Unless you're doing long range western shooting it's all one needs for whitetail hunting

But the .30-06 and it's numerous derivative chambering are actually useful for much more than just still hunting.

@@jeffslote9671 30.06 125 gr works in that application quite effectively.

@@davidkgreen agreed

I said the same thing and got a lot of douche bag comments on it. You are correct of course.

Not only is the cartridge a time-tested classic, the rifles that are famous for firing it are also, namely the Winchester and Marlin lever-guns. The 30-30 embodies the aphorism "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Why? Because it possesses adequate power to do what it is asked to do, without fanfare and hype - and it is chambered in fast-handling, handy lever-action carbines which work well with a scabbard on horseback or from a pick-up gun rack. Many ranchers, cowboys and farmers keep a lever-gun near at hand to drive off predators. Sure, there are newer and maybe more-potent options available, but for many hunters who won't be called upon to take their white-tail from more than 100 yards away, the venerable 30-30 is perfectly fine for the job and leaves nothing to be desired. Don't fix what isn't broken.

Very handy if shit hits the fan.

Another advantage is that the .30-30 comes in a format that is naturally ambidextrous which makes it very appealing to southpaws like me.

@@RaderizDorret same here. I have the left thumb knob on the hammer.

Look for the Hornady 210 grain ballistics tip rounds. Rivals the 308. Rubber tips. So the skinny points don't set off the primers in the magazine tube.

Neat story! It's always special when a boy gets a gun as a gift from his father. I can definitely relate!

One hundred twenty-seven years 10:58 of use can’t be wrong !

they litterally genocided the bison with that gun. it sure can kill a deer.

West was “won” by 1895, and not just in the last year after the 1894 was released. but that “gun that won the west” is often said of any lever gun…

@@WombatAnnihilator The Winchester 1873 was the gun that won the west.

Shut up

Yep in a nutshell

@@bighairyfeet well put

So does a brace and bit

Sharpened sticks still the job they are designed for, too.

When I was 17 I bag two deer with one shot at 125 yards hit the front one in the neck and then it hit the one standing behind him in the top of the head both went down like a house feel on them.

@@wiseguy4364 my brother did that also. Two in one shot with a model 94

I got mine for my 6th birthday. Gave my son to him on his 6th birthday last year. He got a caribou with it this year.

@@wiseguy4364 when I was 16 I got three with one shot , at 126 yards, all in the head.. oh , and they were elk.. huge bulls too.

I’ve never taken a deer with a 30-30 but I have taken many pigs with mine. I have a Marlin micro groove and aside from being very accurate, it’s the best truck gun around. For me anyway.

I bought a Browning HP around 1970 for about $105. I could barely afford it.

@@kennethquesenberry2610 that was quite a bit of cheddar in 1970. Kind of like saying you got a new Corvette that year for $8,000 😃

A box of 9mm was $5 around 1970. While there are lots of good pistols for around $500 or a little more, a good steel framed pistol will probably be over $600. Don't remember what Browning Hi-Powers cost the last time they were available but a new Colt Government Model is over $800 and is probably worth it, given what the competition goes for. Right now, 9mm is around $20. I haven't been able to find .357 Sig.

Man....those were the days

Must have been nice before inflation and boomer greed

amen to that!!

I did until my dad passed in Jan.2015,but still have my two grown sons.

Two Mcfly's with the same gun.

Buff! I own your dad

@@kevinroark5024 I’m sorry for youre loss

30-30 on Elk? Very interesting. I get shit from people for using .308 on Elk. I guess lots of people think you need anti aircraft guns to bring down big game.

@@warpig79 A lot of people are ignorant! A properly placed .22 can bring down an Elk. When I was in High School I witnessed a young man take down a running bull Elk with a single head shot at about 75 yards with a long octagon barreled 30-30. He had mastered that gun! Over the ensuing years I took down 6 elk with mine, two at about 200 yards. Only one required a 2nd shot. On deer and other animals of that size I used a 150 gr Corelock. On Elk I used a 170 gr Corelock.

@@warpig79 shot my first deer and first elk with my dad's model 94 30/30 then went to a 06 the last 10 years I have been shooting a .308 killed deer and elk with all of them hope to draw a moose in the next few years and put the .308 to work

@@warpig79 Anti aircraft?? Okay so I always thought it was eight TINY Reindeer!!🤣!! A center fire thirty caliber cartridge at 125 yards with proper shot placement will drop in its tracks whatever your target is. There have been plenty of Elk Moose Caribou antelope mule deer white tails bears wild boar 🐗 that have been dispatched very effectively with the.30-30 as it was the only choice for a smokeless powder cartridge for quite some time!

@@warpig79 lol. You are correct. I had a friend drop an elk with a 243. Granted it took 2 shots. Shot placement is key, regardless of 3030 or flak cannon.

Depending on where I am hunting, I will use a 30-30 for closer hunts. If I am looking at longer shots I will move to my .308. I used to hunt elk with the 300 win mag, but honestly, I really got to where I could make the same shots with the lighter weapon and didn't need the extra kick when shot placement is more important than impact velocity. Plus I keep more meat with the smaller loads.

I have said that very thing and great rifle and very dependable in wet conditions

300 Win Mag? Well if you want to cut it close. Better get the 50 BMG. LOL.

@@robertthomas5906 lol......

Where I live your lucky to get a shot at a deer much past 25 or 30 yards in these thick woods. The young hunters don't want to hear it but s 12 gauge slug is all you need

303 British

I've been using mine for 26 years. It just works.

We have one just for the thick brush here in sw-PA

So am I. My first 30/30 was the Glenfield Marlin, cost me about $100.00. I finally got the Winchester. It was my Pig Killer until I gave it to my Son In Law. Never got used again!! Now I have a 7mm Rolling Block but at 73 it's a lot of weight to carry! Shoots very well though!

From northern PA here, and a .30-30 killed my first deer, a running shot a little south of 200 yards at the edge of a cornfield. Years later, I bought my first deer rifle of my own, and went with a Marlin 336, in 30-30. It's the gun in the rack that's always got a couple rounds in the tube in case of bobcats, coyotes, or poachers, too.

@@saikotikgunman northern alberta here, the winchester 30-30 killed me two wall hanger whitetail bucks.

Michael really for poachers too. Sometimes a poached animal is kinda ok in certain situations. Not that I would poach an animal but just saying,hungry and desperate just saying

Beagle? Great hunting and tracking dog as well as a family dog.

That sir is the truth!

after my 28 yr marriage ended i soon learned that my dog is more faithful and my 30-30 is better to look at.

Dudley - This reminds me of a video on You Tube that shows a clip from an old western movie that shows Walter Brennan and John Wayne sitting around, Ricky Nelson playing a guitar and Dean Martin singing "My rifle, my pony and me."

And your better off keeping it that way!

History, heritage, heirloom

@@TheSulross Amen brother

When I spent time up in the Yukon Territory, & roaming around Dawson City, & up in the Cyprus Anvil Range was packing for Grizzlies. ...saw enough of them. I had a Marlin 1894 .44 magnum lever action with micro groove barrel. The .44 ammo was 240 grain jacketed. I know it wasn't recommended, but I also used the rifle ammo in my sidearm.....a Ruger .44 magnum with a 7.5 inch barrel. The recommended sidearm ammo was .44 magnum 200 grain non-jacketed. I wanted close "punch-power" that I didn't think I would get with a 30-30, & that's what most of the guys up there carried.

@@georgebellerose4988 a 30/30 at 100yds has the same muzzle energy as a .44 mag at point blank 🤷‍♂️ just saying.

Does it work against boars? I thought i might help fight the pig invasion.

Got setup and had my car with all my guns in it stolen....got the car back though and a friend who owns a gunshop got my original S&W Schofield back..he recognized it and gave the guy trying to sell it an ultimatum.

@@mrkyzaa2324 I ordered and sent a screenshot. Please email me back.

I hate a thief too.

@@nathanlambshead4778 That's a fake site man

@@nathanlambshead4778 You got scammed. Get your credit agency or bank to do a chargeback and file a fraud report.

I do too.

Mine was manufactured in 1951.

Leave the bears alone. Do you need to eat the bear to survive?

@@miguelfilo962 they make fine sausages, burgers and roasts. Leave the hunters alone, they aren't hurting you.

Got mine when I was 15 (1972). Coast to Coast HW was having a sale on Win M94, $68.88. Told my Mom, then she asked how much money I had in the bank. $40.00 I told her. Then we'll take that out and I'll pay the balance. We went in the next morning. Well, you had to order it, so we were the 8th to order one. The following week they were in. Oh, what a beautiful rifle. We had to go down the street to the Montgomery Ward Catalog store. They had 2 boxes of 170gr Flat Point. I went down to a neighbors range, fired 1 rnd each at 50yds, 100yds, & 150yds. Hit the bullseye with each shot. Never bought any 150gr bullets. When I was 17 & just finished the school year, I spent the summer at a Cabin next to a river (a few miles outside of town). The Caretaker was a WWII Veteran. I slept out on the front porch which was closed in and had screening for the upper portion of the wall. One night the goats came running up the stairs, nearly pushing the screen out of the door. Grabbed the 30-30 & flashlight, chased them about 100yds out in the field. Walking back to the Cabin I saw a pair of eyes about 40-50 ft ahead. I said aloud, "How did you get past me"? I turned and started counting pairs of eyes. Twice. "Well, all the goats are there. Who the hell are you"? Well, the eyes were bigger than the goats' eyes. They were also only 20 ft from me now! Then it hit me! Some of the neighbors had seen, or had trouble with a large Black Bear. And now he was right in front of me (between me and the cabin). I told him, "I'm not playing dead, I've got a rifle". I aimed between his eyes and fired. Cocked the lever & was ready for a 2nd shot. He jumped around 2 -3 times then stopped about 12-15 ft from me, with his feet spread, holding his head low, like he was trying to look under the light. Now all I could think about was all those stories of hunters being mauled by bears! The flashlight was going dim, and I couldn't see the front sight! So I looked down the centerline of the barrel, and lined up with the centerline of his body and fired. He dropped, and I went for the cabin. The Caretaker says "what are you shooting at....Hippies!" I said "there's a big ole Black Bear out there!" He jumped out of bed, threw a rob on, grabbed his turn-of-the-century model 94, 6 volt dry cell flashlight, out the backdoor onto the back porch. You could hear him growling out there. He handed me the light and said "Hold it on the back of his head." Which I did. Then he put a 117gr bullet into the brain. I was going to check to see if he was dead, and he said "wait about an hour." OK. He's been hunting bear since he was 24. now he's 64 (born in '08) I'll take his word for it. After a few minutes he says, "I've seen too many hunters walk up to a 'Dead' bear, then the bear gets up and mauls the hunter" He'd only seen 2 get killed, which was 2 too many. A lot of them ended up going to the hospital or just a doctor. After 45 minutes, he says to let 'Bo' out. (the Owners Golden Retriever). He walked around for 10 minutes till he was down wind of it (just barely a breeze). then all four feet were off the ground. It was funny! He was back on the porch in a flash. Sherman was laughing his rear off. So was I. Then he says, "Go check on it!" Down the stairs, over to where he lay. I tapped on his rear leg, no reaction. Headed around the front end, tapped him, no reaction. Back inside he called the Owner, said he be out in the morning with some help. Seven vehicles pulled in about 0500. Brought his brother & sister-in-law, with children...Brother-in-law and children...couple of cousins and children. I climbed a Laurel tree and hung a Block & Tackle w/3 sheaves on top, 2 on bottom, with 1" rope. Sherman said about 400lbs. Well, with 6 lines that comes to 67 lbs per line. Couldn't budge that boar. I said "well he weighs more than 400lbs, that's for sure." The owner's brother-in-law says "let's do some measuring". I had my tape on my belt, and he asked me to measure the rear foot. OK. I measured the rear-pad of the left foot. "What 's cha got", I said 15 inches. "The whole foot?" he asked. "No, just the rear foot pad, not the toe-pads." He said "Well, he's definitely bigger than 400lbs." Just adding on: The Caretaker's father had bought that M94 at the turn-of-the-century. 28 inch Octagon barrel, 25-35 Win cartridge. "Williams" Tang-mounted, Pop-up Peep Sight. I took two deer that summer with it. (season was 1st Sat in August to 3rd Sunday in September, limit 2 Black Tail Deer, Bucks, must be Forked on one side, must be 1 inch between points, NO SPIKE Bucks).

@@davidwevans4132 Great Story. Loved hearing about your adventure.

Oh a 32 special is way better than a 30-30. Atleast 1 or 2 % better.

I miss western auto that was a good all around store !!

@@davidwevans4132 cost to cost was another awesome store along with western auto we had them both !!

For even more savings cast your own. Heavy 30-30 doesn't need to be pushed fast like a lot of cartridges which makes it easier to use cast lead.

Your velocity and distances have to match. _• 1st, select the projectile with a sectional density appropriate for the game animal._ _• 2nd, select the cartridge that will deliver the appropriate velocity at the expected distances._ Sectional Density & Velocity work in tandem. velocity determines the expansion characteristics of the projectile. An expanding bullet will lose penetration as its sectional density increases. _• Too high of a velocity will cause jacket separation and total fragmentation._ _• Too low of a velocity won’t expand sufficiently in its intended target._ 30-30 provides ideal velocities below fragmentation threshold, which is about 2400 fps. 30-30 with 150 gr .226 SD ammunition has a muzzle velocity of 2390 fps _(24” barrel)_ This provides you with a point blank range on a 4” target of 183 yards. _(PBR zero meaning it will be on that 4” target from the muzzle to 183 yards)_

Same here. My dad left me a 336 from 1951, in 35 Remington. I’m older, bigger and slower myself so I feel your pain.

I have one also, and I love that rifle!

@@dr.froghopper6711 yep, got the same year and caliber, waffle top (not drilled/tapped) beautiful rifle.

I purchased a Marlin 336 chambered in .35 Rem. About 15 years ago and after using it for a couple of years I haven't taken another rifle out of the safe When deer season rolls around . I feed her a steady diet of Remington core lokt or Winchester power point 200 grain roundnose bullets and she performs perfectly. Most of my shots have been within 100 yards , but I did stretch her out to 325 yards one time which resulted in a dead deer.

I hear ya, "guy calgary." Sadly and realistically in 2021 some 'bad egg' is going to steal it -- whether or not windows are up and truck locked -- or, in more locales than 'in the good ole days' -- some peace officer will pull you over and say, "Where have you been, pal?! You gotta put that baby in the cargo hold -- out of sight and locked." Moi: "But officer, as you can see, my pick-up doesn't have a cargo hold." Officer: "Then, leaver 'er at home. . . . BTW, some 'goodie-two-shoes' / 'nervous Nellie' speed-dialed 9-11 complaining about some vehicle just seen with a gun in it. That's why you and I are having this discussion." So, as your comment clearly states: "When I was a kid . . . " And those easier, more civilized days with an educated and more tolerant populace -- civilians and law enforcement officers -- are never to return. Sigh. . . . . On a truck that's basically limited to the owner's property -- a .30-30 AND a .22 are the ideal duo in a multi-level rack in the rear window. Shotgun or fishing rod optional for the third position. An idyllic sight most definitely. Thanks again, Ron Spomer Outdoors, for an informative, 'by the numbers,' professionally produced, visually entertaining report.

Even here in Police State Florida my dad ran around like that in his old Chevy truck.

I remember most people kept them on a gun rack across the window.

Some kids hunted before and after school. It wasn't unusual for a pickup to be parked out in the school parking lot with hunting rifle and/or shotgun in the rack. It just wasn't a big deal, although the boys who didn't have 'em were envious. Quite a few kids had jobs and saved up for a car when they turned 16 or 17. Times were simpler then, and I lived out in the country.

@@harrymills2770 i.e. better.

Pre 64 is a true treasure, no comparison to the latter models, their heavier tighter and smooth operations, newer ones are accurate and reliable, but fit and Finnish is a definite disappointment, and should probably should have Daisy carved in the stock, because it sounds like one when you grab it, lots of rattles.

Well I grew up a boy but had my choice too. The Marlin with the side ejection not to mention the lever pull. The Marlin felt a lot smoother because on the 95 the bottom drops too. Still smooth but feels wierd. ButI use 170 grain projectile and not the 150 grain. Honestly with 170 grain I would not hesitate firing at 250 yards which is the max of my shooting lanes.

@@daveweed2765 When my rifle had open sights, I really didn't like shoot more than 150 yards. I made the mistake of loaning my rifle to my older sister and she slammed the truck door on my rifle's front sight, and bent it. Thus the scope. Usually the deer were close enough, even when I used the scope, but once, with the scope I took a shot, that I would have hesitated on with the open sights. I still probably would have done it...but it would have been pushing my comfort level. We (my dad and I) went to the firing range here every fall to practice...and I would shoot a few past the 150 mark with my open sights, and didn't have a problem hitting where I wanted. But that was a paper target, not a live animal that I did not want to suffer....nor did I want to have to track it up some mountain if I wounded one. So I played it safe while hunting and didn't go for longer shots. I'm proud to say I never had to track a deer. They usually dropped instantly, or only made 1 to 5 jumps before going down. I would rather not shoot than take too much of a risk that the deer would be wounded and keep going. BTW, I also had an antique .22 single shot rifle with open sights. I use to shoot the heads off of grouse with that rifle. My dad also had an antique .22 but with a peep sight on it - it was accurate, but he said it was actually harder/slower to find the target compared to an open (non-peep sight) rifle. We did not shoot into the body of the grouse...they have most of the meat in the breast, and even that, compared to like a cornish hen, isn't a lot. So we didn't want to destroy and of the body meat...thus the head shots. I rarely ever missed the first shot. My dad, though, who was like a sniper...but having to use the peep sight, would sometimes miss the first shot, but rarely had to take a 3rd shot. My dad's shooting skills amazed me...he used a 30-06 Remington with a scope for elk hunting and didn't have a problem dropping an elk from 500 yards. I used a .270 Winchester with a scope for elk hunting...but I wouldn't take those long distance shots with that either...usually stayed 150 to 200 yards max.

@@StormyPeak Yeah. I'm pretty ethical too. Sometimes I won't take a shot. With a 170 grain bullet my max shot would be 250 yards which is the very end of my shooting lane. These are pine thickets with open sights. Always use 170 grain Winchester Super X. I sight in at 30 yards with the little wierd bead wher I want the projectile to hit. That gives me about 100 yards at the same MOA. At 200 yards I add elevation past the bead to the top of the ramp. And at 200 yards get within 1/2 an inch. At 350 yards which I wouldn't shoot a deer at that distance my sight picture is at the bottom of the ramp top of the barrel and within an inch of wher I am aiming. But I am too damn old to chase blood trails. I have always stuck with 170 grains because it seems the most accurate with the best "knockdown" power and flattest shooting. But then again I am a little obsessive when it comes to zeroing in a rifle. On a normal target with the orange at 25 yards, if not dead center on a rest an 8th of an inch off translates to inches the farther the shot. So "good" is not good enough. I just can't get into scopes. Did I bump it? I sighted it in and it was warmer or colder than it is now. And so on. My open sights are scored on the bluing. Be it fixed front and dovetail rear or dovetailed blade front and back if the scoring is right then back to a target. But no. I have let some pretty big kills walk. He'll I counted 13 points on a buck one time through binoculars but not in my lane. Way to lazy to track blood trails. More than 40 feet is too far. The meat won't be as good. Adrenaline is the one thing that will kill the taste of meat. The faster the heart stops the less adrenaline.

@@daveweed2765 Nice to hear how you did your targeting practice and hunting preferences. And I get the 'too old for tracking' lol. When I was young and dumb, I didn't know the meaning of: "Even though you can, it doesn't mean you Should" As mentioned, I'm a 60 year old woman, but back in my 20s and 30s, I did men's work. I unloaded freight trucks, help cut carpet and vinyl and load the cuts into the installer's trucks. I pretty much ruined my back in doing work that I should have just left to the men to do. The freight consisted of heavy furniture, appliances, custom kitchen cabinets, plus flooring, Huge rolls of carpet, vinyl, boxes of ceramic tiles, wood planks, laminates. Plus I use to go home and bust wood with a maul for my wood stove. And during hunting season, I use to help drag an elk or deer to the truck and get it into the truck bed...then once home, we butchered out own meat...so the animal had to be hung, skinned, and then some few days later, taken down, hauled into the house where we butchered it on our plastic tarped kitchen table. Just a Lot of work. My dad passed in 1994, and I quit hunting around 1998...back problems, but too, my brother and I took over the family store, and there never seemed to be any time after that. I never really liked killing the animals, but I loved the meat, and too, I just loved being up in the mountains, walking or waiting among the lodge pole pines and hearing the winds making them sway and creak. I miss the hot coffee from the thermos on cold Idaho mornings as we would find a ridge we wanted to walk up to, but had to wait for a little more daylight. I had 2 rifles, my 30-30 and my 30-06, plus when I moved out the house at age 18, my dad gave me a .22 revolver for personal protection at home. I still have the .22, but given my back condition and the need for money to pay hospital bills, I ended up selling my rifles. I cried for days in having to sell that Marlin. I bought the 30-06, but the Marlin 30-30 lever action was a gift from my dad. He hunted with it for at least 15 years before he gave it to me in 1978.

@StormyPeak My dad took me hunting too by 14. His first son I called myself tho I was his second daughter. Sears made by Winchester 30/30 he let me hunt with I loved. He passed 23 yrs ago and I still have it. I miss him and hunting and fishing with him

My Pop's kept his 5 son's away from fire arm's but we made are own out of wood barrow a neighbor kid's toy rifle traced it on wood cut it out with a jig saw made it look real with a file shaped it. We used to hike in the park but it looked like a Forrest had many tree's creek. Play like we were on some type of army patrol hike all over the hills. We were pretty far from home thinking back none of us were teen's. It wasn't until we became adults to buy are hunting riffles.

Love that, thank you for sharing that piece of your story.

Same here in New England. Hills and trees..

Same here in Appalachia. No one around here looks down on a Marlin 30 30.

Have both 30.30 Remington and a 30. 06 Remington just depends upon what kind of hunting I’m doing if I am in the brush nothing beats a 30.30 Open field 30.06

Here in New England a 30 yard shot is common. My closest shot was around 7 feet. And I missed haha.

Hell, I've hunted some spots in the Adirondack Mountains where I could hear the deer but couldn't see him until he walked out of the brush 10 yards away. No need for a flat-shooting, long-range rifle most places there. A 30-30 is just fine and you used to be able to buy the ammo at every mom and pop gas station. Ah, those were the days when you could buy ammunition at a gas station. It wasn't that long ago, but before the libtards started protecting us.

America moments paid in arms

My first gun also when I was 16 from my dad, marlin 336 I have it to this day and it's one of my favorite guns i own.

Living in new York the best I could get for a lawn is 10$ an hour....that was a fantastic deal Count yourself lucky my friend Hell I bet you still have that 30-30 I know I wouldn't get rid of it

@@screenname6829 yup, still have the 30-30. It was my main deer rifle for probably a decade or more. I forgot to add that same guy also gave my dad a 16 guage shotgun (can't remember the brand) for some work he did on his house once. I just asked my dad about it the other day because I stumbled upon some 16g shells at a store and I haven't seen them in years. My dad told me that someone had stolen it from him years back unfortunately.

@@boddaboom77 Damn shame about that shotgun. All the more reason to treasure that little rifle though im sure i dont need to tell you that. All the best to you and stay safe out there

@TRUE NORTH RIDING Thank You. I'm stoked. I don't love the Model 94 for it's ballistic attributes. I like Ron's presentation, regardless.

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Keep it forever , i wish my dad would have been into guns .

@@johnwallace1729 I intend to, Sir. Thanks for commenting.

@@rgalletta58, Congrats!👍 There's nothing like receiving heirloom firearms! I have 3 myself. I have plenty of firearms, but usually grab one of the 3 for deer season. Dads .32 Win, Gramps .308 Win, and a good friends .401 Win SL.

That Hornady ammo really works well in my Marlin 336... Extends the range also.

You can get the 243 or the 308 in lever actions.

Your are correct but if you don’t have a box mag your rifle is useless. I would definitely love one of the 6.5 Creedmoor ones!

@@jameschaisson7747 well since no one makes a tubular magazine lever action in .243 or .308 it’s not much of a worry.

Unless you honey pronghorn or deer out past 300 yards the 33rd of the job past 300 yards I would go with a 243. At 400 yards the 243 will beat a 308 and about equal to a 30-06.

And if you’re like me, you can’t hit anything past 150.

Exactly so!

I came across a mint JM marked marlin 30-30. I passed on it...wished l didnt went home to read up on it ..went back a day later and it was gone.

i dunno man i have a model 94 and it kicks like a mule

@@musicordeon3790 I always thought the 3030 and the 308 kicked hard until I started shooting rifles that actually recoiled. If you doubt I have a 45-70 or a 416 rigsby that would put it into perspective for you😉

im sure they do.

Not surprising. The deer and the brush haven't changed since 1895.

They say that the 30-30 has put more meat 🥩 on the table than any other gun. That’s good enough for me !

I prefer the 32 special for NH for the optional bear

30-30 is a fine deer rifle, but I don't like it for bear. Seen too many people lose bears with it.

@@jimpeschke3435 choose a 170 grain bullet. It will decimate them much more than the 150

@@gavinm1347 I would expect that to work. I often use a .308 for bear, but I've seen (in video and in person) bears lost or require multiple shots from a .30-30, but I can't say which types of rounds they were using. How many have you taken with your .30-30?

Great gun

I hunt the Northern Woods. Also with a Marlin 30-30. I like it better than the Winchester for shooting, but to be honest, the Winchester is an easier carry and quicker to throw to the shoulder. I have both. but I always take my Marlin. Just love it more I guess.

I still use a 35 today….my grandfather, dad, and myself have killed many deer with it. Never had a reason to ‘upgrade’ it.

Never had a 35 Rem..

Well, .25-35 Win, .30-30 Win, .32-40 Win, .32 Win Spl, .348 Win, .35 Rem, the 38-55 Win, & the .45-70 Govt. Of those, I would say the .30-30 Win, .32 Win Spl, & the .35 Rem. I’ve seen more .32 Win Spl in Northern Calif than .35 Rem. Seen more .35 Rem in AZ & TX than .32 Win. Basically, those 3 cartridges top the Lever Action hunting. Although, over the past few years the .45-70 has been making headway, mostly moose & bear hunting.

@@tonyv8925 It’s on my list! .32 Win Spl.

Yes, great to carry in one hand. A few years ago I got rid of a 1895 Winchester because with the magazine it was uncomfortable to carry in the hand. If I don't love it, it moves on....

One of the reasons the "cowboy' rifles have endured is that their slab-sided design, free of projections or things to snag upon, works so well in a scabbard hung from a saddle. You can use a bolt-gun from horseback, but it just isn't as easy or hassle-free as an old lever-gun. They carry well on the foot, too, and point great and come up fast when that prize deer appears suddenly. And for most shots, an optic isn't needed. Those iron sights work fine once you get 'em zeroed properly and know your trajectory.

@@GeorgiaBoy1961 The 30-30 is also a good brush round. It's such a heavy bullet, you can shoot through twigs or grass and not drastically change the trajectory or cause it to disintegrate on impact.

Same reason my Model 94 is always at the ready ( mine is in .44 mag). I happen to like using it over my bolt guns sometimes. It all depends on what mood I’m in. Everything I shoot with it dies within 20-30 yds

@Donald Anderson: The 30-30 will actually out perform the 7.62 X 39 by a decent margin, especially with the newer Hornady Flex Tip bullets. In the 30-30 I've actually hand loaded High BC bullets like the Hornady 165 gr SST for improved longer range performance, but have to limit the rounds to only two, one in the mag and one in the chamber to prevent a possible detonation in the tubular magazine.

I've always heard this and it makes sense. Have you seen any information to back it up? I'd be interested in seeing it tested.

@@tonyjackson5115 There's been some testing of "brush gun" ballistics. The results are varied. In general though, the .223/5.56/5.45 sized projectiles are particularly vulnerable to deflection. Any super long and thin round has a greater chance for developing a wobble after contact with something else.

@@tonyjackson5115This video is interesting m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hpuUqcho26e9aX0.html

Well said. It also bolsters the notion that ballistic tables aren't the only criteria was apply when choosing a rifle.

“Better” is subjective.

@@Bowhunter1300 That was an empty statement. Ron Spomer expressed his opinion, and you disagree. So what?

and, 356 winchester

Don't forget the tried and true 45-70.

@@johnwillis4706 Have one of those as well. Should've bought a 307 when they were inexpensive. . . . one always gets away!

@@leebaker2588 So it would seem. I missed a beautiful engraved and stocked Winchester .264 mag, some time ago.

I would like to get a 35 remington. I've herd tins of good stuff about that round

What is sad is that you can't own or try one in your country without a license, a good reason, and is subject to confiscation if you fart wrong.

Sucks you guys let your government steal your right of self protection.

Move here. We want you here.

Nice isn't it?

Ron I remember having a short conversation about the 6.5 swedish. I stated that the boers had shot cape buffalo using 159 gr monolithic solid rounds. I wondered if you found anything to that effect in writings on the subject.

@@bobdixon4998 one thing we know for sure is the Swedes and Norwegians use it for moose all the time and that's good enough for me, I love the 6.5x55 !

@@bobdixon4998 Haven't had time to research that yet, Bob, but I've no doubt it happened. Bell for a time used a 6.5 Mannlicher-Schoenauer and took a wide variety of game including elephants. The 6.5x55 is a bit more powerful than the Mannlicher.

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Sad but true.

It's hard to fathom that Los Angeles in the 1930s was one of largest producers of crude oil in the country and the area (especially around LaBrea) was open desert country.

@N B Actually, there are quite a few rigs pumping behind house facades in the area!

Story is from 1973 not 1930. Inland empire. We still had a noon whistle that the fire dept. would sound you could hear it all over town.

It was called freedom

Go back and magnet fish it out. How cool would that be?

Which river, and at what point on the river?

@@blueduck9409 the river in which he dropped it..at the point where it was dropped. Any more questions , youngster?

@@guaporeturns9472 Im not a spring chicken any more. Lol.

@@blueduck9409 nor am I my friend , nor am I ... but I really want to try magnet fishing .. looks cool.

He mentions "Henry has a whole lot of them" just after 18 min mark