I feel like every person who ships Zuko and Katara are 14 year old girls who want someone who is tall dark and brooding. Zuko spent the whole show dealing with his trauma, trauma that led him to abuse Katara’s trust in Old Ba Sing Se. This necessitated the Southern Raiders episode in which he earns back her trust by the last few episodes of the show. Katara being motherly is a collection of predispositions due to her own trauma with the fire nation. Being motherly doesn’t equate maturity which is a stupid logical leap u made. This assumption is literally wrong because we see Katara act childish throughout the whole show. In fact multiple time where Katara pushes the plot forward are literally her being childish. For example, planning to go after aang by herself in the beginning, stealing the water bending scroll, Jet, her trust Zuko in the first place just because his mom is gone, etc. Aang was the person that opened up Kataras world, defended her when northern customs tried to oppress her, and not to mention all the little fun moments that happened before Zukos redemption in the last season of the show. You’re willfully ignoring all the plot and world building that made it clear Aang and Katara are the only reasonable ship. Because Aang definitely has 0 chemistry with Toph or any other character.

Hey. Based in what u just said I don't think you have a good understanding of kataang as a ship. Which is the case for most zutara shippers. Yall r blinded by enemies to lovers, fire and water, opposites attract, looks etc. Which is again, reasonable. Regarding ur last point, you say ur waiting for someone to say how aang is good for katara? I just wanted to say that Aang brings out the best in katara. Allow me to explain. We see the Southern raiders episode and how zuko helped her. We also saw katara not being herself. The way she went off at everyone in the beginning, even telling sokka that he "didn't love her the way she did". This was very ooc (out of charecter) for katara. This shows how zuko brings out the worst in katara and aang brings out the best. Katara was literally about to kill the man. All of the anger and sorrow inside her was being put out, and zuko encouraged that. Zuko encouraged katara to murder someone. (And this isn't hate to zuko, zuko was once a villain of course. This is just me showing how he essentially brang out the worst in her.) But aang, went out of his way to encourage katara to be the best version of herself. Telling her there's a better way. At the end of the episode we see aang tell katara he's proud of her. Showing that he's happy she could withhold a good front. Aang doesn't only simp for katara. He's there for her and encourages her. Aang actually has a big impact on katara. Aang is essentially kataras number one supporter along with Sokka. He alwyas acknowledged how strong she was, and what she could do. Addressing some other points, you say that Katara is emotionally older than aang. This is true, until season 3. Season 3 is probabaky kataangs peak. Aang slowly grows into a man, after almost dying and katara saving him, we see him going through a period of unease and trouble. This also allows aang to grow. He clearly starts making big decisons and maturing. Katara acknowledges this herself and says this in the day in the black sun episode. She says and I quote "your not the same boy I found in the iceberg" You could even say aang is more mature than katara. He's overcame way more trauma than her and always comes to a resolve and closure. He's not hung up on his trauma like katara was, he faced the real world, especially in season 3, and like I said, Always. Came. To. A closure. Aang and katara built a beautiful relashionship of trust and love. They could always be their true self around one another. Being eachothers number 1 supporter. Aang brings out the best in katara, and adknolwges her for who she is and what she stands for. I also forgot to mention how Aang allows katara to loosen up in some ways. We see this in the "kataango", their little dance, and etc. Aang always encourages katara to have fun and be abit more free-spirited. Because katara is so motherly, she often forgets to enjoy herself and be in the moment. Aang is a very fun and free spirited goofy guy, this isn't him being immature, it's simply his personality, we know this as he is still the same person as he grows. It's not immaturity; it's aang. Hence why they're a good match we have fun and free spritied, but can also often be serious guy, with motherly and quite uptight caring girl. They go together? Don't you think? I hope this allowed you to have a better understanding of what kataang is as a ship. I tried to explain it well. If u have any queories, feel free to reply and address them. (Sorry im speaking so formally, I tend to to that when explaining things.)

@@bunniesrunup Hey thanks for the thought out comment. I don't think we'll be able to come to the same conclusion because we're fundamentally starting off at different points. 1. Was Katara justified in killing Yon Rha? Kataangers tend to see this as murder but I personally don't. We don't blink an eye when Liam Neeson kills dozens of people for kidnapping his daughter because it's justice and justice needs to be served. Granted this is a kids show so obviously she isn't going to kill him but had it been an "adult" show, then we wouldn't be bothered with Zuko helping her get justice. Either way, at the end of the episode she still doesn't know if she should have let him live. But she does know vengeance isn't going to bring her healing and that's only because Zuko took her to confront her trauma. Aang wasn't willing to do it. Zuko follows better therapy practice than Aang in this episode. He's by her side as she is confronting her trauma. He's also never telling her "Yeah murder these people" so I'm not sure where that argument stems from. The main thing he says is that Katara needs closure and justice. He's by her side and says things like "are you ready?". When she opens up to him, above all other people including Aang, about her mother, he doesn't compare or bring up his mom. He just says her mom was brave. Aang does not follow best therapy practice. He lectures Katara and even compares losing Appa for a month to her mom. Talk to anyone who's gone through trauma and the WORST thing you can do is compare. (Especially when compare your pet to someone's dead mom) That's a one way ticket to causing hurt and damage to the person struggling with their trauma. So again, I understand when Kataangers say that Aang was bringing out the best in Katara during this episode but that stems from if you consider her killing Yon Rha actual murder. Either way though, she only learns this important life lesson because of Zuko so if you exclude the murder dilemma then Zuko takes the cake for emotional support in this episode. 2. What type of relationship does one prefer? Some people really like sweet pictueresque relationships where they are always treating each other well. (Think Jim and Pam) Nothing wrong with this. Others, like me, prefer relationships where it's got some issues but they work it out anyways. (Think Beauty and the Beast) One looks at romance and relationships through rosy glasses. The other sees relationships as messy and difficult. Yes Aang was very good to Katara and would do anything for her, but that doesn't mean he's a good partner for her. Like I said in my video, she has to be very delicate with him lest she hurt his feelings and I can't really think of any moments where he genuinely helps her grow. He helps her have fun but that alone isn't a foundation for a relationship when the honeymoon phase is over. She's the pillar in the relationship that he has to constantly lean on. Even when they do have some tiffs in the last half of season 3, they never get resolved. We never see them actually resolve their differences over Yon Rha. We never see them resolve their conflict when he kisses her at the play against her wishes. We never see them resolve their argument when he yells at her that he doesn't want to kill Ozai. She's just handed over to him as a trophy for saving the world. So in essence, we never see how they solve deep conflicts with each other in a healthy way. If life has to be rosy for their relationship to work then it's going to fall apart since life isn't rosy. So again, I think the shipping relies heavily on two fundamental differences. First, was Katara about to commit actual murder or was she justified? If you believe it WAS murder then yes Zuko is crazy in that episode (though he also grows from that episode too). Second, what type of relationship do you prefer in entertainment? Jim and Pam where it's roses and rainbows? (Again nothing wrong with that, it's just a personal taste) Or do you want a relationship that shows the good the bad and the ugly and still works out? Thanks again for commenting!

@@makingthestorybetter Hi, I see ur point here. I appreciate ur reply and think this is a very reasonable response In the southern raiders, Zuko did encourage katara to kill them. They were very violent and threatening, zuko never objected it, he simply let her do whatever. He never said to kill them, but never objected it, which is hence how he brings the worst out of her. You say that katara only came to closure because zuko brought her to confront her trauma and aang didn't. You need to remember was development for zuko and kataras relashonship. Aang was simply not the right person for this task. Not because he couldn't help her, but because zuko was meant to be the one helping katara. Zuko is just the helper of the group. Zuko helped everyone on his little field trips with them, he went to help aang learn true firebending, which in the process, let aang get over his fear of using it after hurting katara, we also see him helping sokka save his dad, and everyone in the prison. which was huge development for sokka. We then see him help katara, which was to gain her trust and fully redeem himself. Zuko simply helped everyone develop as people. Which is why only zuko was fit for the role of accompanying katara to confront her trauma. Not aang. You need to remeber that zuko was searching for redemption. He wanted kataras forgiveness. Aang did compare her mother's death to losing appa, but I dont think he meant it to come across in a bad way. He was simply using it as an example of how there is always a better way. Like I said aang always comes to resolve. he was trying to again, bring out the best in her and tell her there's a better way to approach things, using appa as an example. Appa meant alot to aang. You said you cant compare ur pet to ur dead mom but in aangs case u can. The bond between the airnomads and their bisons are very sacred and special. You may see appa as just a pet, but in reality, hes a life companion who aang shares a special bond with. This is stated in air normad culture. (he was even about to break his no killing rule because of appa.) I get what ur saying, that comparing isn't the best thing to do. But aangs relashio ship with appa isn't your normal pet and owner relahsionship. I simply saw it as him relating to her and trying to show her that there's a better way. And using him and appa as an example isn't wrong of him as their relashionship is like no other. It's still not great to compare though. At the end of the episode. What katara came to was closure, as she needed. This was not thanks to zuko. It was charecter development for katara, one that she need. Yes, zuko was there. But he was there so he could help katara, but overall, she developed on her own. Katara was influenced by aang in this episode. This is just how I saw it. Aang is of course not going to follow katara when she intends to kill someone. (And liek I said before, aang was simply nit the person who was meant to, zuko was the helper.) But what he did do is try and give her some of his wisdom, whihc is if course there's a better way. Which impacts katara, as we see, she doesn't kill him, even after years worth of emotion and anger and rage come bubbling up to the surface, even when she fibally couldve satsified herself, She doesn't kill him. aangs words reached her, and bringing out the best in her even when she's at her worst, like we see in that episode. You say that kataang never resolved their issues when they did. The issue with killing osai didn't matter,because aang came to a resolve himself. Wether or not he wanted to kill ozai didn't concern katara. He had to overcome this dilemma by himself and find a better way as he always does. He's the avatar. Aang benefits katara with like I said, bringing out the best in her. Katara doesn't have to be delicate with talking to not hurt his feelings. Katara can very much tell him the truth, and he accepts it, we see this after he kisses her in the ember island epsiode. but because in this case, aang was confused, kataras imput simply made it worse. But with zuko, it'd be even worse, zuko blows up at every little thing with mai. So I think if they got together, their communication would be horrible. And like I said, it's only specific occasions were katara has set aang off. Those are times were when she was talking to him, she wasn't helping him, but asking things worse. With the whole killing ozai thing, katara was simply making aang more confused and more troublee which caused him to go off at her. This doenst make them a bad couple in any means, as all couples have their queories. You talked about them nor over coming it but they didn't need to. It was aangs problem to resolve and his alone. I don't think the killing ozai thing mattered in the end. As long as aang defeated him, so that ozai couldn't cause any more harm, it was fine. Hence why the matter isn't brang up again. It didn't actually matter all that much in the end. It was aangs problem to overcome, and aang still did the job he needed to do. The thing that annoys me the most is the whole trophy thing. It literaly doenst make sense. (Not trying to be rude, I just hear it alot and it really gets me confused) in no way was katara depicted as a trophy for aang, and in no way did he act like that towards her. Kataang built up from season 1... if katara was a trophy of some sort, that would be more evident with the way they built up. If you get what I mean. What I'm syaing is taht, considering how kataang developed and grew, katara was not a trophy. Katara ending up with aang was the result of aangs growth. It was never about how aang desserved katara. I genuinely don't know where zutaraas shippers got this from, I think that statement is harmful. Its basically saying that by katara getting with aang,she's being objectified in the process, which again, makes no sense. When people say things like that, I think it shows the little understanding they had of the ship. And again, I think its very harmful. (Im not offended. after all, we are all entitled to our opinion, and we all perceive things in a different way. It just confuses me and I see it as a harmful statement.) Kataang doesnt show the good the bad and the ugly, if that's what u meant in the last paragraph. kataang showed two people struggling together, growing together, grieving together, going through war together, but never failing to bring out the absalute best in eachother, and always putting eschother as number 1. I hope you understand that. I just wanted to add on soemthing in response to when you say aang doesn't impact katara. And that's she's a pillar or something. Katara says herself in the comics that one of the reasons she loves aang is that he always sees the bright side of things. Which is true, aang always finds a good resolve to a dilemma he has. He does see the good side of people, and the good side of situations. This clearly has an impact on katara and the way she perceives things which proves even more how aang brings out the best in katara. When she's at her lowest, aangs influence and wisdom always impacts her her. This is seen throughout the series, and she acknowledges this herself. Just wanted to put that out there.

@@makingthestorybetter sorry I write so much in the second reply, I feel bad. I should've split it into comments lmao, I'm so sorry.

Honestly, am I the only one that’s kind of grossed out by it. Like…it almost feels incestuous, which, obviously it’s not but… She basically acts as his surrogate mother/big sister for the majority of their relationship. It’s completely bizarre. Even in moments when she’s holding him, she doesn’t hold him like they’re equals. She cradles him like he’s a newborn. 🤢

@@Omnihilo seriously I felt that way too when I saw them kiss. Gave me the ick

@@Omnihilo I completely agree

EXACTLY, I think that made way more sense. And Aang should have been with Toph.

One of the writers who left the show said Katara and Zuko were supposed to be end game

Yes would’ve been such a good fight and way better for azula’s mental breakdown imo (as everyone keeps leaving her for themselves)

when is this line spoken in the show?? only thing i can think of is mai saying 'i love zuko more than i fear you' but that's not even close... or are you just saying it would have been a good line for zuko?

@bazhumke4040 yup, i was saying this line would have been much better if it was used in the show.

@@moistboi4980 yeah, it's definitely a solid line but maybe a bit too on the nose... I feel like we get the idea expressed in that line pretty clearly in the confrontation with zuko and his dad. like that entire encounter is essentially zuko telling his dad that sentiment (he expresses that sentiment explicitly by finally being unafraid to stand up to his dad, and he does so because he realizes he can't be happy/at peace while living not being true to himself). I do think that if zuko had explicitly used that line, it would've taken away from the impact of that scene. no worries if you disagree, but as a writer I've learned that sometimes excluding certain 'really good lines' in favor of making a scene demonstrate the idea expressed in a line of dialogue (such as the one you came up with) can be more powerful yanno?

​@bazhumke4040 I don't disagree with you but that line could have brought Mai's character some uumph......but u may be right it might have stolen some fire from zuko confrontation scene if the line was used in the show.

When did that happen?

@@jaxonflex5680 You're going to have to be a bit more specific, when did what happen?

That’s a little hard though because that was more of a spiritual journey. Aang didn’t even realize where he was in the end?

@@addictedtothewrittenword3451 I think they are talking about the additional comics that carried on the story after the show ending

Thank you I couldn’t stand Mei. She had barley any character development and I didn’t get them at all. He was a traumatized man and she just seemed like a bored rich princess with a crush.

Yes, same - after rewatching the show when I got older and had a deeper understanding of writing and character development etc. I started to recognize what kind of bs Kataang was and how much more sense Katara and Zuko made

Zuko and Katara barely interact throughout the entire series. The fact that this ship even exists is mind boggling.

@@FifteenRavens I kinda have to disagree. I feel like sokka and zuko had the least interaction or toph and zuko. And I kind of feel like nickelodeon itself shipped it as well. Back in 2006 when the book 2 season finale commercial was on nickelodeon, it only showed that scene where zuko and katara were trapped in the crystal catacombs. Younger me and my friends from school thought they were gonna get closer bc of that commercial alone. So it's not that impressive that the ship exists imo.

@@emilynam6084 Sokka and Zuko had the least interaction? 😂 did you watch the show blindfolded? As for Zutara, I’m not surprised the ship exist, I’m surprised with the fact that people genuinely thought they would become a couple.

@@emilynam6084 Well I counted and sure enough you’re wrong. (Excluding the boiling rock) Sokka and Zuko interacted 11 times throughout the whole series while Katara and Zuko (excluding the southern raiders) only interacted 8 times. Zuko and Aang (excluding the Firebending masters) interacted 24 times and Toph and Zuko interacted 3 times.

Send a link where it shows Mae saying that. It was just Dante who said that.

@@iwatommy9139Mae literally said she thought Zuko and Katara would end up together after Dante said it himself.

i dont see it

@@iwatommy9139 Dante is the official captain of the Zutara ship, I've heard. If he didn't say that then, well, now he most definitely had.

@@Lunafroyo Mae Whitman is a Kataang shipper lmao

True, this is how I was hoping it would end. I felt like aang and tops were such a good ship because they were both free spirited and young minded. Like they loved being mischievous and seemed to match mental age.

This. Toph is the perfect match for aang, they both complement each other and give something to their respective personal journeys.

Knowing Toph, I think it more likely that _she_ banged two guys then kicked them out.

Just a question, have ever imagine Aang with Azula ? Cause i did

​@@noneofyourbeeswax01true plus she would not let anything slide

That's so true. Kataang could've have regarded this too, just finishing the show with both single and reconnecting again after some growth (that doesn't mean they'd have to spend 10 years separated). Meanwhile, Aang would've learnt how to live without Katara's guidence, get to know the new world better and appreciate her for who she is, shadows and anything. And Katara would've put Aang down the Avatar pedestal and appreciate who he has become over the years.

the fact that zuko called him on this in the very first episode too: "i suppose you wouldn't know of fathers, being raised by monks."

So true

Thinking ang was a bad dad is delusional. Get your head out of your ass and look at it objectively. Was he perfect? No! Bad dad though? You are smoking crack if you think that

Thank you so much for explaining that Guru Pahtik's last chakra with Aang.

That'll keep Mai up at night

Katara had his heart so hes ok

Lmao? Aang is literally the Avatar. Far stronger than them both, far greater leader than them both, and emotionally open.

​@@justinlacek1481 A leader I never really saw Aang act as a leader more of an advisor. And we are not talking about power levels we are talking about maturity. Aang is very powerful but he doesn't have the enough emotional maturity as Zuko.

@@justinlacek1481 I don't agree that much with OP (Katara is plenty strong, she doesn't need a tall, strong protector), but I *do* agree with Thato - Aang doesn't lack power levels, he lacks emotional maturity. Leadership ability - which honestly at least throughout the original series Aang never displays, especially not at the end - or physical strength are not the same thing as emotional maturity. Katara, despite her age, has the emotional maturity and complexity of someone who became a mother-figure to her elder brother far too young. She's been the mother of the group for three whole seasons. She's still 14/15 and can be irrational sometimes, but mostly, she approaches her decisions with maturity, thought, and is also old enough to grasp the complex nuances and scales of grey in the world. She's shouldered all "household" chores pretty much by herself and she's not a child anymore on any level. If she has to enter a relationship right now (which there's honestly no need for), she'll need a partner, not a kid she has to take care of. Aang has none of this emotional depth (yet). And not once in the show has he shown that he'd be able or willing to be that partner. Quite the opposite. He has to be taken care of like an unruly teenager (see "Aang, we need to talk about what to do now" after their initial loss during the Day of the Eclipse, where he just races off), never once participates in chores with her like her *equal* , but it becomes clearest in the two scenes where Katara has two sort of mother-daughter-reminiscent conflicts with Toph. He doesn't have to be *on* her side in either of these situations, parents are often not in agreement about the best way to discipline their children, but he actively avoids these conflicts, tries to smooth them over. "Nonono Toph, Katara didn't mean that" in the first one, and not voicing any opinion in the second one. A partner would either help Katara and reinforce her point with Toph, or would take Katara aside, assure her he understands but that her way of dealing with Toph isn't the best way to go about it. Something like that. But Aang doesn't. And with his tendency of evading problems, his childishness, throughout the entire series, he needs to be taken care of (in an emotional sense as well as with normal surviving things like cooking etc) by Katara. He idolises her and she mothers him. The writers could easily have *written* Aang to give him the emotional maturity to be a good match for Katara. I'd still maintain that the relationship between an 14-15-year-old girl and a 12-13-year-old boy would feel uncomfortable for me (were it the other way around, people would freak out), even without this great gap in emotional maturity, but they didn't write him that way. The way he is written in the show, he's not what Katara needs at that moment. It doesn't help that the lead-up to the big kiss is the worst it could possibly be. Aang behaves extremely immature and honestly really problematic in the Ember Island Players, which is *never* addressed (and that scene in and of itself shows Aang is nowhere near emotionally ready for a serious partnership Which is fine btw, because he's *twelve* he doesn' need to be ready, he has time), the episode after that ends with him storming off like a teenager in a huff "nobody understands me, nobody can help me!", and then they *never* interact again, until, without any problems resolved, they suddenly have their Big Romantic Kiss.

@@thatonkgau5221 12 year old, literal *kid* Aang? Maybe, but Katara didn't marry a kid. Anyone who knows his storyline knows he's arguably the greatest leader in the entire setting, it's not even close. What, you think Republic City built that statue of him because he was just an advisor? I don't know how someone can claim to be a fan of the setting and is arguing that Aang isn't emotionally mature or a strong leader. Not only was he the key to Republic City's founding and success - he managed to rebuild the air temples as well as air temple island at the same time.

@@Casutama If Katara had married 12 year old childhood Aang, then maybe you'd be right, but it's established pretty quickly in the years after Ozai's death that Aang plays a crucial role in keeping the world from slipping right back into chaos. I feel like I'm talking to people who's only knowledge of Avatar is ATLA.

i mean he is not the first, sneezy reviews did spoke about it to in " get in loser, we're stanning zutara" (good vidéo essays on zutara, definitly worth the watch)

But Aang didn’t abandon Katara he gave up on the avatar state

Where are you getting this from like where in the show does it show you that katara censors herself

​@@kringle7804 for real 💀 these pl be saying anything I swear

"He does not seem to accept katara passionate side" where and when??

Thank u

bro that would have ruend legend of kora and hole love plot like they would have never made zuko and katara canon

That quite literally sounds like a cuck dynamic. Aang lets go of the girl he wants; so that some other guy can come along and take her. Wtf are yall smoking? Lool. Aang didn't need to let go of Katara for his journey to be complete. He learnt as the Avatar, he has to be bound to the Earth. That's why he couldn't let go of Katara, because it showcased his duty to the world relies on attachment. Zaheer (in Korra) became "free" from attachment AFTER his girlfriend died; and he's not even an Avatar. He had no duty to the world. Aang did. And I struggle to understand how it's realistic that Katara falls for someone who acted as an accomplice and led to Aang's death; as well as betrayal; and overall corruption.

Katara being jealous of other girls talking to aang, imitating a kiss, blushing, etc etc is her mothering him? Okay yall

@@bunniesrunup That's the thing you guys don't understand. Even if those interactions took place it doesn't make it more logical, it just makes it official. And something being official doesn't mean it's always right. Sure Katara and Aang kissed, but to me, personally, it was weird. Cannon doesn't mean it's always perfect. The only argument you Kataangers have is that "they bonded throughout the seasons, AND OH, THEY KISSED SO COPE". The only evidence you bring to the table are the official cannon scenes. Zutara plays a deeper part. I'm not gonna waste my time explaining that when you can watch multiple HOUR long videos people made on Zutara making sense. But of course, you watch 2 seconds of that video before going to the comment section to trash it. I have officially lost respect for any Kataangers. Under every Zutara video, there's always the Kataang gang attacking us. Idc what you say, your points are invalid to me if you can't respect a good ship without judging it.

@@lemon4u girl you just said a whole bunch if nonsense💀first of all, I said katara INITIAATED the kiss as in suggested they kissed.

Agreed! 👌🏾

Zuko and Katara had more natural romantic tension (I think 'tension' is the word for it) ON ACCIDENT than Aang and Katara while the writers were aiming that direction. (at least in my opinion)

Literally you are blind kataang make more sense what arguments you can put because everything in the video isnt canon and not even close to romantic with 1argument I can put above zutara moments

​@@WorldWeaverliterally no with aang is absolutely better way better moments and we can see clear how much chemistry have together lol

@@nikosmihailidis9440 Can you explain it, then? I don't really see that side of it, but I genuinely want to understand. Why do you think Kataang is better?

Katara and Aang have known each other longer and have more moments together on the show. So whatever you just said is irrelevant.

​@@FifteenRavensyeah but most of those moments were of katara being more of a mother figure to ang than a love interest

@@asobimo5532 When was Katara EVER being a mother figure to Aang? She quite literally mentions in the show that she doesn’t like being seen as a mother figure. So whether or not you got that vibe, it doesn’t matter.

I totally agree with you,I am 15 when I used to watch ATLA when I was a kid. I mean, I still am, but I didn't care about who would end with whom at that time nonetheless,I decided to watch it again and damn they make so much more sense,it's a pity they didn't end together 😔 and zuko is my ultimate crush and I don't like the fact that mai ends up with him 😵‍💫

You told honest 😊I agree with you 💯 that's right 👍 Zutara is more exciting and more interesting than Kataang 😂😂😂

Same Aang respects her what that you believe ?!

The response you got proving your point. 😂👏

@@Omnihilo I’m crying bro theres no way that was an actual response.

@@The1andonlysharpshooter I know, I'm wondering if maybe it was sarcasm. 😅

@@daniapfel9673 He never said aang didn't respect her.

The maturity in personality thing is a good argument that I never heard until I was watching these videos. I thought Aang had wisdom beyond his years and manned up in season 3, so his innocence didn't make their attraction unbelievable, but I get Zutara. I almost like it better (if the show developed it better).

I guess you'll be happy that Mai and Zuko brock up in the comics

Clearly, what zuko told her got her thinking. Betraying azula isn't something small... it means she's going against her nation as well. She empathized with zuko and understood a lot of what he went through. Clearly, she didn't make her decision lightly.

"i don't mind katara and aang" and then you go trash the ship 💀 where did the writers FORCE the ship?!?!?! Katara and Aang were hinted since the beginning and throughout seasons 1, 2, 3 💀 have you had your eyes closed while watching the show?

Aang is technically 112 he just never aged mentally or physically since he was in an iceberg for 100 years but he sometimes acts like an old man when he brings up the past

off topic but i find it funny that in doctor who you have a 900 year old dude kissing a 19 year old and everyones cool with it.

Zuko is 16 its just as bad

​@@incidentalreelz Well, since the doctor regenerates, depending on what face/body he gets (or she in the case of Jodie), his physicality can be any age. So though he's so old mentally, his new body can be young, which makes it not as weird.

@@rosieleaverton I know, but still

buddy boy or should i say buddy girl he is not 16 he is 17 for 1 and for 2 for a person who watch is atla every day for 1 year you realy need to watch it 4 times thats wen you start to see the small details that really count and nek time i see someone say that aang is just a goofy kid needs to go back to when he was telling katara to just to lett her anger out and not to kill him o and you can to the last episode sosans comant and donet you think a almost 18 year old should be with a 14 year old and you can see that sound pretty werid to me and come from a guy aang is a true definition of a great guy so please think of re watch it cause this is just downright dumb

o btw i have watched it a 100 times like not metaphorically

@MissSarahDonut6 You're saying Katara would realistically go for the guy (Zuko) that betrayed her and her love interest (Aang); which also led to his death via accomplice? 😂

@@donmoez6289 I don't know if you on my side cause you don't know how to spell

@@Anix0000 Broski, you sound young. I was talking to the original comment, not you. And yes I prefer Katara and Aang lool.

In all fairness, LoK kind of screwed over the entire cast of Last Airbender, especially Sokka RIP my man, didn't even have kids 😔

@@kalo_vera maybe suyin was his....

One of the reaosn Tlok is disliked is the way they did the gang. Aang being a bad dad is so out of charecters and makes no sense. It ahs nothing to do woth kstang being canon, it's tlok ruining aangs charechter.

@@bunniesrunup I’m desperately holding out for hope they will un-canonize LOK but I know there’s like no chance. I hope the Netflix adaptation will do us right as it seems to be made with a lot of love by people who are huge fans of the OG show

Still waiting Zutara's bastard son in ATLA.

I was a huge zutara fan as a kid and teen. I don't have any hate towards kataang. I think the pairing itself is still good, and I was satisfied with the end of the show, but kataang didn't have that same feel with me the way zutara did. I'll always like zutara more.

I like the Kataang family too, but I've always shipped Zutara and felt like Kataang was forced.

This is so true i loved zutara and i hated how aang and katara got together yet after LOK came out i got so attached to the characters i had to support aang and katara.

@@user-rt2em2ks6g didn't Zuko encourage Katara to take revenge while Aang and Sokka were trying to make things better for her? Just because both have trauma doesn't mean they are a good couple. In fact, nigga Zuko betrayed

​@@kausha7135it was definitely forced3

Aang will always have that fun loving aspect (that some who are not woke would call immature) which is why Toph would not work for him either. He needs a freewheeling breezy partner that can run with him as he sets about restoring harmony to the four nations, someone he can love without necessarily getting attached.

Katara became a trophy? Hypocritical of you to say something like that after y’all wanted Katara to “choose” Zuko over Aang after he took a lightning strike for her.

I like the idea of Zuko and Katara getting together cause the fire nation destroyed both of their family life, and it would have been nice to see them get together having overcome their differences, and made family built on unity. And sure Aang gave Katara a good family, but he also leaves her alone alot. He repicks up the nomadic life and in LoK it's revealed he doesn't spend much time with his family except Tenzin. It legit seemed to me in the LoK universe, he "gets" with katara and just hopes his next baby with her will be an air nomad, then leaves her to try again later. Cause Tenzin, the baby of the family, is an air nomad, and what do you know, no more kid's. Plus the prophecy for Katara applies to the literal Fire Lord too, Zuko is a powerful bender as well. And what kind of message would go out to the world if the fire nation joined the water nation like this. I think the real world impact would have been more prominent than frozen avatar wakes up, gets the girl, saves the world. Zuko and Katara would have earned their relationship, and from what we see at the end of the show, they synergized fast and were super effective. I get Zuko burned Katara once and she might still have anger towards him for that and distrust to a degree. But if they overcame that, that makes a better story and lover relationship that males more sense than, "I'm the avatar." Plus, how do we know Aang can only chi bend? How do we know he didnt force Katara loving him? Water bending can control a person's actions, why wouldnt there be a form of bending that alters a person's mind? She viewed Aang platonically, even in the end she's like, "Well.... I guess I can try to see you as more than a friend and little brother." She knew she had romantic feelings for Jet right away. And yea! She was like a mother to all the Aang Gaang. A long term relationship like that has too much dependency on one "partner". And if you recall, LoK has Aang just swoop in and woo katara and then bail out again. He got what he needed but she is left tending to half a family and all the work, again and again. She was such a family oriented person, only to grow up and be stuck with a nomad for a husband. And then Zuko goes off to have a rough life. Thankfully he seems to have found a nice lady.. we think. She doesnt even get any screen time who ever she is- cause it isnt Mai. If Katara had even a notion for romance towards him, I think he would have been more clear headed on how unhealthy his relationship with Mai was. I mean, he did have an idea, but he was still going blind. Zuko did know family tho, and he ultimately forgives his father, he forgives his sister, finds him mom and gets his family on track. But they are still broken and a stable family life with a loving wife and kids that he was there for would have been nice to see him have, and if Katara and Zuko earned each other's love, the writer's wouldnt have a choice in showing us Zuko's family life. And on a plus- I bet Sokka would have been integral to the fire nation army! We would have seen him more and he would probably have had a longer life than what we got. Plus if Katara was in a stable relationship, Toph may have had someone to look at and see how being with your family is actually pretty handy and helpful cause Katara wouldnt have been left alone, she would have been right beside the Fire Lord with her kids. What a long read!

Bonus! If Katara and Zuko got together, Katara's motherly nature would have done Azula good, they were both prodigies in their own right, and Katara's personality, if she were more emotionally involved with Zuko and his family, I bet she would have been able to get Azula to stay around and alleviate her temper and veiw on how her ability and prowess is all that determines worth. They would have been such great friends, and an actual friend is what Azula needed. It doesnt get more honest than having Katara as a friend! And to tops it off, Katara may have been able to see Ozai as more human than evil incarnate. That one would take major time, but she got through to the man who killed her mom and countless other water benders. Katara with the head of the fire nation would have been op and been a great service to the wanderer Aang on restoring peace. Aang and Katara together seems to have plunged a bigger divide- and that's what happens when you force balance- it sways *cough* Aang forcing Katara to love him*cough*

@@FifteenRavens I agree with you, why did she have to pick one of them? Why did she have to be in a relationship? Neither of them were suitable and she only just found the freedom to think of romance after the war. Maybe she and Haru would reunite further down the road when both had matured

sneezy reviews is a zutarian GODDESS

Yikes did Bryke really say that about Zutara fans? That's so ... Disappointing.

​@@l.n.3372 I've seen rumours that Makorra was supposed to represent Zutara 2.0, and we know how that ended up.

@@supervivo7069 see, I've heard something different than what you're implying. I heard that Bryke included Mako/Korra to appease the Zuko/Katara fans who wanted a fire/water pairing. but as we all know, it was a ship that didn't last and they were better as platonic.

What about I say it wasn't

Ikr!!!

A love story that never existed. Cope.

Ash-degenerate when they see writers not doing things (they’ve got to be the scum of the earth, worse than eipstein and hilter!!!)

Go cope on your own dope​@@FifteenRavens

😂😂😂

But powerful bender could’ve been Zuko 👀

If you accept the rumours that there was at one point probably going to be a season 4 where Zutara ends up together you can very easily start thinking that this line was meant to be a red herring -- only to be revealed at the end of the show that by *powerful* bender it actually was referring to the leader of the Fire Nation. Because seriously, why else would a show in its very first season outright *tell* the main girl (and the audience) that she's going to end up with the main guy so directly? And why have the main guy overhear it and get so smug about it if he wasn't eventually meant to come to terms with the fact that it didn't actually mean him? Prophesies in media are interesting and make sense to be told right at the beginning only if there's going to be some twist to them by the end.

I think its stronger as a scene specifically because they are not in love.

@@stilloslachen6519 I wouldn't say that. Zuko pretty much sacrificing himself for her, a "friend" wouldn't do that for another friend. Like I'm sorry but it's definitely an act out of love.

​@@jupiteralmighty3730 there's no such thing as perfect. Aang is not a shitty dad not good either and just because someone sacrifices something for a friend, it's always an act of 'love' like 'inlove'. You can do that too if you love a friend, platonic love. That's a true friend there. I'm not KataAng nor Zutara. It's just... 😒

@@jupiteralmighty3730 I dont know. Personally Id do that for my friends.

​@@jupiteralmighty3730 I personally think that it's an act of "trying not to let someone who can't redirect lightning get hit by lightning" and not love

yeah, i was an adult by the time avatar came around but kataang reminded me of my best friend in 8th grade who was dating a 5th grader, and how absolutely revolted the rest of us were by the idea. my own kids are the same age difference as aang and katara and the difference in maturity, even as an 11yo girl/9yo boy, is STAGGERING, especially because girls already mature faster than boys. i would be very concerned if my daughter came home one day in 8th grade and was like "mom my boyfriend is in 6th grade."

And Katara eventually helping Zuko find his mother and possibly gaining a new mother figure herself in Ursa. And Zuko gaining a new father figure in Hakoda. Ugh, it could have been so beautiful!

@@TheFirstHurrahNo it wouldn’t.

I’m sure of it 😭

Stay delusional 😂

It’s Azula all over again. Back in the day if you empathized with Azula you were “evil, sociopathic, immature” etc. I distinctly remember being told off for saying I liked Azula and that I even identified with her a little. Now, suddenly everyone acts like they’ve always had this deep understanding of her and always liked her. We’re watching it happen again in real time with Zutara.

zuko even said he did actually fall in love with katara! zutaraaaa forever!

@@colourful_macaronigenerato951 no he did not that was the actor💀

@@Devinisapimp2019 the actor acting as Zuko?

@@colourful_macaronigenerato951 the voice actor Zuko did not say that in the show

Ty

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Aang and on ji had MORE chemistry? Give me a break

Zutara can work platonically but I really don’t think it’ll be good as a romantic one. All the things zuko put katara through just for them to end up together doesn’t seem right imo.

@@jotbaghria4956 I mean aang burned and sexually assaulted Katara. Then he became the avatar and she was down. Probably could’ve used another season to flesh them out.

You weren’t a very smart kid then. I could tell your brother is good at story telling.

@@FifteenRavens it’s cliche and boring, they set up the story for it to be Zuko and Katara but buckled and just went the boring and illogical route, just because what my brother told me was what happened doesn’t make it a good story my guy

@@cookiedq They clearly set up Katara and Aang from the very beginning. If you had common sense it would’ve been obvious to you.

@@FifteenRavens Katara had 0 romantic interest towards Aang during the first couple of books. The secret tunnel song has HIGH implications of Katara and Zuko getting together. Until they screwed it up and decided to go with the boring route and throw in random feelings that seem to have come from nowhere from Katara

@@cookiedq Katara blushing around Aang= 0 romantic interest towards him. Katara being nice to Zuko and offering to heal his scar= romance. Katara and Aang’s cave of two lovers has no romantic implications, but Katara offering to heal Zuko’s scar does?

I honestly believe that if Zutara would have happened we wouldn't still be having these discussions about it. It would have eventually just been near universally accepted as the correct choice. It's the fact that Kataang still seems 'wrong' to so many people is why we keep talking about this.

@@TheFirstHurrahIt’s not wrong though. Kataang was canon for a reason. Stay delusional 😂

@@TheFirstHurrahit’s strictly wrong

Y'all are just coping at this point

I agree with everything you’ve said 💯👌🏾

Katara was so _angry_ with her dad for being absent even though she knew he had to that I just can't envisage her being OK with a nomadic husband.

Yes. They butchered Katara’s character after the ATLA. The LOK made her seem like she was just put in the back burner after the battle and didn’t accomplish more after the age of 13? Yes she was a great teacher and was a mother but that’s all? And for her to allow Aang to be an absent father to the other 2 children doesn’t make sense. She has so much fire and passion that I can’t imagine that. In my opinion her relationship with Aang held her back and kept her at one role to play, as a mother and teacher that’s all. She was more than that. She had fight and an ability to lead and love hard. But again it is what it is.

Katara literally had abandonment issues and they paired her with a guy who has a chronic running away problem. Which he doesn't even fully outgrow by the time of the finale, running away yet again after him and Katara have that fight that's never resolved. And then they get married and he spends significant amounts of time taking just one of their children off on adventures and leaving her to take care of the other two kids at home by herself. And then her kids all grow up and go off on their own and she's left all alone in the southern water tribe, visibly crying as her family leaves her yet again. It's actually so sad. And so clear to me that this wasn't supposed to be the destiny/legacy of the girl who gave such an impassioned speech to empower the earthbenders or said she would never turn her back on people who need her.

Can you explain why? Because I don't see any forgiveness there other than katara forgiving him for chasing aang?

@@Enemy_Bird Forgiveness of everything. Forgiving him and herself. You'll know that someday.

@@Wheelwalker8 everyone forgived him in the group, it is nothing special with katara. She was overdramatic as always and blamed her mother's death on Zuko because he was a fire bender and the fire prince. Also for me, she didn't have the right to have a choice between forgiving him and not forgiving him. Zuko did nothing to her except when they were in ba sing se. The only one who was harmed Aang that day, he DIED okay? It was Aang's right to have a choice to forgive him because it was kind of zukos fault. But no, to katara everything is about herself! Plus zutara is so far away even rivalling to aang in the matter of forgiveness. He could blame zuko of his peoples genocide like Katara did. He could attack Ozai with fury and rage without thinking because he was the firelord and fire nation erase the air benders, which katara would definitely do. He easily forgived Zuko for trying to kidnap him, hurt him, imprison him, ruin his life, attacking him, capture him. Remember Zuko was not after Sokka or katara but AANG. it didn't take 1 episode for aang to forgive him unlike KATARA. So what katara forgives him for? Who is she to think she deserves to forgive Zuko who did nothing to her?

@@Enemy_Bird "overdramatic" typical. I'm not gonna explain those who are explicitly showed in the show. Just finished the whole series last month, i suggest a rewatch for you lol

@@Wheelwalker8 So did I, I bet you're a teenager girl who finds Zuko hot and relates with Katara thus makes up things to ship them. Also you can't deny Katara is always overdramatic, everyone knows that, even ember island players do. Besides what you've said doesn't prove anything I wrote wrong, katara and zuko have nothing to do with forgiveness.

Aren’t Zutara shippers doing the same thing though? They’re self inserting themselves as Katara.

@@FifteenRavens The difference between shippers and creators of the actual show is that shippers aren’t producing the canonical content! Creators can’t always let their personal emotions/insecurities/political ideas influence their storytelling because it can ruin the project (not in Avatar’s case though-as long as we ignore Legend of Korra)-just look at the state Disney is in at the moment! 🤣

@@hellopumpkin86 Yes they can. It’s their show. Whatever they wanted as an ending was up to their choice.

@@FifteenRavens mmm... Not really. I mean, some of them are, but there are a good number of zutara shippers that enjoy the couple for it's potential or interactions. Myself included, as I watched the series with 21 years for the first time and had any crush on Zuko

@@castaliafierce8466 There are a couple of flaws with your comment. First off, Zuko and Katara were never a “couple” secondly whether they’re aware of it or not, a good 75% of Zutara shippers mostly consist of women who self insert themselves as Katara and aren’t really fans of the show. Lastly, sure the two could’ve had potential, but you’re also forgetting they were never love interests. It’s better that they just stayed as FRIENDS.

Right it was cringe

I was dying atm 🤣🤣

btw he got friking tall when he was 13 14

me too lol i took that personal. ZUTARA FOREVER! dw zuko is taller than katara

Aang clearly doesn't like toph that way, he always blamed her in her littlest mistakes

@@Enemy_BirdDon’t mind them, they’re delusional. They can’t accept the fact that for once the guy in the relationship is smaller than the girl. This is why they pair Aang with Toph instead.

@@FifteenRavens I know, thank you so much for your care and kindness you've made my day trying to help me 😊

@@FifteenRavens That's hardly fair to make that assumption, also calling someone delusional is just baseless and unnecessarily demeaning. If you have a point to disagree with, then disagree with them, but don't justify your position through mockery and insults

@@troyii435 Wouldn’t really call it an assumption, it’s more of a fact. Whether they’re aware of it or not, Aang being smaller than Katara has something to do with their disliking for their relationship. They deserve to be demeaned.

Too mature for Y-7 demographic

y'all understand that the whole point of the air nomad genocide was that war has consequences and they're seldom reversible, right?

OMG I always believed Aang should have had a harem too! I legitimately wanted him to father kids all around the world, thus making dozens of new air benders.

On the other hand - even with a harem, can one man really produce enough children to restore an entire race which has been genocided? And besides Aang is a monk, first and foremost, so I could just as easily see him being voluntarily celibate.

@@threedragonstalk2123 A) nobody is saying Aang can literally restore a lost race. but if he slept around, he could get dozens of women pregnant. that's a lot of potential air benders, and that adds up over time, after all. if Aang sired 100 kids, and each air bender married a non bender and had 2 kids of their own, then the air nations is already reborn. B) Aang canonically has kids with Katara in LoK, so idk why you think he would stay celibate. C) Aang is an air nomad. they obviously reproduced as Aang exists. not sure why you assume the air monks don't have kids or else where did the new air bender babies come from in their culture?

The show literally explains that it’s not about Aang needing to completely let go of the ones he loves, but that he had to accept the idea of losing them. He can still be with her. The s2 finale showed him finally letting go which is why he was able to enter the avatar state. He literally died to a lighting strike. Recovering from that to be able to access the avatar state again was going to take a while and the injury itself had to have misaligned his physical connection to the avatar state.

⁠​⁠@@BuddyChyI agree that Aang needed to accept the possibility of losing Katara was the main message in this episodes, however doesnt that just reinforce the idea that letting go of Katara would’ve been more impactful? If you think it is possible to love someone deeply and be content with the idea of having to let them go, then Aang having to make a final decision to sacrifice his love for Katara would’ve had more of an influence and way more to say then him having his cake and eating it too. It would’ve shown the real the consequences of having the Avatar, and how with great power comes with great burdens, and how not everyone can have their own happy endings. It would’ve shown an even deeper love that he had for Katara and how he would be willing to give up his own selfish desires for not just Katara, but for the world as well. It would give the viewer a different perspective for how people can love each other in different ways, especially unreciprocated love and how to deal with these situations when the person you love doesn’t feel the same way.

⁠​⁠@@BuddyChyI agree that Aang needed to accept the possibility of losing Katara was the main message in this episodes, however doesnt that just reinforce the idea that letting go of Katara would’ve been more impactful? If you think it is possible to love someone deeply and be content with the idea of having to let them go, then Aang having to make a final decision to sacrifice his love for Katara would’ve had more of an influence and way more to say then him having his cake and eating it too. It would’ve shown the real the consequences of having the Avatar, and how with great power comes with great burdens, and how not everyone can have their own happy endings. It would’ve shown an even deeper love that he had for Katara and how he would be willing to give up his own selfish desires for not just Katara, but for the world as well. It would give the viewer a different perspective for how people can love each other in different ways, especially unreciprocated love and how to deal with these situations when the person you love doesn’t feel the same way.

@@hopeslover6778 only problem with that is that it’s kind of an opposite message to the ending theme which involves Aang being told he had to sacrifice his pacifism to win but he was determined to find another way and stay true to his beliefs by ultimately choosing not to kill Ozai. He shouldn’t have to give up his love for katara. Being the avatar doesn’t mean you can’t find love. It’s also not unreciprocated

⁠@@BuddyChyI think that scene would’ve been the perfect set up for all the possible lessons I listed in my previous comment, especially since this show can deal with heavy topics in a way that kids could easily digest. You got to admit that would be another interesting route for the show to go too, no?

Deus ex-machina

uhm no. I do agree that the Lion Turtles should not have been introduced at the very last episode, and it does make more sense for Aang to not enter the Avatar State because his chakra got unblocked. However, I cannot agree on Aang killing Ozai is a fitting end. Yes, it's so satisfying to watch revenge shows, but the whole point of Avatar is finding a third option. Aang needed to be more realistic, but that doesn't mean his idealism and optimism are terrible traits. It is his value on life that makes him a great Avatar. Instead of allowing Ozai to just go about his wrongdoings, he decides to stop him and get rid of his bending. That way, he will still live and have a chance at redemption WHILE preventing him from hurting anyone any longer. He even trapped him so he won't escape and hurt others. That's the third choice. Killing Ozai so others may live or keeping him alive as he is still a living being whose life should still be valued? None of those. Imprison him and take away his bending so he and others all live while stopping him from doing evil.

@@witchrich2365 it wouldn't even be a revenge kill, ozai would burn the earthrealm is self-defense, aang missed the opportunity to end the war while remaining faithful to the precepts of air nomads if he released katara in the guru episode, kill ozai without avatar state would be the consequence of your bad choices and that would be adult for a show

@@danielalaiz419 Oh now I get what you mean! Yes, it would have been cool to see Aang let go of Katara and choose the Avatar State as it should be the only means to achieve energybending and take away Ozai's bending and end the war. He did end the war, though, but still letting him have the climactic choice would be so cathartic. Don't know if you're for or against killing Ozai, but I'm against it since that's what makes Aang a great Avatar.

@@witchrich2365 I'm not even against him not killing ozai, from the first season until the guru episode, you lead to believe that his main plot is to remain faithful to the precepts of the air nomads, while fulfilling his duty as an avatar, but after he exchanged the control from the avatar state by katara, and spends the third season dancing,robbing fire nation citizens and preaching and more concerned with his supposed feelings for katara rather than focusing on the comet alone, i just thought he deserves to sacrifice his faith for the world to be saved it's all a matter of consequences for your mistakes(I don't like energybending, an underground prison to ozai in the north or south would make me happy)

Aang and TOPH?! heck no. Toph is the very opposite of Aang's culture in nearly every way

On Ji or Ty Lee? I mean I can see Aang and Ty Lee getting along pretty well.

No St fu

No it's not katara is a character who learns by her experience, and she has already experienced falling for the tall bad traumatized boy jet, that was her first lesson in romance, the second not that it's a romance but it is still a moment of experience, which is the cross road of destiny with zuko who betrayed her trust and was partly to blame of ang death, she learns from her experience to no form of redemption is ever going to breakdown how katara feel, she sharp and guarded of her emotions wen it comes to love,

Bro what; it's literally nothing to do with that. Both Katara and Aang; and Katara and Zuko are unrealistic when it comes to real-world "relationship mechanisms"; you can't possibly think it's realistic for someone to fall in love with a man who was corrupt for years; betrays you; acts as an accomplice and kills your love interest/best friend? Katara and Aang was built from S1; regardless of how you want to analyze their dynamics, maturity, etc. This is not Wattpad. Aang clearly grew/developed throughout B1-B3 and their relationship was explored more in the comics.

no. im sorry. but the deepest ever inside my heard screams zutara. its just the motherly/ younger brother realationship between them. and then next thing i know, they're together. i'd like zutara as canon more than kataang. as dante basco says something on the lines of 'the things that could have happened are much better than the things that actually happened.' zuko did fall in love with katara and said so in the same video. I WILL ALWAYS THIP ZUTARA!! :D

@@colourful_macaronigenerato951 There is literally nothing that could've happened with them. Do you seriously think Korra would've "gone deep" into their stories as you guys are fantasizing in your own heads? They wouldn't have. Zuko's arc was complete, and so was Katara's. Dante Basco is not a good example to use. He did the same thing yall are doing, be unrealistic.

I find it so funny (and telling) that so many of the people who are hardcore Kataang-shippers and anti-Zutara are men. I think that says a lot about male wish fulfillment. Most girls and women I've talked to about Kataang are either indifferent to it or find it (mildly or more) uncomfortable. Like, no almost 15-year-old girl as mature as Katara is gonna fall for an almost 13-year-old boy she's been mothering and who's as childish as Aang, even if he's magically powerful, nor would she fantasise about a relationship with him.

Imo I don't like zutara it doesn't make sense I like zuko and mai like zutara makes no sense katara treats everbody like she's their mother so I don't get the "like a brother" argument People change relationships change they used to be friends now they are in love if the did zutara a little better and made spend more time with them then it couldv'e worked but you can say that with any character like cabbage man and that old guy in the storm episode

There is not korra in ba sing se

There was no foreshadowing atla was planned for years they didn't just plan it on the fly

katara also said she hoped her future husband was handsome and tall... that ain't aang lol

@@dietotaku And Aang became tall and handsome did you see him in Korra man he had a massive glow up he became way taller than zuko and goddam his jawline is soo god damb good I wish I had a jawline like his

sokka said, "aang sure is a powerful bender" and katara realized it would be him. this was foreshadowed. The reality is that people want the good girl to fall in love with the bad boy. That's all this ship is. The good girl who grew up tucked away from the world and has all the classically feminine qualities falling in love with the bad boy that's emotionally hurt and has mommy issues that fixed through the relationship. This is what people are looking for but won't admit to.

​@@hutki_shirathey are making shit up if they would watch the "A serious case against zutara" vid their opinions would change, or maybe not, they are dense

I hadn't even considered what Zutara would mean for the Water Tribe Civil War in LoK. It would've definitely given Korra more reason to side with Unalaq initially because she doesn't want the Civil War to trigger another global conflict like the 100 year war. Also would've been fitting that she ended up in the Fire Nation when she found out about Wan. Perhaps Zuko would've even made more appearances in LoK. So many missed oppurtunities...sigh.

@@prismanic24 Additionally also, I realized this recently, it could have brought up several issues in regards with decolonization that is still a crucial topic in many of the third world countries in our world, from Africa, Latin America, and even Asia (like with what happening in Congo and Palestine in some extent) through the involvement of the Fire Nation in the Water Tribe Civil War. I don't know how they can be connected but such issues can be brought up and represented through this Avatar timeline, and made more essence and meaning to LoK for our world... And in a scenario where the fire nation did intervene, what would be the reaction of the other nations in there world. Such actions would have been viewed by the Earth Kingdom, the North, and the URN as the continuous imperialistic moves of the Fire Nation but instead viewed by the South as its former colonizer helping them to fight their current colonizer which have parallels in our today's world... like what happened I think (not sure) with Hong Kong (past colony), China (current oppressor), and the UK (former colonizer), and the current happenings in the South China Sea, with the Philippines (past colony), China (current oppressor), and the USA (former colonizer of PH)... So many missed opportunities seriously... Tho this might be me overthinking stuff but that's why I wished Zutara happened, it would have opened many doors for these kinds of topics in our world that the general public like us should be aware of...

The Avatar ship wars were so fucking... *rolls eyes*. Miserable time to be online fr fr. I've always been a silent (female) Zutara shipper and it's annoying the discourse I've read over the years.

Not only did aang grow to be attractive, but katara loved ssng for who he was. The fact think aang is not worthy of katara because he's not hot enough will never fail to disgust me.

@@bunniesrunup Get reality check please

Also literally two seconds previous she had been mad at him for kissing her ?? Why would she suddenly change her mind?

@@revangerang she was conflicted because aang would have faced ozai and she didn't wanted to lose another loved one like how she lost her mother

@@just_some_greek_dude Or maybe she was conflicted about her little best friend brother constantly harassing her sexually.

buddy aang hasted to end up with katara becaes if not legened of korra would not have made it

@@Anix0000 True, but Aang and Korra aren't even related by blood.

@@AbdussalamPopoola bro you good in the head did you get dropped or something because the reason why that would not happen is because if aang new that katara and zuko we're together then it would have not worked cuz in the comic you see them having fun celebrating that would not happen cause aang would be so mad he would just go and run away again and if he dose that then there would be no koror o that was just a thought but this not related to any thing but you can see in the show how katara and zuko went on a trip and zuko was mad that katara hated him but the reason he was mad is because katara was like his sister he wanted to repair there relationship as friends for that he did not loos a nother sister I and by the way zuko loves mai o and that do get back together cuz there daughter is named after the water fountain they fell in hope don't get dropped again.

Maybe with Toph

@@Anix0000 zuko fell in love with katara. he did say! and katara x zuko would have made more sense to me

who ana its aang and thats just crap

Who is Aana

That’s a double ratio for you bc in the comics Katara and Aang call each other sweetie

@@Emoaria lol yeah it's horrible

@@annaguyot8630 pudding poo

@@annaguyot8630 poop

@@annaguyot8630 poop

Ty Lee is his ideal pairing, IMO. I’d like to see an elseworlds story that has Katara and Aang breaking up due to his being gone so much (and Zuko confiding in and seeking counsel from her increasingly more often) and Aang’s friends Sokka and Suki recognizing how alone he really is in his duties - inspiring Sokka to conspire with Suki to assign Ty Lee to being Aang’s personal bodyguard and traveling companion and just seeing what happens.

@@scottgrohs5940oooohhh, that’s a such a good idea. I’ve been meaning to get back into writing, and I’ve heard fanfiction is a good way to do it. Maybe I’ll give your idea a whirl, it sounds fun

he doesn't HAVE to have airbending children, and in fact it's an insult to katara as a human being to treat her like aang's requisite airbender incubator. the show is called the LAST airbender, the OP's whole point was that if he never had kids, the title would truly be literal. i still think toph is a better fit for aang though.

@@dietotaku I was about to add that Toph is a perfect match for Aang but you said it!

Maybe he could have said let go of Romance instead.

Cope.

Also 5) Katara being Aangs mom Of course the two opposites meet can be too much apart, but I would argue Katara and Aang would help each other balance. Because the urge to be the responsible mom is so grown into Katara I wonder if the penguin-slide in ep 1 or 2 (I can’t remember) was the first time she really played and had silly fun like the kid she actually is in a long time. And that with the dance in season 3 too. Aang can balance out Katara by showing her that she also can be silly, have childish fun and live just for the sake of it. And likewise Katara can balance out Aang by being the one to ground him in serious circumstances and the one he can talk deeply with, because though they come from two different cultures and don’t always agree they both share a big compassion Also I do see how Zuko and Katara grow together in the series, and I do agree that Katara might be the kind of girl Zuko needs, but there, like you say, you have to take Katara feeling into concideration, plus though Katara needs Zuko in her life to see the that fire nation people also have suffered from the war, I don’t think that is What she needs for a life partner. And you can grow with and dearly care for someone as a friend.

I agree. "Zutara" is so delusional. Katara and Aang's love was confirmed in the cave of two lovers. Yet those fans act like Katara doesnt love Aang and would confess to Zuko who still loves Mai.

1 is very "jaywalking, murder, running a stop sign, not signaling when changing lanes, cutting someone off..." the thing is katara had to take on all these responsibilities at a young age, while aang ACTIVELY RAN AWAY from his responsibilities. he explicitly DID NOT take them on until he was more or less forced to. and even then he tried to weasel out of it and go have fun instead at every opportunity, or pitched a whiny hissy fit about all of his predecessors telling him he has to fulfill his duty. 2 the problem is there was never a CONVERSATION to resolve those issues. you can't just kiss someone - TWICE! - without their consent, have a few knock-down drag-out fights with them, go away for a few days then come back and hug and expect everything to be great. 3 ??? where did 3 go ??? 4 "zutara arguments act like katara doesn't like aang" no honey, KATARA acts like katara doesn't like aang. _"aang's a sweet little guy, just like momo."_ shhhing him when he's trying to be romantic. the fact that she was insulted and enraged (not heartbroken) when aang said he didn't want to kiss her in the COTL. the aggressive mothering in "the runaway." the look of anxiety and disappointment on her face when he kisses her before the invasion. every single interaction between them in TSR, including after she comes back and aang praises her for "forgiving" yon rha. her angry "I JUST SAID I WAS CONFUSED" and storming off after he kisses her without consent AGAIN. like, are you a girl? have you ever talked to a girl? can you grok that "i don't know, i'm confused" is girlspeak for "i want to say no but i'm also scared you're going to blow up at me"? katara loves aang, the way a mother loves her child, but she doesn't seem to LIKE him as a romantic partner. you want to talk about ignoring katara's feelings to make your ship work, look at how blatantly aang ignores katara's feelings in the entirety of TSR, and for most of the show for that matter.

@sofxriee it cracks me up that you guys can ignore the show literally spelling out why the canon ships don't work and still claim "katara loves aang" or "zuko loves mai." yeah, the things he said to mai in "the beach" were really some deep words of love 🤣 HE LEFT HER IN PRISON. even after the war was over! he's casually getting dressed to be crowned fire lord and never once is he like "OH SHIT MAI'S STILL LOCKED UP IN THE BOILING ROCK!" when you have to rely on your UNCLE to break you out of jail, your boyfriend doesn't love you.

@@dietotaku Katara has been kissing Aang the entire show without his permission

Zutara only works with the assumtion Katara doesn't love Aang. But she does, so it doesn't work and didn't happen.

@@starringdon3612I understand zutara but that’s not what happens in the show or even what the show suggest. The points are valid but that didn’t happen in the story. So yea I don’t get zutara in that sense because they have to assume things about the show to make it work.

Cope

I disagree because I think the symbolism would be too corny and easy

@@hellogoodbyeandallinbetween which is why nobody really liked mako and korra watergirl and fireboy for the 11millonth time in history

well it didn’t cry about wouldn’t have been good didn’t make any sense and zuko was in love with mai

@@hinokami77 some ones a bit toxic here 💀

@@AboveChronicle yea cause it doesn’t make any sense yall are ignoring the fact that zuko was in love with mai and Katara and anng had children 3 of them

@@hinokami77 imma leave this at agree to disagree because I don't feel like debating this cuz I'm both tired and can't be bothered

​@@hinokami77 They break up so often that it's hard to be sure.

That’s not good either? Both ships are horrible. Dramione is bad and so is Zutara. Both have 0 chemistry.

Hate to break it to you tho, but Hermione reviews Harry's homework too xD. I don't think Harry and Hermione were better as a couple. It's fine to dislike Ron, but that doesn't prove Harry and Hermione have romantic chemistry either. Disproving X doesn't prove Y.

Yeah lmao

It wasn’t activated on accident though. Did you not watch the lion turtle teach him about energy bending? And what happens when the avatar is serious danger ? The defense mechanism activates so it activated when aang was almost seriously injured again.

​@@rockethitodeus ex machine

He could have a bunch of kids with toph...also didn't the harmonic convergence give people air bending?

@@warnpeace1992 yeah but he didn’t know there would be a harmonic convergence

@@warnpeace1992 if what said in the video happened in the show then aang couldn't love because he was the avatar he had to let go of earthly attachments so bye bye air nation and without tenzin and the others then the legend of Korra would have been very different

​@@warnpeace1992 yeah but that was bullshit made up crap done by Korea writing and it's a huge scope out like no

Aang can have kids with someone else. Heck Aang can Breed all the air accolades from the comics. Problem solved, if hes unattached it doesn't matter who he has kids with🤷🏽‍♀️

you got a point there

Pretty sure that's still a very personal dessission. If said prince of "Russia" out his,life on the line to end the war and fight sidr by side with Ukraine. Then ultimately is among the group to end the war side by side with the woman who he ends with that is a much diffrent perspective. Zuko isn't just from that Nation, he is one of those unique historical figures who sactafice their royal privlidges to fight for whats right. Besides not all think in terms of group identity. In fact i know enough Russiand and Ukrainians that do not lump everyone in by nationality. They differenciate by Leaders giving orders, Soldiers who may be forced or be cruel bastards, citizens and those loving allover the workd but originating from a nation. Fully unrelated to the war etc. But it is still understandable if you for yozrself could not.

The point is that they both change, especially Zuko. That's what a story is about. "As a Ukrainian" you should still be able to forgive anyone no matter what they have done to you.

Womp Womp

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Motherfucker you must be bored as hell. Damn I think I haven't written so many words my entire life...

I agree with some of what you write, but I disagree with your point that Aang matures a lot *emotionally* over the series, nevermind particularly fast. Yes, he does mature somewhat over the course of the series in many respects, but not very much on an emotional level (nor really in his leadership ability - see the last few episodes before his fight with Ozai). Yes, his fighting prowess is empressive, but that's not emotional maturity. In Season 3 especially he is almost more immature as in the seasons before that. (Which is not a criticism - he's under a lot of pressure, and he's a child, he's allowed to be immature) - whether that's the way he behaves in The Runaway, evading strategy meetings after their loss mid-season, his freak-out at the Ember Island Players, or the way he storms off in his and Katara's last interaction before their Big Romantic Kiss. Growing into the role as Avatar is not the same as maturing emotionally for a relationship imo :)

Fire Lord married a Water bender would be hard to swallow by many Fire Nation citizens, especially after they lost the war, lost their colonies, and many soldiers fighting that said water bender. Yes it's poetic but unrealistic. It's like Japanese princess marries Douglas MacArthur's son after WWII. It's not impossible, but highly unlikely and politically inconvinient

@@kaptenhiu5623 To me it can be seen as the first of many steps to right the wrongs done by the fire nation. As we’ve seen later on in Korra, reconciliation of the nations isn’t out of the question, but to each their own.