Less dogmatic Less involved/corrupted by politics More open-minded More freedom Allowed romantic relationships and… Headed by Luke fricken Skywalker Need I say more?

Cause they stayed away from Disney

I love that Disney has de-canonized most of this... Yet the fandom went 'nope' and is still interested more in the "legends" than "canon" :)

From what I remember, the reason Luke encouraged marriage and Families. Wasn't to perpetuate Jedi Bloodlines. But because the life lessons that made him emotionally stable. We're taught to him by Owen and Beru. Similar to the reasons Superman is a good person and understands human perseverance. Is because of Jonathan and Martha Kent.

You could argue that Darth Tyrannus (Dooku), was the Sith counterpart to these Jedi. He could wield his anger and hate, but also had the control of a Jedi. He was more about skill and control than most Sith.

This paradigm of Luke's teaching in "legends" is the reason Mark Hamill outright said that "cannon" Luke wasn't the same Luke he played in the original series.

I love how Luke successfully revived the order by following the original Ballanced approach of the Je-Dai rather than sticking to the dogmas of The High or Old Republic. Wether he knew it or not, Luke was teaching the true balance of The Force as it was always meant to be.

He encouraged his Jedi to maintain strong ties with their families, but he also treated his order like a family too.

The answer could be summed up in two words, "emotional maturity". In the EU, when members of Luke's Jedi started to turn to the darkside, many of the had the emotional maturity to self-reflect and realize what was happening and stop it. Those, that went deep, like Kyle, were still able to be pulled back to the light by his friends. If the situation allowed, Luke and his followers would try to pull people from the darkness and talk try to reason with that. Sometimes that worked. Sometimes it did not. This also explains why Anakin and later Janus, along with others could not turn back. Lack of emotional maturity, along with, for Anakin, no one trying to pull them back.

Yes, Luke's Jedi Order produced the most powerful force users. Among them, I would single out Kyp Durron, as the most powerful Jedi of the first 12 Praxeum students, who at one point in the Yuuzhan Vong War came to consider himself more powerful in the force than Luke himself. Then we would have Kueller, who in Mara Jade's own words had the potential to be more powerful than the Emperor. Another case would be Anakin Solo, who had such great potential in the force, that Luke himself did not believe that his own son would be as great a Jedi as his nephew had been. His other two brothers are powerful force users, but they would not measure up to him either. Luke's Jedi Order became this powerful because it abandoned the concepts and dogmas that caused its downfall in the first place. *"Yes, they would. For whatever prohibitions and restrictions the Jedi Order had placed on its members during the Old Republic, he now knew to the core of his being that, somehow, those restrictions no longer applied. to him and his fellow Jedi. This was the New Jedi Order.”* - Luke Skywalker (Survivor's Quest) Luke's Jedi Order is better, in every way. *"I have known Jedi. Many, many years ago. That knowing was not a gladness for me. I believed I would never know another, and I rejoiced in that belief. But it is a gladness for me to be proven wrong. I am happy to have known you, Jedi Luke Skywalker. You are more than they were. So you believe. But I say to you: you are greater than the Jedi of former days. Because unlike the Knights of old, Jedi Luke Skywalker… You are not afraid of the dark."* - Kar Vastor (Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor)

The Clone Wars Era Jedi tried to shape Jedi into what they wanted, Luke allowed them to be what they were meant to be

The problem with the previous Jedi philosophy was that it could have worked well if they were simply monks living in isolation and meditation in their temples, but they weren't/didn't. They made it their duty to go out in the galaxy to protect and serve, thus they would have inevitably come into situations where they would be confronted with emotions that they were raised and trained to ignore instead of deal with and control and thus would have no experience with handling them. I also liked the point you made about Luke teaching some about the dangers of the dark side instead of just trying to ignore it. The Jedi of the past in their arrogance believed that they knew everything there was about the force and what to avoid which led them to becoming stagnant and uncompromising and also unable to adapt to the new dangers that was Sidious who unlike the Sith of old who were waving around their lightsabers in droves on the frontlines with the Jedi, were now doing everything from the shadows.

Makes a lot of sense when you put it like this. His order started with only the most powerful canidets because he couldn't do the blood test stuff the previous orders did, only seek out those who were so powerful they manifested powers without training. Then those top tier canidets had kids, mostly with each other, producing legacy children which meant instead of constantly looking for people who randomly 'mutated' Force connections his Praxium ensured those connections and genes were passed on and cultivated.

Why Luke's Jedi order is a success. They actually cared and told others it's okay to care.

Here is why: Luke Skywalker understood that the Jedi Order or Obi-Wan and Yoda dealt in absolutes and feared the Dark Side. And he also treated his Jedi like people. Which was something the old Order didn’t do.

I so wish we could have seen a live action version of this era. For years before Disney even announced sequels, I was thinking which actors would make great Solo Twins, Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade, Thrawn etc. All wasted. What a tragedy.

Luke understood there was no good and bad in the force, only perceived sides. Yes some techniques were only available to one side or the other, but that was dependent on the goal of the user, not the technique. Yes Luke used some questionable techniques, but in the service of good. I also loved letting the students learn of the dark side, so they would recognize it in the moment and be able to fight it, if need be

Sounds like Luke took a more neutral stance in the force. Not using Darkside powers or even envying the Darkside, but realizing the truth. Sometimes they are right...sometimes his enemies had a lesson to teach.

i feel that what luke did is expand on what meetra surik did. she basically rebuilt the galaxy with her bare hands and only nine other people through these same concepts such as using your emotions without letting them control you, fighting for love, and knowing what you can and cant do alone. if she was able to head the order instead of having to search for revan i believe the jedi would be very different by the time of the clone wars.

I agree because it took obi wan Kenobi to get angry and tap into his emotions to defeat maul the first time

I would also say that Luke sorta did did something the Zeison Sha had done, who were a line of Jedi that were separated from the main order during the Major Sith Wars of the Old Republic, but technically before the two games. They believed in having families and that emotional control was better than emotionally walling yourself. While they had their own Academy on a Barren Wasteland they made suitable through sheer stubbornness and the Force to live, they also believed that Families should have the choice in how they train their children, so a lot of Zeison Sha were just homeschooled.

I mean you can learn self defense by practicing Tai Chi and Wushu, or you could go MMA and really learn to throw hands and feet (and elbows and knees etc).

Since i was a kid i always loved Luke Skywalker. Now knowing this details of his true intentions for his new generation Jedi Order i love him even more. The best Jedi of all time.

Seems like Luke had a personal vendetta against everything Obi-wan and Yoda taught and thought. Start out training old people, then foster and nurture attachments, and finally let Jedi learn about the dark side instead of just telling everyone to fear it. That's why legends is the best starwars.

I believe the biggest weakness of the jedi is the supression of emotions and closed minded view of the force, luke and his students by embracing emotion, freedom and open mind, they can draw the force the far more natural way, and even without the force they can acquire other skills other then just being a jedi, he even allowed his students to use darkside technique as long as they used it to do good, biggest example being jedi academy game.

As someone who has always avoided extended universe stuff in favor of avoiding retcons/canon disputes (and also because I would lose WAY too much time/$$ getting into *ALL* of it), I very much appreciate you guys who do these types of analyses. But I've gotta say this channel seems to go above and beyond most, by actually taking the time to add video clips, instead of just static comic book illustrations to accompany the info. Well done. 🤙

I think choosing people who need a master's help who are older is the wisest thing you could do because they already have great power therefore they wouldn't need to look for more not only that they're looking for help to control it now you establish a good in them

It is surprisingly here that Luke Skywalker took a page out of the book of the Sith in order to form his new Jedi order, and I am actually wondering how powerful were the Jedi of the era of one Sith because there was an ancient Jedi master among this era his name was Kukuk, and he survived multiple attacks from General grievous during the clone wars he surprisingly survived the era of the clone wars, and the imperial era, and the Jedi purge, which is surprising to say the least

If we could redo Disney's sequel trilogy, I would have it be about Luke's Jedi order. That is much more fascinating to me.

I'll go along with this. When i learned in the movies that the Jedi had been kidnapping toddlers for centuries, I was appalled, the Order deserved to fall. It was an abomination. Luke spent two (three?) years between New Hope and ESB just trying to get a grip on his new powers, and using them to help his friends and the rebellion. He did it out of service, loyalty and love. The same reason he risked his life to rescue Han, Leia and Chewie. (And he was mostly successful. He almost died, but Leia and Chewie escaped, and while captured Han was at least alive. That wouldn't have happened unless, and until, Vader thought Luke was "in the bag.") Owen and Beru deserve a lot more credit than they've been given. Luke must have been a handful, but they raised him right. And that love carried him through the rest of his life.

Wow, incredibly insightful and well told. Thanks!

I agree with this idea but would like to add that I do believe luke had more experience and understanding of the dark side then most and that allowed him to control himself and help others control there darksides as well.

I so wish that Star Wars could've followed what is Legends, would've been such an amazing chance to make series and movies on it all. Growing Star Wars for all to enjoy, not alienating the fanbase by redoing it all, when it wasn't even needed, and had proven to work with the fanbase

Your videos are truly awesome. We appreciate it!

Fantastic video. Thank you x

Another great vid Thank you for your dedication

This is perfect. Perfect description! Nothing to add. .Like Daryl's Designs also said

So basically Luke teaches the way of Gray Jedi with a twist.

This is why Luke’s Jedi Order was much superior than the previous Jedi Order. Because if they married each other, then they will have more Jedi and because love will always overcome the darkness

Always nice to watch your videos 👍 and to dive into the expanded universe 🤩

With all this I'm just reminded by the intro of the last fight in Jedi outcast, where Katarn is tempted by Desan to "join me in the power of the dark" and Kyle just turn it on him to "come back to the light, join us." And that's a cool scene, sure with out context of this it just sounds like a mockery but now we know Luke's Jedi are that comfortable in there aliment.

Loved this.

Thank you

Thanks for keeping up the lore of us old fans who read the books pre Disney blasphemy..my take is Luke understood yin and yang. The balance of light and dark, good and evil. As well as certain points of view.

My personal theory is that the Jedi bloodlines - and Luke's Jedi in general - weren't powerful necessarily because of a genetic advantage, but for two reasons: 1. They weren't taught from an early age to essentially isolate themselves, and they instead connected to each other. There's the Master-Padawan bond, of course, which helps with education, but it's only the thinnest edge of the potential. We see how this can explicitly help when Jedi pool their powers, but also implicitly, with the likes of Joruus C'baoth, who grew increasingly powerful the more minds he connected to. This has strong parallels with Marvel anti-hero/anti-villain Bennet du Paris a.k.a. Exodus, a 'merely' immensely powerful psychic mutant whose power levels fluctuate based on how much he believes in himself, and as he later discovers, how much others believe in him. So, when he's firm in his convictions and has relatively few followers etcetera, he is 'merely' one of the most powerful psychics on Earth. In one possible future where he's backed by a trillions strong mutant theocracy, he's a cosmic entity with a Phoenix host sitting on his shoulder. I believe the same principle applies with Force bonds. We also see the explicitly darker variant on it in Darth Nihilus, who forms Force Bonds with ease to thousands of people at a time, enslaving them or draining them, becoming more and more powerful in the process. Vitiate, meanwhile, became as powerful as he was by enslaving and draining 8000 Sith Lords. The Jedi Exile, Meetra Surik, has a similar if more positive knack for Bond creation, and as it's nurtured by Kreia, she becomes more and more exceptionally powerful. Luke's Jedi Order is all about openness and the importance of connections, and many of his students are adults, so naturally connect to people. The result is a virtuous cycle. 2. Something similar applies to Jedi blood descendants, but not necessarily because of their blood. We know, scientifically, that pregnancy and the early years are absolutely crucial for cognitive and physical development - a nutrient deficit then can have major knock on effects later on. The reverse, proper nourishment, can have startling effects. Think of a Force-Bond between a Force-sensitive child and a Force-sensitive parent as nourishment, almost an umbilical cord. They're exposed to the Force, and an intuitive understanding of more complex stuff that their parents are performing, through that bond from an early age. If they're raised around other Jedi, they might latch on to other adoptive relatives of a sort, forming more bonds, developing more.

I agree with your assessment about Luke’s Jedi Order accepting attachment and using it for good.

Among all the reasons from the video and comments one that i missed is the surounding. Legends times where rough, alot of conflicts and battles. That also shapes and helps grow

I fully agree. Yet one must still keep one's self in check always.

Really enjoyed this video, and the analysis of Luke's order and specific Jedi. It's a shame so much was lost in the Disney take over

Disney, looking at all this awesome lore to draw from: “Yeah, but… what if he was a depressing old man with anger issues though?”

The fact that Disney screwed this up is just...... good freaking gravy. They wanted to be original so god damn bad that they ended up nearly running Star Wars into the ground. Honestly, I'd rather we get no more live action movies for another decade and instead, animations of the novels.

100% agree! I noticed a trend in the fall of different Jedi Orders long ago. They all were ignorant in their teachings by taking very young children and teaching them as if the dark side either doesn't exist or should avoid absolutely anything and everything that could even remotely hint to the dark side. I really do hope the sequels get retconned and we see the true Luke Skywalker, or at the very least, see the Jedi of his era. Jedi who love and marry each other, have children, and work together, even using the dark side at times, to stop a bigger threat. Sadly, until Disney gets their act together, we're never going to get that.

Thank you for choosing the better future after the battle of endor I would have loved to see a kenobi series that showed the duel with hett and him leaving for unknown space then returning as a big bad as Darth crate

Thank you for listening about making half your video merch shilling for your website just to hit the ad revenue minute mark. I see what your doing to still hit that mark but this is a much better alternative and I personally appreciate it.

Totally agree! 😊

Yeah, well done. Hard to argue with any of the points made in the video. I think another reason is because Luke was such an adept learner with infinite potential. People like Luke not only learn quickly but never stop learning. So instead of adopting a one-size-fits-all academy like previous Jedi orders, he's able to implement adaptive teaching methods that, as you said, are able to bring out the full potential in his students.

I agree completely on what you were saying in the video Luke's Jedi order was right by using love and attachment but not but not too much to go to the dark side I think it's a good idea but I also agree what you were saying they were very powerful in Jeddah and Luke's Jedi order but that's just my opinion as a Star wars fan.

This is a very intriguing conversation, and most of what I wanted to say has already been said here, which made it even more interesting. Ive been a martial artist for a very long time, and open mindedness towards techniques and training methods has been a big deal forever. When placed under this light, it almost seems like the clone wars era was...sort of lazy? Perhaps esoteric even, they had all that information, and I'll say they were the more "learned" Jedi, and yet, Luke's didn't have all the information that the previous order had. I'm curious if he taught the formal styles of saber combat, or if they were feeling out new ones, also curious about their kyber crystal quest...was it the same or different? I really appreciate this topic and conversation, it has succeeded by leaps and bounds of raising new questions and keeping the lore alive and interesting. Thank You!

There needs to be an entire saga on Luke’s era and order. To be able to see all of what you just explained played out thru a movie timeline or even a show would be PHENOMENAL! And all they had to do was stick to the story’s already made!

Video: The most powerfull order of Jedi were Luke's... Me: I don't think so, I mean they were powerful, but they- Video: ... in Legends Canon. Me: Oh... well, yeah, I'll buy that.

It might be helpful to indicate whether the information being discussed is Legend or not. I like both, but as they've been divided, it's nice to have that knowledge for the discussion. Darth Han Solo-son never got to meet Mara Jade, for example.

The old order had quantity. Luke's order had quality.

I agree with everything 1000%

I think luke and his era are stronger because they're more open about things. Btw what is the first sound track that is that us the dark scary vibe @stupendouswave? I love it because it takes me to a place where i can contemplate in real life things that co inside with star wars in general. Especally with mace and star killer

Remember Kyp Durron I believe his name was? He was super strong. The Yuuzhan vong story line is what they should have used for the movies. 😭😭😭

Amazing video of Luke skywalker Jedi order are the most powerful in Star Wars,fantastic job.

Great analysis. I agree. Basically, evolve and adapt…………..or die.

Have always liked the idea that there's a limited amount of "force" or mediclorian count in the universe and when a large number of force users die or an extremely powerful force user dies like Palpatine or Yoda their force is redistributed to the next generations.

I have A question for anyone; what do you think of Luke's love interests: Tanith Shire and Mary.

kyp durron, jacen, kyle, jaina, corran, anakin, etc were all extremelyyy strong

I feel as if the Force reaches out in times like Luke and Revan to balance itself. Usually when the dark side and the light are having push and pull for dominance. In the time of Luke and the new republic so few Jedi exist that the Force channels through those who do have abilities making them more powerful. Possibly this can also effect non force users in these times giving them moments of “Force Sensitivity”

One could have two schools of thought or two points of argument on Luke's training. One that he was training Jedi as they always should have been even since perhaps the days when the Jedi Order first began or two that Luke was perhaps making Grey Jedi in a way as well because some would study or know the ways of the Sith and perhaps even some were able to harness those abilities as well without going dark like some Jedi in the past had.

Agree 100%

Makes a lot of sense

Makes sense I agree I liked Luke's Era of Jedi and the original Jetti

I agree I always found the Jedi to be running away from emotions/not understanding their emotions. Where I feel like Luke was the opposite and since he grew up as a regular kid got to experience the strength of love.

100% agree

I absolutely agree the only other order that might be on par is the high republic era because they use similar principles

To draw a direct comparison: 3 out 4 members of the Jedi council during the Clone Wars were immediately taken out by Palpatine in a 4v1 fight. Saba Sebatyne, a single master from Luke's council, fought and defeated an avatar of Abaloth, who is essentially a force GOD, 1v1. *After* she fought through lost tribe sith and a horde of force zombies to reach her.

💯 percent agree 👍

I'm not an expert, but I always thought that Yoda's order around the Clone Wars era was the most powerful, at least combat wise, which might still be the case but I suppose that could be a numbers advantage when compared to Luke's order. But what you said makes sense, the average for Luke's order would probably be higher than Yoda's.

i also think this is the force course correcting as sheev had all the force sensatives killed or taken and made into inquistors

I agree

I mean I haven't read much of the books or the Old Republic but honestly from what have readd and seen they are far more appealing to me than the sequels.

In Legends at least, In Discanon, Luke's Jedi folded like a deck of cards.

In Shadow of the Sith, the Canon Luke appears to have fallen into the errors of past Jedi Orders.

Serious question because I don’t know.. Could it also be that this was the most balanced the force was..both light and dark active and regrowing their numbers.. since times of old when it was balanced with Sith Empire n Jedis having both large #’s?

Luke was the balanced Jedi master who didnt lean on dogma. That automatically would give Luke's apprentices the edge

Kyp Durron is the MVP in Luke Skywalker’s NJO!!! Kyp is easily my second favorite Jedi behind Luke he is a edgy aggressive badarse and somewhat of a Maverick especially during the Jedi Academy Trilogy and even on to the Yuuzhan Vong Wars in the NJO Series a really relatable character character for me especially if he is on my top list above Obi Wan and Yoda whom sit at my 3 and 4 spot, Kyp Durron is that awesome just behind Luke Skywalker so those are my top 4 Jedi in SW!!! Also other great NJO Jedi who need a shoutout as some of my favorites Kyle Katarn, Corran Horn, Mara Jade, Raynar Thul, Cilghal, Saba Sebatyne, Tahiri Veila, Jaina Solo and Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus!!!

Children of Jedi, raised in stable, loving families produces powerful, emotionally stable Jedi.

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I need the song where he shows the merch pls it's not the one in the description

"We believe [Luke's Order's Power] can be boiled down to one simple fact. Luke Skywalker had actually followed in the footsteps of what the *Sith* would do, specifically when choosing their apprentices." Ironic.

I love the Legends Luke better! Because his ideals, his rules are much better that the old rules. I mean allowing attachments and marriage is definitely a-okey!

I think Dokuu had a lot in common with Qui gon Jin due to the fact that I feel that they were more Grey jedi then anything.

Where can I find these Star Wars legends comics to read? I've tried Amazon with no luck.

Finally yes you absolutely get it we're Younglings who were taking away from their parents at a young age never had a choice people who are a little older can make that choice and try to stick with that choice you absolutely get it And on top of that using your emotions to fight for those you Love is a good Thing if taught the right way a powerful thing Yes you absolutely get it finally

The old republic and Luke's order!👍

I think it was that his order was free of most of the dogma the old order was chained dwn by. Less hegemonic.

I’m sure I read in one of the novels that Liea was a follow of the white current in the force. Did I get that right?