Why is it the 'climate crisis' now?

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8 ай бұрын

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Why is it the "climate crisis" now? Whatever happened to global warming? Or climate change? Or is it global boiling now? A few thoughts on language and the climate crisis.
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@ArmchairMagpie 8 ай бұрын

In the end it is like telling a student why procrastination is bad: "You still have 10 hrs to prepare for the test!" - "Okay, then I will have another 4 hr nap, 4 hrs are still enough to learn…I hope!" vs. "You only have 10 hrs left to prepare for the test!" - "You are a freaking fearmonger! 10 hrs will never be enough, might as well call in sick!"

@antred11 8 ай бұрын

Except that calling in sick might actually mean you get to redo the test another time (so, another chance); whereas not acting on climate change might mean game over (or at the very least a bleak future for coming generations).

@lotoreo 8 ай бұрын

Yup. In my experience most people fall in either of those categories. Either there's still plenty of time, or it's already too late. They always conveniently skip the "There's barely any time left, but it's not yet too late" option. Which to me is a clear symptom of a person who's already decided on doing nothing.

@zblurth855 8 ай бұрын

@@lotoreo to keep the students analogy I do not know a lot if any student that think 10h is not enough so better do nothing, all the one I know will still try to learn even if they know they will have a failing grade, and that is on something as ""unimportant" as a test compared to the planet future

@richardallan2767 8 ай бұрын

The test was back in the 80s; We are a little late.

@richardallan2767 8 ай бұрын

@@thetej2227 Cool story bro.

@asemi4 8 ай бұрын

As a millennial I've spent the entirety of my adolescence and adulthood is a state of some crisis or another. So while "crisis" is supposed to be an effective emotive word, I find myself entirely desensitised to it. And switching to more extreme emotive words doesn't work either, it just brings up a reaction of "here they go again". If they start calling it a catastrophe or calamity, I'll still be just as desensitised. That's not to say that I don't understand just how serious things are, but when you grow up with everything being on 100% seriousness all the time it loses its effect. I doubt I'm the only one feeling like this and I wonder if it can be fixed

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

Maybe it's simply about time to become an adult, put aside the wording used to describe the climate change and simply focus of what this realy is: a f... issue that requires everyone to act on it, like it or not !

@user-td3yi1mq7p 8 ай бұрын

@@franckr6159 While I believe your technically right, I'm afraid that's not how people work. Otherwise we wouldn't be in quite the mess we are now.

@tzenophile 8 ай бұрын

What works is when the disaster hits you for real, not as a talking point but when your house just got flooded or burned down in a wildfire, or when power and food supplies break down, and you are too hot, too cold, or starving to death. Unfortunately, by then, it will be too late for you. But at least you will get to reflect properly on what other meanings the word 'crisis' also can have.

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

@@tzenophile Exactly. Smart people understand a threat when they are told, stupid people only when they are hit straight in the face.

@tzenophile 8 ай бұрын

@@franckr6159 and therefore statistically we are doomed

@Dantyx1 8 ай бұрын

The IPCC warning me of drougs, famine and conflict often does not truly register as horrific as it should with people who have not lived through those things. I have struggled to explain to many in my family why action on this part would be crucial but their response often tends to be downplaying or outright deflecting it as problems those "others" have always had.

@jamesphillips2285 8 ай бұрын

I try to point out that when "other" [people] experience those things, mass migration happens. With the rise a fascism I am not convinced that the response to that will be a good one.

@odoylerules4503 8 ай бұрын

the worst part is IPCC figures are laughably conservative considering that every country must agree on the data and warnings before publication

@moartems5076 8 ай бұрын

@@jamesphillips2285bet some people in my country are willing to shoot migrants, if that secures their schnitzl

@wanderingaussies8172 8 ай бұрын

@@odoylerules4503 Really? The summaries are produced first then the scientists have to fit their results into it. This is the biggest scam ever.

@toyotaprius79 8 ай бұрын

Welcome to the club

@compostjohn 8 ай бұрын

There are some people in Libya, Canada, Australia and even small parts of Germany and Belgium who would label it a Climate Catastrophe, following devastating floods and fires.

@jluke168 8 ай бұрын

That's the same as saying it just snowed but reversed

@antred11 8 ай бұрын

@@jluke168That's true. The climate catastrophe is going to be bad enough without people pretending that every single bad thing is happening solely because of climate change.

@onastick2411 8 ай бұрын

Is that the same floods that have been happening for centuries, those floods?

@Dianaranda123 8 ай бұрын

I live in one of those areas, the Maas always floods, Germany and Belgium simply where retarded with not spending on dams. 1993 Netherlands had the same problem.

@nsbd90now 8 ай бұрын

@@onastick2411 Nope. This is new. Are you seriously so poorly informed? Or do you mistake pretending to be so for being clever?

@tomvandongen8075 8 ай бұрын

It's incredibly frustrating that the climate crisis needs marketing essentially to sell it to the public; isn't the future viability of all life on earth enough??

@TheAngryTrapezoid 8 ай бұрын

It's more about convincing people that the problem is real, and it is as severe as it is, and that they can do something about it, and even then many people won't want to fundamentally change the way they live their life (for example, most people would rather switch to an electric car than switch to relying on public transport). Just saying "We're ruining the planet" isn't a convincing message to the average person who probably hasn't really noticed any change

@GusOfTheDorks 8 ай бұрын

Its weird how the problem is so unquestionably real that you have to market it like cheap drive through food.

@krox477 8 ай бұрын

Because we think everything on earth is a resource to be used up

@GusOfTheDorks 8 ай бұрын

@@krox477 I mean it is

@matheussanthiago9685 8 ай бұрын

there is a reason why it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism

@davidtitanium22 8 ай бұрын

i think the audience of such events are just already pretty well informed on the worst of climate change and thus want hope, but people that's still on the fence might need fear to spur action

@kathleenrobertpogue6818 8 ай бұрын

I dont know anyone who its on the fence. The arguments I've seen come down to how much of an impact humans have. My own personal argument is it doesn't matter. People fault or not we need to do the same. I personally can't stand 99.9% of climate activists. Because they focus on the its humans fault part to make themselves feel like heros here to save the day. Instead of selfish humans trying to stagnate the planet. The moral superiority these climate activists exude is really off putting. It almost makes me say fk it, we aren't worth saving.

@Langharig_Tuig 8 ай бұрын

There's also a very strong argument to be made for exactly the opposite: They're actually hyperfocussed on one viewpoint, which is very common in the academic world, however, they also assume of themselves that they are the informed people and they anchor themselves even harder. You can see this difference for example when you ask general university students or environmental sciences students; the environmental scientists are, surprising to most, much more nuanced and therefor closer to the "climate denyers" than just students from any other study

@kathleenrobertpogue6818 8 ай бұрын

@@thetej2227 those things have been going on for thousands of years now. Where is jebus coming from. Its taking forever for him to get here.....

@laurencefraser 8 ай бұрын

@@kathleenrobertpogue6818 The thing that people who get up to this idiocy like to ignore is that there's the long list of how everything bad will happen... and then it says 'but this doesn't indicate the end times, because it happens all the time anyway'. The list of things that actually indicate the end are (for all that they're in some ways vague and may or may not be metaphorical) actually much less general, more specific, and once they kick off (something we explicitly are NOT given a time frame for), they'll supposedly run on a Very specific schedule as well. (also worth noting is that there's a couple of different lines of thinking about this... and the one followed by most of the people who obsess over such things is that all the faithful will be Gone before most of this crap happens, which is to say, if it's happening and they're Still Here, they fucked up somewhere... Somehow this never seems terribly significant to them...)

@Rnankn 8 ай бұрын

Except credible hope is absent. Meaningful change to reduce rather than increase the human impact are the only viable path to salvation, but are dismissed without serious consideration for ideological reasons. When ideology distorts rationality, hope is an unreachable horizon.

@glennelliott708 8 ай бұрын

Having lived in the interior of British Columbia Canada for decades and having to recently evacuate three times in three years due to close by massive fires, fear is prevalent each time.

@planefan082 8 ай бұрын

@@oscarthegoalkeeper7845We've always had arsonists. This is different. Obviously many fires are human caused but until recently they were far easier to control and often burned themselves out soon, rather than spreading to huge areas and decimating the entire landscape, which is a climate related effect

@jimthain8777 8 ай бұрын

What has the evacuations caused you to DO about climate change? Anything? Nothing? I'm very aware of the problem, what I'm not aware of is if it is changing people's minds and leading them to take action, any action to combat climate change.

@glennelliott708 8 ай бұрын

@@jimthain8777 remove all landscaping and trees to a distance of 20 meters from house, researching cost of steel roof, in ground water sprinkers, fire resistant coating on outside walls. Want to lend me the money?

@opossumlvr1023 8 ай бұрын

Climate alarmists love starting wildfires too create the narrative that climate change is causing fires.

@jeffwhite3021 8 ай бұрын

@planefan082 So there are no signs of previous fires in the Canadian forests?

@richardallan2767 8 ай бұрын

Really interesting video about perspectives and shared realities. I've always gone for ecological collapse, which is super cheery, but "climate" seems to hit a lot of people who aren't getting it as "bad weather", and i get the impression they think it can just be sorted with wellies, umbrellas or more air conditioning.

@richardallan2767 8 ай бұрын

@@thetej2227 Weird flex but ok.

@alanj9978 8 ай бұрын

Yeah well people think it can just be sorted with wind turbines and solar panels and electric cars, too, and that's just as wrong.

@richardallan2767 8 ай бұрын

@@alanj9978 Yup, more to it than that. But that would be an incredibly good start.

@MontyFly 8 ай бұрын

I like you term "ecological collapse, it's accurate but, more of an effect of climate change. I'm partial to the term Rapidly Destabilizing Climate!

@clairebostick9365 8 ай бұрын

@@MontyFly ecological collapse is more of a first cause than an effect of climate change; production requires extraction; a factory requires an empty plot (ecosystem wiped), materials for the building (ecosystem wiped where they came from), machines which require fuel and upkeep and which were built out of more material (by more/other machines in more/other factories), and by the end continually contributes to this escalating cycle by being another productive output require extraction for input. This problem is baked into everything recognizable to us as 'civilization' (unless you fall for the trick of thinking the label can be redeemed via semantic gymnastics and applied universally or to whom it 'should be'; this is stupid and misses the point of why a certain kind of group of people, eg colonizers propagating a certain mode of living, would conceptualize a distinction like 'civilized/uncivilized' and more importantly why there might be cause to oppose the idea and its practice). Even if emissions weren't part of the picture, the activity of wiping biodiversity from the land in favor of what is essentially a human monoculture still impacts the climate-the creation of deserts across the globe still impacts the climate and produces a crisis. That emissions intensify the stressors which extraction already places upon the living things which make up our environment is, if anything, a cruel joke rather than the cause of the problem we face.

@mk1st 8 ай бұрын

I think part of the problem is that "success" for climate policies when they were first proposed is that nothing happens. The desire was to keep the climate as it was, knowing that it will change in the future if CO2 is allowed to accumulate in the atmosphere. Now that we have reached a time where some very noticeable things are happening the "average" person is actually seeing things change in their world and only now are open to doing something. This is, I think, in alignment with human nature. Sadly, without the disinformation from FF companies I think this awakening could have happened much earlier. Time will tell if it's too little too late.

@richardallan2767 8 ай бұрын

@@thetej2227 I know you are, but what am i?

@anabolicamaranth7140 8 ай бұрын

We’ve been totally lulled to sleep here in the Midwest USA where the crops are grown. The last several summers just haven’t been that hot compared to the rest of the planet so people are complacent. They will be stupefied over the next 10 years.

@richardallan2767 8 ай бұрын

I know this is a semantic point, but baring in mind the topic of the video, what the heck: I don't think we are in alignment with human nature. Humans have the cognitive ability to understand cause and effect (ie the climate science warnings) choose preferable outcomes and act to make those happen. What's happening here is people thought they were being human, but were actually being aligned with animal nature: Short term profit, use all available resources and expand.

@pavel9652 8 ай бұрын

People will seriously start doing something in 50-100 years when things will get dramatically out of control and beyond any doubt. It is in our nature to ignore problems until they smack us right between our eyes. Also, see game theory.

@richardallan2767 8 ай бұрын

@@pavel9652 You think we have 50 to 100 years? Personally i think the poop is already interfacing with the room cooling device.

@simondalton3726 8 ай бұрын

As long as there is profit to be made from pollution there is no stopping it

@davideyres955 8 ай бұрын

There more profit to be gained by greenwashing. Carbon credit trading because there are carbon credits for emissions that companies make. Take Tesla, made millions from carbon credits because their cars don’t emit co2 in use but cost a lot when being built.

@simondalton3726 8 ай бұрын

@@davideyres955 so all those companies in India and China who are not regulated pumping pollution into the atmosphere make more money from Green washing… Yeah, right

@JamesWilliam70 8 ай бұрын

What? for example: A cars Co2 emissions, that is a vital ingredient to make trees grow and the earth greener? They tax us and profit on that? @davideyres955 We must be idiots? Or do I need more mainstream narrative indoctrination 🤔

@sillypuppy5940 7 ай бұрын

Oh, but the windmill and solar panel manufacturers give away their products for free. But "no!" you cry, "those people are nice and cuddly!" No, they are businesses, and if the "climate crisis" was forgotten today (because WWIII kicks off, perhaps) they would be out of business tomorrow.

@KM-pm6qe 8 ай бұрын

30 years of feel-good messaging has gotten us mostly complacency and greenwashing.

@willek1335 8 ай бұрын

Either a vast proportion of the world is wrong, or the climate nerds suck at communicating. Which is more likely.

@Thrillkilled 8 ай бұрын

exactly

@tomwantshelp 8 ай бұрын

And also 30 years of emissions reductions by most Western countries.

@mickyday2008 8 ай бұрын

Gotten?

@nigeltrc7299 8 ай бұрын

I think terms like ‘crisis’ lead people to feelings of despair and later, apathy. Climate activists need a more positive message than ‘we’re all doomed’ to get people on board. Optimism IS important for real change.

@georgesos 8 ай бұрын

Yes,it works and at the same time it shows that most people are delusional and prefer to be misleaded rather than face reality. The reality that oil and gas "giants" ,nations and corporations won't give up till we are all dead.

@mk1st 8 ай бұрын

It should really be "some" people are doomed.

@nsbd90now 8 ай бұрын

They did that decades ago.

@nsbd90now 8 ай бұрын

@@mk1st If it goes up 4-5C-- and we are right now on track for that-- all life might well go extinct leaving an empty rock floating in space. (Life cannot adapt to such change over a period of decades or centuries. It takes millions of years of slow change and adaptation.)

@katzensindweich3505 8 ай бұрын

@@nsbd90nowDid not work though did it?

@venalleader2909 8 ай бұрын

the huge problem with the phrase "climate crisis" is that the word "crisis" is commonly used to exaggerate issues to push political agendas. It's really a bad choice of phrasing. Combined with the scientific establishment constantly changing the phrasing they use, it can look more like manipulation tactics than actual science.

@jimbobur 8 ай бұрын

I think "inevitable collapse of humanity" has a much nicer ring to it.

@KT-pv3kl 8 ай бұрын

what makes you think 2° of warming over several centuries will spell doom for humanity?

@generationfallout5189 8 ай бұрын

@@KT-pv3kldestabilising the climate is already messing with food production

@Jc-ms5vv 8 ай бұрын

@@KT-pv3kltake a look around the world what 2c is already doing to the planet. Things will really take off when we lose the arctic ice cap

@hedgehog3180 8 ай бұрын

@@KT-pv3kl The pile of scientific articles the size of a mountain saying so.

@shanemitchell5807 8 ай бұрын

No matter what language is used to describe climate change/warming/crisis, not enough will be done in the time needed.

@dianewallace6064 8 ай бұрын

Agreed. Well said.

@matheussanthiago9685 8 ай бұрын

literally this

@Sekir80 8 ай бұрын

So, you're a pessimist then! Welcome to our club! :D

@terdragontra8900 8 ай бұрын

What do you mean "enough"? You are convinced human extinction is inevitable now? Because thats nots obvious or settled. More humans are going to suffer and die, but good policy can lessen the amount of both.

@fbkintanar 7 ай бұрын

You don't actually know that, your crystal ball is cloudy. You are just talking to hear yourself.

@chris4973 8 ай бұрын

Thinking is hard work. That’s why so few do it. Albert Einstein The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell

@dmitryisakov8769 8 ай бұрын

Says the cult member who believed a ridiculous theory just because supposedly smart people said it is true. Wake up people, don't just believe. Real science would never ask you to take it on faith. And with climate "science" it is actually the easiest. Just apply the first principles method. In this case the fundamental law that you cannot violate in any circumstances - conservation of energy. If you do the whole house of cards behind current climate cult collapses. Doesn't mean that the climate if not changing and that it is not anthropogenic. But it is just happening for a different reason.

@RAFMnBgaming 8 ай бұрын

"you'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar" Traditional No, seriously, if you want to get people on board with something calling them dumb is not making a great first impression.

@felixmoore6781 8 ай бұрын

"Never run with scissors." - unknown great scholar

@iskabin 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's much easier to just ride the boat with all this climate bull and point the fingers to the people that actually thinks about it and concludes human has nothing to do with it

@Krasbin 8 ай бұрын

03:30 Combining hope and fear is probably even more effective: if we don't do anything bad things happen, but if we take action now we might even be better of than we were in the first place.

@trevinbeattie4888 8 ай бұрын

The problem I see with both the positive and negative statements is they make the issue appear black or white, as if we were to stop warming at +1.49°C then everything will be just fine but if we get to +1.51°C then it’s the end of the world as we know it. In reality the difference between these amounts is just a margin of error and the results will be practically the same. We need to convey the idea that the global climate is such a massive juggernaut that it’s going to take a huge amount of effort over a long period of time to change its momentum, just as we’ve been doing by adding tons of CO2 to the system for more than a century. It’s not a matter of whether the ecosystem will suffer or not, it’s a matter of how bad the damage will become.

@TheDanEdwards 8 ай бұрын

"then everything will be just fine" - ok, go find me a citation where a climatologist says _1.49C will be "just fine". Bet you can't find it. You are making strawmen, and not addressing the real issue.

@hedgehog3180 8 ай бұрын

@@TheDanEdwards OP never said that, they were addressing how the general public will perceive such statements and the fact that they fail to convey the complexity of the issue.

@charaznable1131 8 ай бұрын

Hi everyone welcome to the end of the species 👍👋👋

@KT-pv3kl 8 ай бұрын

why would the species end because of a few degrees warming?

@jandraelune1 8 ай бұрын

Many politicians will just kick the can down the road as long as they are not given a strict dead line.

@GusOfTheDorks 8 ай бұрын

Or exploit it to gain as much power, control, and money as they can

@lynoure 8 ай бұрын

Which terminology does the oil industry support at the moment? I was surprised their role in it so far was ignored.

@GusOfTheDorks 8 ай бұрын

Thats because they dont really play much of a role in the debate as they dont need to take part in the debate. Realisticaly they have a product that is essential to the modern world and mostly not threatened by green energy intiatives.

@danielnigel6920 8 ай бұрын

I bet they did not like global warming but loved the term climate change. Then they could say - climete is naturaly aleays changing and no amount of explaining about how fast it is happening etc would help

@breezyashell 8 ай бұрын

Is it a crisis if it lasts decades / centuries, is not temporary, and has no return to normality?

@etienne8110 8 ай бұрын

For us humans it is...😢

@bernardemmerich4483 8 ай бұрын

That why some climat communicators are using the theme " dérive climatique " or climat drift.

@matheussanthiago9685 8 ай бұрын

''Creeping normality is a process by which a major change can be accepted as normal and acceptable if it happens slowly through small, often unnoticeable, increments of change'' wikipedia

@jsnel9185 8 ай бұрын

When I was a teenager back in the mid 90s I went door to door trying to alert people to the problem. I had many a door shut in my face. Dont look up people. It was then I decided to fiddle while rome burned. Humanity doesnt deserve earth, it's just a shame we have to take everyone and everything with us in our selfish suicide.

@kmoses582 8 ай бұрын

A little dramatic don't you think? Have you never looked at disasters in the past and think that what we think of as new disasters might just be the Earth being Earth?

@matheussanthiago9685 8 ай бұрын

@@kmoses582 that is one way to prove op right

@kmoses582 8 ай бұрын

@@matheussanthiago9685 Human caused warming is real, but its not a suicide. So yes I think the op is being dramatic.

@anabolicamaranth7140 8 ай бұрын

Some people realize climate change is exponential and a few may have figured out that the incremental effect of each unit of temperature rise is also exponential. What happens when those two intersect is you get a discontinuity. For those who don’t understand, I’m pretty confident you’ll get to see what I mean within 10 years.

@c.augustin 8 ай бұрын

10 years? Sounds quite right. Maybe 20 years.

@nsbd90now 8 ай бұрын

"The pond is half-covered with lily pads." Tomorrow...

@anabolicamaranth7140 8 ай бұрын

@@c.augustinThat’s what I thought but I’ve been studying how climate has played out each year in the US Midwest since 2010 and it is uncanny how we’ve gotten so lucky. It’s the Midwest Miracle.

@c.augustin 8 ай бұрын

@@anabolicamaranth7140 I'm living in a region that is also quite lucky (northern Germany), but even here we see some developments that might get us in trouble at some point. The south of Europe has it bad already.

@anabolicamaranth7140 8 ай бұрын

@@c.augustinSpain has been hammered. Northern Europe has more room to spare with temperature rise. Pre industrial climate was cooler than ideal. About 2010 was a Goldilocks climate but we will rapidly leave that.

@grimaffiliations3671 8 ай бұрын

Have you read a book called the Deficit Myth? I think promoting that book is the best thing we can do to bring forward more investment in fighting climate change because it exposes the conservative lies about the government not having enough money to do so

@lotoreo 8 ай бұрын

excellent point

@tomwantshelp 8 ай бұрын

“The Deficit Myth” is not a good book. While it’s true that government borrowing is not bad (as long as you grow the economy faster than you grown your interest payments), the book is based on Modern Monetary Theory, a discredited economic theory that doesn’t hold water. Many of the claims it makes are simply wrong, especially when it comes to monetary policy. There is a reason why we have independent central banks controlling money supply rather than giving that power over to the government. And of course, ask any British person what happened when Liz Truss made it look like Britain was no longer going to be able to pay its debts. Modern monetary theory is the economic equivalent of climate change denial. If you want some centre-left economics then read some Krugman or Stiglitz, don’t read cranks.

@kimwelch4652 8 ай бұрын

As long as we measure our survival in monetary terms, we cannot afford to survive. The fact that all our discussions around climate (warming, change, crisis, ...) end in a discussion of money means we are not yet taking the situation seriously or really paying attention at all. Extinction will forever end money as it is meaningless without human civilization.

@philipoakley5498 8 ай бұрын

I think that Desmond Tutu's quote applies. Lizz Truss had the same 'problem' (just because I said it, doesn't mean people will believe it, for long enough, to make it true). The levers that need moved don't have an illuminati to actually move them!

@archietravers5697 8 ай бұрын

@@tomwantshelpAll you have to do is look at Japan. How many people have gone broke shorting Japan. They have continued to spend to back their economy.

@netanelaker4437 8 ай бұрын

Acceleration would be a start of a wake up call.

@richardbos4696 8 ай бұрын

So the next words will be: ' Climate Apocalypse'

@FelipeKana1 7 ай бұрын

As they should

@AbrasiveTea 8 ай бұрын

The biggest problem I see is the capitalist systems we live in. Those that need to make the changes won’t do it unless it was a cheap way to make more profit this next quarter. They don’t think of anything but what will make the profit line go up in the next month.

@gottesurteil3201 8 ай бұрын

As opposed to other economic systems which do not cut corners.

@AbrasiveTea 8 ай бұрын

@@gottesurteil3201 I mean other systems do not have to worry about profitability so they can think ahead. It is why planned economies always do better than free market economies. I mean look at China who is the leader in creating and moving towards renewable energy.

@AbrasiveTea 8 ай бұрын

@@thetej2227 lol I am sorry I don’t have imaginary friends

@gottesurteil3201 8 ай бұрын

@@AbrasiveTea last I checked China was one of the worst contributors to pollution in the globe, and I find it interesting that your metric for Chinas success is from a capitalist lense. I'm shocked that the level of evil in China isn't a contributing factor.

@laurencefraser 8 ай бұрын

@@AbrasiveTea Unfortunately, the 'capitalist' part isn't the issue. The problem is that human systems don't scale up well. Capitalism actually scales up better than most. But it still has it's limits. The problem is less 'capitalism' and more a refusal to address and correct flaws in its implementation (because heaven forbid we Fix anything, that'd be Communism! ... or, in China, 'submitting to the evil foreigners'... Honestly, I think in Russia the evil would be 'thinking at all' at this point... you get the idea). The problem is that, regardless of the system implemented, there are a LOT of perverse incentives, where the individual humans making the big decisions benefit far more (and lose out far less), by taking Undesirable actions than Desirable ones. And this has been a problem under Every system, and routinely gets worse the larger the scale being operated on (though it can crop up even on very small scales, it is more easily identifiable and correctable, to the point where the individual can Self correct, and if they don't and all other corrections fail, murder is an option (any Sane society has as many steps in between those points as they have the resources to afford and implement, of course). Human nature just doesn't handle scaling things up beyond a few hundred people, a few decades, and the places they go on a regular basis very well. It is possible for environemntal and societal factors to encourage longer term thinking in some respects, Unfortunately, one of the key factors in that seems to be that significant change and improvement must be visibly possible by ones own actions, but also reliably slow so that long term is the only way it happens, and even then, people will happily accept 'hard work' to improve things for their kids, but are Really Disinclined to accept 'hardship' (that is, a worse life in general outside of the parts where they're doing that work) if they can just... not.

@EmeraldView 8 ай бұрын

The reality is it's too late.

@xtieburn 8 ай бұрын

The 'Global Warming' vs 'Climate Change' thing actually bugs the crap out of me because a lot of people, even those who fully support the scientists imply or outright state that: Scientists stopped using global warming because it wasnt as accurate. (and without the lived experience caveat that this video uses.) Except, no they didnt, and no it isnt. Its still used in all the reports*, but its used in the correct context that being, the globe... which is warming. While climate change can refer to the broader set of effects hitting regions on a variety of scales. To be clear, I have no issue with changing language to improve communication but I do think it would be better and frankly far more accurate to say that 'Climate Change' is a complementary term to 'Global Warming' not a replacement. Ive seen too many times when discussions (Not just online but in real life.) have stalled on this one bit of language, and the belief that something must have inherently changed or always have been on shaky ground about the consensus that the globe is indeed warming, for that language to have shifted. [I say all that, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the true problem with this and other bits of science communication, like through the pandemic, has less to do with all this semantics and infinitely more to do with the fact that the media is either obsessed with presenting everything as 'neutral' (To the point that even the usually useless ofcom had to step in and tell the BBC to quit presenting basic reality as a debate.) if not outright driving denial for their benefactors.] *Google IPCC reports, pick almost any example from this year and search for the term, youll find it littering the reports.

@lyrimetacurl0 8 ай бұрын

The term "Climate Change" came in 1951, long before "Global Warming" which was a later description of what the climate change is in the long term.

@fav843 8 ай бұрын

"Ive seen too many times when discussions (Not just online but in real life.) have stalled on this one bit of language" If it helps, a lot of those people are arguing in bad faith and cling onto that to stall discussion.

@ImproveYourMagic 8 ай бұрын

“Global Warming Crises” resonates with me most. Greenhouse gases = global warming = climate crises = extinctions

@dmitryisakov8769 8 ай бұрын

Science is not about your feeling. Stop believing, true science would never demand it from you. Apply first principles and your equation would collapse

@Chris_Conrey 8 ай бұрын

I think fear and hope are both important to be conveyed in conjunction. Those falling to despair may need some encouragement that their concern and action are paying off. People who are complacent or ignorant might need some messaging that conveys just how serious this is, to get them fired up. There's a window of Urgent but Doable, and any given message is going to land in a different spot for each person. Communicators need to hit both Urgent and Doable every time, or they're likely to push their audience in the direction of either despair or complacency.

@antred11 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm sorry but the reason people prefer this "positive" messaging nonsense is that it more easily allows them to calm their conscience and continue business as usual.

@tomwantshelp 8 ай бұрын

You don’t have to look far to find people with unrealistically negative takes that are counter-productive. Like, there are people who think we can only stop climate change by killing people, or by going back to pre-Industrial standards of living, or even that there’s nothing we can do so we shouldn’t try. There is good reason to be positive. It’s a solvable problem - all we have to do is reduce fossil fuel combustion and slightly change our diets. Negativity makes the problem worse.

@nullakjg767 8 ай бұрын

@@tomwantshelp youre wrong. we needed to do that 50 years ago. its literally too late. the permafrost has begun melting and setting off a chainreaction of releasing CO2 trapped in the permafrost (ice that never melts). Basically several world changing technology would need to be developed within a decade and be implemented world wide. If Mr Freeze was a real scientist, maybe there would be a chance. But there really isnt. Immigration is gonna be really bad really soon because everyones going to be fleeing the equator and coastlines.

@lotoreo 8 ай бұрын

Yes, this is exactly what I am afraid of as well. There's a distinct chance that these people will NEVER support any climate movement, no matter how well you phrase it or explain it. There's a lot of people out there who simply want to "go back to lunch" - and then, what will we do?

@antred11 8 ай бұрын

@@tomwantshelp This has ZERO relevance to the subject matter. Nutcases exist regardless of how you phrase the message.

@blademasterzero 8 ай бұрын

@@tomwantshelpok but the violent approach while not a particularly good one. Makes sense when you see the statistic that 71% of emissions are caused by just 100 companies. Whether that statistic is right or wrong doesn’t matter if people see it as a way to make a change. Not advocating for violence just explaining the reasoning behind it

@manuelpopp1687 8 ай бұрын

In my opinion, we have reached "climate catastrophe". It is not about a bit of warming any more. It used to be a crisis that we could have been responding to and mitigate by taking appropriate, decisive measures. Like, a decade ago or so. Now, it has become a catastrophe. Because we allowed it to develop this way.

@saltburner2 8 ай бұрын

Spoken like a True Believer/

@giardinodialberi8751 8 ай бұрын

Great episode, Simon. I even enjoyed the commercial for Brilliant. Thanks infinitely for taking on this KZfaq project; we need reliable information, and your channel really stands out as authoritative, technically rich, engaging, and understandable. Yours is definitely the channel I would reference as I speak to citizens who need some facts about the climate crisis. Bravo.

@matthewleitch1 8 ай бұрын

We are not forced to use emotive terms. That's wrong and will simply produce more objections than ever. What 'scientists' tend to focus on is the problem, because that is a matter of natural science. The solutions are more for engineers, economists, and psychologists. One of the issue with 'scientific' communication in this area, I strongly suspect, is that it has been dominated by problems and some not great sounding solutions.

@FAS1948 8 ай бұрын

Neurodiversity awareness: be very careful adding music while you're speaking because some of us cannot cope with multiple sensory inputs.

@lynnhettrick7588 8 ай бұрын

Yes, I’ve had to rewind a few times to “hear” certain parts.

@hedgehog3180 8 ай бұрын

And it's generally annoying.

@dojokonojo 8 ай бұрын

As an avid procrastinator, hope makes me think I can keep putting it off for another day, fear makes me get off my ass to do something about it.

@mafarmerga 8 ай бұрын

I like to point out that here, in 2023, we are the beneficiaries of actions that were taken in the 1970s and 1980s. So taking action today on climate is a way of paying it forward. I think that this approach resonates with many people from across the political spectrum.

@mixiekins 8 ай бұрын

Although, the data was skewed because the same audience was primed with one before the other. I actually think that's a good thing in this application, since showing someone a hazard to get attention, then immediately presenting am actionable solution/exit route will amplify the desire to act on the positive option presented second. Just for the sake of the data, I'd have recommended splitting up the group into four: sees only the bad, only the good, good before the bad, then bad before the good. I'd be interested to see the difference.

@Jc-ms5vv 8 ай бұрын

We should call it what it is.. near term human extinction

@katzensindweich3505 8 ай бұрын

Climate activist just gut sentenced to a hefty prison sentence in Germany. What a disgrace!

@KT-pv3kl 8 ай бұрын

whats disgraceful in applying the laws of the land equally to everyone? are you under the impression we should treat different people or different ideologies differently? do you want tyranny? because you are apparently asking for it...

@katzensindweich3505 8 ай бұрын

@@KT-pv3kl There are always mitigating circumstances. Don't be a hipocrit. Intentions matter and you know it.

@mikewade777 8 ай бұрын

Car culture is a tyranny we already have, hence activism@@KT-pv3kl

@hedgehog3180 8 ай бұрын

@@KT-pv3kl Wait tyranny is apparently when you don't put people in prison? I think your definition is the exact opposite of the standard one.

@someguy2135 8 ай бұрын

I have heard people use the phrase "climate emergency" instead of "climate crisis." If you hear a phrase too often, people stop thinking about it.

@cretiv2u 8 ай бұрын

For the U.S. they need to put the temperature rise in Fahrenheit, since 1.5 Celsius means nothing to them.

@abody499 8 ай бұрын

5:28 aaah, but asking them which is a more compelling statement is not the same as the statement inspiring them to act, so yeah, complexity...you went from asking the audience (with all that that entails in terms of crowd dynamics) which statement was more compelling, to reporting it as which is more engaging, to which statement inspires more action. Those are all different. Words are important.

@Conus426 8 ай бұрын

I'd like to propose calling it the third impact next.

@gottesurteil3201 8 ай бұрын

You'd think some people already view it as such.

@matheussanthiago9685 8 ай бұрын

as if the weeb doomers weren't already onboard the ''we're fucked'' train

@DelusionalDoug 8 ай бұрын

Among childless adults in the United States surveyed by Morning Consult last year, one in four cited climate change as a factor in why they do not currently have children. NY Times 6-22-23

@lynnhettrick7588 8 ай бұрын

I have 12 nieces/nephews/niblings (ages 41 to 17) and 2 Gen Z children. The oldest 2 have children, 7 have either said no children or most likely no children, and 3 aren’t sure. My firstborn doesn’t want kids and my second born said maybe adopt kids.

@matheussanthiago9685 8 ай бұрын

based young adults

@graemebaguley3778 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the book recommendation - I'm finding it very informative and enjoying reading it. I've been recommending it to a few of my friends too.

@GeeJohBaa 8 ай бұрын

Really helpful video in discussing the vital importance of language. When studying environmental sciences our climate communication courses where mainly focussing on conveying a hopeful message, encouraging agency and empowering people to act. The messages that conveyed the severity of the state of the earth and focussed on the irreversibility of crossing tipping points was (partly) set aside as fearmongoring, apocalyptic reasoning and what not. Problem I now have, after working in sustainability consultancy for a number of years, is that the hopeful message can so quickly become (what Paul Kingsnorth describes as) pseudo-optimism and false hope, a closing of our eyes to the predicament that we are in. It lets us focus on the solution as if it's already there, without acknowledging the hard route we have to take to get 'there'. But, as you articulate in the video, I might be part of the audience for which 'fear laden books resonate'. Maybe there are two ways of hoping, the shallow hope that everything will be ok for us, or the hope beyond hope where somethings will be ok despite the perils we will have to go through.

@brentlolacher3000 8 ай бұрын

The goal is not to control content, but create context.

@GusOfTheDorks 8 ай бұрын

@detritiv0re144 8 ай бұрын

I need scissors 61

@Onedimensional4141 8 ай бұрын

Well said. It is so difficult to appeal to everyone. We really do need different talking points for different audiences. And Don’t Even Think about It is my favorite book! I read it twice. George Marshall is a genius. It’s amazing and frustrating how so much of what he warned us about a decade ago is still part of the mainstream narratives today. So glad the latest climate march that you had in your video finally brought the “wellhead” (supply) into the public space so that we’re not exclusively focusing on just the “tailpipe” (demand).

@mh1593 8 ай бұрын

It's quite fascinating this useful video is interrupted by an advert trying to sell a petrol motor vehicle to me.

@Antilli 8 ай бұрын

We're constantly being bombarded with crises left and right. Monetary, economic, energy, poverty, minorities, refugees, housing, population, food and so on and so on. Climate is just another one in the stack that people feel they have no influence over anyway, because someone else decides what happens. Also, it's kind of hard to get people to worry about the large issues when they're worried about putting food on the table. Add in the fact that their solution is basically to install global communism and making everyone poorer, and you're going to get a lot of backlash and resistance, and rightfully so. So the ones that are hungry are incapable of worrying, and we're creating more and more of those. The ones that are capable of worrying have an increased distrust in all institutions since they are constantly being exploited by said institutions through emotional manipulation and fear mongering. Maybe, instead of trying to emotionally manipulate the masses and acting condescendingly when they ask questions, maybe, just maybe, treat them like capable human beings.

@TheDanEdwards 8 ай бұрын

There's a larger culture war (or wars) in which the climate-denialism is embedded. To ignore these overarching culture wars is to miss why climate-denialism is so intransigent.

@paulfay357 8 ай бұрын

As a politically conservative American, who is also a big believer in environmental conservation and green energy, I think I have different insight. First of all, scientists, politicians and corporations have all turned the issue into a giant cash cow and power grab. It is only natural and healthy for people to be repelled by this. The climate crisis people are also incredibly poor at knowing how to communicate with people and sell their ideas. The typical response to any skepticism is usually fear mongering, ridicule, bullying and censorship. Even the word climate denier is a perjorative, specifically designed to immediately piss off anyone that you might be trying to convince. The answer to all of this is simple. We must be respectful to people with real concerns. Revolutionary new tech is also very destructive to old business models and the people who's lives depend on the old tech...we must always understand this. Provide funding for skeptical research. Nothing will prove that the science is sound more than purposely trying to poke holes in it. Stop the fear mongering, the ridicule, the hyperbole, the obvious profiteering...and for Pete's sake stop making predictions and climate models that turn out not to be true. Have empathy for the people who will be harmed by this revolution. Climate experts know so much about the science, but they have no clue how human beings should be communicated with.

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

@@paulfay357 "a politically conservative American, who is also a big believer in environmental conservation and green energy": I didn’t even know this species existed !! So if, contrary to your fellow conservatives stubbornly rejecting science, you are convinced by the fact that human activities emit an excess of CO2 and that this is destroying our climate with dire consequences to come (it's a scientific FACT, the first events are already visible), then talk to them yourself ! Btw, you state "predictions and climate models that turn out not to be true", you may then want to read this: "Evaluating the Performance of Past Climate Model Projections", by Zeke Hausfather. Spoiler: models were right ! Last point: what is true is true. And this is correct whoever tells the truth, somebody you like or not. The point is being educated enough to distinguish the probably true from the likely false.

@paulfay357 8 ай бұрын

@@franckr6159 Yes. I do exist...lol And since I am comfortable talking to people in both camps, I see the merits of having a more nuanced and mature conversation about such an important issue. It's the only way forward that doesn't involve catastrophe. As for the predictions and models, I am referring to the more cartoonish, hyperbolic predictions put out by many of the self appointed spokespeople. One example being Al Gore, who manages to get the main gist of the problem right, while simultaneously injecting enough politics and hyperbole to be really off-putting to about half the people in the country. Also I would add, the angry condescending attitude that you just used to describe skeptical people is part of the problem. If you really care about the issue, I would encourage you to learn how to communicate with people more effectively. I'm not trying to be insulting to you, but as you already forcefully pointed out... facts are facts. It's a simple choice. The climate crisis people can keep going out of their way to just piss people off...or they can actually move the needle and make a difference. Just my humble opinion.

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

@@paulfay357 Oh yeah, the typical "I was not spoken to well enough" ! What is funny is that the kind of guy I find absolutely unbearable (or just laughable, depending on the mood) to listen to is DJ Trump (a narcissicist ignorant serial liar), precisely the guy that you and fellow conservatives and trying to get reelected so that he can escape jail ! So I am sorry, but when people tell me they listen to DJT and not to people explaining sound scientific facts, I have a little problem with empathy.

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

@@paulfay357 One important point you raise though: predictions and models. As stated, models have been proven mostly right, see "Evaluating the Performance of Past Climate Model Projections", by Zeke Hausfather. Concerning the so-called "cartoonish, hyperbolic predictions" they of course did not materialize yet because the catastrophy was never said to happen early in the 21st century, the dire predictions will materialize only later during this century and only if we collectively do not act on CO2 emissions. IPCC issued a series of scenarios (global temperature in fonction of the CO2 emissions (hence radiative forcing). If you disagree, send me a link to these so-called hyperbolic predictions so I can check who made them and for which time period (climate change deniers love to point to catastrophic predictions that in reality were never made !).

@reversedragon3 3 ай бұрын

"language creates reality" is an interesting quote when you think about it deeper if you actually try to put it into action, you'll quickly realize language only creates different _possibilities_ for what could happen in reality and groups of people rallied around each possibility while nobody is actually decided on which possibility is truer or better. the plurality of different understandings of reality creating divided groups of people is a problem more serious than how to communicate with each isolated group because you never necessarily know how to get those completely different groups into unified action

@user-mu3iy8fq3d 6 ай бұрын

Corporate responsibility is pivotal; businesses must adopt sustainable practices, minimizing their ecological footprint and contributing to climate change abatement.

@davebenz8271 8 ай бұрын

So it’s all about selling the story. Selling it would be a lot easier if your “product” wasn’t a load of crap. If any of the “experts’” predictions actually come true, it might win over more people.

@wizziamthegreat 8 ай бұрын

it has? the earths average temperature has increased by an average of 0.08c per decade? year after year gets the new "hottest year" the oceans are more acidic? its not selling anything, is climate scientists pointing out we are killing our planet.

@fromnorway643 8 ай бұрын

@@wizziamthegreat It's more like 0.2°C per decade now.

@kmoses582 8 ай бұрын

@@wizziamthegreat Snow is going to be a thing of the past. Do you remember that prediction? Who, other than media and politicians are actually saying we are killing the planet?

@PietchRhum 8 ай бұрын

I don't like the term "climate crisis". A crisis implies something temporary that can get back to its prior state (more or less). But that's not the case anymore with the climate. We are in a climate drift, there's no going back anymore to the stable climate of the 20th century. The climate system is destabilizing, getting more and more chaotic... I'd prefer to call it "climate collapse" or something like this. Because the climate that we knew until recently and that our ancestors of the past 12k years knew, is no longer there, that stable climate of the holocene is actually collapsing. It might stabilize again in a new state at some point in the future, probably in a few hundreds or thousands of years, but the period we're living through right now is a planetary collapse (climate collapse, ecosystems collapse, societal collapse). I'm not speaking of a collapse in the sense of an overnight doomsday scenario, but of a collapse in the sense of a longer process of "great simplification" and drive towards more chaotic structures. An ecosystem collapse is a strong reduction of its complexity, like the disappearance of most of higher trophic levels ("trophic downgrading"), a reduction of the number and length of trophic loops...

@branislavcunta7763 8 ай бұрын

"Collapse" implies something sudden and unexpected. Another term could be something like "climate destruction". It implies that climate is being destroyed by 'something', and if we don't stop it, there will be more and more unrecoverable rubble left behind or even complete annihilation.

@lyrimetacurl0 8 ай бұрын

how about Climate Attack?

@MontyFly 8 ай бұрын

That is a very accurate and honest description of what is happening. Thanks for that. Rapidly Destabilizing Climate is what I prefer using. It seems no one remembers how long it takes for CO2 already in the atmosphere to stop having its warming effect. Best we can hope for in our lifetimes is mitigating the effects that are already baked into the system as well as drastically cutting emissions. I used to use the phase "speed of war" as to the urgency of this but, I fear it is beyond even that.

@SpySappingMyKeyboard 8 ай бұрын

I think that's a more accurate term when looking at the reality of the climate and ecology, but it misses the political aspect of this. Our human behaviour is the crisis.

@GusOfTheDorks 8 ай бұрын

Sounds like a wonderful argument for giving the Gov unlimited power.

@mikepotter5718 8 ай бұрын

"You can't talk to a man When he don't wanna understand" - Carol king

@tiso8695 8 ай бұрын

I prefer "Ecological Breakdown" because where I live, everyone thinks that if we stop using IC engines & switch to electric, it will solve the problem. Unfortunately the problem is far more complex than that & is very much tied to how our societies operate in the present day. In my country, the government is trying to bend laws to allow mining in eco-sensitive zones in order to allow industries to extract metals needed for batteries. I don't think they are solving the problem here but rather changing the problem. From climate change to biodiversity loss.

@TennesseeJed 8 ай бұрын

Overshoot, upcoming bottleneck for global industrial civilization, unchangeable predicament and unstoppable consumption are reality.

@dianewallace6064 8 ай бұрын

Well said, Jed. Overshoot. Global Heating. Polycrisis.

@TennesseeJed 8 ай бұрын

@@dianewallace6064 Hi Diane!

@matheussanthiago9685 8 ай бұрын

who'd thank it that you simply cannot sustain infinite growth on a finite planet what a concept

@TennesseeJed 8 ай бұрын

@@matheussanthiago9685 I know, right‽

@dianewallace6064 8 ай бұрын

@@TennesseeJed HI! We got just a little rain from Ophelia. We are in western North Carolina. I used to live in Eastern North Carolina. Im glad I moved 27 years ago to here. I grew up in Philadelphia which I liked also. One hour from the Beach in Philadelphia (as the crow flies).

@alexspringett 8 ай бұрын

not sure it maters how you label it, people will still carry on living their life as if nothing is wrong. Anyway really it should be the 'overshoot predicament' loved the little s jib in that class video 😀

@laurencefraser 8 ай бұрын

The simple fact is there's very little the average human can Do, because most of the problem is on the scale of governments and large industries. All your typical human can do in their day to day life until and unless That is sorted out is... reduce their individual quality of life to no benefit. And good luck getting industries to do anything when the entire economic system (well, less than all now, but still most) strongly rewards them for Not doing so. And good luck getting governments to actually make changes when they are both strongly influenced by those industries and actively discouraged from doing anything that might rock the boat too much unless things have Already gone to shit in ways that impact the day to day lives of individuals to the point where they'll revolt if nothing is done (and sometimes even then).

@metarmask 8 ай бұрын

@@laurencefraserSo encourage the governments and make it more costly for impacted industries to influence them. Sounds like something your average person can do, even more so together with other average people. Make others aware of influence attempts, demand transparency and anti-corruption measures, etc. Like if you can even approach 85% of all people actively working together and towards a goal there's not much the other 15% can do even if they have a military or money. Because the economy doesn't work without people. You mentioned the cost of living. You don't have to immediately decrease it, you can wait until you have enough people on board before you strike. Bam, society shuts down. You have saved resources so you survive. Eventually the powerful want society back but only if you agree to their demands. So um yeah there is something your average person can do.

@lk-music 8 ай бұрын

@@metarmask If society shuts down, you can kiss goodbye to your saved resources, they will be taken, by force, you will not survive.

@metarmask 8 ай бұрын

@@lk-music But that would prolong the shutdown. It'd be more cost effective for the powerful to give into some demands or pretend to. Or they just wouldn't let it get to that point, they would try to control the flow of information more, eliminating key people etc.

@GOFFBITZH666 3 ай бұрын

@@metarmaskYou really think that most governments and industries would actually listen to people? If that’s the case, we would probably be a bit closer to actually passing more bills addressing this damn issue.

@bartonfarnsworth7690 8 ай бұрын

I was curious about the adjustments in the verbiage describing the climate crisis. Thank you for making this video. I found it very interesting.

@GhostOnTheHalfShell 8 ай бұрын

Roger Hallam, the co founder of extinction rebellion, has clarity about mobilizing people. He is also successful at it. He’s quite clear about what people, need to know. Other realities are working on business. Insurers bailing out of markets because covering climate damage is financially insolvent. Insurance is central to investment and lending. When insurers leave, the economies of a region are handed a death sentance . Also economists like Steve Keen have refuted Nordhaus and most pointedly targeted retirement funds’ fiduciary responsibility regarding climate risks to their investments. Anyone with a pension fund or retirement fund can press them about the kind of risk assessment they are relying on.

@nettietrees7238 8 ай бұрын

Fear, the great controller of populations

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

The point is not if climate change is frightening. The point is: is it real, and is this a serious threat? Answer is: yes (see the scientific consensus on climate).

@nettietrees7238 8 ай бұрын

@@franckr6159 no, climate change does not need to be frightening. It is a matter of course that the world has spun through over and over again throughout millennia. Fear has been baked into the modern version for a reason. Throughout history people groups have moved with the shifting nature of climate, and we can do it again, or innovate so we don’t have to.

@nettietrees7238 8 ай бұрын

@@franckr6159 oh and when you say scientific consensus - you mean all those who agree right? Cos those dissenting voices, including the former lead of Greenpeace, get cut out of the narrative. 🤦‍♀️

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

@@nettietrees7238 Consensus is assessed based on climate studies, and they all (99%) confirm man-made climate change is real. Just check paper: "Greater than 99% consensus on human caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature". The bunch of vocal people disagreeing just do not publish scientific papers, mostly because they are just not climate scientists. As a scientist, if you disagree then you make a study and publish your own evidence, this is how science works, but they never do this ! (they simply spread nonsense on TV shows !).

@richardhenry464 8 ай бұрын

The problem, Franckr, is that the climate industry fast recognized they could gain BILLIONS and now TRILLIONS of dollars (public monies) if they go along with the 'crisis' narrative, so they will not let anything else be published in the professional journals - because, why stop the milk-cow? You've been duped in the name of fleecing the public coffers with a sham of a crisis. @@franckr6159

@TheDane_BurnAllCopies 8 ай бұрын

4:30 I love that some humans still think that it all ends with a happy ending. We are in the beginng of the Climate crises, but what the heck, lets just say we have time to get a happy ending. It is like we do not wanne face the problem, but kick the can down the road…. Let the next gen. deal with it..😔

@markeggleton2999 8 ай бұрын

Yes it’s warming but it was hotter in the past. OFTEN. Do some research and maybe you will kick the can. There’s no catastrophe looming.

@DisplayLine6.13.9 8 ай бұрын

@@markeggleton2999 The past that you're referring to didn't have upright walking humans yet. Nor did it have warming happening at this speed. Ecosystems do not adapt over centuries. They need millennia. There is a catastrophe looming.

@karldubhe8619 8 ай бұрын

The only problem there is that 'WE' are that next generation. Yee haw!

@karldubhe8619 8 ай бұрын

@@thetej2227 Really don't care about ancient fan fiction...

@c.augustin 8 ай бұрын

@@karldubhe8619 "The only problem there is that 'WE' are that next generation." I'm not, but even in the remaining 20 years (or so) I will experience a glimpse of what my daughter and grandchild will have to face. I don't understand all those naysayers with children and grandchildren - normally parents care for their offspring, but there seems to be a barrier they can't cross (maybe this is why they deny the coming bad results of global warming and the associated climate change).

@eduardocubells957 8 ай бұрын

I believe the use of words and attitudes to make it a short coming catastrophe not only disengages a huge amount of people but even creates the need to fight back against the sensasionlist people creating and using such wording.

@naturedo2 8 ай бұрын

Simon, please do a video about the 'blue blob' and your thoughts on how likely northern Europe will end up freezing cold.

@FoundationGod 8 ай бұрын

In the 70s it was Global Cooling

@dmitryisakov8769 8 ай бұрын

Leonard Nemoy would not try to decieve you would he?😅

@FoundationGod 8 ай бұрын

@dmitryisakov8769 In the 90s it was Hole in the atmosphere and acid rain. None of it came true and none of ever will. Global activist are cultists who chant about the end of the world

@dmitryisakov8769 8 ай бұрын

@@FoundationGodyes they are cultists, but it is much worse then simple ignorance. There is an agenda. Just to be clear, I agree with them that climate degradation is real and it is caused by humans. 😉 The difference is that I don't just belice 97% of scientists, I'm scientist myself, so can critically evaluate their hypothesis. And it stinks. So yes, what is called today "climate science" is a cult mascarading as science. And because they got hold of every politician, while complaining that they are somehow oppressed, we are all doomed😢

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

@@FoundationGod 1- The ozone hole was real, it is reducing precisely because we collectively acted (removing CFCs). 2- Acid rain existed and still exists where air pollution is strong (sulfur and nitrogen oxides), fortunately here also this pollution is often reduced. So these issues were real. Same for climate: this is a very real issue.

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

@@dmitryisakov8769 So you don't believe the scientific consensus?? It was 97% now it reached even 99%, see study "Greater than 99% consensus on human caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature" by Mark Lynas and al. When will you start believing scientists then? When 99.9% papers confirm man-made climate change? Or you will wait for 100%? Or 110% (LOL)

@Rabauke. 8 ай бұрын

so basically we try to change the terminology from a scientific description to a social/political plea. I just think that labelling it a crisis just adds to all the other crises of our time, which the general understanding is that we can't do anything about it and it will get worse anyways. So isn't the perception of the term "crisis" the same as if we said "catastrophe"? If we want to point out the urgency of immediate action and at the same time stress the manoeuvering space we still have, could there be a more fitting term? I am thinking of something like "climate crossroads" although that's admittedly not very catchy ...

@GelatinousGoop 8 ай бұрын

I dont think crisis is at all the same as catastrophe and fits appropriately for something bad that is happening but hasnt completely happened yet. (and can still be stopped) There's a reason its called the cuban missile crisis and not the cuban missile catastrophe...which would also probably just be known as the end of the fucking world lmao. its a crisis because it could've been something terrible but was thankfully narrowly avoided leading to minimal repercussions(though you cant call the effects of climate change minimal at this point...)

@wolfgangkranek376 8 ай бұрын

"The First Global Revolution," Club of Rome, 1991: Page 85: "In the search for a common enemy (!) against which we could unite, it occurred to us that pollution, the threat of global warming, water scarcity, hunger, and the like would lend themselves to this (...) The real enemy is humanity itself."

@wolfgangkranek376 8 ай бұрын

@@thetej2227 And when was this any different? So the Apocalypse then must be all the time, every time...

@c.augustin 8 ай бұрын

At the current point in time, "crisis" is exactly what we are facing. At least in most regions of the world do face existential threats (there are probably regions that don't face huge problems, but I don't know any - maybe the deniers could provide us some examples).

@laurencefraser 8 ай бұрын

@@wolfgangkranek376 Dumb thing about these twits is that the bible explicitly lists off most of these things and then says 'but that's just what happens all the time anyway, not a sign of the end'. When it gets to actually describing the end (and the time when that starts is Explicitly unknown) it has a list of Much More Specific happenings that indicate that things are kicking off... And there's a couple of interpretations of exactly how that will go, but the one popular with the sort of people whose logic is so deficient that they think this sort of nonsense is productive indicates that the faithful will be GONE before all the bad stuff happens... so if the end times are happening and they're still here... They've screwed something up pretty badly! Mind you, the reality is that most of this bible verse spam is just bots posting chunks of the bible because it looks less like typical bot behaviour and more like legitimate interaciton, so KZfaq's automated systems are less likely to hammer them before they can do whatever it is they've been created to do.

@matthewleitch1 8 ай бұрын

The situation is one where the saying 'prevention is better than cure' is apt, although a bit of a simplification. Most people understand this idea. It is easier to do certain things now/very soon than to leave them undone and cope with the effects later.

@Pythagoras1plus 8 ай бұрын

in my eyes it's a *disturbance* - something that needs maintenance

@sentientflower7891 8 ай бұрын

Sorry but optimism & hope characterize ever presentation of climate change by journalists since 1989 and all that optimism & hope has led to 420 ppm carbon dioxide concentration and $7 trillion in fossil fuels investments circa 2023.

@James-qu8rz 8 ай бұрын

My "lived experience" about screwing the pooch on our planet's environment- riding my bike along a a six lane street (not counting the center turning lane) in heavy traffic thinking: "the cumulative effect of all this has to be very bad" and stopping by the bookstore and finding the current issue of Scientific American featured an article about global warming. The first I had ever heard of it. I think my experiences with gasoline as a kid did a lot to inform my attitude towards it. Washing my hands with to remove used oil stains (and apparently used oil is very bad, that's why modern car mechanics always wear nitrile gloves) and the feeling of it soaking into my skin. Seeing how a small amount of it on the surface of the river spread a sickeningly beautiful iridescent sheen across a a large portion of water. There must be something mind altering about it to keep people from recognizing how obviously toxic it is. And we burn it. And we breathe it. And there are children. Who are many times more susceptible to toxic effects of all sorts.

@audreysuter4315 8 ай бұрын

We are not made of sugar, neither is the planet we live on.

@mark4asp 8 ай бұрын

Because at a conference for media and NGO types, about 5 years ago, a bunch of journalists and the chattering classes decided on this linguistic turn. Soon after: The Guardian, NYT, and such, revised their editorial guidelines so that one was required to say "climate crisis" or "climate emergency" in every media comment about the climate. Where was Simon Clark when that happened? Cheering them on? Let's face it, Simon is on the side of climate alarmists, in their pocket.

@fromnorway643 8 ай бұрын

I still prefer the term "global warming" because it tells us in which _direction_ the climate is changing.

@simonabunker 8 ай бұрын

The heart of the problem is that the climate crisis doesn't have a technical solution as it is a political problem.

@tomwantshelp 8 ай бұрын

I’m not sure I agree that Simon’s audience clearly found positive messages more compelling - from the shot it looked about even.

@bartimaeusofuruk9681 8 ай бұрын

Damn, I think I recognize what protest the footage shown in the beginning was from. Mainz (Germany), pre pandemic. But I could be wrong.

@abc-mr7we 8 ай бұрын

Because marketing needs branding to make $$$, and climate panic merchants kept getting it completely wrong, so decided to pick a name so generic it could be anything.

@katzensindweich3505 8 ай бұрын

Changing our overly comfortable lives is just such a pain. That is the problem. We are lazy pos who just care about ourselves. You propose change you are declared an enemy.

@GusOfTheDorks 8 ай бұрын

Of course, people could also be doubtful about handing power over to indaviduals that tell them to panic

@katzensindweich3505 8 ай бұрын

@@GusOfTheDorks Do you hear voices? Let that get checked.

@GusOfTheDorks 8 ай бұрын

@@katzensindweich3505 Are you telling me that fighting climate change isnt going to involve giving the goverment more power to regulate trade and commerce?

@katzensindweich3505 8 ай бұрын

@@GusOfTheDorks Don't let anyone stop you making the nessecary changes yourself. A lot could be done by all of us without politics getting involved. But who of us lazy efs does it?

@GusOfTheDorks 8 ай бұрын

@@katzensindweich3505 Are you telling me that fighting climate change isn't going to involve giving the government more power to regulate trade and commerce?

@richard_d_bird 8 ай бұрын

i'm glad we've reached the point where we can have a meaningful discussion about how to phrase the language. it reaffirms my faith that we are totally doomed. the important thing is to maintain a positive attitude, however. the future is never really set in stone, until it actually gets here. you can always hope for a better outcome, and you might as well do so.

@georgesos 8 ай бұрын

You seem uncertain about the future 😮. It's either doom or it is not. If you decide that it is doom,then hope is irrelevant. Unless you want to lie to yourself. Why do that? In case? Of what? I am not attacking you,don't misunderstand me,I m genuinely puzzled.

@richard_d_bird 8 ай бұрын

@@georgesos you can be convinced doom is inevitable, and still be wrong about that. nobody has perfect knowledge of the future. this can be the source of both uncertainty, and hope. hope, unlike uncertainty, serves a useful psychiatric function. on balance you will function better, in your pathetic and futile little struggles to survive, if you've got a little hope in you. so it's good you always have this indisputable source of it. in my opinion. you're allowed to disagree with any part of this even though you are wrong wrong wrong

@matheussanthiago9685 8 ай бұрын

Optimistic nihilism for the win baby

@kitsodube9322 8 ай бұрын

@@matheussanthiago9685 i agree. The sooner people realize, the better

@tadhgtwo 8 ай бұрын

Another interesting video Simon

@davidjennings2179 8 ай бұрын

To be honest part of me wonders, looking at the effect we're having on the world, whether letting the species end might just be the better option. Probably not really, but the whole thing is pretty depressing. How do you get people to care when it isn't hitting them personally yet.

@kevoreilly6557 8 ай бұрын

“There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.”

@KT-pv3kl 8 ай бұрын

Ask yourself who made you feel that way rather than how you feel and why they did it. then ask yourself if the first oxygen creating bacteria thought about their impact on the planet and how terrible it was that the great oxygen catastrophe killed off 95% of all lifeforms on earth back then. life doesn't care if it gets hotter it will still struggle to adapt and evolve and you should do the same. trying to fight change is not how evolution got to humans it arrived there by adapting to ever changing circumstances.

@hedgehog3180 8 ай бұрын

Well it isn't really better if in doing so we take down the entire rest of the biosphere with us, then it becomes more of a murder-suicide.

@pavel9652 8 ай бұрын

So what about climate boiling? I don't find the term particularly convincing. It is rather funny.

@latheofheaven1017 8 ай бұрын

Not detracting from your point at all, but I first heard people saying, "Oh, it's climate change now, is it, I thought it was global warming" about 20 years ago, which was itself about 15 years after the formation of the IPCC. The Intergovernmental Panel on... Climate Change.

@isolationnationn 3 ай бұрын

Just a point here that *actual* engagement levels and what people prefer and thus *say* they’ll engage with is very different. The fluffy one makes them feel better, but does it actually make them act like the negative does to others?

@mhirasuna 8 ай бұрын

Words are important, but action still speaks louder than words. The actions of Germany, shutting down their nuclear plants and increased their burning of lignite, has done more to damage the climate movement than any climate denier.

@KT-pv3kl 8 ай бұрын

so was the american covert ops to blow up the north stream 2 pipeline that released more co2 into the atmosphere than any other human caused singular event in the entire history of our species.

@darthmaul216 8 ай бұрын

Comment for the algorithm

@mauritsbol4806 8 ай бұрын

10:35, but, if this didn’t work for climate change. Shouldn’t scientists in general be more emotive? How would that be possible? I mean, to me it just seems like evidence that humans don’t learn from logic alone, so we may need to rethink how we structure our works in general. This climate change thing is also a time when academics needs to reflect on itself, why it seems so hard to convey the general public of what they produce. This is one for the subject of academics and democracy in general

@dzcav3 8 ай бұрын

Scientists are NOT supposed to be social activists, using hyperbolic language to describe facts. They are supposed to present accurate, factual data and let politicians and others decide what policies to implement.

@dennistucker1153 8 ай бұрын

The petroleum industry is responsible for most of this issue. They have loads of money and political power. They will fight to keep things as they are. There really is no effective way to fight this.

@mk1st 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, thanks Citizens United (what a crap name)

@thepandaman 8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I just foresee videos in 20 years time being titled "Why the upcoming geoengineering isn't that bad after all!"

@KT-pv3kl 8 ай бұрын

"why we must give more power to the government and abandon all personal liberties in the fight against the climate armageddon!"

@mikewade777 8 ай бұрын

You only have to run faster than those dependent on personal liberties@@KT-pv3kl

@randomas8634 8 ай бұрын

It's easy to *think* hope will beat fear. And it will. For the *very few people* that will actually be able to do it.

@nice3294 8 ай бұрын

Amazing video as always

@opossumlvr1023 8 ай бұрын

Much of the Earth does does not have a climate that is well suited for plants and animals. If Climate Change is going to change the distribution of rain and temperature around the globe some areas will see an improvement in climate and others will get worse. It is reasonable that on average the Earth will remain just as habitable in the future as it is today regardless what the climate does.

@franckr6159 8 ай бұрын

Except that the "change the distribution of rain and temperature" will mean India, Indonesia, large parts of Africa and South America becoming unlivable hence a (fast !) change of the people distribution around the globe, which in practice means hundreds of milions people migrating from these areas to Europe and North America ! When you see what is people's reaction to migration which so far is at a scale some 1000 times smaller, imagine what will happen in Europe and North America when these people will come knocking at our doors! Chaos and wars, as simple as that.

@opossumlvr1023 8 ай бұрын

@@franckr6159 That sounds very racist to think that only White parts of the globe will get better in the future and conditions in areas predominantly Brown and Black will get worse.

@hedgehog3180 8 ай бұрын

Yeah but habitable for who because it's certainly not gonna be habitable for humans.

@opossumlvr1023 8 ай бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 Humans have proven that they can live in areas as cold as the arctic circle and as hot and dry as Sahara desert. We can survive a very wide range of climates, there is zero risk of the Earth becoming inhabitable to Humans due to climate change unless we have a second snowball Earth such as was the case 600-700 million years ago.

@solutionrebellion 8 ай бұрын

It cannot be a crisis when WWF, Greenpeace, XR and other green organizations are still campaigning against nuclear energy. If it would be a crisis, we would need to use all available technologies to avoid it. If we can afford (and even celebrate) closing perfectly fine nuclear power plants, then climate change is most likely not such a big issue as climate activists claim. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@ThomasVWorm 8 ай бұрын

Nuclear power plants are not a solution too. Almost nobody is using nuclear energy and they never did, except some very few countries. And even there it only accounts for a small fraction of the energy being used. So regarding climate change, nuclear energy makes no difference. So what we can argue about is whether this technology will help us in the future regarding climate change. Those organisations think, it will not.

@CitiesForTheFuture2030 8 ай бұрын

The bigger the fire, the louder the alarm calls... When the fire is small (climate change in 1960s) the alarm call was small, but as society has continued to ignore calls for action the alarm calls have been getting louder & lounder. Unfortunately those that are profiting from everyone carrying on as normal seek to assure everyone there is no fire. Unfortunately in a fire a tipping point arrives when it becomes unmanageable & out of control. The alarm call is now frantic because that climate tipping point is fast approaching. Any action on climate will take a few years to take effect - tech change transition, new processes & materials need to be developed & adopted etc - so, in fact, time to act decisively was yesterday!

@c.augustin 8 ай бұрын

"Any action on climate will take a few years to take effect" - to be implemented. Decades and centuries to actually have a mitigating effect.

@CitiesForTheFuture2030 8 ай бұрын

@@c.augustin I meant things like - implementing restorative agri globally - new renewable energy installations - zero waste to landfill - programmes to reduce food waste - insulate homes to make them more energy efficient - electrifying everything - access to public transport & EVs, awa active transport infrastructure - green industry (steel, cement & aluminium etc) - sustainable cities & communities - adaptation strategies for extreme weather & other impacts of climate change But you are correct in that restoring broken, degraded & polluted ecosystems could take a lot longer. Especially "fixing" our atmosphere & oceans, & restocking biodiversity etc

@hedgehog3180 8 ай бұрын

Fire is an apt metaphors considering that fires are one of the results of climate change.

@c.augustin 8 ай бұрын

@@CitiesForTheFuture2030 Looking at your list, I would say that even implementation is going to take half a century. I agree that this is all necessary, but it won't be done (at least not on a large enough scale, and not fast enough). Still too many forces putting all their energy (pun intended) in obstructing all necessary measures, for a variety of reasons. In a few decades a majority might see that it would've been necessary to act, but at the moment it is a shrinking minority (too much change for your everyday Joe).

@CitiesForTheFuture2030 8 ай бұрын

@@c.augustin Agreed. BIG difference between what NEEDS to be done and what IS being done. Most societal change does takes time - humans are creatures of habit; we hate change even if that change is good. But that still does doesn't change what HAS TO be done - and better sooner rather than later. I view the green transition as a big puzzle with the pieces slowly coming together as each sector of human activities work to decarbonise and with all the setbacks & resistance slowing the pace of the puzzle's completion. But as more pieces interlock the clearer the picture becomes and the quicker the pace to completion. I just hope the puzzle is completed in time... nature might just have the final say! One of my favourite envoro quotes (source unknown): you can't negotiate with nature; it sets limits & describes consequences...

@fopdoodler9427 8 ай бұрын

The number of crises in the world right now does deflate the definition of crisis, so it is kind of short term thinking.

@MrMichiel1983 8 ай бұрын

Neither fear nor hope are proper compellors, rather it's certainty, not of outcome but of resolution. That state negates either emotions. The inverse of resolution however, is dissonance. A state that occurs when knowledge collides with action. So I think the message should not be that climate is changing, but which innovations and activities will be most effective, profitable and equitable to prevent and/or adapt to such change.