He is so wrong about their views of sex, it's ridiculous. Nobody in the Jewish culture is or was fine with people going around have having sex to make someone their wife. It was improper and wrong. Having sex during an engagement period was wrong too, even if it happened sometimes. All of this is irrelevant for Jesus was Joseph wasn't his father and people knew that. The entire video is kind of pointless.

@@huntsman528 "Nobody in the Jewish culture is or was fine with people going around have having sex to make someone their wife." what is your evidence for this? "It was improper and wrong." I know you think that they did, but *why should I believe that?* "All of this is irrelevant for Jesus was Joseph wasn't his father and people knew that. " then why was he allowed in the temple genius?

@@huntsman528 "All of this is irrelevant for Jesus was Joseph wasn't his father and people knew that." Also see Matthew 13:55, Luke 4:22, and John 6:42.

I know everything about Mary,.Mary isn't the queen of heaven anymore, Mary is now the queen of Denmark only.

The proper Jewish legal definition of a bastard is this and only this; that the child be born to a woman married to a man who is not the father. The child of a single woman who fornicates even with a married man is not a bastard.

Book of Numbers chapter 30 describes that married Jewish women were permitted to take vows of virginity if their husbands agreed to it. This helps us to understand that She had taken a vow given Her perplexing reply to Angel Gabriel. Old world Greek Angel Gabriel addressed Her as Kecharitomene. Might shine more light one Her Holiness Remember also in Judaism Old Testament, the queen beside all those kings were not ever a wife, it was always the mother. God Bless

This was amazing. I’m not even halfway in and I’ve learned so much. So much reference to Jewish traditions and laws that it makes nothing but total complete 100% sense.

At Lourdes, our Blessed Mother revealed to St Bernadette: "II am the Immaculate Conception "

​​@@francisleong6412 Satanic. The LORD rebuke you. Blessings in FOLLOWING CHRIST. 🙏🏻👣👣

Just discovered it this month.

This podcast is fantastic

THANK YOU Joe for this awesome descriptive teaching talent you have for the Glory of God and his One Holy Catholic and Apostlic Church .

I'm so happy to hear that!

That's good feedback, thanks! These kinds are a lot more work to make, so I am happy to hear that it's worth it.

Thank you, God bless you and Merry Christmas!

They can't help but slander Christ's church

You started blessing gay couples yet? Lol

@jwatson181: The Catholic Church cannot bless same-sex unions. You actually believe the fake news media?

​@@jwatson181typical Protty vomit. Stick with the topic. Oops, my bad - with u and ur faith tradition's shallowness, ignorance, and illogicalness don't expect much intellect and reason on you're part.

​@@jwatson181as well as tax collectors and prostitutes

That's understandable. Thousands of years of history need dedicated study we simply can't acquire it!

The marriage supper of the lamb already took place.

Thanks! God bless and Merry Christmas!

We all seem to forget that there have always been people who consecrate themselves to God and make bows of chastity. John the Baptist is one. It’s good to hear someone explain it like he did.

Keep in mind virginity and celibacy are signs of the world to come. Jesus celibacy, Marys purity in virginity and Josephs chastity all point that way. We too if we get there, will all be celibate. Only here we need to procreate, and unfortunately we abuse the gift. This was a reason for the Holy family, to point that direction as a visible sign of love and sacrifice. Read the genealogy in Matthew. Joseph was the next in the line of kings of David. Such humility he is an example of. He had to keep hidden from Herod and protect the True King. Joseph is such an example for men, too bad few see that. But check out Dr. Brant Pitre videos he does a great job explaining everything and jewish traditions.

We, also, say Jesus and Mary are the new Adam & Eve so Mary as the new Ark of the Covenant is appropriate.

As all of the temple instruments, the tent of meeting and the ark were based off of the heavenly realities so is Mary, the perfect NT fulfillment of the oT ark based on a better covenant.

Trent Horn makes a great point about this. If you look in the OT, it's very clear what happens to those who wrongfully touch the Ark of the Covenant. Even if they are good, they only know destruction for touching that which is God's. It stands to reason that the New Ark of the New Covenant shall also be undefiled.

​@@LydiaBee13exactly. Just ask the Nazis who tried to steal the Ark in the movie, what happens.

@@jeffscully1347 perfect example 👌🤣

You are so wrong. Only God deserves worship...basic Bible.

God deserves worship, and thus the things of God deserve respect. We ought to treat the Arc of the Covenant as holy and set aside for God. Because it is the primary instrument of God in the Old Covenant. We ought to treat Mary as holy and set aside for similar reasons.

​@@susanburrows810 nobody said honoring the Mother of God means worshipping her. But to blaspheme against the spiritual truths about her is in fact dishonoring God so it's important to understand those truths

Silly ignorant entity, Catholics doesn't worship Mary😅

As a Vietnamese, it's very easy for us to understand this. We use the same words to denote siblings and cousins of the same ranks. For example: "anh" is older brother or a male cousin from your parents older siblings or "em" , a younger sibling or cousin from your parents younger siblings.

There are six basic patterns of kinship in the world's languages. This Wikipedia article is very interesting if you've never heard of it before. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinship_terminology English follows what's called Eskimo kinship.

what your beef with protestant's ?

@@matthewashman1406 It doesn't sound like a beef... One wants those he/she LOVES to share in the benefits of the truth. We leave people to their own devices when we don't care about them, or lack the courage to speak up when we think they are in danger or missing out on something good and important.

He literally showed a video of a Catholic who had this misunderstanding. My protestant children understand that Mary was married to Joseph. Seriously, this isn't a "Protestant" issue.

@@huntsman528do you or your children understand that Mary remained a virgin her entire life?

@markmitchell402 I understand that the perpetual virginity of Mary is found nowhere in scripture. I understand that Catholics use invalid gnostic books such as the false Gospel of James. According to Catholic Podcasters, Mary and Joseph weren't really married as they never consumed their marriage (at least according to them, the Bible disagrees). Their "marriage", if you could call that could just be dismissed. This is how they describe people who get married and only ever use contraceptives. They aren't really married. Why I'd teach my kids "biblical facts" that are not found in the Bible is beyond me.

I find it very interesting how many super popular ideas in american protestantism are from the middle of the industrial revolution.

As a convert from Prot to Cath, I have thought about the way Prots talk/think about celibacy - they seem to despise it??! Even old women (like my mother) despise it. It's almost like an anathema. I hypothesize that this is due to Luther's rejection of celibacy and his taking a nun as a wife (apparently living a more fulfilled life). Could it be that Luther's "thorn in the flesh" was his sexual desires, could it be the driving force behind his "reformation" (Faith Alone)?? I too struggle to accept celibacy (for myself), but at least I can see that this is biblical and a proper way to honor God. Prots don't seem to see this anymore. Why? It is related to their rejection of the Catholic faith - it is their "protest".

How dare you say " Mary hate." THAT is a lie. We think Mary was a wonderful human who humbly accepted her servanthood. As fully and only human, she was sinful & needed forgiveness & salvation, & does not have a place in heaven next to God, no matter how many "Catholic prayers" say she forgives others & is co-responsible for the salvation that only JESUS AS GOD OFFERS. It's blasphemous to say Mary is in any way divine...God is a jealous God & does NOT share worship due Him. A Biblical Christian understands this.

Hi,Tim. My guess is that your very Baptist mother-in-law is working hard to foster harmonious family relations, as, I gather, are you. This is praiseworthy, and carries promise for future blessings if you all persevere. God bless you.

The Mystical City of God by Ven Mary of Agreda is a must-read on this.

@@CatholicDefender-bp7my lol great comparison. He is an extreme anti-Catholic and I've heard him say blatant lies about Mary and church in general.

@timrichardson4018, what if Roman Catholics were being very Baptist? What if they are just being very christian. I do not hear people say things which are common ground with most of christianity and think how very The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of them. I am confused by you doing that.

I wouldn't say that English is a Christian language, per se. It's rather a language which has been deeply influenced by Christianity. There are still many vestiges of the Germanic paganism which English speakers practiced. Think of the names of the days of the week.

And really, English is a Protestant language. 50 years prior to the English Reformation you have Middle English texts like Le'Morte D'Arthur, which the average English language speaker would have a devil of a time reading today. Modern English has developed almost entirely post-reformation and almost entirely in countries where the Reformation influence was unusually prominent (Ireland being a notable exception, of course).

Yeah can't divorce someone you aren't married too

@timrichardson4018, I'm happy for you to have realized something I realized 40 years ago. I'm not a Protestant. Protestants realize that, too. The title of this video is a false accusation.

AMEN!!!

I don't mean this in any way other than pure curiosity, but did they also teach the perpetual virginity? I'd never heard any of this in my Protestant background until I watched Joe's episode titled Was Mary a Perpetual Virgin?

Yes the five sins and blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

It’s a misunderstanding of Jewish marriage, is why some priests may say that

The song is not consistent with Catholic theology.

@@johnflorio3576does the church say it’s a mortal or venial sin to listen to it?

​@@Wgaither1has the FULL TRUTH of Catholicism ever been revealed to you, but u still reject it?

@@essafats5728isn’t that a oxymoron

@@Wgaither1 thank God you are oxymoronic. just answer the question with a simple yes or no.

Hi, Ethan. It's good that you as a Protestant had such appreciation as you did. Nonetheless, there's a distinction to be drawn, and it makes all the difference. The understanding that you describe makes sexual relations before the second stage morally objectionable, whereas the second stage in ancient Jewish weddings carried no assumption of continence prior to the second stage. The Jewish second stage would simply have been transfer of residence and authority structure. The implication is that both parts of Isaiah's prophesy are striking and unexpected, with the resulting compounding of the unlikelihood of fulfilment in other than the Messiah.

Pope Peter is great read

Totally fair! I find it incredibly difficult to name episodes in ways that are both (a) accurate and (b) interesting enough that people will actually click on them. In this episode, there were two points that I was trying to make: (1) that Mary wasn't an "unwed mother" and (2) that this underscores something about her perpetual virginity. The first of those isn't really a "Catholic/Protestant" issue (most Catholics and Protestants misunderstand the Jewish background). But the second one is, which is why we went that direction.

@spamdump4459, I disagree with you use of the term, "life of chastity" because sex between a husband and wife is chaste. You meant, "life of celibacy". I look at that those facts about Mary and see proof that they did not have sex until step 2 of the marriage ceremony. Most people have sex as soon as they believe it is allowed. Why would Mary and Joseph be different?

As if "protestants" didn't know this. 🙄

@@andrevisser7542 yes a lot of them are not told about the history of the church deliberately....because protestant pastors would lose them as tithes .... everything about the Protestant movement is tithes .....even though tithing was removed with the new testament .....protestants don't even know that : Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant. Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests (1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest (Heb. 7). The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant. Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation-to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43-47; 4:32-37; 11:27-30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1-4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1-4-a passage often cited in popular circles in support-doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem. Protestantism is all about money ........ASK ANY EX PROTESTANT.

@@andrevisser7542 yes protestants are deliberately not told about the history of the church ......because if they did ....pastors would lose their tithes when protestants become catholic . Protestants don't even know that tithing went out with the New Testament: Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant. Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests (1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest (Heb. 7). The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant. Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation-to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43-47; 4:32-37; 11:27-30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1-4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1-4-a passage often cited in popular circles in support-doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem. Protestantism is all about the money Ask any ex protestant.

But she was ALWAYS a perpetual virgin, with greater honor due to her than the OT Ark of the Covenant!

Yes, dowry was one way of creating the first stage. Good question!

@@shamelesspopery Thank you Joe for your quick reply. As a fellow Catholic in Australia, I enjoy your presentation style and learn much from your scholarship. I am very active on KZfaq comments, defending Our Lady, Our Lord and His Church, witnessing to muslims, protestants, orthodox, atheists and agnostics, making good use of resources like yours. I particularly like and learn from Dr Scott Hahn, Dr John Bergsma, Dr John Lennox, Michael Lofton of Reason&Theology, Alex of Voice of Reason, Bryan Mercier from Catholic Truth, Jimmy Aiken and other Catholic Answers apologists, Assyrian Church of the East member Sam Shamoun and his friend Dr David Wood. Sam and David are very learned anti-islam scholars. Australian Catholic Charbel Raish, founder of Parousia Media is also a great inspiration for me. May you and your family enjoy a blessed Christmastide and prosperous New Year!

Merry Christmas, Jay! You're right that Luke uses mnēsteuō to refer to their relationship throughout the pregnancy, while Matthew says that they "came together" at some point prior to the birth of Jesus. Neither evangelist provides us with a particularly detailed timeline, but it seems that Matthew is being more nuanced here. (One sign Matthew's description is more accurate is that Joseph and Mary aren't just registering together, but staying together on the journey). Physical consummation isn't how an ancient Jewish wedding was consummated, which is what has led to a lot of misreading of the passage. The physical aspect could happen it the first stage of the wedding, but the second stage (nissuin) was consummated by a blessing followed by the seudat nissuin (wedding feast). This is the wedding feast we see in the wedding of Cana (John 2) and in the book of Revelation. So the "until" isn't about the nissuin, although you're right that it was "out of the ordinary" for a woman to remain a virgin even after this point. Matthew's pointing this out to show that Mary remains a virgin at both the Annunciation and Christmas, thus fulfilling the prophecy.

@@shamelesspopery Thank you so much for your reply, Joe! It has given me much to ponder. Marriage customs are second only to how the birth narratives of Matthew and Luke fit together on my list of favorite research subjects in the Bible. I think Matthew and Luke are equally careful and a cohesive timeline of their accounts is certainly achievable. Your points on the formality of betrothal and centrality of the home-taking are well taken. However, two things remain. First, when dealing with betrothal, there is a historically common progression from betrothal to home-taking to physical consummation. Second, in the Judeo-Christian tradition a couple is considered husband and wife in a different sense at each stage with physical consummation being the apex. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” (Moses, Jesus, Paul) The Roman Church affirms as much and also presumes, as do Matthews and Luke, that after a marriage is celebrated, if spouses have lived together that consummation has occurred until proven otherwise. (Canon 1061.1-2) Happy New Year! Cheers, Jay

I strongly disagree. One should not take theology from a fictional movie. Mary was indeed SO holy and Joseph recognized this, so he remained chaste. They had what has become known as a "Josephite" marriage. He was her protector, also Jesus' protector. This was his providential role in salvation history. St. Joseph, terror of demons, pray for us!

@@mdwms6152 My post was not a statement of a theological position. It was a whimsical way of demonstrating the point in the video.

Name one

I just read an encyclical of Pope Leo X111 and I read one of the canons of the council of Trent, and what did I find, a contradiction.

​@@Wgaither1 I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest the problem may be in your interpretation.

@@Wgaither1 watch the video.

⁠@@JosephHeschmeyerhave you read every encyclical by every pope and the whole council of Trent to see if there are any?

According to the mystics, and a book, called the life of Mary, as seen by the mystics, she took a vow of virginity at a young age. That’s why she question a future conception happening, because she was betrothed to Joseph, and it would be assumed that they would have children, but she was confused probably because of that vow

I would think that all protestants know that they are all divided!

Nicely done!

Thank you! God bless and Merry Christmas!