Agreed

It's the age thing. Makes us more cautious. Which LR referred to -- these folks have jobs and families. Even in spirited group rides I'll let wheels go if I have any doubts about the bike handling skills of guys around me.

Also, no guttering! 🤣 too much lovey dovey in this masters race. Mutiny builds character 🤣🤣

Justin is strong!

Thanks for chiming in! and congrats on the result.

takes a little bravery to fill every gap ahead of yourself since it's likely you will filter into the front and be stuck in the wind for a little while.

think its also a big case of everyone else starting to fade, they dam near started from 550m to go afterall. he shoulda pushed left right after coming out of the corner but he went outside of one guy and moved over after he passed him

I would be happy to if someone sends me the raw footage and data file.

@@NorCalCycling I'd have sent some in if British cycling allowed us to film them 😬

@@NorCalCycling i would send some but the british cycling rules dont allow it maybe look at the british cycling livestreams and thanks for the reply

@@samabbott7286 Do you lads do any unsanctioned races where you could use the go pros?

@@LanterneRougeCycling not to sure but will check i found some footage on youtube that would probably suite your style of commentary i think the course is in scarbrough and is hilly kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7ppnJR12KmslGQ.html is the video link and you might have to look into the course route thanks for the reply

Beer and chips gut out!

Unfortunately they had to cancel the race for next year it was a awesome race but in order to win this race its on a breakaway or third wheel into the final hairpin

theres a difference between chopping and taking your team mates wheel/working on the front. you dont swing across someones front wheel and cause them to brake or swerve, thats just being a douche. also kinda depends on what cat youre racing, as a 4 if youre even slightly assertive most 4s will let it go. try taking someones wheel in the 1/2s and its never gonna happen. its kinda feel, you get your bars in the right place and just slowly take the position you want if theyre not letting you in. id say one thing to try is instead of swinging off the front just slip down right next to the guy instead of having a bike width gap between you and the next guy on the front. MOST of the time people are more then willing to let someone else in if theyre willing to work on the front. i know i love to sit in the top 10-15 in a crit and just float through the corners. you want in and to keep working on the front? BE MY GUEST. last few laps though? or crucial corner/hill whatever coming up? theres no chance in hell i let you take the wheel im on. at that point ive already decided what im doing and im not letting you change that. ive had many many many times on the track where i want to move around and you have to be somewhat assertive yet slowly work your way into a different position. i wont shove someone out of the way, but if theres a gap and i can get my bars or wheel there in front of you its my spot now. i also happen to end up in post race discussions as someone whos a bit more agressive then people expect, but im also a 4 and i have no problem filling small gaps and riding tight/bouncing off shoulders. dont push unless its necessary, but dont be afraid to wedge your way into a gap once you see it. just gotta react, if you think about it its too late

I would love to see you guys continue to review racing footage and break down, good and bad things. I have been learning a lot!

100 watt FTP

@@LanterneRougeCycling Is.... Is that going to be a fair race?

@@craigfirman1809 Position trumps power...but for real, Norcal would destroy me haha

Over 10

@@NorCalCycling did you race professionally? I myself raced for over 8 years. Have 8 national titles, U-17, junior, u-23 and elite. I always had a lower np than anyone else from my team because of my positioning in the bunch. Even though we had the same waight equipment etc. The "art" of positioning is really hard to learn. Some are born with the skill some have to work for it. One thing is watching a video and commentating on a race. Usually we forget that decisions are made on a bike under a stressful situation like the final kilometers of a race. You're adrenaline is high you're puls is pumping you're breathing hard. So mistakes can happen. BUT if you have such footage of yourself racing you can sit down and see where the mistakes were made. Try to keep calm in such situations. Go to a few races and just practice positioning don't think about the result. The vast majority of my career I raced alone so I was forced to use other people to my benefit. Squeeze every little drop of recovery during a race. Use momentum use the corners use shelter. Even in a peleton of 200 people you can move from position 200 to position 15-20 through the middle of the pac. The key is patince and a cool head.

on a course like this I would be super tempted to just go TT mode on the tail wind side around through to the last corner and hope that noone else can keep up with the pace. This guy was coasting on the tailwind section going 27mph, if he just did a reasonable consistent power it could easily be 35mph

@@notreally2406 i know right?

I have some material of a Fixed Race where i end up losing wheel because of burning lungs too hard. Obviously its not on my channel but i can send it if you like.

This isn't my footage, but yes, I use GoPro.

You're assuming the wind is going faster than the cyclist which is never the case.

@@NorCalCycling hmmm. OK, interesting. Thanks for the reply.

I try to be as concise as possible, but often I have a lot to say with not much time, especially at the most critical parts of the race (last couple laps) I'm working on being even more concise, thanks for your input.

NorCal Cycling as a counterpoint, I enjoy the slowdown as it gives you time to explain why it's the right move with visuals available

@@rjbman93 my bad I should have been more explicit. I too enjoy the "slowdown" to point out what I should be looking for. In earlier vids, @norcal would pause the video, which I prefer. The recent 2-3 vids have done rewinds, which I could do without. Anyway, I'm splitting hairs, its all good stuff, and only mention it at all because @norcal asked for feedback in the past.