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If purchasing a game doesn't gives me ownership, then pirating it shouldn't be considered stealing.

remember kids pirating adobe products is always morally correct

"The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates." - Gabe Newell

I’m for Physical Media, but if a company won’t release a particular film or show I enjoy on Blu-Ray or 4K Blu-Ray, I won’t feel bad about pirating it.

You're more likely to get arrested for jaywalking by now.

If companies want to stop piracy, they’re going to need to do four major things: 1) Lower prices. Rather than adapt their models to work in the digital age, they’re trying to warp our new ways of accessing content to fit the old molds. Their models become unprofitable and it makes the experience far worse for the customer. 2) Make media accessible - no more constantly shuffling shows across different platforms and companies. They’re gonna have to come to some kind of new licensing agreement so content isn’t constantly disappearing from services. 3) Stop using DRM. If I buy an ebook, it shouldn’t be locked to amazon's kindle service forever. I should be able to load that book onto any e-readers I want. The concept of limiting how and where I read a physical book is ridiculous, so why are the standards different for digital? 4) Purchases are to own, not to access. We shouldn’t have our purchases ripped from us because a licensing deal ends, nor should we forever rent everything. Ownership is deeply tied to our sense of self. Not being allowed to own the art that shapes us can make us feel untethered.

"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable." - Gabe Newell

I tried to download a car once because of those commercials. I failed... But damnit it tried!!!

If I pay for anuthing, I deserve to have backups and stuff for me to use anytime, anywhere, at any devices.

As a southamerican, I can tell most of the common people can't afford 60 or 120 dollars to buy legit software.

Piracy is the only way regular people like us can fight the greedy companies trying to squeeze every last penny out of their customers. With every single channel having their own streaming service now, you're basically paying for cable again.

I will never stop. No one will stop me. The big companies won't lose too much money from me.

Piracy is about ease of availability. In the early 2010's piracy dropped dramatically with services like Steam and Netflix. Why did it drop? Because it was easy to buy with Steam and easy to find what you wanted with Netflix. What's changed? Well now there are 6 million streaming services and every company and their dogs have launchers/storefronts and everything now is so fractured and disjointed. So over the last few years, piracy has risen once again. Add to this, the addition of performance-killing DRM such as Denuvo, pirated versions often end up with superior versions.

if the Download A Car people didn't want us to pirate stuff, they shouldn't have made it look so cool

They almost found the perfect solution to greatly reduce piracy by making access to movies and music incredibly easy. Hell, i think music piracy is still down because of Spotify, youtube etc etc. Movies though? Now you need a chart explaining what streaming service has what portion of the show you want to watch to find it. Its legitimately easier just to pirate a show than it is to even keep track of streaming services

There are also situations like the Sony one from last year where their contract with Warner Bros. Discovery ended and they told everyone they'd lose all access to any Discovery content they ever purchased on the PlayStation Store, forever. The backlash was intense enough that they renewed the contract for "at least the next 30 months, " but 30 months still isn't forever, or even very long at all relative to how long a bluray lasts. The more things like this happen, the more confidence in digital distribution will be shaken, and the more people will resort to piracy as companies continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

I got a digital copy that came with a Blu-ray of an anime I bought. With the death of Funimation, my legitimate digital media literally got stolen from me. Ownership is important. Games, movies, music, books, software, you're just paying for access that can be revoked at any time. We'll be just a bunch of digital serfs, owning nothing and paying huge amounts of hard-earned money to virtual fiefdoms for shreds of entertainment we have no control over.

Because physical media is going away, they are deleting media that you bought and downloaded, and streaming is getting ridiculous.

Rar: "Trial ended. Pay us now!" Users: "No" Rar: "Understandable. Have a great day"

"Imagine paying for a DVD and having it disappear off your shelf" Aaaaand that's why I won't "buy" non-physical movies or music. If I wanted to only have temporary access to something, I'd check it out from the library. (the unfortunate exception to that is wrt video games with no physical release, mostly due to being indie titles without a budget for physical just yet, thankfully a good number of digital-only games that I love have gotten physical releases over time, most recently Smile For Me ♥ )

"Do not download any cars Unless it's a 1958 Edsel. Those are rare." got me laughing hard time. (also u wont stop me)

When I was a kid my dad taped terminator 2, predator 2 and die hard from HBO on a single VHS tape. It looked terrible but man it was awesome

If piracy is bad, then why does Sony do it all the time by removing movies that you bought etc.?

"... this image of me. It's not available on the internet," It is now.

There's something companies need to understand. If the price is unsatisfactory, people will be "trying before buying" or clearly never intended to pay in the first place, so the content owner doesn't lose from individual customers not paying. It's the issue when the content is shared and becomes available, so people who could pay, don't. The solution is giving additional benefits, games on Steam benefit from all additional Steam features and multiplayer, while music and songs benefit from subscriptions that give a lot of content for the price of one. If companies want people to pay, they need to give more than what's available by "free" means, and increasing prices only makes people compelled to look elsewhere.

1:03 Can confirm. I pirated so much anime in the early 2010s when i got my hands on the internet. And video games that weren't in print anymore. If Nintendo won't rerelease a game, why tf should I have to pay 200 dollars for it second hand when they don't gain any profit from that regardless??

This, among other reasons, is why I collect vinyl. Recently, it almost feels like I'm doing something wrong when I put a record on. I haven't gotten permission in the form of a 50 page licensing agreement. I'm not paying anyone a subscription fee or watching an ad to earn the privilege. There's the intial cost, sure. But depending on your taste, that could be $40 or $1. I haven't been able to confirm this, but I've heard that after listening to a vinyl record roughly 17 times, the carbon footprint of producing that disk is less than that of the server upkeep needed for streaming that same album 17 times. I've also noticed recently that when I look up a song on youtube or other streaming services, sometimes it sounds different than I remember. Things get tweaked, remixed, remastered, updated. Then this new version is the difinitive one, and the only one available officially on streaming platforms. It becomes the new norm and the original is forgotten. Vinyl shields you from that. Having a physical copy of music cements its place in time. It's like peering into the past and hearing the world as it was back then. There's obscure music that was only ever released on vinyl that has never been uploaded. There are vinyl-exclusive tracks and mixes. And kind of by default, all albums on vinyl are mastered differently than their CD or digital counterparts. Because of this, vinyl largely avoided the Loudness Wars of the 80's thru the 2000's. It feels so good to my human ears. And of course my favorite reason: The world could end tomorrow and we'd lose access to the internet, lose the infrastructure powering our stereos and speakers, lose the knowledge of how to code and decode an mp3 or even how to read sheet music. But all I would need is a needle and a paper cone to listen to my records and hear the sounds of a long-dead past. It's amazing that we figured out how to translate and "write down" something so ephemeral as a sound wave. And it's a beautiful feeling being able to hold in your hands the physical embodiment of a piece of music that gives you chills. To know that it's yours forever, and no congressman or greedy record exec can take it away. I'm sorry, this was supposed to be about piracy and I wrote a romance novel about vinyl. Btw, what Beatles press was that?

We can all agree that the best anti piracy ad was weird al's "dont download this song."

Piracy is way too big to be stopped

This is why I collect cds of my favorite albums and artists. They’re so cheap secondhand. Spotify can’t exist forever and I want to still have access to my music when it goes down. Music is too important to me

So long as corporations overcharge or take advantage of their consumer base; there will always be piracy

All what is needed is that corporations should stop being greedy.

the anti piracy ads was an advert to those who didnt know they could get free stuff thats why piracy went up streisand effect

I do HOPE that piracy never stops: keep on doing the good work, to improve the productions that lazy and profit-driven producers ruined...

Geez, I just remembered my childhood and teenage years using the ARES P2P system to download things. Worst thing of all is that the person who taught me how to use it told me that it wasn't piracy but instead I was helping the producing companies by "taking free samples of their products and having feedback sent to them" (I was a child back then. I would still believe Power Rangers were real). Just imagine the surprise I got when I learned the truth. Geez, good times.

Also, I love buying physical albums, sitting down with my portable CD player + not skipping anything... (Nostalgia from this though, seeing the old Windows Media Player and Winamp.. cry)

If we don't own the games we buy on digital storefronts, than piracy isn't stealing.

But we have a store in the UK called 'HMV', it's a very famous record shop + sadly a few years back they were slumped into administration (Bankruptcy), so seeing that new it scared me so much ! But I was so so happy to find out that they survived, a few stores closed but so many more are now open + are beaming with so much vinyl and customers. Loads of people buying CDs + DVDs.. it's great to see.

I remember seeing that PSA back then, Scared me shitless lol

The "Do not download any cars" at the beginning instantly had me saying outloud, "You wouldn't steal a car..." I swear in the early 2000s they had that "PSA" at the beginning of almost all the DVDs 😅 You did an absolutely fantastic job with your closing words starting at 23:42 and I feel exactly the same way, with one exception. Companies need to continue to offer physical media of all kinds..books, movie, games,ect. If some ppl like things digital great, but don't force those of us who don't like it (for many reasons) into buying digital.

they say things cycle about every 20 years, and were perfectly aligned with that idea right now when it comes to piracy being mainstream. I dont want 100 streaming services at $15 /month

Theft removes the original item, piracy makes a copy.

I know that it's the death of physical media right now but I actually think that it's coming back to life very slowly. Obviously vinyl is cool again, how long until CDs are? And with streaming prices going up every month it won't be long until people either want DVDs, or become pirates. I know that piracy is also on the rise as of recent. R/Piracy sees more users every day and i truly think this is the next wave. Edit: lmao if I had waited 5 more minutes for the video to load the next 15 seconds I would have realized you said basically everything I said word for word.

Still amazes me that to this day, there are people who truly believe the legal/criminalizing push against piracy is why it declined throughout the years, and not because services innovated to adapt to a clear user need. Even in spite of watching these services nosedive in quality and service, re-surging another wave of piracy. Piracy is a service problem not a user problem.

If purchasing isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft. Plain and simple. That's like having your cake while the companies eat it for you.

'stahp pirating!!!' me after pirating 627 songs onto a hard drive: 🍷🗿

Imagine wanting to play games from an older beloved console but that console has been discontinued and most games can no longer be purchased thus throwing those games where they cannot be found (exept for sketchy ebay listings). This is why some forms of piracy are morally correct because without preservation projects like Vimm's Lair those games wouldn't exist anymore.

The problem with streaming services, is that after a certain amount of time has passed, the service may choose to remove the TV show or movie from their platform. That means it won't their forever for you to download

I love my DVDs, cds and blu rays ❤️💿 long live physical media!

It won't stop because humans are a learning species. Obstacles don't stop us, they just force us to come up with new ways around them. What WILL stop us is more work, like piracy websites asking for personal information or making you sit through lots and lots of ads for sketchy products. "Oh, you can have this, no trouble, but you gotta jump through hoops to get it. How badly do you want it?" I'll always remember that scene with the matchmaker app in Rick & Morty, where the only thing that cures users of their literal addiction to it is making them sit through ads to use it.

Don’t sell perpetual licenses to products if you won’t allow for the download and archival of that product (speaking mainly in gaming and software here).

The number of "pirates" reached its highest back in the early 2000s. That is because everyone was using Napster, Limewire, and other programs like those. Everyone was downloading pirated music and then burning their mix CDs.

The number of subscriptions is getting ridiculous. Car features, streaming services, software, and online gaming subscription tiers are becoming more common. Companies are making features that were once free and making them a part of the paid subscription.

As far as i'm concerned; copyright law needs to be brought back in line with patent law, no more than 20 years (15 + optional 5 extension) after initial publication of the work. There must also be end of life plans put into place for programs and games otherwise reliant on outside servers to function or they become public domain regardless of how much time would otherwise be left 6 months after servers are shut down. If one hasn't made money off their work after 20 years, that should be the fault of the copyright owner/publisher alone; I have no sympathy for those who attempt to defend a lifetime of exclusivity for an idea at the expense of the preservation of our history and culture.

I saw a NationSquid video show up in my recommended and had a sudden blast to the past haha

The Internet is actually 54 yrs old. I was an Alpha-tester in Oct 1969 when they brought a Telex machine to my High school in Vancouver & I sent an "e-mail" to Simon Fraser University. Even today I get my Internet through my land-line phone. Enjoying your Channel. Yes Opera is my Browser of choice.

One thing you didn’t touch on how when the prices go up the quality of the product doesn’t, people will pay more if its a better experience but when you pay for a worse experience people feel cheated and piracy becomes a better experience and better quality. you can download a blue ray quality movie, where when streaming even in 4k its still a lot more compressed then a blue ray. i wish i could but blue rays but that’s not an option and paying for a movie of the same quality online is almost impossible so the best way people see is to pirate it

What we want is a way to get what we want for relatively cheap. Getting songs for 99¢ a piece was nice but as a broke middle schooler and high school freshman who had an mp3 player we were forced to pirate music. Our parents weren’t going to pay for us to have a library of even 25 songs let alone the 1000s that Apple Music lets me have. Over the course of my time as a teen who didn’t understand the internet I only had 20 songs on my player. I used the radio function of my mp3 player a lot while on the bus. My family was strict. I didn’t get a smart phone until I graduated in 2016. I had only a keyboard phone.

Corporations have routinely tested with me the viability of simply doing without. They did this with cable TV. I gave them the finger in 2004 and cut the cord. They did this with physical media, and my pre-recorded tape collection doesn't really exist (and my CD collection is around 100, and DVDs are a similar number). My pre-recorded VHS collection is similar because pre-recorded VHS used to cost a lot (like $80 for ONE movie in the early 1980s!). With the hellscape that is streaming and digital today, they're making it really easy for me to simply not subscribe (or "buy" without actually owning a thing). They're fucking around and finding out that I can do without their ephemeral product (I hold my part of this bargain up by actually doing without). It's not like they're providing food, clothing or shelter. If companies can delete my ephemeral digital copy of a thing I BOUGHT, and thus make me "un-own" it, then I have difficulty considering piracy of their stuff to be "theft". They could have at least given me my money back.

I literally wants me to go back watching cable. You can record what shows come one and off, and although it is just patience, it's the closest to owning a physical copy of that show or movie. I don't even care if I record it to VHS or DVD... It's honestly sad that companies today can remove stuff in a snap, and ruin so many relationships all because of money. Look at Disney starting to fade away from some of their DVD and Blu-Ray production for media you can't obtain. Sad world we live in...

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As a Linux user, piracy is my favorite way to watch shows and movies. The movie Pirates of Silicon Valley is actually only available via piracy!

Piracy will stay as long as companies keep increasing their price to fuel their greediness and profits

unrelated to the video but nationsquid pushed my interest in technology so hard that i became a computer science student thanks for the good vids 🙏

In Soviet Russia, the people used discarded X-ray pictures to create bootleg recordings of of vinyl records in the 1950s and beyond. The people used to play music on those "bones" or "ribs," as they, the "stilyagi," used to call the fake records...

This is so true. Pirating isn't stealing these days, it's being self-sufficient. With all the exorbitant prices and lack of true ownership... Why give someone your money, if you don't own the product? It's no different than competing businesses. If you cannot provide a satisfactory service to a customer, that customer is more than free to get the product elsewhere from a more competent provider.

Yup Just Downloaded a 1958 Edsel. Thanks for the tip

What is the only way to play PT, the most influential game in the entire history of horror video games? Piracy.

Piracy is actually a GOOD thing. If it wasn't for piracy, we wouldn't have any sweet modded video games that got more love from modders than it's developer.

if buying isnt owning piracy isnt stealing

I just did a search for 28 Days Later and yep, it is gone. That is bizarre. Why would that just disappear from all viewability, it's it's a great film?

Another big thing is how anti piracy measures often make the experience a pain in the ass for paying customers, and pirated copies legitimately offer a better experience. From old PC games having weird ass cyphers you have to solve before the game starts, but the pirated copies simply started like any other program. To pirated movies removing all the annoying pre-movie ads and messages (ironically including the anti piracy ad lmao)

Been buying legit since the early 2010s, after years of pirating stuff as a kid. Felt great for a while. Now, that old itch to pirate is getting more unbearable. These companies aren't just greedy. They don't seem to give a damn about their own products - their employees' years of hard work - going to the ether. It's like they WANT us to pirate. Pisses me off. Since 2019, I've been saving a backup copy of every piece of media I've owned. I also have a cr@ck for every program that has a DRM in case it goes defunct in the future.

If I buy a book, I can read it any way I want, at any time, in any location, without internet access, as many times as I want, into perpetuity as long as the book physically lasts. I can write in the margins, and can make personal modifications or annotations however I want for personal use. The book will never be taken from me or rendered unusable through any means that aren't already felonies, or catastrophic events. If I buy an ebook, movie, or game, I can only play it on certain devices, while the servers are up, in certain regions and countries, online only, only while companies actively maintain their official apps, and am subject to anticheat and tamper protection even for single player games, only for as long as the licensing and servers last (which can typically be anywhere from 0 days, to maybe a decade or two). The purchase may then be taken away or rendered unusable at any time for any imagined reason by the company, with no legal recourse or refund for the purchaser. Ross Scott's "Games As A Service" video continues to be relevant.

This is why I'm not a big fan of streaming. If a record company or movie studio decides to have a fit, or you decide to move continents, something can be taken away from you. With physical media or with MP3s, you always have control what goes in or out.

I find the message here to ring hollow. You can hope that big companies will do what is in the best interest of everyone, but if nothing changes, companies wont change.

I genuinely believe if the company is both not selling the product and that product is almost impossible to find legally or impossible to find legally without having to pay app to 800 times retail price for after market copies, piracy is fully legal and justified... A great example is a lot of anime from the early 2000s, and other TV shows that basically are impossible to find. Like for example, most of the digimon series are impossible to find for anything under thousands of dollars to own a whole set And you are lucky if you find it streaming Anywhere for long.

Well if they’re allowed to remove or alter something after you purchase it i.e. digital copies, then piracy isn’t a crime

The first time I saw it was on a pirated Garfield DVD. Ah, the irony. Also, don't copy that floppy.

A big component of prices for streaming services being low in the past was the artificially maintained low interest rates. Those interest rates made it so investor money would keep flowing no matter what, so that revenues from customers could be kept relatively low for a very long period of time. However, that's changing and now and we're seeing the "true" cost for these services. Corporations are laying off non-essential employees, raising their prices and balancing their budgets better in the new interest rate environment. The true cost of these streaming services was never really low, it's just that companies were relying on investors to foot the majority of the bill.

i dont see piracy as a crime and stealing because i copy the original file and the owner get to keep the same unlike robbery and theft. you steal from people and they left with nothing so, i am good with piracy. DIGITAL only

“piracy is almost always a service problem” - Gabe Newell

I've seen pirated media come with higher video quality compared to the official services due to their DRM not liking my particular setup. Also, there are times where pirates provide me better subtitles.

The best thing about the "you wouldn't steal a car" PSA is they used the music without the artists permission.

Why do companies act like one guy downloading a 60$ game for free will make their company go bankrupt

Anyone remember VCR's? Cassette recorders? TV show recording, radio music recording. Any time you wanted, any where you wanted. Pepperidge farm remembers.

I liked a quote from the late great Eric Flint during his introduction to the Baen Free Library: "As a widespread phenomenon rather than a nuisance, piracy occurs when artificial restrictions in the market jack up prices beyond what people think are reasonable."

I support the existence of piracy, it is necessary for the survival of media. Without pirates we would have lost so much stuff while having no chance to get it again!

I am commenting to feed your algorithm, because I laud the guts it takes to advertise the sponsor you did on KZfaq. They are openly at war with one of the services provided.

I’m so glad you mentioned x ray bootlegs! I was just about to comment about that when you started mentioning vinyl ripping

Piracy is essentially the market's way of saying how it wants media producers to distribute their products. There is this saying, "Do not attempt to tell the Internet what to do. It will only laugh at you and do the exact opposite." "Perhaps it's the companies who are the problem, not the pirates." Those companies are absolutely going to blame everyone else but themselves for piracy. A company admitting that it is in the wrong is _never_ profitable for said company.

I hate copyright because I want to see an old TV program and a service say that they have it but they can't show it because it could be copyrighted. And I have not found any other place that claims to have it.

If there's something you can't find, try going to your local library first. And if they or any other local libraries don't have it, they can always request it. Granted it's not from an overseas library, IDK haven't tried to request any thing from Sweden yet.

Im of the position that if a certain peice of media is not available to be purchased in any way from the original creator its not only ok to pirate but I encourage you to do so.

I feel like piracy is doing more good than harm nowadays. We can access pretty much a lot of games from the last several generation, every movie and show can easily be saved for many years, and you can pirate without a worry for the most part. I feel like it’s a great way to save media for future generations to enjoy. Downloading a game rom or movie file pretty much doesn’t feel evil as much now.

Everytime I saw the "You wouldn't download a car" thing before watching a dvd or whatever I laughed and said yeah, I wouldn't steal a car sure, but I'd definitely download a car if possible. :)

My favorite anti-piracy ad is the FACT one where a guy is forging steel with a x-shaped stick and there's a thousand of dramatic fire effects to the point where it's unintentionally hilarious. It's even more dramatic than the "You wouldn't steal a car" one.

The ironic thing is that often times pirated games function better than if you purchased it regularly

Piracy is generally wrong. However, so is taking away access to digital content I've purchased. Which is why I have a local server with a digital copy of every Kindle or audible book, every movie, every album, and every tv show I've ever purchased, with the DRM removed. I'm happy to pay for content, but once I have, you don't get to take it away.