Why I’m LEAVING Kajabi (and What I’ll Be Switching To)

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I’ve been with Kajabi for YEARS now, using them for both emails and course hosting. And now I’m leaving. Let me show you what I think is lacking from the platform, why I don’t think they’re keeping up with technology, and who I’ll be using instead to take their place.
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@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

UPDATE: I got sidelined with post covid this year, which has forced a break from YT, and haven't had a chance to create an update to this video. So here's the quick version: I'm loving XP! Since I was only using Kajabi for course hosting and already had other tools that I preferred for other aspects, I made the switch to XP solely for their course features and can't comment on every other feature. But we've seen a big uptick in member engagement, progress, and their use of the support available to them. We've also gotten lots of feedback from members on how much they love it as well. They are still releasing features and we don't use/need them all, but I am hoping the mobile app is done soon. That's my only "con" at this point. I hope to do a full update in the future. Thanks for your patience as I go through this slow recovery and conserve my limited bandwidth right now for clients and members right now!

@KatiePatrickHello Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the detailed video and update on XP! And sorry to hear of covid :( Can you share what platform you think is best for the funnel, landing pages, and emails? Can this all be done in XP?

@pickavana8056 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting this. Would love to see a video on what you love about XP and if you have discovered any shortcomings, as you did with Kj.

@rhlraghuwanshi Жыл бұрын

Are you not facing any login issues?

@davidsals8020 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video and the tip on Xperiencify. I'm definitely checking it out. I hope you have fully recovered from your covid experience.

@Roberto-Escobar 9 ай бұрын

Tara do you have long COVID? Google polyvagal theory, that helped me heal from severe long COVID. My channel has more information on how I healed.

@ACompassionateHeartSchool Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this was super helpful. I hope you're feeling better with each day! 🌷

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

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@AnneliSchmidt 2 жыл бұрын

This was great! I'm a beginner course creator, and my friends are using Kajabi. I didn't think it would be a good fit, but this looks really interesting. I love the ability to have community off of other social media! I'm going to check it out.

@IanWhiteMaher 2 жыл бұрын

Is this page built in Xperiencify or on another platform

@yeverett4533 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tara! I wrote a long, unbiased, and thorough comment on Graham's YT page where he was reviewing your video about Kajabi, only to have him delete it because I said I agreed with everything you said in your video. I now realize and will not believe anything he says moving forward and will not be viewing any of his videos because I don't particularly care for people who only tell the good about a product and not the bad, especially when they are an affiliate. I know Graham is the highest earning affiliate with Kajabi and now I see why - it's basically all he talks about and promotes. He did a review of your video because he knows you are a reliable and credible source and your video would sway people who watch it away from Kajabi. Instead of simply refuting what you said with no proof, he should have shown viewers that Kajabi could do what you've shown it cannot do. Kajabi was once the leader when it came to hosting a course but not anymore due to its lack of design, development, and focus. I too stopped using Kajabi's email marketing, checkout pages, and pipelines because they are not useful, even if you are just starting out because you are very limited in what you can do. And their coaching platform is worthless, I wouldn't advise anyone to use it. I am now looking for a membership platform that will keep members engaged and moving forward. When Kajabi started the owners, Travis and Kenny, were more focused on customers and developing the platform. However, that started to change prior to Travis leaving, which was one of the reasons for the fallout and Travis leaving the company, which is why Kajabi's design and software development has suffered. Thanks for your unbiased and honest review of Kajabi!

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen his video yet but I am sorry he deleted your comment. Nothing is 100% perfect for everyone; it's important we all know the pros and cons for anything so we can choose what makes the most sense for us.

@yeverett4533 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner I agree, thank you for your unbiased review of Kajabi.

@jeffmcelroy3261 Жыл бұрын

Wow, Tara! I’m impressed. Not only is your video helpful, but your thorough comments and replies are, as well! Thank you! I’m saddened to hear your health was so significantly impacted and pray for a full recovery soon! Just stumbled onto you as I was researching a new option for my course and community, which have been on Learndash on WP. I’m no coder, so it’s been a challenge keeping up with all the different pieces of the WP ecosystem. All that makes the thought of an all-in-one like Kajabi enticing. Hang in there and feel better soon. I’ve subscribed to your channel and look forward to learning more!

@MeetKevon Жыл бұрын

So good! Thank you Tara! First time getting on your channel and this video is so GREAT. I've tried and seen so many course platforms and they're so boring - just information on each page. They do nothing to help the students. I am super interested in trying this out :)

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

That's great feedback - I'm glad you enjoyed it. Are you currently using a specific platform for a course that you have, or looking into it for use in the near future?

@movetosouthscottsdale 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to your next video with more details!!

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! More to come soon. :)

@theholisticmindwithsoniamo5555 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video, found it really helpful and honest. I'm looking forward your new video for XP and curious why you didn't consider Mighty Networks?

@michaelzehnder3040 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the content. Very helpful

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

You're so welcome! Are you currently using Kajabi?

@Planeviz 2 жыл бұрын

Very useful info, thank you.

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful for you! Do you currently use Kajabi?

@JohnOakes 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I have my course all done and no where to put it lol This was helpful

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Haha nice!! This vid was perfect timing for you then. :)

@annatataruch Жыл бұрын

Great stuff! Thank you ♥️

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@missrhondam 2 жыл бұрын

I've never heard of this until this video and I'm working on my first course and because of this video I will give it a try! I was hesitant about creating courses simply because I don't complete them and don't know many people that do so I've been doing live and one on one options. I'm hopefully that these tools will help people to complete courses. I too am starting with the Growth plan. Thank you for taking the time to create this video.

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! I'm glad you were able to find this video just in time. :) Let me know how you like it.

@missrhondam Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner yes, looking forward to watching your update on your experience with them now that you've had it for a few months now.

@RyanYewell 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, really appreciate you showing your cards a bit in what you are using. REALLY looking forward to your review of XPERIENCIFY. My background is video production, I manage the website, Facebook page, and (admittedly not so expert) graphic design for my wife's beauty shop here in Kigali, Rwanda. My wife and I have been toying with the idea of moving towards more service/info/advice vs simply selling products (as she is always giving advice at the when customers buy products at the shop, as HOW you use the products is as important, if not more, than just the purchase). We've been realizing we need to step up our game (email marketing, tutorials, rewards programs, etc), though having 2 small kids, a full-time job (me) and a fuller-time business (her) some days just making it through is an accomplishment. But we need to work smarter on the business to grow it, and for our clients to get more out of it. Am inspired to see this content, thank you very much for taking the time to share!

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Ryan, thanks! Glad you found this video helpful. Kudos to you and your wife for running a successful biz with 2 small-kids running around while managing your other roles. It's doable with management, streamlining and being intentional with our biz, right? So, I'm interested to hear more. How long has the beauty salon been in business?

@RyanYewell 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner Our business has been around for 6 years. Definitely things are doable just some days it feels like just trying to keep your head above water with the day to day.

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

"Keeping our head above water" is practically the battle cry of the entrepreneur! Meaning, you're def not alone there. It's the main thing I do - help entrepreneurs get out o that overwhelming/burnt out stage and create more time freedom in their biz. Have you seen my free class? There might be a few Aha moments to help you guys out. It's linked in the About section of this vid description if not. Hang in there. You can do this. xo

@RyanYewell 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner I'll check out your About section. Thanks for mentioning!

@WhatWouldKarlaSay Жыл бұрын

I have learned so much from you since finding you a week or so ago!

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad to hear that! Fave takeaways?

@KathySierraVideo Жыл бұрын

Can't thank-you enough for this video. I've been happy with Kajabi for 7 years, but I've hit a wall on the learner experience side and started investigating other options. If not for this video, I'd never have known about Xperiencify. I have a question though: In Kajabi, I used it for all my pages -- landing pages, and even my home page. Are people doing this in Xperiencify? Or... at what point do you link people to your Xperiencify course?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Because I have a website of my own, I build all my pages on my own site and use XP the same way I used Kajabi - just for hosting the course. So clients get linked to XP when they've purchased a course. I haven't looked into all their features yet since I don't need them all, so I'm not sure if there's a way to do public facing landing pages or not.

@KathySierraVideo Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner thank-you… I finally decided against XP for *now* because as much as I love what they are doing, it’s missing too many things for me. However, your video still inspired (and convinced) me that I could step away from Kajabi. In the end, I realized my needs require more control over code, so I am going to accept the tradeoff of having to do a lot more work myself - using a non-course-specific platform - but in return I won’t keep bumping into walls. XP has the most learner-focused capability built-in, and I can imagine a year from now maybe the limits I’m talking about will be lifted as they build out their features. But for me it DOES matter to have my entire website in the same domain/server as the courses.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

What's the one that let's you build your own on WP - Member Press maybe? There are a few others that let you self-host. They are usually a lot cheaper but a LOT more tech needed. If you have the skill it's totally worth it; if you don't it quickly becomes a drain on your time and ability to focus on income producing activities. I know a good tech gal if you need her - google Renee @ Get a Geek in Your Pocket. :)

@Mr.EKmusic 2 жыл бұрын

This looks awesome. I am creating a course for my music students and the learning experience in the other programs just don't have style points kids need!

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Yes, XP and the gamification would be great for the kiddos. Are you thinking about giving it a try?

@Mr.EKmusic 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner Currently building and testing in experiencify!

@toniastoney9023 Жыл бұрын

@@Mr.EKmusic what’s your thoughts and experiences with XP since your trial period?

@kc8181 8 ай бұрын

Thanks. Very helpful. I would love to know how you got on, and whether you regretted leaving Kujabi.

@TaraWagner 8 ай бұрын

I don't regret it one bit! As with anything, there's no one program that's right for everyone but I'm LOVING Xperiencify and so are my "students". I get feedback all the time on how much fun it makes the process and I see more engagement from them. I haven't tracked the before and after data closely (and I still want to do a follow-up video at some point) but I def think it's worth checking out if your client's success rate is important to you!

@roxnroll8050 Жыл бұрын

Such a great video! Very helpful and perfectly timed for me ;) Looks like there's been a price jump since this video - ouch! haha BTW, will you be creating the follow up video really getting into xperiencify?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Along with the price jump you will notice some pretty awesome additions to the course! And, yes, I'll be creating a follow-up video to the XP video soon. Still loving the platform, just giving myself and my clients time to adjust. XP is continuously coming out with new features too - so, that's exciting!

@roxnroll8050 Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner - honestly I never heard of XP till this video - so I'm not sure what cool additions they added with the price jump since this video. But I am seriously considering them now. Can you add tracking pixels on all their pages, and can you split test everything? (ex. headlines on sales pages, subjects in emails, etc)

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Great Qs! I haven't been paying close enough attention to new additions (it's honestly too much to keep up with - they release new stuff constantly as they're still growing a lot). I believe you can add pixels though I haven't tested it myself. I don't use their sales pages/carts bc I already have something I like and didn't want to switch those things (I just use this for the courses themselves). I haven't seen an option to split test emails within the courses - that would be a great request to put in!

@christophkral4021 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tara, Love your video and thanks for sharing all your insights. I am about to setup my own learning platform and just in the process of evaluating. So I definitely look forward to learn more about your experiences with Xperiencify. Do you know if they offer multi-language capabilities and if they are GDPR compliant - which is key for any platform offering services in Europe? Thanks, Christoph

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Christoph, that's really exciting! I'm unsure of the multi-language capabilities and if they are GDPR compliant. However, they really are awesome to work with. I recommend reaching out for a test drive to get all of your Q's answered. :)

@christophkral4021 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner Hi Tara, thanks for coming back. I will follow your recommendation and check with the XP team. I will let you know what the outcome is. Have a great day, Christoph

@jmaatgreen7894 Жыл бұрын

@@christophkral4021 Hi Christoph did you confirm multi-language capability?

@rund8fit Жыл бұрын

@@christophkral4021 Hi Christoph, did you get a response from them reg. GDPR and mulit-language capability?

@thewindow9952 Жыл бұрын

Tara, thanks for the perspective. In these platforms with the monthly charges such as Kajabi and Xperiencify, what happens when you end a course. Do you have to keep paying forever for students to maintain access even if you decide to discontinue the course? I currently use a platform that charges a % of sales so this problem doesn't exist but looking to use a US platform for the US market

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Good question! Yes with most platforms you pay monthly to keep your account and student access active. What MOST course creators do when they're ready to retire a course (or retire altogether) is notify course members multiple times over several months and give a way to download and keep content for life (for example, moving all content into a Google Drive, allowing students to download from the drive, then deleting the files at a set date). This helps you NOT lose your profit with systems that take a portion of sales as you start to scale.

@thewindow9952 Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner Fantastic, thank you

@OliviaSmithR Жыл бұрын

Love your insights. Can you also share your thoughts on Vonza?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Never heard of it!

@PounceAnalytics Жыл бұрын

Hi Tara, I subscribed and searched your vids and did not find your follow video about your experience with XP? Can you link?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Great question! I haven't posted a follow-up video of my XP experience just yet but will let you know when its live. I am still very much loving and enjoying XP. :)

@dr.afsoonghazvinian902 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video Tara! How is your experience so far with Xperiencify in the past few months? How engaged do you see your clients with these gamified tools? Also, may I ask what platform do you recommend to build the company website?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Great questions! XP is still going great for us. We are loving the gamification and how encouraged and inspired the clients feel going through the course. While our course is on XP our website is on WP and we are enjoying both platforms so far! What are you using right now?

@dr.afsoonghazvinian902 Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner Thank you! I am using Thinkific for my online courses and my website. It certainly has its limitations, and the fact that my students have to login to the course every time, had been a frustration for some. Is it an easier experience with Xperiencify? as far as having the info at their fingertips when they need them?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Hmm perhaps? Xp offers a "magic link" so they don't have to manually log in, if that's what you mean. They are still working on an app though and I'm anxiously awaiting that one.

@formlessss Жыл бұрын

Hi Tara, thank you for the video. Not sure if you are familiar with SquareSpace membership access. I currently have a website on SS with a fully functioning E-commerce store, however for my most premium product, I wish to build an industry standard programme that integrates the website. Just wanted to ask whether you would recommend doing it on SS or paying more and building it elsewhere?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Hi Damien! This is a really wonderful question. Before providing you with an answer can you share what type of e-commerce store you currently have and what what members have access to on your website?

@formlessss Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner Hey Tara, thank you for the prompt response. I have a fitness website whereby I sell a mixture of online coaching, informational packs and full on transformational programmes. My most premium product however I'd like to make into a course which has different modules, videos and interactive ways of learning. Hence why I am wondering if it is best to do it in one place (SS) or opt for something like Kajabi and give the user a full on "programme" experience. I'd love to hear your thoughts :)

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Truthfully, I don't think there is any "one perfect platform" that fits for everyone. And all of them CAN work, even if imperfectly. My BEST advice would be to tell you to pick something "for now", even if it's not perfect, so you're not hung up on the decision for too long. Give yourself a deadline to research and then eenie-meenie-miney-mo the decision, knowing you can (and likely will) upgrade later. I see too many people get hung up on the little details and stall on the big stuff (like making sales) so I definitely don't want that for you! "Beta now, better later" I've heard it said!

@formlessss Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner Thank you Tara, definitely agree with you. Think I’ll just stick with SS for now since it’s where I have my site currently. Appreciate you taking the time to respond!

@klaudiatolman Жыл бұрын

hey, and how about some update about Xperiencify? Are you happy with your choice after half a year of using it?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

I am! I've had to take a break from FB due to health issues but XP is going great. Our members all really love it. My only complaint is that - as with any new platform - there are kinks. For instance, they had an issue with slow loading pages over the summer. But they were quick to upgrade servers. And they're still knocking out new features like crazy. I'm impatiently awaiting the app, personally. lol

@lapenseevisuelleaveccynthi3488 2 жыл бұрын

May I ask you what do you use for your funnels / freebies / opt-in page with your new stack ? As Kajabi (or am on NewZenler) does it, and Xperiencify doesn't ? Thank you :)

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

That's a great question! I loved Kajabi for years - it does so much. It really does! However, the move to XP for me was really about the clients and what would motivate them to engage, and grow. Stay tuned for more, I will be doing a review on XP after being in it for a few months. I'm looking forward to sharing what I love and what I don't love.

@lapenseevisuelleaveccynthi3488 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner thank you :) Just a quick re question > what do you then use for landing pages, opt in, funnels etc? Active Campaign or Wrodpress maybe? Thank you

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

I use Wordpress personally. I didn't like KJ's landing pages because you had to have one of the highest paid tiers to implement Facebook pixels and other custom code.

@addskillity5894 Жыл бұрын

Do I need a website like wordpress for this or where do the courses show up? I don't want to have wordpress. Thats why I rather have a LMS platform.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

That's a great question! Xperiencify and Kajabi can be utilized on their own without a website. In fact, they have the look of a website so that you won't need one. It really depends on the features that you are hoping to utilize from each platform.

@brandidavis1804 Жыл бұрын

Really good video!

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@pickavana8056 Жыл бұрын

Do you think that certain platforms are better for computer programming courses? How do you get people to know about your courses wherever you decide to host them?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

I think the biggest factor to consider is not so much your content (although that matters) but your AUDIENCE. What do they need, love, or find helpful? re: marketing your courses is a whooooole other topic that needs a courses (or 12 lol) of its own to cover, but I teach people how to boil it down to 3 options, based on your stage of business and abilities: connections (networking, referrals, getting in front of other audiences), content (building your own audience with search friendly content), and ads (usually comes only when you have the capital to invest). There are pros and cons to each and different things are right for different industries, stages of biz, etc. If you want you can scope out more about my approach on my site: xotara.us/training

@baltazarconsulting 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tara! Can you briefly comment on Xperiencify's ability to run live courses, perhaps integrating Zoom?

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Great question! Xperiencify is primarily for increasing productivity for online courses not live courses. However, if you are hoping to create Zoom rooms for personal connection, the platform is great for linking out but there are no live capability options at this time. Maybe reach out to XP to learn a little more if it will fit your needs.

@_DeskDemon 2 жыл бұрын

Basically you can do a Zoom, then just upload the Zoom into the course. It isn't within Xperiencify but it really makes no difference, it all goes right into a replay.

@alexbainov Жыл бұрын

Since you already had ThriveCart, have you considered their Learn+ system amd conpare that to XP?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

No I didn't. I'm sure it's good too but it was the gamification from XP that I was really after.

@JoshuaCarvalho1 Жыл бұрын

This is great! I was about to subscribe to Kajabi, but now I'm really curious about Xperiencify, but using 3 platforms simultaneously seems daunting. After looking at their platform a bit, it appears that they have funnels, email marketing, etc. Why not do everything Xperiencify? Are they strong on the course experience, but weak in everything else? Is that why you're staying with two other platforms? Can you do a video on why and how you use all three platforms, how you integrate them? Basically, I feel like you just sold me on using Xperiencify, but that twist at the end of the video that you only will use it along two other platforms is making me not want to pull the trigger on Xperiencify.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Hi Joshua! I do plan to do another video when I'm able. I'm choosing not to use their other features because I already used other platforms that I love for what I need. I only needing course hosting so that's all I setup when I moved over. Were I not already established with the others (or were I newer to biz), I might have used all the features. It's important to look at vids like this only as "what one person uses" and not "what everyone should do". Test out all their features and let me know what you think!

@JoshuaCarvalho1 Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner Thanks for responding to my comment. I really appreciate it. I'm still on the fence between Kajabi and Xperiencify. I guess I'll test the trail version of both and see how I like them. Thanks!

@thoughtworkinstitute Жыл бұрын

Hey Tara! Wondering how your experience has been with this platform now that some time has passed. I am really considering switching from Kajabi.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

We are still loving Xperiencify! Have you given it a test run yet? The gamification and action items for clients to accomplish are awesome! :)

@YourLifeRE 2 жыл бұрын

Do you have an affiliate link to try xperiencify

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Here you go, Michelle: try.xperiencify.com/a/7c8a3e33 Let me know what you think once you give XP a try!

@laurahamilton6528 Жыл бұрын

Hey Tara, what are you feelings regarding Xperiencify four months or so down the track?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Hey Laura!! So far, I am still loving the gamification aspect of XP and I really enjoy how motivated my clients feel going through the course via XP. It's a game-changer! Have you tried it yet?

@Sellcourses 2 жыл бұрын

Hmm interesting take and concept! While I tend to agree that not everything is extremely customizable inside Kajabi --- I would argue that that level of customization is required for most course-based businesses. I've been able to find great ways to gamify Kajabi course portals & really increase the user experience & completion rates without external apps but this CP looks interesting! I'm not ready to move away from Kajabi just yet but appreciate your perspective!

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your perspective as well. It's always nice to hear what works for others and what may not work for others. What's your favorite feature from Kajabi right now?

@brydonbrett7783 Жыл бұрын

Hello! I'm very interested in how you've gamified Kajabi. I'm not totally sold yet on Xperiencify mainly because it's such a new kid on the block, but I'm in the research phase right now. Would you be willing to share what you've done on Kajabi to gamify? I feel like it's such an important part of course-building moving forward.

@Jumplift 2 жыл бұрын

This is a great video.. have you heard of mighty networks? If so what are your thoughts?

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't! Can you share more details about this? Have you used it before?

@thomasklein.consulting 8 ай бұрын

03:00 very good point!

@fflwff 4 ай бұрын

I can't find an update! Does this mean that you regret leaving Kajabi? I want to create online Felting classes. There is a limit to the price point I demand due to my who. Kajabi is very expensive as I have no idea how successful my class/ classed will be.

@TaraWagner 4 ай бұрын

I don't regret leaving Kajabi. I love using xperiencify to house my courses and thrivecart as my carts!

@CoachDavidH Жыл бұрын

Xperfiency looks AMAZING! Thanks for sharing that. As for Active Campaign, the automations are beautiful but do keep an eye on email deliverability. I tried to migrate to them back in 2018 from Aweber and it was a nightmare. Half the open rates of Aweber. Their deliverability team tried to blame me and my "niche". I did a bunch of side by side email gateway tests to show them that they were full of it, and as soon as I switched back to Aweber all was well. Mind you, this was past the 60-day grace period many email providers say they need so that deliverablity migration can be dialed in. Yeah Aweber is rudimentary compared to AC in terms of automations, but if the Ferrari (beautiful automations) only goes 15 miles per hour with a janky engine (crap deliverablity), who cares about the fancy design and paint job. Keep an eye on it, and you'll notice immediately, and don't let them eff with you like they did me, if that happens. Cut my business in half, and caused major issues as I relied heavily on email for booking strategy sessions. Email deliverablity rate is a massive thing, and not often thought about because it's very backend.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Yes, I am still loving XP!! :) Also, thanks for the tip on the email deliverability. It's always helpful to continue staying in the know because email marketing is so important for businesses right now. Thanks - super helpful.

@CoachDavidH Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner I freakin' love email marketing! Yes I hope you won't be affected or they resolved that issue at AC. FYI I cut back to Aweber and everything restored to normal, though it took 3 months to figure it out.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Yeah we haven't had any issues so maybe it was a weird glitch they fixed? Glad you got it sorted though because that's the worst!

@TinaSoriano Жыл бұрын

Hi there thank you for this video. I'm just starting out. How are you feeling about his platform now?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Hi Tina! Great question - still loving it. The gamification really encourages clients to dive into the material and find consistency in learning the material. Have you tried XP out yet?

@TinaSoriano Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner I was about to try kartra but I heard accessally had a great platform for encouraging course completion and I know they have a membership program too. I am looking for a bigger than life membership where everyone can be seen if they want to, that lively. This platform, although I'm just looking into it seems it could be great for both but right now they don't have an app. How's their other necessary components, lead pages, content building, campaign management etc, tech support?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

We don't use a lot of those features so I'm not the best person to answer that. You can get a free trial with our affiliate link (in the description) to play around with it. I suggest doing that with multiple platforms you're considering and going with what best fits your vision. And yes - no app yet but it is in development and the website is very mobile friendly so it hasn't been a hinderance at all. (For now we encourage people to create a "shortcut" which creates an app like button on their phone for quick access but I can't wait for the app either!)

@davedrinkwater8508 8 ай бұрын

amazing video

@TaraWagner 8 ай бұрын

Glad it was useful!

@mikeburke1993 Жыл бұрын

Very impressive tara

@karenbrakebarge3022 Жыл бұрын

Did you ever do a second review on Xperiencify?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Not yet! I got sidelined with post-covid syndrome and it forced me to stop making videos for a time. I hope to get back to it soon but I'm not sure when. Short update though: We're loving it and so are our students! We've seen a significant uptick in engagement and progress made through the content and heard from many that they love the gamification. I don't use all their other features because I only needed a course host, but I definitely am happy I made the switch!

@juliakirst Жыл бұрын

You are so right, Tara! I really wanted to love Kajabi and bought the 3 months promo. I had even put Kajabi in my budget for 2023. But after playing with it for about 4 hours for my website, courses and email marketing, I decided NOT to use Kajabi. Took me a day to even be able to write about it, I was so upset. In a nutshell, this all-in-one platform may have been the best thing on the market 5 years ago, but not now. It simply does not allow for the kind of quick customization that we are used to today. For starters, anybody who uses Canva on a regular basis will be disappointed at having to save every change before seeing it on the screen. It is clunky like my first website builder... years ago. For the price (and all the advertising on youtube) of Kajabi, I was expecting much more. What a let down.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Julia, your concerns and opinions are SO valid! After reflecting on the needs for you and your biz, have you decided on a different platform to use?

@juliakirst Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner I'm keeping my current tech stack, even though I wanted to move to an all-in-one platform. (I tried and lost money with Kartra last year, hiring a specialist - another affiliate youtuber - to move my website over, but was so unhappy with the results that I gave up.) I will stay with my excellent providers for each part of my business and wait for all-in-ones to get better. Perhaps in a few years. But really, one has to wonder if the Kajabi evangelists on youtube really use it, or fake it for the affiliate money they get by promoting it! If I didn't mind dealing with their wrath, I would also create a why I dumped Kajabi video. The reasons are many and easy to explain. I'm glad you were not afraid of being a lone voice out there. Thanks, Tara.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Haha wrath is right. And I'm sure (or sure hope) they use it. But we each have different needs and preferences and nothing will fit for everyone. Sadly it does take way too much trial and error to find what we love. Your business, your rules! I'm glad you have something that will work for you!

@crystallearvin49 Жыл бұрын

@Julia Kirst Do you mind if I ask what your tech stak is? And what kind of business you have?

@Dominicd6969 Жыл бұрын

Hi there, have you created an updated video on your new platform? do you still think its worth leaving Kajabi? I am having issues because my students cannot upload their work for me to mark.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

That is a great question! I have taken a hiatus away from new YT videos for now. However, yes, I am still loving Xperiencify and so are my clients. I'm not sure how they would upload their work within XP's platform though. Maybe linking it out to a folder that you check? What platform are you currently using?

@MrHardbodies Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner thank you for your response! Atm I’m using Discord to have my students post their work in. But a lot people find it overwhelming to use. I myself don’t like it. Atm I have placed my course on Kajabi but I’m unsure about it now. Just to clarify, with XP you can add external plugins and have your website on Wordpress but connected to XP?

@yogawithalanna Жыл бұрын

you might want to look at learn worlds

@Mrjononotbono Жыл бұрын

Interesting, what happens if your course stops selling? Do you have to just keep paying this monthly subscription for the rest of time because existing students, will have to have lifetime access. This seems like a bad idea to me. Paying Xpericify forever even when not making sales? Hopefully this isn't right?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Just like most platforms, you pay for what is being used. If a person stops selling a course and you won't be using the platforms anymore, the way this is usually handled is to notify and allow members a 30 day window to go in and download all content (or put the content into something like a Google folder so they can download in one go) before the program gets retired. If your course just isn't making sales, then that's a marketing problem and needs to be tackled head on. You don't want to worry about having business expenses (they're inevitable)...you want to focus on what you need to do continuously to out-earn those expenses.

@DefenseNinjas Жыл бұрын

In Xperiencify, can you let people book calls with you?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Good question! I'd reach out to XP - their customer service is great and they know allllll the features, current and future, whereas I only know about the ones I use.

@xiomanaxoxoxo3212 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video- looks great. but I guess you may out grown it. but I have to say it looked amazing.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

It certainly can be for some businesses! That's why it's so important to do your homework, and look at reviews from non-affiliates and affiliates alike.

@laurenFRitz Жыл бұрын

does this have a mobile app? I can't tell from their website but I think no since they don't mention it or you. How does it look on mobile phones since most people do everything on their phones these days - thank you!

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

That's a great question! They don't have a mobile app currently, but have been working on one. For now, it's actually pretty easy to use via any mobile device.

@laurenFRitz Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner awesome! thank you so much for replying!

@JarrettHolmes Жыл бұрын

You really need to do a follow up on this video and your experience with Experiencify.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

I knowwwwww! I had to take an extended hiatus from YT due to health limitations and have shifted my focus to marketing avenues that don't need my energy/bandwidth for the time being so that my more limited energy can go toward clients and members of our programs. But it's on my wish list for things I want to do as soon as I have the capacity. Suffice to say, we're loving it! It's not perfect (nothing is) but our student success rate is higher than ever. Only drawback I've found so far (for my needs anyway) - the damn app is STILL pending launch.

@shanewaterman4125 2 жыл бұрын

There's a basic rule in life and business - never put all your eggs in one basket. ANY 'all in one' system for anything ALWAYS has drawbacks AND presents an ever-present threat to a business- I.e. you're putting EVERYTHING in someone else's hands! Yes, I can see 'an' argument for an all-in-one, and that's ease of use for someone looking for simplicity. But that simplicity usually comes at a price - or rather, cost - down the line as you've experienced with embedding pixels etc. I'll take a look at Xperiencify (although I'm not convinced the gamification is right for my audience unless it can be fully customised). As for the 'rebuttle' video now posted by 'Graham' - words fail me! Credibility out the window in one go. Thanks for posting this video. Really appreciated.

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

You are most welcome! Once you check out XP I'd love to hear what you think of it and if the gamification will end up working for your audience or not. Best of luck!

@shanewaterman4125 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner I can see why Graham etc are so keen to attack anyone suggesting Kajabi might be anything less than the perfect solution to everyone's problem - they get 30% recurring affiliate commission!!! I'd sell my Grannie for that! 🤣 Just do the arithmetic- 1000 subscribers at $199 pm is $66k per month!!!

@tildemogensen2837 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for being honest! What do you think about this tool called Coursefunnels? Do you have any experience with it? It seems super affordable and also has all the features needed for a course creation platform.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

I'm not familiar with Coursefunnels at the moment. Are you looking into using it moving forward? If so, weigh the pros and cons and make a decision based on what fits your biz best (don't settle).

@GeorgiexoxoTV 2 жыл бұрын

So interesting listening to why you made the switch! For me, I'm with New Zenler and SO happy! xoxo

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

New Zenler is a new one for me. I'd love to hear more. What do you love about it?

@GeorgiexoxoTV 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner it is basically Kajabi but 10000x more! You can host webinars, Zooms, email marketing, courses all within the platform but it’s currently just $60 a month. So happy I found it! Xoxo

@lapenseevisuelleaveccynthi3488 2 жыл бұрын

@@GeorgiexoxoTV on New Zenler too :) still I find that Xperiencify is quite amazing too / for course experience

@murraygray 2 жыл бұрын

While they do an amazing amount of stuff, there's no gamification on Zenler though, which is where the magic really lies for your students!

@JohnOakes 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been with XP ever since this video told me about it. There’s a lot to like but I’m really not sure the gamification makes much difference in course completion rates. There are a lot of little things that make XP cumbersome, too many to list here.

@murraygray 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support John! TBH - it all depends on how the gamification is used to be honest John. Our system is flexible enough to allow folks to do it in ways that their audience doesn't respond to. That said, our stats show that when properly applied, the completion rates jump by 10 to 30 times. Happy to gift you an enrollment into Course Profit Accelerator, my 3 hour masterclass on how to apply all this stuff in the right way. Just drop us an email and let us know. RE: being cumbersome, yep, as with any software, there are still a few rough edges to work on and we're dealing with them as fast as we can. But it's getting easier and more intuitive with every passing week. If there's anything in particular that you'd like to bring to my attention, feel free to drop me a direct email at murray@xperiencify.com

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! I've definitely seen much more engagement in the content and completion with mine. Maybe there are some other factors at play, like your audience needs? What is your course about?

@theprodigy4202 Жыл бұрын

@@murraygray hey Murray, does XP have their mobile app launched yet?🤔

@murraygray Жыл бұрын

@@theprodigy4202 Not yet. It's quite costly to develop these things, so we're waiting until we can afford to do it properly.

@jennmwmusic Жыл бұрын

Following up - did you decide to stick with Xperiencify? Pros/cons?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Yes! We're still with them! Unfortunately I got sick last year and had to use my limited time and energy in other more crucial areas of my biz so I haven't been able to do an updated video but you can see some comments I've left to others. Overall we're loving it!

@jennmwmusic Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner So sorry to hear of your illness. Glad that your folks are still loving the platform!

@NetishaAlieGrant 2 жыл бұрын

Is this platform international? I have an issue with this because I find based on where you are in the world these platforms gives you limits

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Great question! I've seen other international coaches use Xperiencify as well. However, definitely do some digging on your own and see if it meets your needs with where you live.

@murraygray 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, XP is definitely multi-lingual. You can even have 1 course in one language and another course in a 2nd, etc...

@DariaAkina 11 ай бұрын

Do they have mobile app? For me it`s the most important thing. My students don`t use desktop

@TaraWagner 11 ай бұрын

I totally get that! They're working on an app now. In the meantime, I show my course members how to create their own app/shortcut (It basically turns the homepage into a button that looks like an app on their device but when they tap it, it opens in the browser) since the website works great on mobile.

@DariaAkina 11 ай бұрын

@@TaraWagner do you know when they will realised it? I August I will launch my course, and if they won't did the app, I'm going to have to use kajabi. But to be honest, I want to start right away from perfect platform. Maybe I can wait, if they could launch the app at least in September

@TaraWagner 11 ай бұрын

I haven't been paying close attention but you can reach out to them via email. They're usually really good about responding back quickly.

@palomahealing5073 Жыл бұрын

I might just not do a Course after all? Cos I just found out it's $119. for the Basic plan. 🤔🤔🤔😒

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's hard to find a good platform for less these days. But ANY business has biz expenses. But done well, and you'll earn much more and be doing something you love.

@circlerevival Жыл бұрын

Sooooo..... I'm really curious to know how you are liking it?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

We are still loving XP - the gamification, the interaction and the client engagement. It's all pretty awesome! :)

@hanifjalil9771 Жыл бұрын

Does Experiencify have option to whitelabel apps?

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Not that I'm aware of BUT I don't keep up with every feature, simply because I don't use them all. I'd reach out and see if they have it or if it's in the pipeline.

@murraygray Жыл бұрын

Yes, on our Enterprise plan it's possbile Hanif

@_DeskDemon 2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE Xperiencify!

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! What's your favorite part about XP?

@wishuponadisney 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner it is really pretty easy to do, fun to create celebrations, the xps get my students trying .. lol. (There are some competitive people!) and seriously, the gamification and how they lead you into it with the theories really has helped me get more people to finish the course and see (or prove to themselves they did get results)

@kyrareneeLOA 20 күн бұрын

I like the clean look. For someone who is not tech savvy. I am with Wix. Kajabi looks clean for basic .. I dislike... 5 to 6 integrations. Even with courses, I like it easy. I will keep the other in mind. Oh heck no on urgency. Pressure, nope.

@radiancefitness Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what we needed. A gamification platform.

@j.singer8461 6 ай бұрын

Would love to get feedback on their customer service.

@TaraWagner 6 ай бұрын

Kajabi's or Xperiencify? XP's is phenomenal. KJ has been too long to give a fair assessment.

@soulcoach.sophie Жыл бұрын

Simply reading the comments and noting that someone affiliated with Kajabi has thrown his toys out of the pram leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I haven't watched his video. I don't need to. Your video seems honest and your response sound in integrity. Refreshing. Thank you.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

HA! I'm gonna have to use that analogy. 😂 To be fair, he made some good points but I think the biggest takeaway that anyone should keep in mind is that there is no "one perfect fit" for every business owner. We all have different goals, needs, desires, ideas and we all need to do our research, see what works for others, and decide what will work for us.

@MrNakhann Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner The other take away is that his whole business is about his Kajabi affiliate program 😂

@ohhiguy Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner What does throwing the toys out of the pram mean? to behave in a very bad-tempered way because something has gone wrong. This is a time for cool heads and calm consideration. We should not react with a childish tantrum and throw our toys out of the pram. Synonyms and related words. To express anger. In case someone does not know the expression.

@WallyJ2K 7 ай бұрын

Great video, though my inner 6th grade boy jumped out at 16:37 - "I can't actually show you my backend, because it's kind of a mess..." 😇

@TaraWagner 7 ай бұрын

BAHAHA *my* inner 6th grader just LOL'd at your comment!

@heartstrings110 Жыл бұрын

Kajabi does have the ability to upsell and funnels, I heard.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

To an extent but the set up and options are more limited...of course this could've changed since I left a year ago.

@CandessMCampbell 2 жыл бұрын

Kajabi has good reviews because of the network marketing. There are major issues with email and support. I paid over $3500 to have the website build because the site is not user friendly and the videos do not match the site. After 20 minutes of trying to get one photo on the site and it continually messing up, I realized the lie. My WP site - thank God I kept it is much better! Getting out now!

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you are finding and exploring options that work for you. Kajabi is definitely a preference, so once you find what works for you shift there and rock it out. Let us know how your new platform works!

@billwdwc Жыл бұрын

great video. However maybe it's just me but this whole gamification thing seems childish to me. I really don't need a "yah" sound or some balloons gif every time i watch a 3 min video. That really won't make me do a course more . What will is the content of the course.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Well it's a good thing my course content is good. ;) But you're right, not every student you have will want the same things. But many will. What matters is finding the perfect combo of fun and focused for you AND your people.

@angstrom1058 Ай бұрын

"I can't show you my back end because it's kind of a mess" :)

@TaraWagner Ай бұрын

Hahaha I see we think alike!

@learnkajabi 2 жыл бұрын

☝🏻Kajabi is actually amazing. Just need the right orientation :-)

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

It has it's benefits but I'm definitely loving Xperiencify better - and so are my members!

@Sellcourses 2 жыл бұрын

100% agree

@OnlineGrowthEntrepreneur 6 ай бұрын

Maybe you should have moved to Zenler 🤣

@chrismarzarella2106 Жыл бұрын

90% of Kajabi sucks. Hands down I hate the UI and the confusing sections of the products/offers/pipelines. it's also expensive, even though you roll the services into one. The website editor is a joke. The one thing they do well is just suck.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Tell me how you really feel, Chris. 😂 😉 What do you use instead?

@KrisHughes Жыл бұрын

ugh! the gamification of learning. No thanks.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Interesting! What is your fav way to learn currently? I'd love to know. :)

@KrisHughes Жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner Reading primary sources and listening to in-depth lectures. I've been using Duolingo to revise some languages, and the gamification aspect really puts me off (and I know from the comments of a significant minority on social media that I'm not alone.) It's a good idea to make all that stuff optional, in my opinion. I could never take a paid course seriously if it was presented that way.

@organizeyourempire 2 жыл бұрын

Checking out Xperiencify! What you just shared is EPIC.

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Krystal, I'm so glad you enjoyed it. What platform are you using currently?

@organizeyourempire 2 жыл бұрын

@@TaraWagner I'm currently using Circle for my membership and just using posts and spaces to deliver content and it's been great but I'm not seeing most of the community utilize the platform.

@filipbelciug Жыл бұрын

Biggest CON of Kajabi is not being able to promote your Kajabi affiliate link with google ads!

@jerry.johnson 7 ай бұрын

Kajabi sucks! I am a founder of the platform and I decided to leave because the customer service is awful and its lagging behind funnel development. I went to High Level and its a much better platform.

@ihatekillerclowns 5 ай бұрын

You are a founder?

@FaLiThiHealing 4 ай бұрын

What is your take on High Level?

@paul-mcintyre 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, Tara, and I share many frustrations. Murray at Xperiensify is a top man and has listened to feedback. It shows. I’m so tempted to follow.

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

I 100% agree - it's been really great so far! What type of biz do you have?

@murraygray 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback Paul - stoked that you're with us :)

@paul-mcintyre 2 жыл бұрын

@@murraygray I couldn't be more delighted, Murray.

@Excel-cafe 2 жыл бұрын

This is awesome! I have the content creation down. But I was looking at hosting. Teachable is good and where I was heading for my first launch The kajabi stuff I’ve seen looked good, but I suspected I was watching fanboy videos Xperify is EXACTLY what I’m looking for. I am a huge fan of gamification and think it is integral to the experience AND the best news of all, because of this awesome and objective review, I am a fan and clicked your subscribe button!

@TaraWagner 2 жыл бұрын

Aww welcome to MY fan club! LOL I hear you on the fanboy stuff. I'm a big believer in EVERYTHING having pros and cons, and being sure to share them honestly. Nothing is 100% perfect. (Even Xperiencify. They have kinks to work out.) So I CAN tell you anything i review, I'll always be honest about who's it good for AND who it's not!

@ourkidzfirstfirstly491 Жыл бұрын

We tried Xperiencify and it was a disaster. There's no way to access your billing to change anything or cancel trial. Your billing is housed on Stripe. You have to send a request to access your account. That link never comes to your email, so you have no idea what is being done. They want you to email them for everything... even to access your own billing center. Kind a shady, so beware. Once you enter your billing information, it's there forever.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

Aww bummer, sorry you didn't have a great experience, like we have so far. What did you think of the platform?

@julianabottini669 Жыл бұрын

I deeply regret using Xperiencify - actually one of the WORST platforms. I will be switching to Kajabi. Here are my biggest disappointments with the platform: 1. My customers complain that the platform is hard to navigate. 2. Basic things that would normally be done aren't done on this platform - terms of service SWITCHED OFF and not letting us know and NOT EMAILING CUSTOMERS RECEIPTS automatically. 3. Videos that customers upload are being LOST. 4. Sending emails with wrong info and then telling me I did the wrong thing when I did exactly what the email said. 5. Paid the $100 to learn how to gamify my course and still the majority of clients not completing it. So, it didn't solve the problem the platform said it would.

@TaraWagner Жыл бұрын

What a bummer! I'm sorry you've had this experience. Ours has been quite the opposite! I hope you find what works well for you!