Hold on, Lummi is real? Sorry I only watch the shorts I forgot she’s like a person and not a voice that’s got me (you look gorgeous btw!)

the way penny’s hearts go down in the first event if you dont agree with her for pushing some dude without his position throws me off especially since she doesnt apologize

I'm half-convinced the only reason Penny's 10-heart event is in the bathhouse is because ConcernedApe suddenly remembered he made a bathhouse but made no cutscenes for it, and he felt like it would be a wasted location. Although I think one of Alex's cutscenes would make sense there because he actually works out there during winter on a regular basis, so it'd make more sense for him to think to invite someone.

For the 6 heart, you don't have to lie. Take the heart loss. If you tell someone that the thing they were so proud of doing is bad, they're going to get upset. But they will get over it in time. It's not hard to regain the hearts. I think we're so used to game-ifying these relationships, what's optimal. Sometimes we hurt feelings, and it takes effort to build back up what we had.

10:00 Counter point: Children have a way of making innocent interactions sound horrible due to their lack of understanding semantics. She could have just been genuinely shocked about how bad that sounded and panicked. I've been on the receiving end of that situation once and no cheating was involved. Just nosy young siblings doing what they do best by being annoying at the worst of times. Penny's story involves a lot of topics and themes that are specific to either upbringing or personal preference which makes her hard to empathize with to a large audience.

I think the reason penny got that reaction when Vincent mentions the Sam and tree thing is because she's getting feelings for the player and she doesn't want the player to think they're that close in a romantic sense or make them jealous

So, as a physically disabled individual, I really don't agree with people getting upset at Penny over the 2 heart event. The fact of the matter is that this kind of situation is extremely polarizing for those people like George. You are pretty much just as likely to find someone who would get upset about it, as you are to find someone who would really appreciate the help. Yes, she crossed boundaries, but she was specifically going well out of her way to help someone, and that should really count for more positive points than her not thinking to ask should count for negatives. The fact of the matter is that if we treat disabled folks with kitt gloves and freak out because someone didn't help in exactly the right manner, than people are just going to stop offering help at all, because they don't wanna be the bad guy when they were just trying to help someone who genuinely seemed to need it. Like.... Look at it this way, if you were at the store shopping and were too short to reach something on a high shelf, would you be upset if another customer saw this and grabbed it down for you? No, of course not. Most reasonable people would be fine with that. But because George is disabled, people get all upset about a genuinely harmless action, that would have gone over seemlessly if he were able bodied. Furthermore, through the entire encounter, she was really respectful and polite. She never once said anything to indicate she viewed him in any negative capacity, and was never once dismissive. It's likely the only reason George even gets upset at all is strictly because of how sensitive he is about his condition. Several other events make it really clear that he views himself as a broken burden weighing down the lives of everyone he cares about. He didn't get upset because Penny did something wrong; he got upset because of his own negative self view. That's literally why he changes his tune later in the interaction. He was never mad at Penny; he was mad at HIMSELF for needing help in the first place, and openly acknowledges she did something good and kind for him. George is the disabled one here. If he, by his own admission, says she did nothing wrong, then we should view it the same way. I have a counter argument for every other thing you brought up here, but this was the biggest thing I wanted to comment about. I'd go into the rest, but don't want this to be miles long.

Honestly, just came here to say that we all have our preferences and it's fine. I feel like all the marriage candidates are written in such a way that they're penciled in so you can build and project as much as you want with them. But I just wanted to say how bothered I am with people disliking characters for being "boring" and making them out to be the worst because of it. Not everyone has to be something unique or powerful or quirky to matter. And they don't need to be that way to be appreciated. Penny is simple and traditional for a reason because as much as there's magic and mayhem in Stardew, what makes it home is that it can be comfortably ordinary. Penny's simple dreams can match with some who just probably wants to chill in the valley. Also, her losing hearts with you because you say you don't like children is not that wild to me? I mean, I've had people I grew apart with IRL because we don't share the same principles and I just don't vibe with them anymore. It's probably like that.

Haley's version is probably gonna be two hours long, and I look forward to it.

I don't disagree about the sam/penny thing not being platonic, HOWEVER there is the chance she's embarrassed by how vincent words it specifically because she has an interest in your character and doesn't want you to get the idea that she's interested in someone else/spoken for

My theory is that folks who play Stardew Valley dislike the spouses that they themselves are most like. My evidence: I hate Elliot, but my wife insists that i would be him if i were in the game.

I genuinely cannot get over how she acted with George. A wheelchair is a part of a disabled persons body, it is an extension of them and its important for movement and autonomy. Consent is important and when you try to tell her that she doesn't like it. You wouldn't pick up a person with dwarfism if they couldn't get someone off a shelf.

what if Penny was embarrassed by Vincent saying Sam lifted Penny because it DOES sound suggestive in some way. To Vincent he is telling an innocent story but to someone older they might look at Penny like "What? Is he your BOYFRIEND?". If Penny is shy she would be humiliated by people getting the wrong idea. She could be in a platonic friendship with Sam and still get embarrassed if someone thought they were together.

Penny is one if my favorite NPCs. The first heart event doesn't bother me as much as many others, I see it as introducing her as a bit shy, awkward and truly wanting to help, plus, I think the animation was just easier this way. I think Penny id a bit fragile and as we learn more about her we realize it has something to do with her upbringing. I love that CA made the characters grow, or open up as we get to know them as well as making a variety of NPCS to appeal to a variety of players. I would definitely enjoy seeing additional videos like this one.

WAIT, THAT HEART SCENE WITH GEORGE WAS PENNY'S? I legit thought that was the old man's.

As a Penny fan, I respect your take. I think it's just a matter of taste. Her flaws, to me, are minimized, and her strengths are maximized. It doesn't feel like a reach for me to like her, but if it is for others, then that's fine. :D It's just hard because Haley was my absolute fav from the start, but Penny won me over with her mixture of strength and vulnerability. I feel like Haley has the world at her feet, but Penny does appeal to my savior side. But she brings so much that I never regret it.

Honestly the biggest issue I have with Penny is the same issue i have with chasers-she wants to pressure me into having kids with her. Showing any disinterest in kids causes her to recoil, and you can lose *1500 heart points* by telling her you don’t like kids. You can’t be a real person with her, you just have to tell her what she wants to hear. Those are *literally* the reasons I broke up with my last ex. I find Penny really creepy and I don’t like her very much.

I love Penny personally, I didn't marry her in only 1 playthrough cause I was seeing how fast you could marry Leah via buying salads. She's quiet and reserved, is a bookworm, and she wants a family so she kinda ticks like, *all* of my boxes. I also dislike Haley, not a massive fan of girls who insult me until I've brought them a proper amount of gifts lol. Though I can appreciate the whole "Beauty and the Bumpkin" storyline she has.

Ofc she makes this video right after I started a new game just to marry penny

It would have made sense if Penny had a heart event at the library, just the two of you cosy in a corner with a book and you both take turns reading it to each other.

I find funny in a sad way how people keep being so offended because someone says they don't like a pixel. Guys. Penny is not real. She's not gonna be ugly crying with two buns because of this.

Penny's one of those characters that I honestly forget exists in the game, I only bothered raising her hearts at all because it's needed for an achievement. Same thing with Leah (which I get *so* much crap for).

I would love to hear your thoughts on Elliott. It seems like nobody in the community likes him (note that I’m fairly new to the community, but I’ve been playing for a good minute) but he is by FAR my favorite of any of the candidates, and maybe of the townsfolk entirely. He gets me right in my hopeless romantic heart and is just genuinely so kind and loving of a husband that I can’t imagine why anyone would dislike him unless they never got that far with him in friendship. I mean, I understand if a lovey guy isn’t your thing, but what about the platonic side? Idk, he deserves better imo

I don't like the air of resignment Penny always has, I know it makes sense for her, but I don't get a sense of progress in her character as the player gets more hearts with her. Also, her heart events don't point towards anything, there's no arc or story to follow and I don't feel like I'm developing a friendship with her. And I really dislike how we loose friendship points for telling her the truth. The options aren't even some mean or inappropriate dialogue as with other characters. Besides the fact that I feel bad for her life situation, there's nothing going on with Penny that I like.

There's an old saying that goes like "the most 'normal' looking person might just be the biggest freak" or something like that, or like "That guy that is nice to everyone in the neighborhood and dresses well is the guy that owns an entire dungeon cellar" so I'm not too surprised that Penny wants to meet in the bathhouse tbh.

her dialogue is also pretty repetitive and not that engaging for me. like, on 3 hearts all she said to me “sorry bout my mom everyone knows that she’s a piece of crap” yeah okay girlie i am sorry but not in a way that i want to marry you and she probably has anxiety issues in relationships because of her trauma so it would be pretty hard to build a relationship with her imho

Rating of heart events: ❤️2:it was a nice thing to do ❤️4:it’s a good thing to clean up that’s not her fault ❤️6: she’s trying to do something new, you don’t _have_ to lie ❤️8: it’s very good she’s teaching the children and it isn’t good to gossip and it might give the player a wrong impression ❤️10: crying if you say that would make someone cry like that also that stuff requires work so it would be relaxing Overall:9.6 /10

Man. As someone with a physical disability, I always get so irritated by people without physical disabilities trying to weigh in on whether what penny did is okay or not. You don’t have that experience. If George, the character who actually has the disability says it’s fine, then that should be that. If you DO have a physical disability that hinders you in a similar way, that’s fair. But saying “you shouldn’t help a disabled person without asking” when you have no idea how those people actually view it feels so entitled.

8:00 Given what's happened so far, I feel like I can kind of understand the storyline they're trying to go for. You're introduced to Penny who gets yelled at guy the grump after doing something as is meant to be nice. Helping someone who is struggling & even he admits he was being a jerk. Pam's mom yells at her for doing something nice such as cleaning up the place. 3rd event, Penny is trying something new & being a good person you do the polite thing & encourage her (especially if you're trying rizz her up) because while it's obviously bad the sweet thing to do is not to be rude & being blunt about it (though I will agree a constructive advice option would've worked better). A common mistake in video games is sometimes what you want to say a person is not what the dev team (not helped when the text doesn't match the dialogue line) if you're familar with Starwars ToR: you could pick something thinking it's playful banter only for it sound like an a-hole.

This video was made for me!!! 😂 (Great in-depth character analysis!!! That kind of stuff is my jam! ❤️)

fun fact: following the tsundere archetype original meaning haley is a tsundere, meaning lummi likes a tsundere

See for the two heart event I always go with the "That was a nice thing you did, Penny." as a way to deescalate. Like clearly she wasn't trying to be rude so I pass the hint to George. As for the Sam thing here's how I interpret it. So you can only start dating someone once they reach 8 hearts you might not be planning on dating Penny as far as Penny is concerned you are just a good friend. It could be that she's into you and just waiting for those flowers that may or may not be coming. Now she has Vincent blurting out a potentially PG-13 encounter and she's worried that you're not going to like her anymore even though she's not dating Sam. Otherwise she's not tied down so if you want it better put a bouquet on it. XD Oh so for the bathhouse, well let's face it there's a lot of suggestive material in this kid friendly game. I always interpreted that you two running the bases so to speak. Kinda like hiding in the bushes with Abigail. Penny invited you to swim, at night, alone, while you are dating.She knew what she was doing and you knew what was going on when you went there which again makes the rejection all the more heartbreaking. This was her pulling out all the stops for you. I know you don't really hate Penny and she's fictional I feel the same way about Haley while still recognizing her growth in heart events. I just always feel so bad for the character and I swear if I'm not going for Abigail I end up with Penny. PS: I would like to see more character analysis. Respect for my fellow English Majors.

And I hate how if you say “I don’t want kids” you lose almost ALL of your hearts I don’t know why she’s so offended considering your not even married let alone dating

please do shane next! he is the best bachelor in the sense his heart events tell an actual story… alex’s story is good too (if you’re playing as a male farmer)

Okay, I think I have a handle on Penny’s issues and I can summarize. Her biggest problem is: she’s fragile. She lacks confidence, needs you to lie to her or say pretty words to gain her favor, and openly shows distaste if you express opinions that don’t align with her values (when she asks if you want a family someday). She’s unable to cope with you having thoughts that are different from her own. It’s an invasion of the pretty reality she surrounds herself with, where she IS a good cook, where the things she does out of kindness are always correct (instead of well-meaning, but wrong, like with George), and where her love of kids is a moral imperative rather than an opinion. The thing is, living with an alcoholic mother, it makes sense that she closes herself off to the truth and only wants to see things through rose-colored glasses. It keeps her from having to see how ugly the reality of her life actually is. This is even evidenced by her living space- the trailer is a mess, the yard outside the trailer is littered with trash, but Penny’s room is this pretty, cozy space, tucked away from the rest of the house through the safety of a closed door. It’s a coping mechanism, and it makes sense for her character. So, basically, Penny has trauma and she’s in a bad home situation, which makes her fragile, which in turn makes her… kind of frustrating to date. If you can’t accept that you can be wrong, can be bad at things, etc, you aren’t ready to date someone, because there is a LOT of compromise in relationships. I’d even go as far as saying she’s used to being a victim, and is just playing the role she’s been given. It’s not really her fault, this is just what her life has been like forever- it’s what she’s used to, so it’s how she behaves. TL;DR the problem with dating Penny is you’re dating someone who isn’t ready for a relationship and it *really* shows. get this girl some therapy. thank you for coming to my TED talk

I wish to get a more detailed relationship table in game interactions, for example while playing the game i do not feel like i can see the change of behaviours in my bachelor's life enough. Seeing abby in caves with us, seeking some wild plants with leah, taking some photos with haley ( she can take our photo while i am struggling with fucking fishs), petting animals with shane, going to the city with max for music etc. Okey we can go to the cinema but this can be really boring after a while. Additionally, i really cannot feel their change in our relation except some of cutscenes, helping sebs for beating his smoking addiction like our affect in shane's life or giving some morale to the abby for her real hair, furthermore; talking about his real dad and more... While the heart events i cannot feel their actual emotional changes :( Note: I loved your real appearance lummi

She was mt first marriage when first played stardew. I felt connected to her broken home situation and liked the idea of having a traditional housewife and the stereotypical prairie schoolteacher. But then... THEN.... I started getting to know Hayley ❤❤❤❤

I like the idea of Penny but girl needs more growth other then being a teacher. Maybe have some cutscenes about her dad,heck she doesn't even have any friends other then the children.

I actually grew up in a community where it as more frowned upon to offer help than to just jump in. I actually got hit with "Obviously, why are you wasting time asking when you see me struggling??" more than once.

Penny is a modest girl and called you to the most outspoken place, because she is not even a fan of going to the saloon, and openly confessed her feelings, stepping over her indecision that was at the beginning. And the fact that she was rejected is quite a normal reaction after such steps. And losing a lot of points is quite normal for a broken heart.

I like Penny cause I think her goals line up the best with the player character. Let's face it, most of these characters would be bitterly contemplatibg divorce after a couple years stuck on a farm in Pelican Town raising my kids while I run around in the Skull Caverns till 2 AM every night. Whereas I think Penny would be genuinely happy as my opulent farmhouse tradwife

This is my first playthrough with a male character and I knew I would marry Penny right away. She has this cute, girl next-door vibe, she loves children, she tries to make a difference for them. The other girls dont spark my interest at all. To each their own but I was surprised to see how much hate Penny got tbh haha.

Please do more of these!! Would LOVE to see a series

Penny is just a wonderful person with realistic goals who just wants a normal life. What’s so wrong with that???

This is so funny and love deep dives in videgame characters lmao

omg, the voice in my head now have a face!!!!:D u are so pretty and your voice too, thank you for doing so funny shorts

I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS SO SO MUCH RAAAHHHH !!!!!!

I would love to see a full analysis of Emily like this!

EXACTLY, GETS YOUR HANDS AWAY FROM SAM, PENNY. (Idk her sprites scare me, she looks like a cartoon mom)

for the 8 heart event, it gives the vibe to me personally that penny didn't want you to get the wrong idea, so she worries when vincent says that, bc it sounds bad out of context and she doesn't want you to assume she's cheating or something. But yes i hate penny great video

love your voice. Also I agree with you about Penny and Haley

Yeah, even if I'm not romancing her, I usually install an overhaul mod to flesh out Penny some more. (Favorite mod is a Rival Events mod that pairs her and Maru together)

“But the context clues are context clueing!!” Had me rolling!! 😂😂

What a weird way to say she is the best girl

I still don't get the hate but different people have different opinions and can choose to have different reads of scenes. To me, and I may be bias because Penny is one of my favorites, but I see the 2 events that Lummi didn't like is she was just trying to help, could it have gone better, sure. And then when Vincent calls Penny out with what happened with her and Sam I look at it as more of embarrassment to Penny. I would think as you get further into the heart events the bachelor/bachelorettes tend to get close lo liking you more so with Vincent saying that she was embarrassed at that in front of your character, someone she likes. Those are my critiques to the scenes but as I've said, everyone can have different opinions and that's fine

Much like many others, Penny's two heart event is what first turned me off to her. I have a lot of friends who use wheelchairs, and one rule of thumb they all mention is to treat a person's wheelchair as an extension of their body. Could you imagine if you couldn't reach something and someone walked up from behind and shoved you out of the way? I do get that being a grumpy old man is George's whole schtick, but I think anyone would be reasonably upset by that. I have a lot of thoughts about Penny, but I'm having trouble wording them in a way that makes sense or isn't overly long. So, for now, I'll just appreciate having company in my distaste for her 😌

I loved this analysis, make one of those for Haley pleaseee

I saw this video and NEEDED to watch it at 2am

A different take for the 8 heart event is, if I love someone that I was trying to impress and my little sibling says hey this guy picked her up, you wouldn’t want them to get the wrong idea but yet again I understand your point of view

Lummi: "Being mean makes me feel bad." Lummi is a sweet girl. I would hug Lummi.

Every other bachelor abd bachelorette can take it if you reject them. They don't lose a ton of hearts. Penny is a walking red flag

I started watching your content heavily since I bought Stardew like 2 week ago. ngl I'm torn between marrying Penny or Haley, and your videos make it harder for me 😂

My personal theory on why Penny’s 10 heart event is in the bathhouse is due to the remoteness and serenity of the environment! She lives in a tiny trailer in the middle of town with her mother, and there are people everywhere she goes. She never really gets much time to destress in relative isolation, and the bathhouse is perfect for that. It’s the calmest environment as far away from people as possible! I just wish she went to the bathhouse more often to destress on a regular basis. Like once per month or something. Also, I used to HATEEE Penny because of her first heart event, but I’ve recently come around! I hate her first event still, but the fact that no matter what you say, GEORGE apologizes? That makes me think it’s not Penny’s fault that ConcernedApe didn’t capture the nuances of a stubborn old man in a wheelchair refusing to ask for help when he needs it (I am coping)

I get what you mean 😭 I 100% have a gut feeling that penny is doing something sneaky

I do like befriending George and finding out the reason behind why he's angry and that there is a nice guy underneath that

About Sam and Penny, I do think it's just platonic. She reacts like thisbecause she has started having feelings for the player, and because she is shy and anxious by nature. Most shy and anxious people I know react like that too. XD Penny is also my favorite, but I respect your feelings. UuU

Id like to see this done with others

Here's the thing about Pam, the trailer has 1 bedroom and Pam let's Penny have it.

The funny terria farm game has some heated discussions it seems.

You should definitely do a breakdown for each

I will watch all of them!

Penny is acting like this perfect little nice girl when in one of her heart events she literally starts crying if you tell her that you don't like her in a romantic way.😑

You should totally analyze Hailey and Emily next lummi 😈😈🙏

10 heart confusion bothers me too. It would be so much easier for the developer to change NPCs to just either flirt, blush in embarrassment, say thank you, or even push back for getting a bouquet because they hate flowers, than for all of them to say "Oh great, we're dating now" even though they all act pretty much the same except with one or two lines of romantic dialogue.

Hmmm yeah that bathhouse scene I didn't like either if you don't accept her feelings, I didn't like the way she just bursted into tears then ran off afterwords

Penny is one of these NPC I wouldn't notice the disparition from the game, if it ever happened lol Same with Alex, that's probably why I ship them 🤣 They're nice, they have a sad backstory but I could really play without knowing them at all.

Penny is a very safe option for marriage because she's just really traditional for a wife, which isn't bad all, but she lacks a umph factor. I like Penny as a person but not so much as a love interest. Her 4 heart event struck a chord with me cause I can relate to mental abuse and etc. from a parent. I'd definitely be in a platonic friendship with her, and that's all

funny story when i married penny on my main account on mobile i chose the straberry option got all of those items and the star decal for some reason

i wonder if the bath house is somewhere that she thinks Pam would never go so there is no chance of her interrupting?

I don't see this mentioned in the video or comments, but my biggest turnoff for Penny is when she asks if you want to have kids and you say no, and her response is something like "humans would go extinct if everyone felt that way." I personally don't have or want children, and have been told this in real life many times. My response to that is usually either "well, so what" or "it's literally impossible that everyone will feel that way so that's a stupid and irrelevant argument." It just irks me and it's also kind of insensitive to people who may want children but can't have them.

girl how dare you penny is my wife in all of my saves you date Hayley bc u like to be stepped on we both know full well you don't marry her for her story >:(

Can you do a video on Emily? I know she seams weird, but once you get to know her character she becomes more fun and lovely!

How do you open the cheats menu? Or is it a mod?

This is sad. My sister hates her.

would Love to see you compare Alex's route with m vs f farmer

I am a pam stan first and if her daughter and I become friends along the way to becoming Pam’s bestieeee that’s incidental /hj

Since Haley is your fave, you should do her next.

She is the best

No body can beat me bbg haley best bachloret

It’s a day late but yesterday it was -15C in Sackville but today it’s 3C have a great day!

Honestly the only reason I dislike penny is cause all the penny kissers hate Haley and I love Haley

First few times I saw the picnic cutscenes I was already married with children Penny: do u want kids? Me: ... Sebastian and I have two. Three if you count our froggy son like.

Its conflicting because you have great tastes with Haley but horrible taste when it involves penny

Can you cover each stardew valley expanded character? (Not quite sure if you did or not I'm new here lol)

Hi lummi! Is this a different kind of stardew??

Noo not my girlie

WAIT NO THIS IS MY BESTIE NOOO PENNY IS 11/10 😭❤

Which clothing mods are you using lummi??

Hey lummi Please tell me the artist name of your dp Your dp girl art is marvelous!! Totally love it❤👌 If you make that pls start drawing tutorials!

what mod is that making the dirt look like dirt and all that?