue I am facing. However, it is still worth getting. I have an extremely small wrist and it still looks good on me size wise.

@matthiasvangysel938 4 ай бұрын

love how you integrated the brutalist architecture. Great video in general, thank you!

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

😉🙏 So glad to hear others appreciated it. Thank you Matthias, Best regards, TGV

@bobbressi5414 4 ай бұрын

Was the powermatic 80 always made with plastic palet fork and escapement? I have an older chronometer variant of the P80 that is currently running plus 1 second per day. I also have the newer PRX auto but it is not chronometer certified and runs minus 4 per day.

@TheOwlGuy777 4 ай бұрын

Only the Sistem 51.

@DarrenBates 4 ай бұрын

Not all Powermatic 80s have plastic parts and it's believed that it comes down to the different grades of movement. Like other ETA 2824-based movements there's different grades, and with Tissot it's believed that the Silicium and Chronometer grade Powermatic 80s do not contain plastic parts.

@gnarl12 4 ай бұрын

No, there are versions with metal parts. Hamilton khaki fields have metal parts for example.

@tailsneon556 4 ай бұрын

23 Jewel variants have plastic escapements. 25 Jewel movements have a traditional escapement as found in higher end Tissot, Hamiltons, Mido etc. Don't confuse with the Sistem51. That is a Swatch only sealed / bonded caliber as found in the Swatch x Blancpain collab. The S51 and the P80 are absolutely nothing alike.

@bobbressi5414 4 ай бұрын

Good to know. Thanks people

@jackdaw3173 4 ай бұрын

piddling it down here in bristol u.k(right up your street T.G.V) on a saturday evening...this video was just the ticket ...loved it!

@d.whillmar1740 4 ай бұрын

What's really funny, the exterior of F77 reminds me of Vostok Amphibia rather than Royal Oak. That's not a bad thing at all - it's just ironic that price difference goes in opposite direction.

@seahammer318 4 ай бұрын

Got a baume mercier riviera in 36mm to satisfy my integrated craze. The Nivada looks nice though.

@OriginalBreezy 4 ай бұрын

Love my Riviera, I have the blue sapphire dial version.

@Th3whit3rav3n 4 ай бұрын

Good review! Brings more clarity. I don’t really like the aesthetic of either. Onwards governor!

@spex7503 4 ай бұрын

A thoughtful and worthwhile review. That said, it doesn't entirely escape from the general whiff of "I'm too good for this mainstream thing" wankiness that plagues most negative reviews of the PRX (or any popular watch). It's hard to decide what's worse: the hype, or the inevitable army of dudes in fitted sweaters claiming to be above it all.

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 If my sincerity for the things I enjoy and love comes off as "wankiness", well, not much I can do. For me to be any other way would be disingenuous, so I guess I will have to settle for wankiness! 😅😅 Thank you. Best regards, TGV

@mitchblackmore5230 4 ай бұрын

@@theurbangentry You can be a little wanky at times, but I find you're portraying a sort of 'Frasier and Niles Crane' wankiness, and it's entertaining. You're being you, you like what you like, and at the end of the day, I honestly don't think you take yourself anywhere near as seriously as you portray (or not) yourself in your videos. There's a ton of 'snob content' channels out there that take themselves way too seriously. You're more Doug DeMuro than Kirby Allison. And for the love of God, please take that as a compliment.

@spex7503 4 ай бұрын

@@theurbangentryAgain, I believe you're doing better than most and your intentions are genuine. Both watches in hand, fair(ish) comparisons - this was several rungs above the "here are some contrived reasons this watch is bad to mask the fact that I'm just sick of talking/hearing about it" diatribe that's all too common in the wake of any successful release

@PaddyMcMe 4 ай бұрын

The PRX has a VERY strict design language with extremely distinctive firm lines forming flat surfaces everywhere whilst the F77's design language isn't nearly as restrained and distinctive, it's softer and rounded, often in unexpected places like the bracelet edges or the curve in the Box Sapphire Crystal but it's the bezel where it really stands out. Ultimately for me I prefer the PRX design language and for me the Midnight Blue and Tapisserie pattern is more attractive than the F77's colour and dial pattern. That said maybe it's not the best comp, the F77 seems closer to the CW 12 than the PRX in terms of design and market placement.

@TheShane209 4 ай бұрын

Sorry I’m late commenting but I always look forward to the videos as always. While these may not be my cup of tea a TGV video always is. Thanks again for a great video

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

Late or early, your comment and its sentiments is pure class. Thank you my friend, onwards, upwards and best regards, TGV

@Keffin1 4 ай бұрын

Please get your hands on the CW The Twelve. 36mm if possible. I'm very intrigued to hear your opinion on it as it's on my shortlist atm

@c.cabanilla8963 4 ай бұрын

Bravo! Continue with the work!!

@steffenaarsnes8066 4 ай бұрын

A surprisingly one-sided review, I'd say. Not really suitable comparisons, both regarding looks and price. I don't understand much of the flack you're giving the PRX compared to the NG, like saying they should have ditched the display case-back because it would be 0.5 mm thinner, when the NG is almost 2 mm thicker without one, and you used to praise Seiko 5's for their display case-backs even though it was much more of a basic movement. And that most of the thickness of the PRX is on top of the watchcase, making it look top-heavy, but all of the thickness of the NG is below the watchcase, making it float on wrist with huge gaps and causing the bracelet to angle down abruptly. The PRX has a much more dressy bracelet too, while the NG has a dive-style bracelet with a huge clasp which is kind of disproportionate to how much the bracelet tapers. And you give so much flack to the PRX for having a disposable movement when the same could be said for most of Seiko's watches, the ability to regulate them yourself aside, as the 4R35 is cheaper to replace than to service (which doesn't dampen your praise of them), and as if it's easy to get the NG serviced most places. I don't have anything against either the PRX or the NG, but the comparison seems "artificial" to me, because they don't look or wear similar, and there's a massive price difference. It's like comparing a Speedmaster to a Daytona and roasting the Speedmaster because it's so unrefined next to the Daytona. You've made videos on both watches before as well, and several on the NG, as well as expressed your disdain for the PRX on multiple occasions, so this video seems a bit redundant and the comparison unjustified, kind of like the NG hasn't paid for itself yet and has to get another video in before it's sold off. Usually you seem quite unbiased, but this one was an unusually decisive miss, in my humble opinion. In any case, all the best, and am looking forward to the next one!

@salvadorHombre 2 ай бұрын

The NG also looks way too much like a cheap Royal Oak ripoff. The PRX clearly has RO influences with the textured dial and brushed bracelet links but it still stands as its own design. The NG looks like an AliExpress replica of an AP RO. Hard pass for me.

@river1duck 4 ай бұрын

Hi TGV. Agree. I have mixed opinions about the PRX. Somedays I see it and want it. Somedays I see it and find it boring. Can I suggest a watch to review? Not sure if you had already, but would love to hear your thoughts on Longines Spirit Zulu time. Thanks!

@keyboard.grinder 4 ай бұрын

I hear people say thats why the prx is a great part of a collection as opposed to your daily. Put it on your wrist when its a day that you love your prx🎉🎉 🎉🎉

@DarrenBates 4 ай бұрын

Great video TGV - agree with some criticisms of the PRX (quick release springbars on an integrated bracelet is very strange) and the NG is clearly a level up, but I feel you're being a tad harsh on the Powermatic 80. So much movements these days hardly ever see a watchmaker's eye. I'd almost guarantee that the 6R35 in your new Seiko was made completely by machine and came unregulated. And yes, I'm reliant on Tissot for an inevitable service, but their service costs are the cheapest in the business and they're 100% transparent when it comes to costs which I love. My €700 Gentleman has an upgraded Powermatic 80 movement (with no plastic parts), is running +1 second a day and I know that in around 7-8 years time when it comes to service it, its going to cost me around half the price of a Seiko service and with an augmented service guarantee from it.

@fergieb7564 4 ай бұрын

Great video TGV. It would be great if you could get your hands on the Zenith Defy Skyline to see how you’d like that one old boy.

@peterboyce1422 4 ай бұрын

So pleased to see Kallle Slaap of Chronoglide Watchmakers quoted today. 😊

@thewholecut 4 ай бұрын

Stick with the quartz PRX you can't go wrong! 😎

@Ishabu7 4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much TGV for such an interesting watch comparison! TGV, great job explaining the downfalls of the Tissot and where the Nivada F77 beats it! I can’t agree with you more on this! I have also experienced Tissot quality control decline and Seiko for that matter! I have noticed that more and more micro brand watch companies are offering more bang for your buck than the big companies! Great job portraying the somewhat overhyped brand legacy that Tissot has! I own the powermatic 80 Tissot also which is a nice watch that I have. But, stands no where near the other watches that I own in terms soul and personal attraction! Stay healthy and well as always! Thank you for another great video! Your watch enthusiast, (Nick L) 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻⏱️⏱️⏱️🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🦖🦖🦖

@acolm1940 4 ай бұрын

Love the content. I’m curious why you bring up Longines. They are moving away from ETA movements shared with other sister brands completely. They are going with the Omega route of exclusive ETA movements like with the De Ville. The new Zulu and Hydro GMT are amazing watches (watch base shows how unlike their sister brands, all the new movements are legitimate exclusive « in-house »).

@jensljungberg9152 4 ай бұрын

Honestly looking so much forward to a video that will shed some light on the PM80 subject. I have a certina ds action diver with the PM 80.611 (25 jewel version) and I was down at my AD last week and asked about its serviceability. The lady there told me it just goes to their own workshop like any other watch to be serviced and when I told her I had heard you need to send it in to be replaced she literally looked at me like I was stupid 😅 But I don’t think they stock any watches with the Tissot 23 jewel version so maybe they have no experience with those. Or she is a really good actor

@finnbellFCB 4 ай бұрын

For me the Mido Multifort TV Big date is the winner in this category

@leaffan9317 4 ай бұрын

Curious where you go that Delorean model. I would love to look that one up. I love my Tissot 1853 PR50 automatic silver dial. My first automatic watch (given to me)

@creato938 4 ай бұрын

Great episode as always, honestly from the two i still like the F77 more, i'm not a fan of the PRX with the waffle dial trying to pass as a RO, the F77 has it's own look and feel, it reminds me a bit of the IWC Ingenieur but still distinct enough to be it's own thing.

@Watch_yer6973 4 ай бұрын

Great video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@anthonystevens8683 4 ай бұрын

It's a fair video TGV, the NG F77 is a fine watch that punches well above its price point. As you mention the PRX is a great watch as well but has some foibles that put you off including the PM80 movement but It's worth checking the Tissot service prices for complete movement maintenance. It might be lower than you might expect and you may be surprised at what you get included. You my find that you get a 2 year guaranty on the movement as well. If I had the cash available I would also go for the F77 with the box crystal, and better bracelet and the dial. Now comparing the F77 with the CW 12 it could be a different story but I've not tried either.

@kristensorensen2219 4 ай бұрын

I think the F77 is so much more classy while the Tissot bracelet is lovely the way it opens. I have so many watches it is a waste! My latest buy is a steel case Marathon quartz with tritium lume. At about $700 it will get many years of enjoyment. I added a comfy leather strap that is so much nicer than balistic nylon. Funny intro!!👏👏

@This_Justin998 4 ай бұрын

If I'm to be honest, there hasn't been an integrated bracelet design that has really gripped me enough to want to add one to my collection. I do understand the appeal, but as far as my tastes go nothing has quite grabbed my fancy. The closest may be the Christopher Ward "The Twelve" chronometer version, but even then there are watches in the CW catalog I would choose over that.

@harry_smith 4 ай бұрын

Keen to see the smoked dial F77 when my AD gets them in, now that a UK stockist has NG on their list. Can also avoid the import duty and negotiate a discount. Great review matey

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

YESSSSSSS, or maybe nooooooooo (my wallet the latter speaking). NG killed it in 2023. I can't wait to see what they have in store for those year. I was not aware they had AD for them in the UK, very cool! Thank you Harry, Best regards, TGV

@harry_smith 4 ай бұрын

That smoked dial reminds me of the Zenith A385 revival. Love that faded brown colour, so yes TGV it’s time to check the funds lol. Goldsmith’s are now carrying them, although not heavily advertised. Cheers !

@Antek_S 4 ай бұрын

Goldsmiths?

@megaman1899 4 ай бұрын

Great video 👍😃💙

@brianpearce3882 3 ай бұрын

interested in a close-up of the Chas. Frodsham dial in the intro - the treatment of the small "s" over the dot is a very intriguing typographic maneuver

@theurbangentry 3 ай бұрын

Well observed, I have often thought about it too but never thought to question it. I guess when you grow up with a family hairloom like this, you don't really question it, you just accept it as it is. I will have to look into it now. Thank you. It nice to know where are people who appreciate such things. Best regards, TGV

@NaturesSoothingSoundscapes 4 ай бұрын

I’d really love to see a comparison between the F77 and the Twelve (sorry!). I think those 2 integrated watches are really the best “affordable” options. It would also be super interesting to compare either of those watches (or both) to a higher end option (perhaps the Czapek Antarctique) to see how much better the high end integrated watches are (or are not).

@janhansen67 4 ай бұрын

Totally agree! I have a Nivada Antarctic Diver already, love their designs, and looking at both The F77 and The CW. These two seems to be very comparable 😊

@Cravenfr 3 ай бұрын

Sold my RPX as soon as I knew about plastic component, plus it has lower and lower wrist time lately. I been a month now I kinda miss it now it's gone, but I can't get ride of the idea that it could die at any moment by faulty plastics. I don't have integrated bracelet watch anymore, I could go for a sporty Tudor North Flag or Royal, I don't feel connected to F77, if still go for a Tissot the PRX Chronograph or the fun PRX Quartz white dial full lumed. Of course Oyesterquartz would be cool to have.

@noogie13 4 ай бұрын

TGV. I bought the same Panerai. I also cannot stop wearing it. You should consider making a video about it comparing to the Explorer, it has that same incredible versatility. The F77 also looks great!

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! Genius Idea, especially as it kinda killed off the Explorer for me. I think you are maybe the only person what will get it. I will consider making the video. Enjoy your Panerai 😎👊 Best regards, TGV

@noogie13 4 ай бұрын

@@theurbangentry there is something very special with this watch in this size. I’ve lent it to three friends who all immediately understood why i can’t take it off. All three both were doubtful first. There’s some magic!!

@goCanucks 3 ай бұрын

Great and informative video comparison. Please do review CW the Twelve. I think the Twelve's three dimensional dial is the best among these Genta inspired watches.

@Mannyperez610 4 ай бұрын

I have considered to get the gold 35mm quartz and have it mod it to get the seconds hand remove. it would definitely look classier 🤔

@TheOwlGuy777 4 ай бұрын

I bought the Christopher Ward Twelve in 41mm. It's been a lovely watch so far. It was more than the PRX, but way less than the Nivada.

@Trapvision3D 4 ай бұрын

I'm considering that Twelve. Is it worth its price tag?

@TheOwlGuy777 4 ай бұрын

@@Trapvision3D I absolutely love it. With tax, it was around $1400 USD. I have zero buyer's remorse. I love the faceted bezel. The polishing on the bracelet is just amazing. The faceting reflects the light beautifully. I WNATED a Zenith Defy in steel, but they are over eight thousand dollars, this nicely fit the bill.

@Trapvision3D 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for that info. I'm looking to solidify my 2024 collection.

@vonkruel 4 ай бұрын

I think they're priced quite fairly, including the titanium versions. I'm a big fan of that SW300-1 movement CW chose for the titanium version. I have a PRX 40mm in quartz (black dial) and it's really a nice watch (especially for what I paid in the last black friday sale), but if I wanted a nicer integrated bracelet watch I'd skip right past the PRX automatics (with trash movements) and get a CW the12 (in titanium, with a nice movement). Not that the SW200-1 is bad at all -- I'd still take that over any Powermatic 80. Speaking of integrated bracelet watches like this, there's a Chinese-made watch I've got my eye on: the IX&DAO "Engineer" ( 😆yeah, I know ). They had offered it without half links when it definitely needed them, but I might just pick one up in the next sale (_with_ half links).

@samthescent 4 ай бұрын

As a newish enthusiast, I fell into the rabbit hole that is the Swatch Group (especially via their discounted Hour Passion outlets). The savings and spec proved too much of a bargain at the time, but I’m gradually selling off those pieces as my appreciation for craftsmanship grows. I don’t have any hard feelings though, as it has all been part of a longer journey of watch collecting. As you say, experience is the best teacher…

@niksoncutts 4 ай бұрын

I honestly like the quartz Tissot PRX more than the automatic one! It's way cheaper, and the original Tissot Seastar it's based on was quartz too!

@YuriUK 4 ай бұрын

2 years ago I bought PRX Quartz and absolutely love them, I would take Quartz over powermatic any day not to mention it’s cheaper and more accurate.

@mohalr98 4 ай бұрын

One of my favorite watch channels 👌

@Hard_7_Iron 4 ай бұрын

For me, the PRX Quartz is the only way to go. $250-$300 USD. You get the “beater” look and feel (love the white on white for summer), without the expense of a “throw away” automatic. You can still get it wet, and if it ever does quit working, just pop in another quartz movement. Again, I think of the PRX line as a weekend beater watch. Omega, Longines, Tudor, and even Seiko for something more substantial or day to day.

@andreleverettejr3747 4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@bestboy897 4 ай бұрын

impeccable writing. i own the prx love it to bits but I do want to add the f77 to the collection.

@Roomfulofgear 4 ай бұрын

I think your point about the PRX being "a bit of affordable fun" is how I have come to approach it. Funnily enough I also have the F77 and I appreciate both watches on their individual merits. I do wish you had shown how the watch wears on different wrist sizes jus to illustrate how the integrated bracelet design on both are frankly leaving much to be desired.

@younusimam-thesalamproject6340 4 ай бұрын

I really love those Nuun watches you showcased. Lovely.

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

VERY underrated, so glad to hear, thank you! Best regards, TGV

@sivanstar 4 ай бұрын

first video of yours ive seen and i totally disagree. not abt the prx abt the movements. i have 4 p80 watches with diff calibres. they all run great and eta can and does service the movements. its easier and faster to replace a movement than to service, for the customer. they send the old movement to be serviced and put a newly serviced one in your watch, comparing it to the sistem 51 is just wrong, atleast thats what someone who works in the industry told me. sorpod over eta? no way, not ever. i understand the hate watchmakers have against the p80 but these processes help to keep costs down like in every other industry. dont you think that a handmade car will cost more? in my collection there are bullet proof zombie apocolypse movements and i would never get a sorpod. my only issue with the p80 is i cant regulate it myself. but when i buy my certina from my local ad i get 5 year warranty and if my affordable ds+/ph200/action diver/himalaya will get stolen or damaged or whatever im not gonna cry abt it. a watch that served me perfectly for several years and was affordable. there are other things that should really upset us in the swatch group like the pisswatch or blancrap, but i wont tell that to someone who has it and to their face. btw i have several integrated bracelet watches but not a prx.

@user-boobs 4 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the old comparison videos with the tube map and the notepad hahah

@marceldiazTheOctaneGuy 4 ай бұрын

History and watches. Can’t get any better!❤

@alexbusson4414 4 ай бұрын

Wearing my PRX now, but love the look of that 35mm NG Antarctica. Think you'll review that one sometime?

@theurbangentry 4 ай бұрын

I think as NG did such a good just with the previously reviewed offerings, I will certainly cover it at some point.Duly noted and enjoy your PRX! Thank you, Best regards, TGV

@matjazi8752 4 ай бұрын

I scratched the integrated bracelet itch with the jdm Citizen ATTESA CB3015-53E. To me, it has a unique and original design that has nothing to do with G. Genta's designs.